On Tuesday evening a friends dog was mauled by a Doberman that escaped from under a garage roller door when the owner came home and parked his car, 45 mins in surgery did not save her dog. Last week in Adelaide a lady was seriously mauled by a dog and is/was in hospital.
I walk our dog in the surrounding streets that are dog friendly but intend to take him on our caravan trips in the future into unknown territory. I would like to buy a pepper spray but its illegal in Oz and the wasp spray container is to large to walk around with in your back pocket, my research has led me to the item below but I question its effectiveness on and aggressive dog intent on inflicting pain.
Have you come across anything better that's legal
Thanks
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/114858280952
Mike Harding said
12:59 PM Sep 2, 2021
A rapid opening folding knife with a 90mm blade would discourage most dogs but it's probably not legal to carry, personally I don't stress too much about such matters.
Failing that a heavy walking stick ideally with a large, dense and heavy handgrip in order that you may reverse it and use the heavy end to hit the dog.
A 22 six shot revolver - sadly, you're not allowed to, easily, own one in Oz.
A mobile phone, so you can call the police and request their assistance...? Right! And good luck with that.
tea spoon said
01:53 PM Sep 2, 2021
i take my kelpie around the block on a lead with the gopher .......in the basket i have vinagar in a spray bottle it will stop most dogs so im told ......i havent used it yet in some years
Aus-Kiwi said
02:14 PM Sep 2, 2021
Add a little chili in spray bottle ? Even sriracha.. Dont waste it though !!
Hairyone said
02:21 PM Sep 2, 2021
I used to carry a cattle prod....
watsea said
02:27 PM Sep 2, 2021
Hi Peter,
Found a few YouTube items about the product or similar. Some show the spray range.
One shows a test on a human.
The deterrent might be more effective on dogs who are unsuspecting of an interference than a human who is expecting to be sprayed.
I cannot comment on the legality of that product, but citronella anti-bark sprays are regularly sold for barking control.
PeterInSa said
02:57 PM Sep 2, 2021
Not sure about the legality of Chili spray
and I understand some citronella sprays are (alternative to 10% pepper spray,) and it did not upset the human in the last vid, but of course he knew it was coming.
But reasonable spray range.
Possum3 said
04:03 PM Sep 2, 2021
As there are no product reviews for the Pet Safe Spray - only a picture of woman effecting a spray at about one and a half meters and a statement about being effective on attack trained dogs - I would be wary of the product being actually effective in the real World.
It may be useful, but I personally would not rely on it against attack from a vicious dog - definitely not an "attack trained" one. M.H's solution with walking cane probably best option.
Corndoggy said
04:58 PM Sep 2, 2021
On the note of dogs attacking....
A guy down the road would stand on his front yard with his dog, not on a leash, while he had a smoke. The dog was that good it didn't need a leash. I would walk past with my dog and his wouldn't move a paw. He trained it that way. Would bump into him while we walked the dogs. His dog was fine. One day they were outside, he had just had an operation on his hands and they were bandaged up. A little poodle thing a few doors down escaped and run up the road, seen his dog and ran to it and attacked his dog. It bit his dog a few times then his dog bit back. It was a big dog. One bit and no more poodle. The council came out. Took his dog away and put it down, even though the other dog escaped and attacked and was on his land. It wasn't on a leash and he couldn't control it, not that he could with his hands. Haven't seen him outside since.
peter67 said
05:13 PM Sep 2, 2021
I'd give up the dog and take the hottie driving the golf cart walkies.
BAZZA44 said
05:21 PM Sep 2, 2021
A few years ago in Richmond Qld I was walking my dog when we were attacked by a pig dog that escaped from it's yard. My dog is a kelpie cross and had no chance so I had a fight with this pig dog until the owner heard and grabbed his dog. I was trying to choke it by it's chain collar. My dog had a few bites but ok, I ended up at the local hospital with cuts and bites all over my arms, but I saved my dog and I was lucky it never got my face. Now I carry a folding security baton. They are illegal but can be found on ebay as a safety device in your car for breaking windscreen in case of accident. I have two.
My dog is always on a lead and I am sick and tired of others allowed to run loose, I don't care how small they are, they are a damned pest.
Barry
yobarr said
05:28 PM Sep 2, 2021
Corndoggy wrote:
On the note of dogs attacking....
A guy down the road would stand on his front yard with his dog, not on a leash, while he had a smoke. The dog was that good it didn't need a leash. I would walk past with my dog and his wouldn't move a paw. He trained it that way. Would bump into him while we walked the dogs. His dog was fine. One day they were outside, he had just had an operation on his hands and they were bandaged up. A little poodle thing a few doors down escaped and run up the road, seen his dog and ran to it and attacked his dog. It bit his dog a few times then his dog bit back. It was a big dog. One bit and no more poodle. The council came out. Took his dog away and put it down, even though the other dog escaped and attacked and was on his land. It wasn't on a leash and he couldn't control it, not that he could with his hands. Haven't seen him outside since.
Victim of laws enacted in response to the bleating and moaning of "do gooders".Too much logic involved for some to understand.Cheers
Corndoggy said
05:31 PM Sep 2, 2021
Just got back from a walk with my dog. Guess what. 2 women in a front yard. Good thing they saw me through the bushes. Good thing I heard her call her dog. I paused a bit till she grabbed it, no lead. A mastiff looking thing and not too friendly by the snarls. She had to hold it back till I got up the road. Why a dog that reacted like that allowed on the front yard with no lead.
penny1 said
08:29 PM Sep 2, 2021
We've had several frightening experiences while travelling and walking our dog. My husband now carries a stout walking stick and is very cautious. (In his dreams he has a James Bond one with a concealed firearm inside).
A recent episode with a friend walking his dog. A large dog on lead was approaching him and his smaller dog. He was about to turn and go the other way when the other dog's owner assured him all would be o.k. With that the dog pulled away from its owner and attacked his dog. He found a large branch and attempted to intervene. The large dog then turned on him. His little dog was literally torn apart and unable to be saved on arrival at the vet. He rang the police, who told him to call the council. He heard nothing. Three days later he contacted the local radio station. The council then rang him and said he shouldn't be talking to the media. As of now the vicious dog has been impounded awaiting all the legal bureaucracy now involved. He is still traumatised at having to watch his little mate suffer and die so catastrophically.
PeterInSa said
09:06 PM Sep 2, 2021
penny..... Re (My husband now carries a stout walking stick)
Me, I won't see 70 again, but am reasonably fit and feel 45, and don't like the image of me having a walking stick when I am walking our dog. ( Its not my James Bond image).
penny1 said
09:44 PM Sep 2, 2021
A Well known vet by the name of Hugh Wirth said that when walking his dog he always carried an umbrella - rain or shine. Carrying a walking stick could be being prepared - like a boy scout. in case you stumble while walking your dog.
montie said
10:37 PM Sep 2, 2021
Just walk an English bull terrier....that way you won't have a problem!
rgren2 said
10:54 PM Sep 2, 2021
Waiting for Rob Driver to tell you all to just stay at home.
Eaglemax said
11:25 PM Sep 2, 2021
My working days included dog ranger for 3 outer Melbourne councils.
In the case of the guy down the road of "corndoggy" if I was the council worker there is no way I'd even fine that owner let alone confiscate his dog. Imo the dog was not a danger to anyone.
A properly trained law enforcement officer doesn't use laws literally. They enforce them for why the law was written, it's purpose for it in the first place. In the owners case his dog was well trained and remained on the property and even though the dog was not "confined" by fence or leash as per the law the dog was "under control".
I've had a dog kill another in a park. The owner of the killed foxy complained. However both dogs were not on leashes. In that case no action was taken.
On the matter of protection from aggressive dogs the umbrella or walking stick is my choice. We have a foxy. Owner's of bigger dogs say "he won't hurt, he's friendly". I never believe it.
Tony
Ooops said
02:44 PM Sep 3, 2021
To break up a dog fight without getting hurt.
Grab the attacking dog by the rear legs, lift so its feet aren't touching the ground and walk it backwards. Stay like that until the owner gets a leash on it. You're same as long as you hold it as described
alternatively if there's no owner insight
pass your lead around the attacking dog's legs thread the bolt snap through the handle loop and pull it tight. lift so its feet aren't touching the ground and walk it backwards. use the free end to securely tie the dog to a handy object, e.g a tree, fence etc
In both scenarios you're safe so long as you maintain tension on the dogs rea legs.
Hope that helps
Mike Harding said
02:52 PM Sep 3, 2021
Ooops wrote:
To break up a dog fight without getting hurt.
Grab the attacking dog by the rear legs, lift so its feet aren't touching the ground and walk it backwards. Stay like that until the owner gets a leash on it. You're same as long as you hold it as described
alternatively if there's no owner insight
pass your lead around the attacking dog's legs thread the bolt snap through the handle loop and pull it tight. lift so its feet aren't touching the ground and walk it backwards. use the free end to securely tie the dog to a handy object, e.g a tree, fence etc
In both scenarios you're safe so long as you maintain tension on the dogs rea legs.
Thank you for that. I can see your logic and I'm sure it's sound however I cannot help but think this is one of those things which seems better in theory than in practice as I contemplate hanging on to the rear legs of a very angry 60kg Rottweiler! :)
Aus-Kiwi said
09:18 PM Sep 3, 2021
If you have smaller dog ? At times its easier to pick your dog up and keep walking ..
Ooops said
10:55 PM Sep 3, 2021
Mike Harding wrote:
Thank you for that. I can see your logic and I'm sure it's sound however I cannot help but think this is one of those things which seems better in theory than in practice as I contemplate hanging on to the rear legs of a very angry 60kg Rottweiler! :)
Mike I understand your scepticism but it works Granted you'll likely need a change of underwear but it will work.
I don't know of any other way to separate two dogs that are in the kill or be killed zone without the human sustaining a severe injury And keep in mind, no matter how much he loves you, your own dog is equally likely to bite you if you just dive in between them.
Further more what happens if the aggressor turns on you? A GSD has a 2,000psi bite! A 30kg dog can inflict sever and lightening fast damage. In such situations we humans are extremely fragile and ill equipped to defend ourselves
Never mid the puncture wounds, there's also the crush injuries and mental stress. All extremely unpleasant and best avoided. So the question becomes how to immediately & efficiently incapacitate the aggressor without sustaining injury?
I don't know & have never heard of another method If any one one has a better way I'd really appreciate hearing it.
This is not some hypothetical internet nonsense. Go to Leerburg dot com and search for "Dealing with the aggressive dog" Its written by a gentleman who's forgotten more than most of us will ever know.
"If you have smaller dog ? At times its easier to pick your dog up and keep walking .. " Great if you can but .... given the speed that this can happen you may not see the aggressor coming consequently your small dog may well be held by the throat or neck, both with fatal out comes if you don't react immediately. Two fast shakes of the aggressor's head and the smaller dog may well be fatally injured or killed out right
Any how your mileage may vary, I hope you find the information useful and please do let me know if you come across a better solution.
-- Edited by PeterInSa on Saturday 4th of September 2021 10:34:38 AM
Long Weekend said
02:01 PM Sep 5, 2021
I was intrigued to see the reference to using cans of citronella spray to repel aggressive dogs.
Way back before Aeroguard was invented citronella was commonly used to ward flies away from faces - it was liberally smeared over our faces.
Anyway, a search on eBay shows that there are several sellers of the spray cans especially to repel dogs, cost in the region of $40. Haven't checked any of the large pet supply houses but they may also stock the cans.
Murray
Dick0 said
04:25 PM Sep 5, 2021
Cheap insect surface spray...you will not see the dog near you again.
msg said
09:53 PM Sep 5, 2021
Dick0 wrote:
Cheap insect surface spray...you will not see the dog near you again.
That's animal cruelty. You should go to jail if you actually sprayed it.
However, if it was your dog that was torn to pieces.. I was attacked so many times I no longer took her for a walk.
Lucky I had a small dog, large block of land so she didn't need to go for a walk.
What really annoyed me were those big dogs that roamed off lead in free camps and CP's. They have come inside my van. Molly would go ape. No fear unfortunately. Even if the dog's head was bigger than she was. Lucky they got such a shock standing there head in doorway wondering what she was and why she was going crook.
Dick0 said
11:52 AM Sep 6, 2021
msg wrote:
Dick0 wrote:
Cheap insect surface spray...you will not see the dog near you again.
That's animal cruelty. You should go to jail if you actually sprayed it.
However, if it was your dog that was torn to pieces.. I was attacked so many times I no longer took her for a walk.
Lucky I had a small dog, large block of land so she didn't need to go for a walk.
What really annoyed me were those big dogs that roamed off lead in free camps and CP's. They have come inside my van. Molly would go ape. No fear unfortunately. Even if the dog's head was bigger than she was. Lucky they got such a shock standing there head in doorway wondering what she was and why she was going crook.
If a dog is ruthlessly attacking you, your child or your pet you will use any means available to you to stop the attack. Best to be prepared in advance!
Any brutal attack by an animal will end up having that animal put down. So in what circumstances is your definition of animal cruelty.
In the past, three dogs have brutally attacked my children and all three dogs were put down.
Was that animal cruelty?
Mike Harding said
02:53 PM Sep 6, 2021
Protecting oneself (others or pets) from an attacking dog is not "animal cruelty" msg, don't be so silly.
On Tuesday evening a friends dog was mauled by a Doberman that escaped from under a garage roller door when the owner came home and parked his car, 45 mins in surgery did not save her dog. Last week in Adelaide a lady was seriously mauled by a dog and is/was in hospital.
I walk our dog in the surrounding streets that are dog friendly but intend to take him on our caravan trips in the future into unknown territory. I would like to buy a pepper spray but its illegal in Oz and the wasp spray container is to large to walk around with in your back pocket, my research has led me to the item below but I question its effectiveness on and aggressive dog intent on inflicting pain.
Have you come across anything better that's legal
Thanks
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/114858280952
A rapid opening folding knife with a 90mm blade would discourage most dogs but it's probably not legal to carry, personally I don't stress too much about such matters.
Failing that a heavy walking stick ideally with a large, dense and heavy handgrip in order that you may reverse it and use the heavy end to hit the dog.
A 22 six shot revolver - sadly, you're not allowed to, easily, own one in Oz.
A mobile phone, so you can call the police and request their assistance...? Right! And good luck with that.
Found a few YouTube items about the product or similar. Some show the spray range.
One shows a test on a human.
The deterrent might be more effective on dogs who are unsuspecting of an interference than a human who is expecting to be sprayed.
m.youtube.com/watch
m.youtube.com/watch
m.youtube.com/watch
I cannot comment on the legality of that product, but citronella anti-bark sprays are regularly sold for barking control.
and I understand some citronella sprays are (alternative to 10% pepper spray,) and it did not upset the human in the last vid, but of course he knew it was coming.
But reasonable spray range.
It may be useful, but I personally would not rely on it against attack from a vicious dog - definitely not an "attack trained" one. M.H's solution with walking cane probably best option.
A guy down the road would stand on his front yard with his dog, not on a leash, while he had a smoke. The dog was that good it didn't need a leash. I would walk past with my dog and his wouldn't move a paw. He trained it that way. Would bump into him while we walked the dogs. His dog was fine. One day they were outside, he had just had an operation on his hands and they were bandaged up. A little poodle thing a few doors down escaped and run up the road, seen his dog and ran to it and attacked his dog. It bit his dog a few times then his dog bit back. It was a big dog. One bit and no more poodle. The council came out. Took his dog away and put it down, even though the other dog escaped and attacked and was on his land. It wasn't on a leash and he couldn't control it, not that he could with his hands. Haven't seen him outside since.
A few years ago in Richmond Qld I was walking my dog when we were attacked by a pig dog that escaped from it's yard. My dog is a kelpie cross and had no chance so I had a fight with this pig dog until the owner heard and grabbed his dog. I was trying to choke it by it's chain collar. My dog had a few bites but ok, I ended up at the local hospital with cuts and bites all over my arms, but I saved my dog and I was lucky it never got my face. Now I carry a folding security baton. They are illegal but can be found on ebay as a safety device in your car for breaking windscreen in case of accident. I have two.
My dog is always on a lead and I am sick and tired of others allowed to run loose, I don't care how small they are, they are a damned pest.
Barry
Victim of laws enacted in response to the bleating and moaning of "do gooders".Too much logic involved for some to understand.Cheers
We've had several frightening experiences while travelling and walking our dog. My husband now carries a stout walking stick and is very cautious. (In his dreams he has a James Bond one with a concealed firearm inside).
A recent episode with a friend walking his dog. A large dog on lead was approaching him and his smaller dog. He was about to turn and go the other way when the other dog's owner assured him all would be o.k. With that the dog pulled away from its owner and attacked his dog. He found a large branch and attempted to intervene. The large dog then turned on him. His little dog was literally torn apart and unable to be saved on arrival at the vet. He rang the police, who told him to call the council. He heard nothing. Three days later he contacted the local radio station. The council then rang him and said he shouldn't be talking to the media. As of now the vicious dog has been impounded awaiting all the legal bureaucracy now involved. He is still traumatised at having to watch his little mate suffer and die so catastrophically.
Me, I won't see 70 again, but am reasonably fit and feel 45, and don't like the image of me having a walking stick when I am walking our dog. ( Its not my James Bond image).
A Well known vet by the name of Hugh Wirth said that when walking his dog he always carried an umbrella - rain or shine. Carrying a walking stick could be being prepared - like a boy scout. in case you stumble while walking your dog.
Waiting for Rob Driver to tell you all to just stay at home.
My working days included dog ranger for 3 outer Melbourne councils.
In the case of the guy down the road of "corndoggy" if I was the council worker there is no way I'd even fine that owner let alone confiscate his dog. Imo the dog was not a danger to anyone.
A properly trained law enforcement officer doesn't use laws literally. They enforce them for why the law was written, it's purpose for it in the first place. In the owners case his dog was well trained and remained on the property and even though the dog was not "confined" by fence or leash as per the law the dog was "under control".
I've had a dog kill another in a park. The owner of the killed foxy complained. However both dogs were not on leashes. In that case no action was taken.
On the matter of protection from aggressive dogs the umbrella or walking stick is my choice. We have a foxy. Owner's of bigger dogs say "he won't hurt, he's friendly". I never believe it.
Tony
To break up a dog fight without getting hurt.
Grab the attacking dog by the rear legs,
lift so its feet aren't touching the ground and walk it backwards.
Stay like that until the owner gets a leash on it.
You're same as long as you hold it as described
alternatively if there's no owner insight
pass your lead around the attacking dog's legs
thread the bolt snap through the handle loop and pull it tight.
lift so its feet aren't touching the ground and walk it backwards.
use the free end to securely tie the dog to a handy object, e.g a tree, fence etc
In both scenarios you're safe so long as you maintain tension on the dogs rea legs.
Hope that helps
Thank you for that. I can see your logic and I'm sure it's sound however I cannot help but think this is one of those things which seems better in theory than in practice as I contemplate hanging on to the rear legs of a very angry 60kg Rottweiler! :)
Mike I understand your scepticism but it works
Granted you'll likely need a change of underwear but it will work.
I don't know of any other way to separate two dogs that are in the kill or be killed zone without the human sustaining a severe injury
And keep in mind, no matter how much he loves you, your own dog is equally likely to bite you if you just dive in between them.
Further more what happens if the aggressor turns on you? A GSD has a 2,000psi bite! A 30kg dog can inflict sever and lightening fast damage.
In such situations we humans are extremely fragile and ill equipped to defend ourselves
Never mid the puncture wounds, there's also the crush injuries and mental stress.
All extremely unpleasant and best avoided.
So the question becomes how to immediately & efficiently incapacitate the aggressor without sustaining injury?
I don't know & have never heard of another method
If any one one has a better way I'd really appreciate hearing it.
This is not some hypothetical internet nonsense.
Go to Leerburg dot com and search for "Dealing with the aggressive dog"
Its written by a gentleman who's forgotten more than most of us will ever know.
"If you have smaller dog ? At times its easier to pick your dog up and keep walking .. "
Great if you can but .... given the speed that this can happen you may not see the aggressor coming
consequently your small dog may well be held by the throat or neck, both with fatal out comes if you don't react immediately.
Two fast shakes of the aggressor's head and the smaller dog may well be fatally injured or killed out right
Any how your mileage may vary, I hope you find the information useful and please do let me know if you come across a better solution.
Hairyone say
"I used to carry a cattle prod...."
They work every time on any breed of dog
cheers Bilbo
Further to the above
leerburg.com/dogfight.htm
An interesting/informative read
https://leerburg.com/aggresiv.htm
-- Edited by PeterInSa on Saturday 4th of September 2021 10:34:38 AM
Way back before Aeroguard was invented citronella was commonly used to ward flies away from faces - it was liberally smeared over our faces.
Anyway, a search on eBay shows that there are several sellers of the spray cans especially to repel dogs, cost in the region of $40. Haven't checked any of the large pet supply houses but they may also stock the cans.
Murray
Cheap insect surface spray...you will not see the dog near you again.
That's animal cruelty. You should go to jail if you actually sprayed it.
However, if it was your dog that was torn to pieces.. I was attacked so many times I no longer took her for a walk.
Lucky I had a small dog, large block of land so she didn't need to go for a walk.
What really annoyed me were those big dogs that roamed off lead in free camps and CP's. They have come inside my van. Molly would go ape. No fear unfortunately. Even if the dog's head was bigger than she was. Lucky they got such a shock standing there head in doorway wondering what she was and why she was going crook.
If a dog is ruthlessly attacking you, your child or your pet you will use any means available to you to stop the attack. Best to be prepared in advance!
Any brutal attack by an animal will end up having that animal put down. So in what circumstances is your definition of animal cruelty.
In the past, three dogs have brutally attacked my children and all three dogs were put down.
Was that animal cruelty?
Protecting oneself (others or pets) from an attacking dog is not "animal cruelty" msg, don't be so silly.