Still waiting for the 18 foot Jayco Journey Outback to arrive and have decided the Pajero is going to be outgunned with the tow ball weight. The vans loaded weight is around 2600 kg and tow ball weight is 190kg unloaded so looking at grabbing a run out Isuzu MUX. My concern is the size of the fuel tank, its only 65 litres compared to 88 in the Pajero. I'm thinking it would need refueling under 400km, what can MUX owners tell me about consumption? Anyone use a long range tank?
Thanks
Rob
travelyounger said
12:32 PM Dec 25, 2020
Why not go with Toyota prado they might be a bit more expensive but you get 150 litre tank more gcm and a bullet proof vehicle .I have had the dmax since new and it has had its problems and as far as economy goes dont believe what that sticker says on the window unless you put no weight in it or drive with the wind behind you.The dmax has a 77 litre tank and I get around 350 to a tank towing 7 ton so would probably be close to the mux and your lighter van.Thats an average of 18 l per 100 km you can get a 130 litre tank for dmax but try arb for the mux
sandgrooper1 said
02:53 PM Dec 29, 2020
Me, I would go Isuzu than Prado based on sons experiences with a 2013 Prado. Had two Dmax Dual cabs over 11 years no problems ever with either.
You can fit an aftermarket fuel tank to a MUX in the region of 112 ltrs I think.
Total weight of Dmax and Van cannot exceed six tons loaded etc so no idea how seven tons is legal.
My Dmaxs towing a 21 ft van about 14 to 16 ltrs per 100"at 90 to 105 kmph.
I now have a Nissan Patrol and a bigger 22ft6 van on order because of the 6 ton limits I replaced the Dmax. The Patrol is 7 ton total.
Cheers AL
Greg 1 said
06:04 PM Dec 29, 2020
GCM of the 3 vehicles are
Prado 5990
MUX 5750
D Max 5950.
Not sure if it's just the way the post was written but 7 tonnes behind a D Max is not legal. The current Patrol does have a 7 tonne GCM.
Note. GCM upgrades are not legal in WA at last count. Certain GVM upgrades are.
yobarr said
06:23 PM Dec 29, 2020
Greg 1 wrote:
GCM of the 3 vehicles are Prado 5990 MUX 5750 D Max 5950. Not sure if it's just the way the post was written but 7 tonnes behind a D Max is not legal. The current Patrol does have a 7 tonne GCM. Note. GCM upgrades are not legal in WA at last count. Certain GVM upgrades are.
Hi Greg......The DMax is a far better bet than is the Prado or the Mux,because,as well as a higher GCM,it has a longer wheelbase,so is inherently MUCH more stable than the other two.Our forum member 'Travelyounger' (John) has managed to get his DMax upgraded to 7000kg GCM,and now has a car that is legal for 2150kg on its rear axle and 1450kg on its front axle (GVM 3600kg and 7000kg GCM)......this means that,assuming 10% towball weight,he is able,on paper, to legally run at 6650kg..... this is impossible,with actual maximum capacity being under 6500kg.Patrol cannot even do that because of 2030kg rear axle rating,and shorter wheelbase.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 29th of December 2020 06:58:18 PM
Greg 1 said
12:15 AM Dec 30, 2020
Yobarr, the numbers I have quoted are book numbers given by the manufacturer.
The GCM upgrade you speak of to the D Max is not legal in WA.
I know that it is acceptable in one or two States in the East but WA will only permit certain GVM upgrades.
Anyone entering WA with such a vehicle would have to make sure they are carrying their engineering paperwork, otherwise if pulled over, they might find themselves not going any further. WA police are pretty strict on the carriage of any paperwork to do with vehicle mods and exemptions.
You'll not get such a vehicle registered in this State under the current legislation. Whether that changes in the future remains to be seen.
travelyounger said
08:18 AM Dec 30, 2020
Greg 1 wrote:
GCM of the 3 vehicles are Prado 5990 MUX 5750 D Max 5950. Not sure if it's just the way the post was written but 7 tonnes behind a D Max is not legal. The current Patrol does have a 7 tonne GCM. Note. GCM upgrades are not legal in WA at last count. Certain GVM upgrades are.
Hi Greg
I would check with lovells suspension in WA on this upgrade as I have a very good friend from WA with WA plates who has the very same upgrade as I have in NSW 7.0 GCM and 3.6 GVM . His was done in second stage of manufacture but was done a few years ago and I am not sure if this is still allowed to be done by the state government.
Every state has there own rules which can be very confusing and would be much simpler if it was national.
Cheers
JackoFJR said
09:57 AM Dec 30, 2020
You cant legally get to the 7T GCM with the Patrol , I know the Nissan specs do say 7T but it is not possible legally .
yobarr said
01:08 PM Dec 30, 2020
JackoFJR wrote:
You cant legally get to the 7T GCM with the Patrol , I know the Nissan specs do say 7T but it is not possible legally .
Absolutely true Ron....Because of his higher rear axle rating,John (Travelyounger) can get to 6600kg with his upgraded DMax....once again assuming 10% towball weight and perfect loading.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 30th of December 2020 09:10:31 PM
Greg 1 said
01:33 PM Dec 30, 2020
Most manufacturers numbers are rubbery when you do the sums.
Like my Ranger. In any practical sense, it cannot tow 3500kgs.
Technically it can but you would have such little payload available in the vehicle it would give you enough for half a tank of fuel and a starving refugee for a driver.
Most vehicles seem to have hidden limitations when you examined them so you can't go on what the salesman or the adverts say.
yobarr said
01:46 PM Dec 30, 2020
Greg 1 wrote:
Most manufacturers numbers are rubbery when you do the sums. Like my Ranger. In any practical sense, it cannot tow 3500kgs. Technically it can but you would have such little payload available in the vehicle it would give you enough for half a tank of fuel and a starving refugee for a driver. Most vehicles seem to have hidden limitations when you examined them so you can't go on what the salesman or the adverts say.
Hi Greg...Great post! The sooner people wake up to this,and learn about their weights,the safer we all will be. Cars such as yours are not able to safely tow more than about 3100kg as a PIG trailer.But if you chose to tow a 3500kg van,with the generally accepted 10% towball weight and absolutely perfect loading,you would then have a van with GTM of 3150kg behind a car with weight on wheels of no more than 2850kg.....an accident looking for a place to happen.Because we have agreed to disagree,I will make no comment on trying to sort this with a WDH! Hope all goes well for you in the New Year.Cheers
travelyounger said
02:14 PM Dec 30, 2020
Greg 1 wrote:
Most manufacturers numbers are rubbery when you do the sums. Like my Ranger. In any practical sense, it cannot tow 3500kgs. Technically it can but you would have such little payload available in the vehicle it would give you enough for half a tank of fuel and a starving refugee for a driver. Most vehicles seem to have hidden limitations when you examined them so you can't go on what the salesman or the adverts say.
Yes how about this for a sale a mate of mine put a deposit on a van with a tare of 2350 kg ball weight 145 kg and he said what are you towing with he said Ford Territory .Dealer said not a problem and continued with the sale .Well with a GCM of 4850 kg and a payload of 550 kg yes technically it will get you home but when you put approximately 400 kg in van two people and 70 litres of fuel and a ball weight of 200 plus you would be well over 5000 kg and overloaded , a bit of ignorance on both sides but the dealer selling to someone who is unaware of weights should let the buyer more aware of the legalitys of weights after leaving the yard.
Cheers
Greg 1 said
02:21 PM Dec 30, 2020
At last count, WA definitely do not allow GCM upgrades. What happened some years ago is a different matter.
GCM figures placed on vehicles are done for a variety of reasons and it is not just the springs and axle loadings.
Ford for one do testing up and down stiff climbs with the maximum weight behind the vehicle to test cooling systems, engines and powertrains.
The numbers they arrive at are a result of this testing.
No Lovell GCM upgrade is going to change the complete engine, cooling system and powertrain to boost these to handle another tonne, regardless what they claim.
If you need to do that buy a bigger vehicle.
Ram Man said
04:13 PM Dec 30, 2020
HI Rob,
You should be able to find a larger Fuel Tank Diesel is 880grams to the litre just remember to subtract your current tank and add the weight of the new tank to your GVM,
As for all the GVM upgrades wouldn't you think if it was that easy, to change springs, Shocks and Tyres the engineers would have do that. If your thinking of that. Keep this in mind Warranty, if you overload the vehicle over the manufacturer's specifications and your in the middle of Kick A Can Along and break down drop a trannie or turbo guess what the Dealership will say?
The Ball weight is 190kg unloaded, what is it loaded? you only have 608kg payload and 190Kg is gone with the trailer so your at 418Kg less the Tow bar say 28kg so probably 390Kg minus another 58Kg for the extra Fuel and 10kg for the ARB bigger Tank, so your Payload is now abouts 322Kg then you & the Mrs plus the dog if you have one. Are you fitting Lights, Bullbar or UHF ect, I forgot the Van does the weight of 2600Kg included Filled Gas bottles, Water Tanks full, Solar Panels, Spare Wheel and Jack just asking because you have a 3000kg maximum tow limit on the MUX.
I just hope you looked at all this because some people don't and the last thing you need is to grounded by the RMS Scallies because your overweight.
Ram Man said
04:57 PM Dec 30, 2020
Hi Rob,
I have a spanner for you, just checked out Fords Everest Ambiente 3.2L Diesel RWD / 4WD and you don't get 3rd row seats but your payload is 716kg so 108 more than Mux.
Fords GVM is 3100kg and CVM of 5800kg plus towing is still 3000kg braked but you do get a 80 Ltr fuel tank.
The Ford has bigger ponies 147Kw and torque 470Nm also but you could look at the 2.2 litre and ask for the 3rd seat to be removed don't know if they'd do that.
Service Cost is $299 for 4 years/60,000km and 5 year unlimited warranty so you drive the pants of it, just a thought.
Dougwe said
05:10 PM Dec 30, 2020
Oh no, not weights again. You are a game man Ram Man
Ram Man said
05:45 PM Dec 30, 2020
You gotta just love weights and stuff I mean they're so much fun , just read a thread about a Weight Stabilizing Hitch and how the Van starts sway when being passed by Trucks It was awesome.
I was going to comment with Bernoulli effect, I thought that was enough.
JackoFJR said
05:56 PM Dec 30, 2020
yobarr wrote:
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Absolutely true Ron....the best you can do on a series 4 Y62,assuming 10% towball weight,is 6360kg. However,again with 10% towball weight,the series 5 is good for 6490kg assuming absolutely perfect axle loadings.Because of his higher rear axle rating,John (Travelyounger) can get to 6600kg with his upgraded DMax....once again assuming 10% towball weight and perfect loading.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 30th of December 2020 01:47:24 PM
yobarr you are referring to the GVM reduction sticker attached to the S4 and earlier Y62's , even the first S5's had that sticker . The way I read that sticker in the door of my Y62 is I can load my tow bar to 350Kg regardless of what that bloody sticker says because it clearly says
" The table above is a GUIDE ONLY . Do not exceed the Maximum Permissible Rear Axle Load " ,
Max axle loads are the exactly the same for all series Y62's . So I read that as if I had a Van that was 3.5T and a ball weight of 350KG , I then have a GCM of 6650Kg because the Patrol can only weigh 3150KG before the load is placed on the ball , providing no axle weight are exceeded and that's a different story . Anyway it doesn't matter to me , we only tow a Camper with ball weight of 180Kg . Toyota do the same with the 200 series and probably some others , just add the max GVM and max Tow for a GCM of 6850Kg not possible legally either .
yobarr said
07:18 PM Dec 30, 2020
JackoFJR wrote:
yobarr wrote:
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Absolutely true Ron....the best you can do on a series 4 Y62,assuming 10% towball weight,is 6360kg. However,again with 10% towball weight,the series 5 is good for 6490kg assuming absolutely perfect axle loadings.Because of his higher rear axle rating,John (Travelyounger) can get to 6600kg with his upgraded DMax....once again assuming 10% towball weight and perfect loading.Cheers
yobarr you are referring to the GVM reduction sticker attached to the S4 and earlier Y62's , even the first S5's had that sticker . The way I read that sticker in the door of my Y62 is I can load my tow bar to 350Kg regardless of what that bloody sticker says because it clearly says
" The table above is a GUIDE ONLY . Do not exceed the Maximum Permissible Rear Axle Load " ,
Max axle loads are the exactly the same for all series Y62's . So I read that as if I had a Van that was 3.5T and a ball weight of 350KG , I then have a GCM of 6650Kg because the Patrol can only weigh 3150KG before the load is placed on the ball , providing no axle weight are exceeded and that's a different story . Anyway it doesn't matter to me , we only tow a Camper with ball weight of 180Kg . Toyota do the same with the 200 series and probably some others , just add the max GVM and max Tow for a GCM of 6850Kg not possible legally either .
Hi Ron...as far as I can determine,the series 4 has its GVM gradually reduced,depending on towball weight.Always you can have 350kg towball weight,but by doing so you suffer a 130kg reduction in your GVM,back to 3370kg.Rear axle of this car is a miserable 2030kg,which immediately creates problems, as front axle is rated at only 1650kg.The car thus has a GVM of only 3370kg,which includes the 350kg towball weight.However,the 350kg towball weight takes around 160kg OFF the car's front axle,and transfers it to the rear axle.This weight can NEVER be returned to the front axle,using a WDH,without exceeding your van's 3500kg ATM! Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 31st of December 2020 10:26:25 AM
yobarr said
12:09 PM Dec 31, 2020
Greg 1 wrote:
GCM of the 3 vehicles are Prado 5990 MUX 5750 D Max 5950. Not sure if it's just the way the post was written but 7 tonnes behind a D Max is not legal. The current Patrol does have a 7 tonne GCM. Note. GCM upgrades are not legal in WA at last count. Certain GVM upgrades are.
Hi Greg...just found this on Lovells site.Dated 2020,but perhaps no longer relevant? May be worth a look though? Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 31st of December 2020 12:12:09 PM
If you read that advert carefully yobarr you will note that they list the GCM upgrade under Federal compliance.
If you page down further, it lists State compliance and only shows GVM upgrades no GCM upgrades.
WA at present, do not accept GCM upgrades as there is no proper testing regime for these whereas there is for GVM upgrades.
The Federal government have washed their hands of the whole thing and referred it to the States, hence why we have the current shemozzle.
We have exactly the same situation when it comes to registration of Individually Constructed Vehicles such as the little car in my avatar. Each State has it's own ideas with WA being the best of them and NSW the worst with the others somewhere in the middle.
It really is time that all licensing was taken out of States hands and handled centrally by the Federal Government.
Radar said
12:02 AM Jan 1, 2021
Sawtellrob wrote:
Hi all
Still waiting for the 18 foot Jayco Journey Outback to arrive and have decided the Pajero is going to be outgunned with the tow ball weight. The vans loaded weight is around 2600 kg and tow ball weight is 190kg unloaded so looking at grabbing a run out Isuzu MUX. My concern is the size of the fuel tank, its only 65 litres compared to 88 in the Pajero. I'm thinking it would need refueling under 400km, what can MUX owners tell me about consumption? Anyone use a long range tank?
Thanks
Rob
I think the orignal question has been lost to the overweight brigade.
Yes, I have a after market long range tank.
I have a Nissan Navara ute and did the long range 2 years after purchasing it, should of did it the week after driving it away from the showroom. Saves a lot of hassle when touring of which we do with a couple anights here and there over a 6/8 week run.
I have ridden in both vehicles, old and new, the older Pajero would be hard to beat, maybe the idea would be to look at bringing it up to spec to do the job.
Greg 1 said
01:26 AM Jan 1, 2021
The Pajero will not deal with the van in question because over 2500kgs the Paj has a tow ball weight limit of 180kgs.
The van goes 2600kgs and empty has a ball weight of 190kgs so already the Paj is illegal towing that van without it being loaded.
The Pajero is a good vehicle but limited to 2500kgs in any practical sense.
Ram Man said
04:38 PM Jan 1, 2021
Hi Greg,
Thought you might be interested in some Warranty Terms & Conditions from various Vehicle Manufacturers.
Nissan Warranty Terms and Conditions:
Misuse, such as driving over kerbs, overloading, racing, etc.
Use of non-recommended, improper or dirty fuel, fluid, oil or lubricant.
Failure to perform proper maintenance services as outlined in the OWNER'S MANUAL and the MAINTENANCE SECTION of the booklet.
Alterations, tampering or improper repairs or servicing.
Unauthorized modifications or use of any non "Genuine NISSAN" parts accessories or equipment.
Ford Warranty says:
Exceeding operating or Capacity limitations for the Vehicle as specified by Ford in the use and operation of the Vehicle in the use and operation of the Vehicle.
In this regard, overloading the Vehicle, using it on obviously unsuitable terrain or
surfaces are instances, but not the only instances, of abnormal or improper use or
operation which could cause or result in the failure of a Part and lead to a rejection
of a claim in connection with such Part under the Ford Vehicle Warranty. A claim
under the Ford Vehicle Warranty will also be rejected if a Modification (other than a Modification made by, made by, or at the direction of, Ford) is made to the Vehicle by, or
for you and such Modification adversely affects the Performance / Compliance
of the Part in respect of which such claim is made. In this regard the use of a part,
component, assembly, equipment or accessory not supplied or approved by Ford
will be regarded as a Modification and may lead to the rejection of a claim under the
Ford Vehicle Warranty if the use of such part, component, assembly, equipment or
accessory adversely affects the Performance / Compliance of a Part in respect of
which a claim is made under the Ford Vehicle Warrant.
Isuzu Warranty isn't available online but they do say:
Items or work required as a result of vehicle misuse or abuse or as a result of the vehicle not being driven in accordance with the manufacturer's specifications and guidelines;
So all these GVM upgrades exceed the manufacturer's specifications, so you just blow your warranty out the door and Toyota's the same modify and overload Zip Warranty.
Further you won't have a leg to stand on because you exceeded the Manufacterur's specifications.
Greg 1 said
06:23 PM Jan 1, 2021
Yes very good point which I agree with 100%
I asked before, how can you do a GCM upgrade giving a vehicle another tonne of capacity without upgrading the entire powertrain brakes and engine and expect it to perform as it should is beyond me.
If Ford, Toyota, Nissan Isuzu etc all believed that their vehicles could safely do those numbers, don't you think they would be trumpeting that from the rooftops. They would be selling suspension upgrades as an option and loving it.
I wonder how far Lovells would cover you if you blew a trannie or an engine towing that load they upgraded to. You will be on your pat malone I can tell you.
travelyounger said
06:33 AM Jan 3, 2021
Greg 1 wrote:
Yes very good point which I agree with 100% I asked before, how can you do a GCM upgrade giving a vehicle another tonne of capacity without upgrading the entire powertrain brakes and engine and expect it to perform as it should is beyond me. If Ford, Toyota, Nissan Isuzu etc all believed that their vehicles could safely do those numbers, don't you think they would be trumpeting that from the rooftops. They would be selling suspension upgrades as an option and loving it. I wonder how far Lovells would cover you if you blew a trannie or an engine towing that load they upgraded to. You will be on your pat malone I can tell you.
Hi
Why would you disclose to the service centre what your towing weight is its really none of there business you pay for there overpriced services so you should expect no major problems even if towing a bit of extra weight and when the warranty is over its on you so be it
cheers
yobarr said
08:28 AM Jan 3, 2021
travelyounger wrote:
Greg 1 wrote:
Yes very good point which I agree with 100% I asked before, how can you do a GCM upgrade giving a vehicle another tonne of capacity without upgrading the entire powertrain brakes and engine and expect it to perform as it should is beyond me. If Ford, Toyota, Nissan Isuzu etc all believed that their vehicles could safely do those numbers, don't you think they would be trumpeting that from the rooftops. They would be selling suspension upgrades as an option and loving it. I wonder how far Lovells would cover you if you blew a trannie or an engine towing that load they upgraded to. You will be on your pat malone I can tell you.
Hi
Why would you disclose to the service centre what your towing weight is its really none of there business you pay for there overpriced services so you should expect no major problems even if towing a bit of extra weight and when the warranty is over its on you so be it
cheers
Hi John....do you not think that the shiny new GVM compliance plate under the bonnet could arouse suspicion? Surely money would not be spent on a GCM upgrade,which would include a GVM upgrade,if they intended only to tow a 750kg box trailer? Just wondering.Cheers
travelyounger said
09:38 AM Jan 3, 2021
yobarr wrote:
travelyounger wrote:
Greg 1 wrote:
Yes very good point which I agree with 100% I asked before, how can you do a GCM upgrade giving a vehicle another tonne of capacity without upgrading the entire powertrain brakes and engine and expect it to perform as it should is beyond me. If Ford, Toyota, Nissan Isuzu etc all believed that their vehicles could safely do those numbers, don't you think they would be trumpeting that from the rooftops. They would be selling suspension upgrades as an option and loving it. I wonder how far Lovells would cover you if you blew a trannie or an engine towing that load they upgraded to. You will be on your pat malone I can tell you.
Hi
Why would you disclose to the service centre what your towing weight is its really none of there business you pay for there overpriced services so you should expect no major problems even if towing a bit of extra weight and when the warranty is over its on you so be it
cheers
Hi John....do you not think that the shiny new GVM compliance plate under the bonnet could arouse suspicion? Surely money would not be spent on a GCM upgrade,which would include a GVM upgrade,if they intended only to tow a 750kg box trailer? Just wondering.Cheers
Hi Chris
The plate is at the door and I have had a turbo replaced by Isuzu under warranty no questions were asked about upgrade and never have been at any service maybe other brands are more subject to scrutiny
cheers
Greg 1 said
12:02 PM Jan 3, 2021
Having worked in the automotive trade in service divisions, I can tell you that you were very fortunate to get your turbo done under warranty on a modified vehicle.
Most manufacturers make it very plain in their warranties that if you have modified the vehicle and are exceeding the manufacturers stated capacities for that vehicle, your warranty may well be null and void.
It is very much their business. They have warranted that vehicle to do a certain job for a certain time frame. If you come along and decide that your vehicle can be modified to do more than the job that the manufacturer intended, why should they continue to cover your warranty.
travelyounger said
05:31 PM Jan 3, 2021
Greg 1 wrote:
Having worked in the automotive trade in service divisions, I can tell you that you were very fortunate to get your turbo done under warranty on a modified vehicle. Most manufacturers make it very plain in their warranties that if you have modified the vehicle and are exceeding the manufacturers stated capacities for that vehicle, your warranty may well be null and void. It is very much their business. They have warranted that vehicle to do a certain job for a certain time frame. If you come along and decide that your vehicle can be modified to do more than the job that the manufacturer intended, why should they continue to cover your warranty.
Oh well Greg I must be lucky I only have 15000 km left of warranty so I will be on my lonesome soon
note the car is also having warranty on the evaporator which has failed they also never mentioned the gvm or gcm upgrade maybe your confused and thinking of chips or remapping of engine which might not cover engine and transmission failures
Hi all
Still waiting for the 18 foot Jayco Journey Outback to arrive and have decided the Pajero is going to be outgunned with the tow ball weight. The vans loaded weight is around 2600 kg and tow ball weight is 190kg unloaded so looking at grabbing a run out Isuzu MUX. My concern is the size of the fuel tank, its only 65 litres compared to 88 in the Pajero. I'm thinking it would need refueling under 400km, what can MUX owners tell me about consumption? Anyone use a long range tank?
Thanks
Rob
Me, I would go Isuzu than Prado based on sons experiences with a 2013 Prado. Had two Dmax Dual cabs over 11 years no problems ever with either.
You can fit an aftermarket fuel tank to a MUX in the region of 112 ltrs I think.
Total weight of Dmax and Van cannot exceed six tons loaded etc so no idea how seven tons is legal.
My Dmaxs towing a 21 ft van about 14 to 16 ltrs per 100"at 90 to 105 kmph.
I now have a Nissan Patrol and a bigger 22ft6 van on order because of the 6 ton limits I replaced the Dmax. The Patrol is 7 ton total.
Cheers AL
Hi Greg......The DMax is a far better bet than is the Prado or the Mux,because,as well as a higher GCM,it has a longer wheelbase,so is inherently MUCH more stable than the other two.Our forum member 'Travelyounger' (John) has managed to get his DMax upgraded to 7000kg GCM,and now has a car that is legal for 2150kg on its rear axle and 1450kg on its front axle (GVM 3600kg and 7000kg GCM)......this means that,assuming 10% towball weight,he is able,on paper, to legally run at 6650kg..... this is impossible,with actual maximum capacity being under 6500kg.Patrol cannot even do that because of 2030kg rear axle rating,and shorter wheelbase.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 29th of December 2020 06:58:18 PM
Hi Greg
I would check with lovells suspension in WA on this upgrade as I have a very good friend from WA with WA plates who has the very same upgrade as I have in NSW 7.0 GCM and 3.6 GVM . His was done in second stage of manufacture but was done a few years ago and I am not sure if this is still allowed to be done by the state government.
Every state has there own rules which can be very confusing and would be much simpler if it was national.
Cheers
Absolutely true Ron....Because of his higher rear axle rating,John (Travelyounger) can get to 6600kg with his upgraded DMax....once again assuming 10% towball weight and perfect loading.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 30th of December 2020 09:10:31 PM
Hi Greg...Great post! The sooner people wake up to this,and learn about their weights,the safer we all will be. Cars such as yours are not able to safely tow more than about 3100kg as a PIG trailer.But if you chose to tow a 3500kg van,with the generally accepted 10% towball weight and absolutely perfect loading,you would then have a van with GTM of 3150kg behind a car with weight on wheels of no more than 2850kg.....an accident looking for a place to happen.Because we have agreed to disagree,I will make no comment on trying to sort this with a WDH! Hope all goes well for you in the New Year.Cheers
Yes how about this for a sale a mate of mine put a deposit on a van with a tare of 2350 kg ball weight 145 kg and he said what are you towing with he said Ford Territory .Dealer said not a problem and continued with the sale .Well with a GCM of 4850 kg and a payload of 550 kg yes technically it will get you home but when you put approximately 400 kg in van two people and 70 litres of fuel and a ball weight of 200 plus you would be well over 5000 kg and overloaded , a bit of ignorance on both sides but the dealer selling to someone who is unaware of weights should let the buyer more aware of the legalitys of weights after leaving the yard.
Cheers
You should be able to find a larger Fuel Tank Diesel is 880grams to the litre just remember to subtract your current tank and add the weight of the new tank to your GVM,
As for all the GVM upgrades wouldn't you think if it was that easy, to change springs, Shocks and Tyres the engineers would have do that. If your thinking of that. Keep this in mind Warranty, if you overload the vehicle over the manufacturer's specifications and your in the middle of Kick A Can Along and break down drop a trannie or turbo guess what the Dealership will say?
The Ball weight is 190kg unloaded, what is it loaded? you only have 608kg payload and 190Kg is gone with the trailer so your at 418Kg less the Tow bar say 28kg so probably 390Kg minus another 58Kg for the extra Fuel and 10kg for the ARB bigger Tank, so your Payload is now abouts 322Kg then you & the Mrs plus the dog if you have one. Are you fitting Lights, Bullbar or UHF ect, I forgot the Van does the weight of 2600Kg included Filled Gas bottles, Water Tanks full, Solar Panels, Spare Wheel and Jack just asking because you have a 3000kg maximum tow limit on the MUX.
I just hope you looked at all this because some people don't and the last thing you need is to grounded by the RMS Scallies because your overweight.
I have a spanner for you, just checked out Fords Everest Ambiente 3.2L Diesel RWD / 4WD and you don't get 3rd row seats but your payload is 716kg so 108 more than Mux.
Fords GVM is 3100kg and CVM of 5800kg plus towing is still 3000kg braked but you do get a 80 Ltr fuel tank.
The Ford has bigger ponies 147Kw and torque 470Nm also but you could look at the 2.2 litre and ask for the 3rd seat to be removed don't know if they'd do that.
Service Cost is $299 for 4 years/60,000km and 5 year unlimited warranty so you drive the pants of it, just a thought.
Oh no, not weights again. You are a game man Ram Man
You gotta just love weights and stuff I mean they're so much fun
, just read a thread about a Weight Stabilizing Hitch and how the Van starts sway when being passed by Trucks It was awesome.
I was going to comment with Bernoulli effect, I thought that was enough.
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Hi Ron...as far as I can determine,the series 4 has its GVM gradually reduced,depending on towball weight.Always you can have 350kg towball weight,but by doing so you suffer a 130kg reduction in your GVM,back to 3370kg.Rear axle of this car is a miserable 2030kg,which immediately creates problems, as front axle is rated at only 1650kg.The car thus has a GVM of only 3370kg,which includes the 350kg towball weight.However,the 350kg towball weight takes around 160kg OFF the car's front axle,and transfers it to the rear axle.This weight can NEVER be returned to the front axle,using a WDH,without exceeding your van's 3500kg ATM! Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 31st of December 2020 10:26:25 AM
Hi Greg...just found this on Lovells site.Dated 2020,but perhaps no longer relevant? May be worth a look though? Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 31st of December 2020 12:12:09 PM
I think the orignal question has been lost to the overweight brigade.
Yes, I have a after market long range tank.
I have a Nissan Navara ute and did the long range 2 years after purchasing it, should of did it the week after driving it away from the showroom. Saves a lot of hassle when touring of which we do with a couple anights here and there over a 6/8 week run.
I have ridden in both vehicles, old and new, the older Pajero would be hard to beat, maybe the idea would be to look at bringing it up to spec to do the job.
Hi Greg,
Thought you might be interested in some Warranty Terms & Conditions from various Vehicle Manufacturers.
Nissan Warranty Terms and Conditions:
Misuse, such as driving over kerbs, overloading, racing, etc.
Use of non-recommended, improper or dirty fuel, fluid, oil or lubricant.
Failure to perform proper maintenance services as outlined in the OWNER'S MANUAL and the MAINTENANCE SECTION of the booklet.
Alterations, tampering or improper repairs or servicing.
Unauthorized modifications or use of any non "Genuine NISSAN" parts accessories or equipment.
Ford Warranty says:
Exceeding operating or Capacity limitations for the Vehicle as specified by Ford in the use and operation of the Vehicle in the use and operation of the Vehicle.
In this regard, overloading the Vehicle, using it on obviously unsuitable terrain or
surfaces are instances, but not the only instances, of abnormal or improper use or
operation which could cause or result in the failure of a Part and lead to a rejection
of a claim in connection with such Part under the Ford Vehicle Warranty. A claim
under the Ford Vehicle Warranty will also be rejected if a Modification (other than a Modification made by, made by, or at the direction of, Ford) is made to the Vehicle by, or
for you and such Modification adversely affects the Performance / Compliance
of the Part in respect of which such claim is made. In this regard the use of a part,
component, assembly, equipment or accessory not supplied or approved by Ford
will be regarded as a Modification and may lead to the rejection of a claim under the
Ford Vehicle Warranty if the use of such part, component, assembly, equipment or
accessory adversely affects the Performance / Compliance of a Part in respect of
which a claim is made under the Ford Vehicle Warrant.
Isuzu Warranty isn't available online but they do say:
Items or work required as a result of vehicle misuse or abuse or as a result of the vehicle not being driven in accordance with the manufacturer's specifications and guidelines;
So all these GVM upgrades exceed the manufacturer's specifications, so you just blow your warranty out the door and Toyota's the same modify and overload Zip Warranty.
Further you won't have a leg to stand on because you exceeded the Manufacterur's specifications.
Hi
Why would you disclose to the service centre what your towing weight is its really none of there business you pay for there overpriced services so you should expect no major problems even if towing a bit of extra weight and when the warranty is over its on you so be it
cheers
Hi John....do you not think that the shiny new GVM compliance plate under the bonnet could arouse suspicion? Surely money would not be spent on a GCM upgrade,which would include a GVM upgrade,if they intended only to tow a 750kg box trailer? Just wondering.Cheers
Hi Chris
The plate is at the door and I have had a turbo replaced by Isuzu under warranty no questions were asked about upgrade and never have been at any service maybe other brands are more subject to scrutiny
cheers
Oh well Greg I must be lucky I only have 15000 km left of warranty so I will be on my lonesome soon
note the car is also having warranty on the evaporator which has failed they also never mentioned the gvm or gcm upgrade maybe your confused and thinking of chips or remapping of engine which might not cover engine and transmission failures
cheers john