My husband and I are just starting our research ahead of retirement and heading off around Australia in a few years' time. We've pretty much decided on an off-road hybrid van to allow us to go into the more remote areas, such as the Gibb River Rd, Cape York, the Simpson Desert, etc.
We would love to get some feedback from the more experienced travellers as to the pros and cons of different brands/models so as to make an informed decision when the time comes to buy. What works and what doesn't, what you can do without and what you can't, build quality, ability to stand up to rough roads without falling apart, etc. etc.
All feedback would be gratefully appreciated.
Thanks, Kerryn
Peter_n_Margaret said
11:01 AM Jan 18, 2022
If you realy want to go to some of those places, forget towing anything. Towing anything across the Simpson for instance is actively discouraged because of the track damage it causes (not to mention the stress on the towing vehicle) and I would expect it to be banned at some time in the future. You need a 4WD motorhome. Both of these are DIY builds. I built the OKA 17 years ago. The Canter has been driven from Australia to Scotland, and back, via china, Mongolia, Russia, Tibet, India...... This is camped in the Simpson. We can spend a month at a time totally remote in places like this. Some short video clips. https://youtu.be/hX2bqM8VSZE
https://youtu.be/9cJg8JoTA9s
https://youtu.be/W479TUTa9NQ
https://youtu.be/C0drBOXsbas
https://youtu.be/m2GPMnAZMKg
https://youtu.be/UvXsocNrRWw
And the best way to get exactly what you want without breaking the bank is to build it yourself. This company will provide a flat pack kit to your design or build it for you. https://www.vanglassrv.com.au/truck-campers Cheers, Peter
-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 11:09:08 AM
Or a Unimog. I have made a few in 1:220 scale, completely scratch built. Amazing what they are used for.
Ivan 01 said
04:12 PM Jan 18, 2022
Welcome to the forum Karramar,
I am interested in the OPs enquiry.
I sold my van when I became ill and I am now considering something similar so I may get back out there.
I am considering a van or camper that can be used off road but can be towed easily.
I personally would never consider a 4wd motor home.
You have no ability to unhook and explore.
The type above are more suited to off road than the highway and are expensive slow and basically inconvenient.
Most of them on truck chassis are extremely high off the ground and the older I get the more difficult is the access in and out of the camper.
Driving truck based units are generally not as comfortable for driver or passenger as are most dedicated tow vehicles.
There are probably more inconvenient points but anyone considering one will work those out.
The unimog option below the OKA is just a nuisance post.
I really dont understand why some contribute something that is not related to the original enquiry.
I hope we get some genuine suggestions.
Peter_n_Margaret said
05:14 PM Jan 18, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
I personally would never consider a 4wd motor home. You have no ability to unhook and explore. The type above are more suited to off road than the highway and are expensive slow and basically inconvenient. Most of them on truck chassis are extremely high off the ground and the older I get the more difficult is the access in and out of the camper. Driving truck based units are generally not as comfortable for driver or passenger as are most dedicated tow vehicles. There are probably more inconvenient points but anyone considering one will work those out.
You have clearly never owned or toured in one?
We are better equipped than almost any caravan. That comes from the ability to carry more comforts, starting with water and food which are often the limiting elements which detirmine how long you can spent in those remote areas the OP wishes to venture to.
I spoke to an owner of a great setup who carried up to 475L of fuel.
Possum3 said
05:25 PM Jan 18, 2022
Welcome to GN's Karramar; The description "Öff-Road" is very misleading There are four caravans that are sturdy enough for extended travel on rough/corrugated roads, Kedron, Trackmaster, Evernew, Bushtracker.
They are all expensive and much heavier than most of the vans of equivalent size.
There are a couple of Hybrid Caravans that can handle gravel roads reasonably well if driven with care: Rhinomax, Track Trailer T4, Off-road Odyssey, Complete Campsite Exodus 14.
Warren-Pat_01 said
06:01 PM Jan 18, 2022
Hello Kerryn,
Again welcome to a great forum - there's lots of "stuff" written on this subject. Don't be afraid to use the Search, Advanced search tabs.
There are pros & cons with every vehicle, every van and of course driving to the conditions at the time can make or break your trip. Keep an eye on weights - what you WANT to carry vs what you CAN carry! If you believe what is written in caravan, 4WD magazines, you'd need to carry "the world in tools, spares." And the heavier you are, means there could more strife!
Another brand that Possum missed is the Spinifex caravan - due to circumstances & funds, I'm stuck with a Jayco. My past J Eagle went to many places that Jayco hadn't intended.
One way of checking what is best is to visit the forums, have a look in caravan parks - asking questions of people with the vans, trucks (you might need a different licence). Also phone places like Mt Dare, Coen (I think the mechanic from Birdsville has moved out - worth a check), where they see the best & worst of vehicle break downs. A good book to read is "Outback Cop" by Evan McHugh - the story of a police officer based in Birdsville.
Regarding the Hybrids - check their specifications, again forums, after sales service (or in some cases lack of). Some are made here, some overseas. When I was last at Boulia in the Eagle, there was one alongside us (as well as a Coromal Camper) - the cost of both campers new was far less than the hybrid - perhaps it was better?? It certainly was more cramped.
Enjoy your search and don't be shy in asking questions.
Derek Barnes said
06:11 PM Jan 18, 2022
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
If you realy want to go to some of those places, forget towing anything. Towing anything across the Simpson for instance is actively discouraged because of the track damage it causes (not to mention the stress on the towing vehicle) and I would expect it to be banned at some time in the future. You need a 4WD motorhome. Both of these are DIY builds. I built the OKA 17 years ago. The Canter has been driven from Australia to Scotland, and back, via china, Mongolia, Russia, Tibet, India...... This is camped in the Simpson. We can spend a month at a time totally remote in places like this. Some short video clips. https://youtu.be/hX2bqM8VSZE
https://youtu.be/9cJg8JoTA9s
https://youtu.be/W479TUTa9NQ
https://youtu.be/C0drBOXsbas
https://youtu.be/m2GPMnAZMKg
https://youtu.be/UvXsocNrRWw
And the best way to get exactly what you want without breaking the bank is to build it yourself. This company will provide a flat pack kit to your design or build it for you. https://www.vanglassrv.com.au/truck-campers Cheers, Peter
-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 11:09:08 AM
Why do you indicate that an OKA wont damage the Simpson tracks? Since an OKA can weigh up to 5500 to 6500 kg surely it would dig up the track compared to a much lighter 4WD and hybrid combination. Why is the OKA so light on damage?
montie said
06:53 PM Jan 18, 2022
Derek Barnes wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
If you realy want to go to some of those places, forget towing anything. Towing anything across the Simpson for instance is actively discouraged because of the track damage it causes (not to mention the stress on the towing vehicle) and I would expect it to be banned at some time in the future. You need a 4WD motorhome. Both of these are DIY builds. I built the OKA 17 years ago. The Canter has been driven from Australia to Scotland, and back, via china, Mongolia, Russia, Tibet, India...... This is camped in the Simpson. We can spend a month at a time totally remote in places like this. Some short video clips. https://youtu.be/hX2bqM8VSZE
https://youtu.be/9cJg8JoTA9s
https://youtu.be/W479TUTa9NQ
https://youtu.be/C0drBOXsbas
https://youtu.be/m2GPMnAZMKg
https://youtu.be/UvXsocNrRWw
And the best way to get exactly what you want without breaking the bank is to build it yourself. This company will provide a flat pack kit to your design or build it for you. https://www.vanglassrv.com.au/truck-campers Cheers, Peter
-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 11:09:08 AM
Why do you indicate that an OKA wont damage the Simpson tracks? Since an OKA can weigh up to 5500 to 6500 kg surely it would dig up the track compared to a much lighter 4WD and hybrid combination. Why is the OKA so light on damage?
I would not recommend towing anything across the Simpson....your Hybrid might find it's permanent home out there.
montie said
07:28 PM Jan 18, 2022
Not wanting to start World War 3 here but IMO many of these "Hybrids" are grossly over priced.
Ivan 01 said
07:43 PM Jan 18, 2022
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Ivan 01 wrote:
I personally would never consider a 4wd motor home. You have no ability to unhook and explore. The type above are more suited to off road than the highway and are expensive slow and basically inconvenient. Most of them on truck chassis are extremely high off the ground and the older I get the more difficult is the access in and out of the camper. Driving truck based units are generally not as comfortable for driver or passenger as are most dedicated tow vehicles. There are probably more inconvenient points but anyone considering one will work those out.
You have clearly never owned or toured in one?
Cheers,
Peter
Very true Peter, for the reasons that I have listed above.
I did travel with a mate with a motor home mainly on road for almost a month a couple of years ago and to be honest it was a pain in the bumper bar again for the reasons I listed above.
There are horses for courses but one of those horses wont be travelling on my course.
Peter_n_Margaret said
07:45 PM Jan 18, 2022
Derek Barnes wrote:
Why do you indicate that an OKA wont damage the Simpson tracks? Since an OKA can weigh up to 5500 to 6500 kg surely it would dig up the track compared to a much lighter 4WD and hybrid combination. Why is the OKA so light on damage?
Track damage is primarily the result of wheel spin.
Larger diameter wheels provide a larger, longer footprint (and no towing will always trump anything being towed).
One of the short vidios that I posted earlier was driving the OKA up the western side of Big Red, then some distance along the top. That was done in 1st gear, low range at a speed between 5 and 10kph. No screaming engine and no wheel spin.
There was also a vid of a section of the Googs Track (did I post it?). The scollpoing in the track (caused by wheel spin) is clearly visible.
The other major problem, especially in the Simpson because of the traffic density, is the trend to lower profile tyres. Even vehicles which had a very good reputation in the past are now less capable in their modern versions. The mob at Mount Dare used to report their observations on vehicles that crossed the Simpson in terms of vehicle damage sustained and their suitability for the crossing. The first 4WD that they considered "unsuitable" for the Simpson was a Range Rover, due to low profile tyres.
Cheers,
Peter
Peter_n_Margaret said
07:59 PM Jan 18, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Ivan 01 wrote:
I personally would never consider a 4wd motor home. You have no ability to unhook and explore. The type above are more suited to off road than the highway and are expensive slow and basically inconvenient. Most of them on truck chassis are extremely high off the ground and the older I get the more difficult is the access in and out of the camper. Driving truck based units are generally not as comfortable for driver or passenger as are most dedicated tow vehicles. There are probably more inconvenient points but anyone considering one will work those out.
You have clearly never owned or toured in one?
Cheers,
Peter
Very true Peter, for the reasons that I have listed above.
I did travel with a mate with a motor home mainly on road for almost a month a couple of years ago and to be honest it was a pain in the bumper bar again for the reasons I listed above.
There are horses for courses but one of those horses wont be travelling on my course.
W have owned caravans, but I have not criticised your choice. We now have 30 years experience in 4WD motorhomes, firstly an F350, then the OKA.
In 2017, we did escort some friends on a trip through some of the more remote regions of northern SA. https://youtu.be/_ScBK7JgSTQ This was a brand new "off road" caravan. Not only did it suffer from numerous breakages, but the dust that came inside was extraordinary because the caravan always travels in the dust of the tug. They actually bought a vacuum cleaner along the way and used it to clean up every evening after travel.
We get no dust inside.
My responses are for the OP. They want to travel some of the more remote regions of this great country and I applaud that. If you want to cruise around this country and remain on made roads (bitumen or gravel), go for the caravan if that appeals to you, but I suggest that is not appropriate for the OP and I am happy to debate the pros and cons with him.
Cheers,
Peter
-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 08:04:13 PM
Ivan 01 said
08:04 PM Jan 18, 2022
Thanks to Possum and to Warren for the brands listed. I have copied them down and will use the info as a starting point.
Montie said,
Not wanting to start World War 3 here but IMO many of these "Hybrids" are grossly over priced.
I noticed that.
When I was in hospital and while recovering I have been looking at them and I tend to agree, although to be fair I havent as yet, gone and looked at them in the flesh to see what you get for your money.
I do see an odd second hand units for sale and some of them seem to sell at a more affordable price.
I dont have to have a new one if I find a used one in good condition.
montie said
08:22 PM Jan 18, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
Thanks to Possum and to Warren for the brands listed. I have copied them down and will use the info as a starting point.
Montie said,
Not wanting to start World War 3 here but IMO many of these "Hybrids" are grossly over priced.
I noticed that.
When I was in hospital and while recovering I have been looking at them and I tend to agree, although to be fair I havent as yet, gone and looked at them in the flesh to see what you get for your money.
I do see an odd second hand units for sale and some of them seem to sell at a more affordable price.
I dont have to have a new one if I find a used one in good condition.
A 12ft "Hybrid" for $80k...
Wow that get's you a 21ft fully spaced caravan!
-- Edited by montie on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 08:24:51 PM
I didnt think that the OP asked any question about a 4WD off road vehicle yet you began to inform them of their poor choice. I notice that this happens a lot on this forum.
I thought all I did was offer my preferences for the type of vehicle I want and the reasons why I dont want a 4WD off road truck, AFTER you insisted that a choice of van or hybrid wont be any good. Maybe my reasons for not wanting a behemoth vehicle hit a nerve.
Your thoughts have been noted by all those who may have read these posts and so has mine.
Is there a problem with that.
Ivan 01 said
08:40 PM Jan 18, 2022
What the hell is going on here.
The OP or me made no mention of money apart from me indicating that a second hand option might be my option.
We have a caravan salesman and a welded on OKA fan carrying on like 2 bob watches.
You offer nothing to the topic.
Me following this topic was being interested in what informed people might think of the brands available.
Nothing more.
Whenarewethere said
08:58 PM Jan 18, 2022
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Derek Barnes wrote:
Why do you indicate that an OKA wont damage the Simpson tracks? Since an OKA can weigh up to 5500 to 6500 kg surely it would dig up the track compared to a much lighter 4WD and hybrid combination. Why is the OKA so light on damage?
Track damage is primarily the result of wheel spin.
Larger diameter wheels provide a larger, longer footprint (and no towing will always trump anything being towed).
One of the short vidios that I posted earlier was driving the OKA up the western side of Big Red, then some distance along the top. That was done in 1st gear, low range at a speed between 5 and 10kph. No screaming engine and no wheel spin.
There was also a vid of a section of the Googs Track (did I post it?). The scollpoing in the track (caused by wheel spin) is clearly visible.
The other major problem, especially in the Simpson because of the traffic density, is the trend to lower profile tyres. Even vehicles which had a very good reputation in the past are now less capable in their modern versions. The mob at Mount Dare used to report their observations on vehicles that crossed the Simpson in terms of vehicle damage sustained and their suitability for the crossing. The first 4WD that they considered "unsuitable" for the Simpson was a Range Rover, due to low profile tyres.
Cheers,
Peter
Yes.
Land Rover with their fetish with what I call poodle rims.
High profile tyres & let them down & decent compressor/s to pump up quickly. Who wants to stand in the heat, dust, flies & stones from idiots racing past.
montie said
09:03 PM Jan 18, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
What the hell is going on here. The OP or me made no mention of money apart from me indicating that a second hand option might be my option.
We have a caravan salesman and a welded on OKA fan carrying on like 2 bob watches.
You offer nothing to the topic.
Me following this topic was being interested in what informed people might think of the brands available.
Nothing more.
Firstly you are not the OP so your opinion on this topic is appreciated the same as every other poster.
A caravan salesman, as you put it ,without knowing the facts, may well have something useful to contribute.....namely before you spend $80k on a 12ft van ...do your homework!
Secondly,before you set off into the Simpson Desert with your Hybrid in tow it might be advisable to listen to the advice from the people who have already been out there.
Ivan 01 said
09:14 PM Jan 18, 2022
Montie
I wonder just how you know where I have and havent travelled in this country. As you directed the above comment at me Montie, I made no mention of anywhere I intended to travel in this topic.
In the hope that the OP might come back on I wont make any more comment to those with the massive egos. Have another drink fellas.
montie said
09:17 PM Jan 18, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
Montie
I wonder just how you know where I have and havent travelled in this country. As you directed the above comment at me Montie, I made no mention of anywhere I intended to travel in this topic.
In the hope that the OP might come back on I wont make any more comment to those with the massive egos. Have another drink fellas.
Sounds like a good idea to me.....maybe you can tell us about your Simpson Desert crossing...we can compare notes!
Peter_n_Margaret said
09:26 PM Jan 18, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
Peter
I didnt think that the OP asked any question about a 4WD off road vehicle yet you began to inform them of their poor choice. I notice that this happens a lot on this forum.
Kerryn listed some of the places he wanted to go which I took to be very indicative of his travel plans and objectives. One of the places he listed is not possible with the RV he mentioned. Maybe others in his plan would also be impractical for the same or similar reasons. He appears to be preparing to purchase his first RV for this type of country and would likely not have an appreciation of what is required.
An appropriate 4WD motorhome will take him to all of the places mentioned and anywhere else he can imagine as well. Some of us are not happy to follow the crowd and battle for camp sites wherever we go. Some of us join caravan park chains. We join Friends of National Parks groups (Simpson Desert Parks and Great Victoria Desert Parks) so we can get to palces that others can not easily go to and do some voluntary work while we enjoy the stunning country it takes us to.
At no time have I suggested he needs to buy an OKA.
Cheers,
Peter
TheHeaths said
09:32 PM Jan 18, 2022
It appears the ONLY person not getting a say in this thread, or flexing their muscles, is Kerryn.
They ask a question, then thepost is taken over by others who look to impose what they want to know on it. Maybe, just maybe, Kerryn would like to hear about other options like motor homes and full size vans.
I just hope Kerryn comes back, and gets something useful from the experience and input of others.
Remember, it is THEIR thread, and should not be highjacked by others. Certainly at least not until Kerryn has decided what they would like to hear from this thread.
Over to you Kerryn!
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 09:33:24 PM
montie said
09:59 PM Jan 18, 2022
TheHeaths wrote:
It appears the ONLY person not getting a say in this thread, or flexing their muscles, is Kerryn.
They ask a question, then thepost is taken over by others who look to impose what they want to know on it. Maybe, just maybe, Kerryn would like to hear about other options like motor homes and full size vans.
I just hope Kerryn comes back, and gets something useful from the experience and input of others.
Remember, it is THEIR thread, and should not be highjacked by others. Certainly at least not until Kerryn has decided what they would like to hear from this thread.
Over to you Kerryn!
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 09:33:24 PM
My advice to Kerryn.
1) "Hybrid" vans are relatively new to the market, emerging in the past couple of years. Smaller, more narrow, all the "off road bling".
2) The majority of "Hybrids" on the Aus market are built in China
3) The Aus built Hybrids are grossly overpriced.
4) For serious off road travelling a good quality camper trailer is an option. And it is not as expensive.
5) Please do your research...there are places and destinations in Aus where towing is simply not an option.
6) Listen to the advice of experienced people....I suspect that is the reason why you posted on this forum in the first instance...Don't be afraid to ask more questions.
Karramar said
10:09 PM Jan 18, 2022
Thanks to those that have provided useful information; I will ignore the argy bargy!! lol
My husband and I were initially tossing up between a camper trailer & a hybrid van. We just think the setting up of the camper trailer for 12 months might drive us balmy (we are basically lazy)! But it would probably be the better option for some of the off-road parts of Australia that would be amazing to explore. Ultimately we will have to make that decision, as to what is most important to us. At this stage we're leaning towards a hybrid - still small and light enough to take on some of the tighter tracks, but still having some creature comforts, as well as being easier to set up. Considering the trip is some years away, we have plenty of time to change our minds based on research. Looking at the hybrids recommended, as expected they are at the super pricey end of the scale. So how much we end up having available to spend will definitely come into it. And we may have to consider second-hand.
Would love to hear from people who have travelled the Gibb River Road, Cape York, central Australia, etc. and what handled it well, also what didn't handle it well.
At this stage we are not interested in a motorhome, can't imagine driving one into town for supplies, only to get back to the campsite to find our spot taken....
As for the Simpson Desert - that can always be done as a separate trip with a 4WD & swags if need be.
Yes, wanting to hear advice from experienced people, hence why I posted in the first place. :)
-- Edited by Karramar on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 10:19:31 PM
montie said
10:20 PM Jan 18, 2022
Karramar wrote:
Thanks to those that have provided useful information; I will ignore the argy bargy!! lol
My husband and I were initially tossing up between a camper trailer & a hybrid van. We just think the setting up of the camper trailer for 12 months might drive us balmy (we are basically lazy)! But it would probably be the better option for some of the off-road parts of Australia that would be amazing to explore. Ultimately we will have to make that decision, as to what is most important to us. At this stage we're leaning towards a hybrid - still small and light enough to take on some of the tighter tracks, but still having some creature comforts, as well as being easier to set up. Considering the trip is some years away, we have plenty of time to change our minds based on research. Looking at the hybrids recommended, as expected they are at the super pricey end of the scale. So how much we end up having available to spend will definitely come into it. And we may have to consider second-hand.
Would love to hear from people who have travelled the Gibb River Road, Cape York, central Australia, etc. and what handled it well, also what didn't handle it well.
At this stage we are not interested in a motorhome, can't imagine driving one into town for supplies, only to get back to the campsite to find it taken....
As for the Simpson Desert - that can always be done as a separate trip with a 4WD & swags if need be.
Yes, wanting to hear advice from experienced people, hence why I posted in the first place. :)
Kerryn,
Good luck with your research and there is plenty of experience on this forum to answer any of your questions.
Don't be afraid to ask...
Where's our welcoming diplomat Dougwe!
-- Edited by montie on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 10:39:37 PM
Karramar said
10:23 PM Jan 18, 2022
montie wrote:
My advice to Kerryn.
1) "Hybrid" vans are relatively new to the market, emerging in the past couple of years. Smaller, more narrow, all the "off road bling".
2) The majority of "Hybrids" on the Aus market are built in China
3) The Aus built Hybrids are grossly overpriced.
4) For serious off road travelling a good quality camper trailer is an option. And it is not as expensive.
5) Please do your research...there are places and destinations in Aus where towing is simply not an option.
6) Listen to the advice of experienced people....I suspect that is the reason why you posted on this forum in the first instance...Don't be afraid to ask more questions.
Hi guys,
I'm new to the forum, so hello to all!
My husband and I are just starting our research ahead of retirement and heading off around Australia in a few years' time. We've pretty much decided on an off-road hybrid van to allow us to go into the more remote areas, such as the Gibb River Rd, Cape York, the Simpson Desert, etc.
We would love to get some feedback from the more experienced travellers as to the pros and cons of different brands/models so as to make an informed decision when the time comes to buy. What works and what doesn't, what you can do without and what you can't, build quality, ability to stand up to rough roads without falling apart, etc. etc.
All feedback would be gratefully appreciated.
Thanks, Kerryn
If you realy want to go to some of those places, forget towing anything.
Towing anything across the Simpson for instance is actively discouraged because of the track damage it causes (not to mention the stress on the towing vehicle) and I would expect it to be banned at some time in the future.
You need a 4WD motorhome.
Both of these are DIY builds. I built the OKA 17 years ago. The Canter has been driven from Australia to Scotland, and back, via china, Mongolia, Russia, Tibet, India......
This is camped in the Simpson. We can spend a month at a time totally remote in places like this.
Some short video clips.
https://youtu.be/hX2bqM8VSZE
https://youtu.be/9cJg8JoTA9s
https://youtu.be/W479TUTa9NQ
https://youtu.be/C0drBOXsbas
https://youtu.be/m2GPMnAZMKg
https://youtu.be/UvXsocNrRWw
And the best way to get exactly what you want without breaking the bank is to build it yourself. This company will provide a flat pack kit to your design or build it for you.
https://www.vanglassrv.com.au/truck-campers
Cheers,
Peter
-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 11:09:08 AM
Or a Unimog. I have made a few in 1:220 scale, completely scratch built. Amazing what they are used for.
I am interested in the OPs enquiry.
I sold my van when I became ill and I am now considering something similar so I may get back out there.
I am considering a van or camper that can be used off road but can be towed easily.
I personally would never consider a 4wd motor home.
You have no ability to unhook and explore.
The type above are more suited to off road than the highway and are expensive slow and basically inconvenient.
Most of them on truck chassis are extremely high off the ground and the older I get the more difficult is the access in and out of the camper.
Driving truck based units are generally not as comfortable for driver or passenger as are most dedicated tow vehicles.
There are probably more inconvenient points but anyone considering one will work those out.
The unimog option below the OKA is just a nuisance post.
I really dont understand why some contribute something that is not related to the original enquiry.
I hope we get some genuine suggestions.
You have clearly never owned or toured in one?
We are better equipped than almost any caravan. That comes from the ability to carry more comforts, starting with water and food which are often the limiting elements which detirmine how long you can spent in those remote areas the OP wishes to venture to.
Cheers,
Peter
A bit too climbing up & down for some.
I spoke to an owner of a great setup who carried up to 475L of fuel.
They are all expensive and much heavier than most of the vans of equivalent size.
There are a couple of Hybrid Caravans that can handle gravel roads reasonably well if driven with care: Rhinomax, Track Trailer T4, Off-road Odyssey, Complete Campsite Exodus 14.
Again welcome to a great forum - there's lots of "stuff" written on this subject. Don't be afraid to use the Search, Advanced search tabs.
There are pros & cons with every vehicle, every van and of course driving to the conditions at the time can make or break your trip. Keep an eye on weights - what you WANT to carry vs what you CAN carry! If you believe what is written in caravan, 4WD magazines, you'd need to carry "the world in tools, spares." And the heavier you are, means there could more strife!
Another brand that Possum missed is the Spinifex caravan - due to circumstances & funds, I'm stuck with a Jayco. My past J Eagle went to many places that Jayco hadn't intended.
One way of checking what is best is to visit the forums, have a look in caravan parks - asking questions of people with the vans, trucks (you might need a different licence). Also phone places like Mt Dare, Coen (I think the mechanic from Birdsville has moved out - worth a check), where they see the best & worst of vehicle break downs. A good book to read is "Outback Cop" by Evan McHugh - the story of a police officer based in Birdsville.
Regarding the Hybrids - check their specifications, again forums, after sales service (or in some cases lack of). Some are made here, some overseas. When I was last at Boulia in the Eagle, there was one alongside us (as well as a Coromal Camper) - the cost of both campers new was far less than the hybrid - perhaps it was better?? It certainly was more cramped.
Enjoy your search and don't be shy in asking questions.
Why do you indicate that an OKA wont damage the Simpson tracks? Since an OKA can weigh up to 5500 to 6500 kg surely it would dig up the track compared to a much lighter 4WD and hybrid combination. Why is the OKA so light on damage?
I would not recommend towing anything across the Simpson....your Hybrid might find it's permanent home out there.
Not wanting to start World War 3 here but IMO many of these "Hybrids" are grossly over priced.
Very true Peter, for the reasons that I have listed above.
I did travel with a mate with a motor home mainly on road for almost a month a couple of years ago and to be honest it was a pain in the bumper bar again for the reasons I listed above.
There are horses for courses but one of those horses wont be travelling on my course.
Track damage is primarily the result of wheel spin.
Larger diameter wheels provide a larger, longer footprint (and no towing will always trump anything being towed).
One of the short vidios that I posted earlier was driving the OKA up the western side of Big Red, then some distance along the top. That was done in 1st gear, low range at a speed between 5 and 10kph. No screaming engine and no wheel spin.
There was also a vid of a section of the Googs Track (did I post it?). The scollpoing in the track (caused by wheel spin) is clearly visible.
The other major problem, especially in the Simpson because of the traffic density, is the trend to lower profile tyres. Even vehicles which had a very good reputation in the past are now less capable in their modern versions. The mob at Mount Dare used to report their observations on vehicles that crossed the Simpson in terms of vehicle damage sustained and their suitability for the crossing. The first 4WD that they considered "unsuitable" for the Simpson was a Range Rover, due to low profile tyres.
Cheers,
Peter
W have owned caravans, but I have not criticised your choice. We now have 30 years experience in 4WD motorhomes, firstly an F350, then the OKA.
In 2017, we did escort some friends on a trip through some of the more remote regions of northern SA. https://youtu.be/_ScBK7JgSTQ This was a brand new "off road" caravan. Not only did it suffer from numerous breakages, but the dust that came inside was extraordinary because the caravan always travels in the dust of the tug. They actually bought a vacuum cleaner along the way and used it to clean up every evening after travel.
We get no dust inside.
My responses are for the OP. They want to travel some of the more remote regions of this great country and I applaud that. If you want to cruise around this country and remain on made roads (bitumen or gravel), go for the caravan if that appeals to you, but I suggest that is not appropriate for the OP and I am happy to debate the pros and cons with him.
Cheers,
Peter
-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 08:04:13 PM
Thanks to Possum and to Warren for the brands listed.
I have copied them down and will use the info as a starting point.
Montie said,
Not wanting to start World War 3 here but IMO many of these "Hybrids" are grossly over priced.
I noticed that.
When I was in hospital and while recovering I have been looking at them and I tend to agree, although to be fair I havent as yet, gone and looked at them in the flesh to see what you get for your money.
I do see an odd second hand units for sale and some of them seem to sell at a more affordable price.
I dont have to have a new one if I find a used one in good condition.
A 12ft "Hybrid" for $80k...
Wow that get's you a 21ft fully spaced caravan!
-- Edited by montie on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 08:24:51 PM
A quick look at Gumtree.
$58,000 ISUZU TRUCK BASED MOTORHOME 4 x 4 | Campervans & Motorhomes | Gumtree Australia Tablelands - Mareeba | 1281924471
$90,000 2008 Sitec Series 2 Isuzu NPR300 White Motor Camper | Campervans & Motorhomes | Gumtree Australia Victoria Park Area - St James | 1288600584
$95,000 ISUZU NPS300 4X4 MOTORHOME | Campervans & Motorhomes | Gumtree Australia Joondalup Area - Greenwood | 1288416076
Tug included....
Cheers,
Peter
I didnt think that the OP asked any question about a 4WD off road vehicle yet you began to inform them of their poor choice. I notice that this happens a lot on this forum.
I thought all I did was offer my preferences for the type of vehicle I want and the reasons why I dont want a 4WD off road truck, AFTER you insisted that a choice of van or hybrid wont be any good. Maybe my reasons for not wanting a behemoth vehicle hit a nerve.
Your thoughts have been noted by all those who may have read these posts and so has mine.
Is there a problem with that.
The OP or me made no mention of money apart from me indicating that a second hand option might be my option.
We have a caravan salesman and a welded on OKA fan carrying on like 2 bob watches.
You offer nothing to the topic.
Me following this topic was being interested in what informed people might think of the brands available.
Nothing more.
Yes.
Land Rover with their fetish with what I call poodle rims.
High profile tyres & let them down & decent compressor/s to pump up quickly. Who wants to stand in the heat, dust, flies & stones from idiots racing past.
Firstly you are not the OP so your opinion on this topic is appreciated the same as every other poster.
A caravan salesman, as you put it ,without knowing the facts, may well have something useful to contribute.....namely before you spend $80k on a 12ft van ...do your homework!
Secondly,before you set off into the Simpson Desert with your Hybrid in tow it might be advisable to listen to the advice from the people who have already been out there.
I wonder just how you know where I have and havent travelled in this country. As you directed the above comment at me Montie, I made no mention of anywhere I intended to travel in this topic.
In the hope that the OP might come back on I wont make any more comment to those with the massive egos. Have another drink fellas.
Sounds like a good idea to me.....maybe you can tell us about your Simpson Desert crossing...we can compare notes!
Kerryn listed some of the places he wanted to go which I took to be very indicative of his travel plans and objectives. One of the places he listed is not possible with the RV he mentioned. Maybe others in his plan would also be impractical for the same or similar reasons. He appears to be preparing to purchase his first RV for this type of country and would likely not have an appreciation of what is required.
An appropriate 4WD motorhome will take him to all of the places mentioned and anywhere else he can imagine as well. Some of us are not happy to follow the crowd and battle for camp sites wherever we go. Some of us join caravan park chains. We join Friends of National Parks groups (Simpson Desert Parks and Great Victoria Desert Parks) so we can get to palces that others can not easily go to and do some voluntary work while we enjoy the stunning country it takes us to.
At no time have I suggested he needs to buy an OKA.
Cheers,
Peter
It appears the ONLY person not getting a say in this thread, or flexing their muscles, is Kerryn.
They ask a question, then thepost is taken over by others who look to impose what they want to know on it. Maybe, just maybe, Kerryn would like to hear about other options like motor homes and full size vans.
I just hope Kerryn comes back, and gets something useful from the experience and input of others.
Remember, it is THEIR thread, and should not be highjacked by others. Certainly at least not until Kerryn has decided what they would like to hear from this thread.
Over to you Kerryn!
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 09:33:24 PM
My advice to Kerryn.
1) "Hybrid" vans are relatively new to the market, emerging in the past couple of years. Smaller, more narrow, all the "off road bling".
2) The majority of "Hybrids" on the Aus market are built in China
3) The Aus built Hybrids are grossly overpriced.
4) For serious off road travelling a good quality camper trailer is an option. And it is not as expensive.
5) Please do your research...there are places and destinations in Aus where towing is simply not an option.
6) Listen to the advice of experienced people....I suspect that is the reason why you posted on this forum in the first instance...Don't be afraid to ask more questions.
Thanks to those that have provided useful information; I will ignore the argy bargy!! lol
My husband and I were initially tossing up between a camper trailer & a hybrid van. We just think the setting up of the camper trailer for 12 months might drive us balmy (we are basically lazy)! But it would probably be the better option for some of the off-road parts of Australia that would be amazing to explore. Ultimately we will have to make that decision, as to what is most important to us. At this stage we're leaning towards a hybrid - still small and light enough to take on some of the tighter tracks, but still having some creature comforts, as well as being easier to set up. Considering the trip is some years away, we have plenty of time to change our minds based on research. Looking at the hybrids recommended, as expected they are at the super pricey end of the scale. So how much we end up having available to spend will definitely come into it. And we may have to consider second-hand.
Would love to hear from people who have travelled the Gibb River Road, Cape York, central Australia, etc. and what handled it well, also what didn't handle it well.
At this stage we are not interested in a motorhome, can't imagine driving one into town for supplies, only to get back to the campsite to find our spot taken....
As for the Simpson Desert - that can always be done as a separate trip with a 4WD & swags if need be.
Yes, wanting to hear advice from experienced people, hence why I posted in the first place. :)
-- Edited by Karramar on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 10:19:31 PM
Kerryn,
Good luck with your research and there is plenty of experience on this forum to answer any of your questions.
Don't be afraid to ask...
Where's our welcoming diplomat Dougwe!
-- Edited by montie on Tuesday 18th of January 2022 10:39:37 PM
This is great advice, thank you.