A week or so else where in this forum several people commented on 'feral' kids running wild through caravan parks, in particular showing no regard for privacies of caravan sites.
Some 15 or so years ago my daughter was an active horse lover and took her horse to different meets around the country. At some of the meets there were people who had put up temporary corrals to keep their horses in. They used plastic 'posts' and strung either cord, thin rope or tape through loops in the posts.
Last week we were staying in the caravan park at Crookwell, NSW and went to a local hardware store and just by the door were packs of five what were called 'Multi-wire Ring Top Post(s),' made by Gallagher. Unfortunately, they were metal and quite heavy.
Back home a little research found the plastic type posts on Ebay; called 'Strip Graze Poly Tread-In Posts.' While only available in packs of 20, prices range from $70 up plus shipping. To use simply put your foot on a bracket near the bottom and push down. Then thread cord, thin rope or tape through the half dozen rings and there you have a nice fence. When ready to move on, simply pull the posts from the ground.
Might be the answer to keeping kids - and ignorant adults - from treating others sites as public thoroughfares.
Murray
2weis said
11:59 AM Feb 20, 2021
also called "stand offs" and the plastic ones are great for putting battery operated electric fences up Brian
Long Weekend said
12:04 PM Feb 20, 2021
Yes, Brian - the electric fence option is mentioned. But electrifying the fences might be a bit too much to use on kids!
Murray
-- Edited by Long Weekend on Saturday 20th of February 2021 05:06:15 PM
Mike Harding said
01:12 PM Feb 20, 2021
Shotgun.
Long Weekend said
01:40 PM Feb 20, 2021
Of course, I guess that putting mesh or netting around the bottom of the posts would make a great dog pen as well.
Murray
bgt said
03:35 PM Feb 20, 2021
Daughter and son in law are both teachers. Secondary. I have offered on several occasions to buy them cattle prods.
peter67 said
06:27 PM Feb 20, 2021
As i'm about to head off on a trip around WA i was worried a little about security at night in particular and considered a few options. I have a hyundai van with a built in cargo steel mesh divider which i would like to keep in case of an accident, having this in prevents me from driving away at night without exiting the vehicle first so...although i don't wish to overly harm someone trying to break into my van i do need them to step back a bit and think i will settle for mace in a can to be used as a last resort, some people have also suggested a trigger can hornet spray from bunnings.
Plain Truth said
07:29 PM Feb 20, 2021
Stop worrying,enjoy your trip.
Dougwe said
08:07 PM Feb 20, 2021
peter67 wrote:
As i'm about to head off on a trip around WA i was worried a little about security at night in particular and considered a few options. I have a hyundai van with a built in cargo steel mesh divider which i would like to keep in case of an accident, having this in prevents me from driving away at night without exiting the vehicle first so...although i don't wish to overly harm someone trying to break into my van i do need them to step back a bit and think i will settle for mace in a can to be used as a last resort, some people have also suggested a trigger can hornet spray from bunnings.
Just enjoy your trip Peter. The only thing I would suggest is, don't start talking to anyone called Mick who drives a blue ute.
landy said
10:07 PM Feb 20, 2021
peter67 wrote:
As i'm about to head off on a trip around WA i was worried a little about security at night in particular and considered a few options. I have a hyundai van with a built in cargo steel mesh divider which i would like to keep in case of an accident, having this in prevents me from driving away at night without exiting the vehicle first so...although i don't wish to overly harm someone trying to break into my van i do need them to step back a bit and think i will settle for mace in a can to be used as a last resort, some people have also suggested a trigger can hornet spray from bunnings.
If you find some mace better not tell any one. Its illegal in Australia I believe. Hence the wasp spray.
Warren-Pat_01 said
10:25 PM Feb 20, 2021
Murray, Mike & bqt,
Could we use your solutions to control the out of control kids in Townsville who insist on breaking into houses (with tools borrowed from Bunnings) & flogging cars? No, the govt says locking them up, any form of punishment is too harsh.
Beware everyone because while most cities in Qld have the problem, Townsville is by far the worst and its people are getting angry, demanding action!
Keep your keys & valuables in a secure location & be careful when driving on the roads, you're not assured that you won't meet a car full of kids driving on the wrong side of the road at speed.
The most popular cars being pinched are VE Commodores, Toyota Corollas, Hiluxes, Ford Rangers - all automatics.
Mike Harding said
08:41 AM Feb 21, 2021
Warren-Pat_01 wrote:
The most popular cars being pinched are VE Commodores
At least they'll have an accurate reading of their speed - I wrote the software for it :)
travelyounger said
08:59 AM Feb 21, 2021
landy wrote:
peter67 wrote:
As i'm about to head off on a trip around WA i was worried a little about security at night in particular and considered a few options. I have a hyundai van with a built in cargo steel mesh divider which i would like to keep in case of an accident, having this in prevents me from driving away at night without exiting the vehicle first so...although i don't wish to overly harm someone trying to break into my van i do need them to step back a bit and think i will settle for mace in a can to be used as a last resort, some people have also suggested a trigger can hornet spray from bunnings.
If you find some mace better not tell any one. Its illegal in Australia I believe. Hence the wasp spray.
We have never had a problem while travelling but most incidents occur involving alcohol which some people leave there eskies and bottles of spirits out on display.Then come sleep time is when they are robbed mainly after the grog and anything of value.
Cheers
the rocket said
11:04 AM Feb 22, 2021
travelyounger wrote:
landy wrote:
peter67 wrote:
As i'm about to head off on a trip around WA i was worried a little about security at night in particular and considered a few options. I have a hyundai van with a built in cargo steel mesh divider which i would like to keep in case of an accident, having this in prevents me from driving away at night without exiting the vehicle first so...although i don't wish to overly harm someone trying to break into my van i do need them to step back a bit and think i will settle for mace in a can to be used as a last resort, some people have also suggested a trigger can hornet spray from bunnings.
If you find some mace better not tell any one. Its illegal in Australia I believe. Hence the wasp spray.
We have never had a problem while travelling but most incidents occur involving alcohol which some people leave there eskies and bottles of spirits out on display.Then come sleep time is when they are robbed mainly after the grog and anything of value.
Cheers
At a festival not long ago. Neighbours Scotch bottle was stollen, so next night neighbours filled an empty scotch bottle with pee and put in same place. Sure enough, on return home, the bottle was gone. After that, nothing further was taken.
Aussie1 said
06:38 PM Feb 25, 2021
travelyounger wrote:
landy wrote:
peter67 wrote:
As i'm about to head off on a trip around WA i was worried a little about security at night in particular and considered a few options. I have a hyundai van with a built in cargo steel mesh divider which i would like to keep in case of an accident, having this in prevents me from driving away at night without exiting the vehicle first so...although i don't wish to overly harm someone trying to break into my van i do need them to step back a bit and think i will settle for mace in a can to be used as a last resort, some people have also suggested a trigger can hornet spray from bunnings.
If you find some mace better not tell any one. Its illegal in Australia I believe. Hence the wasp spray.
We have never had a problem while travelling but most incidents occur involving alcohol which some people leave there eskies and bottles of spirits out on display.Then come sleep time is when they are robbed mainly after the grog and anything of value.
Cheers
Not quite correct re illegal in Australia peter67. Western Australia is different to the rest of Australia in regards to the legalities of carrying pepper spray. I understand it is considered a controlled weapon in WA unlike all other states. Perhaps for clarification you may like to check with WA authorities. ps. I carry pepper spray in WA. Hope you enjoy your travels here in WA .I purchased them online from a company called Guardian Defense here in Perth. Take a look at their web site.
-- Edited by Aussie1 on Thursday 25th of February 2021 06:42:59 PM
JayDee said
07:07 PM Feb 25, 2021
Back on the subject matter.
My view is
Let kids be kids.
We all had a fun time enjoying our childhood.
Well anyway, I certainly did.
Plus I have witnessed 9 of our grandkids having a ball in their early years.
Jay&Dee
peter67 said
07:23 PM Feb 25, 2021
Thank you aussie1 cheers
mark and kerry said
07:22 AM Feb 26, 2021
Play Frank Sinatra loud some shopping center did that and the kids stayed away in droves
Long Weekend said
09:57 AM Feb 26, 2021
Not sure about 'ole blue eyes' but down in Geelong there was a courtyard in the town center that was a gathering place for groups of young people who often caused trouble.
The Town council set up speakers and played classical music all day and night. Result - only oldies gathered there.
Murray
landy said
07:49 PM Feb 26, 2021
Aussie1 wrote:
travelyounger wrote:
landy wrote:
peter67 wrote:
As i'm about to head off on a trip around WA i was worried a little about security at night in particular and considered a few options. I have a hyundai van with a built in cargo steel mesh divider which i would like to keep in case of an accident, having this in prevents me from driving away at night without exiting the vehicle first so...although i don't wish to overly harm someone trying to break into my van i do need them to step back a bit and think i will settle for mace in a can to be used as a last resort, some people have also suggested a trigger can hornet spray from bunnings.
If you find some mace better not tell any one. Its illegal in Australia I believe. Hence the wasp spray.
We have never had a problem while travelling but most incidents occur involving alcohol which some people leave there eskies and bottles of spirits out on display.Then come sleep time is when they are robbed mainly after the grog and anything of value.
Cheers
Not quite correct re illegal in Australia peter67. Western Australia is different to the rest of Australia in regards to the legalities of carrying pepper spray. I understand it is considered a controlled weapon in WA unlike all other states. Perhaps for clarification you may like to check with WA authorities. ps. I carry pepper spray in WA. Hope you enjoy your travels here in WA .I purchased them online from a company called Guardian Defense here in Perth. Take a look at their web site.
-- Edited by Aussie1 on Thursday 25th of February 2021 06:42:59 PM
Thanks Aussie1 You learn something new every day. Personally I think it should be legal in all states.
dorian said
06:49 AM Feb 27, 2021
mark and kerry wrote:
Play Frank Sinatra loud some shopping center did that and the kids stayed away in droves
I was sitting in a doctor's surgery and had to listen to Dean Martin crooning through two nearby speakers for 45 minutes. I now know the meaning of "killing me softly with his song".
Santa said
09:02 AM Feb 27, 2021
dorian wrote:
mark and kerry wrote:
Play Frank Sinatra loud some shopping center did that and the kids stayed away in droves
I was sitting in a doctor's surgery and had to listen to Dean Martin crooning through two nearby speakers for 45 minutes. I now know the meaning of "killing me softly with his song".
Tell us a little about your music preferences dorian.
dorian said
10:11 AM Feb 27, 2021
Santa wrote:
dorian wrote:
mark and kerry wrote:
Play Frank Sinatra loud some shopping center did that and the kids stayed away in droves
I was sitting in a doctor's surgery and had to listen to Dean Martin crooning through two nearby speakers for 45 minutes. I now know the meaning of "killing me softly with his song".
Tell us a little about your music preferences dorian.
The only music that helps to prevent the outside world from robbing me of the little sanity that I have left is chillout music. I'm currently in a race to the bottom -- will I lose my sanity before it comes time to bury my parents? That's my situation in a nutshell. I hope you're having a good life.
Santa said
11:08 AM Feb 27, 2021
dorian wrote:
Santa wrote:
dorian wrote:
mark and kerry wrote:
Play Frank Sinatra loud some shopping center did that and the kids stayed away in droves
I was sitting in a doctor's surgery and had to listen to Dean Martin crooning through two nearby speakers for 45 minutes. I now know the meaning of "killing me softly with his song".
Tell us a little about your music preferences dorian.
The only music that helps to prevent the outside world from robbing me of the little sanity that I have left is chillout music. I'm currently in a race to the bottom -- will I lose my sanity before it comes time to bury my parents? That's my situation in a nutshell. I hope you're having a good life.
Sounds as though your going through a hard time dorian, I hope your getting some help? life is pretty tough in this day and age, particularly in big cities, people are so involved in their own affairs they have little or no time for others.
Its easy for people to give advice, when your the person affected there seems to be so many problems and so few solutions.
I sincerely hope you can find a way through your personal troubles.
Am I having a good life? I've had a very good life, sadly, like most of us in advancing years, health problems are making things a little difficult, just a fact of life I guess, old age, Charles de Gaulle once said, is a shipwreck, I'm inclined to agree.
Craig1 said
12:09 PM Feb 27, 2021
Dorian,
I had to listen to "inane" canned cr.p while waiting for Commonwealth Bank on Monday, 38.5 minutes and be repeatedly assured their Customer Service, all 2 of them I think, are based in Australia. Deano would sound good to me.
Brodie Allen said
08:25 PM Feb 27, 2021
Bogan parents breeding bogan kids, no discipline with the strap, kids raised by minders so that mum can go follow a career. Then ultimately, slack park managers.
Signs of the times in western "cultures".
-- Edited by Brodie Allen on Saturday 27th of February 2021 08:26:31 PM
Murray, Mike & bqt, Could we use your solutions to control the out of control kids in Townsville who insist on breaking into houses (with tools borrowed from Bunnings) & flogging cars? No, the govt says locking them up, any form of punishment is too harsh.
Beware everyone because while most cities in Qld have the problem, Townsville is by far the worst and its people are getting angry, demanding action!
Keep your keys & valuables in a secure location & be careful when driving on the roads, you're not assured that you won't meet a car full of kids driving on the wrong side of the road at speed. The most popular cars being pinched are VE Commodores, Toyota Corollas, Hiluxes, Ford Rangers - all automatics.
I have a nephew and daughter in Townsville nephew said its the same 40-50 kids doing it the cops know them but are hamstrung because of their age . When up there a 3 weeks ago we heard on the radio an elder that said if they (the elders) were allowed to fix the problem their way they would but apparently the do-Gooders wont allow them to , he said to put your keys under you mattress at night as they are sending little kids in through the bathrooms window or even the doggy door to find the keys , and yes they can only drive automatic cars . Taking to our daughter last night she said that Friday night they stole and torched a $150,000 land cruiser . Time for some serious lesson learning for these kids me thinks .
Old and Grey said
09:26 AM Feb 28, 2021
Woody n Sue wrote:
Warren-Pat_01 wrote:
Murray, Mike & bqt, Could we use your solutions to control the out of control kids in Townsville who insist on breaking into houses (with tools borrowed from Bunnings) & flogging cars? No, the govt says locking them up, any form of punishment is too harsh.
Beware everyone because while most cities in Qld have the problem, Townsville is by far the worst and its people are getting angry, demanding action!
Keep your keys & valuables in a secure location & be careful when driving on the roads, you're not assured that you won't meet a car full of kids driving on the wrong side of the road at speed. The most popular cars being pinched are VE Commodores, Toyota Corollas, Hiluxes, Ford Rangers - all automatics.
I have a nephew and daughter in Townsville nephew said its the same 40-50 kids doing it the cops know them but are hamstrung because of their age . When up there a 3 weeks ago we heard on the radio an elder that said if they (the elders) were allowed to fix the problem their way they would but apparently the do-Gooders wont allow them to , he said to put your keys under you mattress at night as they are sending little kids in through the bathrooms window or even the doggy door to find the keys , and yes they can only drive automatic cars . Taking to our daughter last night she said that Friday night they stole and torched a $150,000 land cruiser . Time for some serious lesson learning for these kids me thinks .
Hi Woody & Sue,
Well we just give Townsville a total miss. Theres a lot more to see ,do out the back.
Old and Grey
-- Edited by Old and Grey on Sunday 28th of February 2021 09:30:48 AM
Whenarewethere said
09:55 AM Feb 28, 2021
There was a product decades ago.
It was extremely high speed expanding foam incorporating wire mesh which set like concrete.
It was designed for vans moving valuable items like money.
If someone broke in the space would fill up with this foam.
Tony Bev said
06:17 PM Mar 2, 2021
I can still remember when I was kid, many years ago
Within reason, I could do what I wished to do, I have no idea if any oldies, thought that I was running wild, as I probably never asked them
One way to avoid feral kids, is to keep away from caravan parks, and large shopping centres, during school holidays
-- Edited by Tony Bev on Tuesday 2nd of March 2021 06:18:54 PM
A week or so else where in this forum several people commented on 'feral' kids running wild through caravan parks, in particular showing no regard for privacies of caravan sites.
Some 15 or so years ago my daughter was an active horse lover and took her horse to different meets around the country. At some of the meets there were people who had put up temporary corrals to keep their horses in. They used plastic 'posts' and strung either cord, thin rope or tape through loops in the posts.
Last week we were staying in the caravan park at Crookwell, NSW and went to a local hardware store and just by the door were packs of five what were called 'Multi-wire Ring Top Post(s),' made by Gallagher. Unfortunately, they were metal and quite heavy.
Back home a little research found the plastic type posts on Ebay; called 'Strip Graze Poly Tread-In Posts.' While only available in packs of 20, prices range from $70 up plus shipping. To use simply put your foot on a bracket near the bottom and push down. Then thread cord, thin rope or tape through the half dozen rings and there you have a nice fence. When ready to move on, simply pull the posts from the ground.
Might be the answer to keeping kids - and ignorant adults - from treating others sites as public thoroughfares.
Murray
also called "stand offs" and the plastic ones are great for putting battery operated electric fences up
Brian
Yes, Brian - the electric fence option is mentioned. But electrifying the fences might be a bit too much to use on kids!
Murray
-- Edited by Long Weekend on Saturday 20th of February 2021 05:06:15 PM
Shotgun.
Murray
Stop worrying,enjoy your trip.
Just enjoy your trip Peter. The only thing I would suggest is, don't start talking to anyone called Mick who drives a blue ute.
If you find some mace better not tell any one. Its illegal in Australia I believe. Hence the wasp spray.
Could we use your solutions to control the out of control kids in Townsville who insist on breaking into houses (with tools borrowed from Bunnings) & flogging cars? No, the govt says locking them up, any form of punishment is too harsh.
Beware everyone because while most cities in Qld have the problem, Townsville is by far the worst and its people are getting angry, demanding action!
Keep your keys & valuables in a secure location & be careful when driving on the roads, you're not assured that you won't meet a car full of kids driving on the wrong side of the road at speed.
The most popular cars being pinched are VE Commodores, Toyota Corollas, Hiluxes, Ford Rangers - all automatics.
At least they'll have an accurate reading of their speed - I wrote the software for it :)
We have never had a problem while travelling but most incidents occur involving alcohol which some people leave there eskies and bottles of spirits out on display.Then come sleep time is when they are robbed mainly after the grog and anything of value.
Cheers
At a festival not long ago. Neighbours Scotch bottle was stollen, so next night neighbours filled an empty scotch bottle with pee and put in same place. Sure enough, on return home, the bottle was gone. After that, nothing further was taken.
Not quite correct re illegal in Australia peter67. Western Australia is different to the rest of Australia in regards to the legalities of carrying pepper spray. I understand it is considered a controlled weapon in WA unlike all other states. Perhaps for clarification you may like to check with WA authorities. ps. I carry pepper spray in WA. Hope you enjoy your travels here in WA .I purchased them online from a company called Guardian Defense here in Perth. Take a look at their web site.
-- Edited by Aussie1 on Thursday 25th of February 2021 06:42:59 PM
Back on the subject matter.
My view is
Let kids be kids.
We all had a fun time enjoying our childhood.
Well anyway, I certainly did.
Plus I have witnessed 9 of our grandkids having a ball in their early years.
Jay&Dee
The Town council set up speakers and played classical music all day and night. Result - only oldies gathered there.
Murray
Thanks Aussie1 You learn something new every day. Personally I think it should be legal in all states.
I was sitting in a doctor's surgery and had to listen to Dean Martin crooning through two nearby speakers for 45 minutes. I now know the meaning of "killing me softly with his song".
Tell us a little about your music preferences dorian.
The only music that helps to prevent the outside world from robbing me of the little sanity that I have left is chillout music. I'm currently in a race to the bottom -- will I lose my sanity before it comes time to bury my parents? That's my situation in a nutshell. I hope you're having a good life.
Sounds as though your going through a hard time dorian, I hope your getting some help? life is pretty tough in this day and age, particularly in big cities, people are so involved in their own affairs they have little or no time for others.
Its easy for people to give advice, when your the person affected there seems to be so many problems and so few solutions.
I sincerely hope you can find a way through your personal troubles.
Am I having a good life? I've had a very good life, sadly, like most of us in advancing years, health problems are making things a little difficult, just a fact of life I guess, old age, Charles de Gaulle once said, is a shipwreck, I'm inclined to agree.
I had to listen to "inane" canned cr.p while waiting for Commonwealth Bank on Monday, 38.5 minutes and be repeatedly assured their Customer Service, all 2 of them I think, are based in Australia. Deano would sound good to me.
Bogan parents breeding bogan kids, no discipline with the strap, kids raised by minders so that mum can
go follow a career. Then ultimately, slack park managers.
Signs of the times in western "cultures".
-- Edited by Brodie Allen on Saturday 27th of February 2021 08:26:31 PM
I have a nephew and daughter in Townsville nephew said its the same 40-50 kids doing it the cops know them but are hamstrung because of their age . When up there a 3 weeks ago we heard on the radio an elder that said if they (the elders) were allowed to fix the problem their way they would but apparently the do-Gooders wont allow them to , he said to put your keys under you mattress at night as they are sending little kids in through the bathrooms window or even the doggy door to find the keys , and yes they can only drive automatic cars . Taking to our daughter last night she said that Friday night they stole and torched a $150,000 land cruiser . Time for some serious lesson learning for these kids me thinks .
-- Edited by Old and Grey on Sunday 28th of February 2021 09:30:48 AM
There was a product decades ago.
It was extremely high speed expanding foam incorporating wire mesh which set like concrete.
It was designed for vans moving valuable items like money.
If someone broke in the space would fill up with this foam.
I can still remember when I was kid, many years ago
Within reason, I could do what I wished to do, I have no idea if any oldies, thought that I was running wild, as I probably never asked them
One way to avoid feral kids, is to keep away from caravan parks, and large shopping centres, during school holidays
-- Edited by Tony Bev on Tuesday 2nd of March 2021 06:18:54 PM