Curious to know what tow vehicle make/mode/year (likely 2nd hand no doubt) would people go for to tow a 2800-3500kg caravan, but with a good amount of payload left for the vehicle (after GVM/GCM/Towball etc calcs).  Assuming budget of $50k-$80k.

Landcruiser 200 series holding their value well, so wondering what else people would consider from a value for money.   Also dont want Ute really, just SUV I think.  Understand there would be compromise re final caravan ATM and vehicle payload.  

Land Rover Defender. With air suspension you don't have the uncivilized situation of connecting & disconnecting the tow ball.

Disclaimer, I have a Land Rover.

If only our garage in our block of units was tall enough for a Defender, bugger!

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Curious to know what tow vehicle make/mode/year (likely 2nd hand no doubt) would people go for to tow a 2800-3500kg caravan, but with a good amount of payload left for the vehicle (after GVM/GCM/Towball etc calcs).  Assuming budget of $50k-$80k.

Landcruiser 200 series holding their value well, so wondering what else people would consider from a value for money.   Also dont want Ute really, just SUV I think.  Understand there would be compromise re final caravan ATM and vehicle payload.  

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You have a job ahead of you if you restrict yourself to what is commonly known as "SUV". LC200 cannot tow more than around 3000kg because of low rear axle rating which is NOT remedied by GVM upgrade, despite all the hype. Bit busy at moment, but will try to help later. Cheers

P.S Excellent car is Nissan Patrol Y62, big, powerful, luxurious(?) relatively cheap. BUT petrol only.

Rivian Electric SUV, Series one, they have had some issues, and only have a range of 400km towing. Or one of the up market Jeeps. A neighbour has a top of the line Jeep, and pull s 3200kg van, he paid 77k  for it new, and recommends it. He has had no problems with it in 3 years.

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Curious to know what tow vehicle make/mode/year (likely 2nd hand no doubt) would people go for to tow a 2800-3500kg caravan, but with a good amount of payload left for the vehicle (after GVM/GCM/Towball etc calcs).  Assuming budget of $50k-$80k.

Landcruiser 200 series holding their value well, so wondering what else people would consider from a value for money.   Also dont want Ute really, just SUV I think.  Understand there would be compromise re final caravan ATM and vehicle payload.  

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You have a job ahead of you if you restrict yourself to what is commonly known as "SUV". LC200 cannot tow more than around 3000kg because of low rear axle rating which is NOT remedied by GVM upgrade, despite all the hype. Bit busy at moment, but will try to help later. Cheers

P.S Excellent car is Nissan Patrol Y62, big, powerful, luxurious(?) relatively cheap. BUT petrol only.

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 LC200 rated at 3500kg  towing. Nothing to do with low rear axle. Check the spec.

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Curious to know what tow vehicle make/mode/year (likely 2nd hand no doubt) would people go for to tow a 2800-3500kg caravan, but with a good amount of payload left for the vehicle (after GVM/GCM/Towball etc calcs).  Assuming budget of $50k-$80k.

Landcruiser 200 series holding their value well, so wondering what else people would consider from a value for money.   Also dont want Ute really, just SUV I think.  Understand there would be compromise re final caravan ATM and vehicle payload.  

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You have a job ahead of you if you restrict yourself to what is commonly known as "SUV". LC200 cannot tow more than around 3000kg because of low rear axle rating which is NOT remedied by GVM upgrade, despite all the hype. Bit busy at moment, but will try to help later. Cheers

P.S Excellent car is Nissan Patrol Y62, big, powerful, luxurious(?) relatively cheap. BUT petrol only.

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 LC200 rated at 3500kg  towing. Nothing to do with low rear axle. Check the spec.

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If you knew anything about how tow ratings are given, you probably would not have made this comment?  This has been covered extensively on this forum, and many times I have explained the figures. If you use the "search" button you will uncover many posts where it all is clearly explained.. Rear axle is rated at a miserable 1950kg and a 350kg towball weight (10% of 3500kg ATM) applies well over 500kg to that axle. Game over. Tow ratings are for a DOG trailer where there is almost zero weight on the car's towbar. Cheers

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Rivian Electric SUV, Series one, they have had some issues, and only have a range of 400km towing. Or one of the up market Jeeps. A neighbour has a top of the line Jeep, and pull s 3200kg van, he paid 77k  for it new, and recommends it. He has had no problems with it in 3 years.

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 Hi Ric. I'd be most interested to learn what model Jeep your friend owns as many Jeeps built in the last 3 years have no chance of towing that weight. Even the V8 Jeep can't do it safely. Cheers

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Well, I am guess ing weight of the van, it is 22 foot long, an Avan Jensen./ Massive thing, nice looking he bought it 10 years ago new. But his current Jeep is only 18 months old. It is not here at the moment, so when he comes home will, find out what model it is.

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 Thanks Ric. The reason I ask is that a quick bit of research shows that late model Jeeps seem to have low GVMs, so therefore they have limited towing capacity, but I look forward to any extra information that you can supply. Cheers

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You have a job ahead of you if you restrict yourself to what is commonly known as "SUV". LC200 cannot tow more than around 3000kg because of low rear axle rating which is NOT remedied by GVM upgrade, despite all the hype.

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 Oh, I was assuming a LC200 V8 2nd hand might be the answer some people would come back with.   On see on some reviews they can tow more than 3.0T, e.g. https://www.drive.com.au/news/2022-toyota-landcruiser-300-series-towing-capacity-by-the-numbers/   ??

Re Utes - I guess Ive never considered them.  Can you get a hard covered enclosure that lock and are water proof?  (E.g. the normal around town use, suitcases, etc)  Theyd give more options for the 2.8T-3.5T family van Im considering

Go for a drive through any CP in Northern WA and count how many LC100 and LC200's there are (1000's), can't speak for all the other states but presume they are all the same from what I have seen on the road.

As you say, a lockable wagon beats a ute any day, unless you want to carry crap in the back. 

LC200 built tough to go anywhere in comfort and safety, most popular tug in Aust.

Cheers Bob

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You have a job ahead of you if you restrict yourself to what is commonly known as "SUV". LC200 cannot tow more than around 3000kg because of low rear axle rating which is NOT remedied by GVM upgrade, despite all the hype.

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 Oh, I was assuming a LC200 V8 2nd hand might be the answer some people would come back with.   On see on some reviews they can tow more than 3.0T, e.g. https://www.drive.com.au/news/2022-toyota-landcruiser-300-series-towing-capacity-by-the-numbers/   ??

Re Utes - I guess Ive never considered them.  Can you get a hard covered enclosure that lock and are water proof?  (E.g. the normal around town use, suitcases, etc)  Theyd give more options for the 2.8T-3.5T family van Im considering

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 Seems that you are being very responsible with your choice here. Weights are a very complicated topic for people to understand, but a quick glance shows that the LC300 is even less capable than is the LC200, although its apparent carrying capacity is greater. If safety is of any concern always the weight on the wheels of the car should be at least 10% more than the weight on the wheels of the van but you'll never get that on a 200 or a 300. GVM upgrades do little but allow more weight in the car, and are great if you plan to use the car as a tourer, but do next to nothing when the car is to be used to tow a heavy van. Always the problem is the lightweight rear axle which on the 200 is 1950kg as standard, but you can spend thousands on a GVM upgrade to increase that to 2000kg. Waste of time. There are other VERY expensive GVM upgrades which increase rear axle capacity a little more, but still nowhere near enough. Utes. Since you've asked I will tell you that none of the popular twin-cab utes can safely tow much more than 3000kg, depending on model. The BIG Yank Tanks like Ram 2500 and Silverado etc will do the job, but cost big dollars. Despite all the hype and sales spiel, the Ram 1500 cannot safely tow much more than 3000kg, again because of the rear axle rating, which is lower than most of the popular twin-cab utes. Beware. My ute is a Landcruiser VDJ79R which has a factory rear axle rating of 2300kg so absolutely no trouble safely towing 3500kg. It has an 8'x6'  (2400x1800mm) fully sealed aluminium canopy so NO dust or rain gets into it. A few months ago I got into a spot of bother in a bit of a mudhole, with water 600mm up above the tray at the back, but NO water got into the canopy. It has full length opening doors on the sides, but nothing at the rear as that is where dust penetrates. Scupper vents pressurise the canopy when the car is moving. Anyway, enough for now, but be VERY careful with your choice. Cheers

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yobarr wrote:

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You have a job ahead of you if you restrict yourself to what is commonly known as "SUV". LC200 cannot tow more than around 3000kg because of low rear axle rating which is NOT remedied by GVM upgrade, despite all the hype.

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 Oh, I was assuming a LC200 V8 2nd hand might be the answer some people would come back with.   On see on some reviews they can tow more than 3.0T, e.g. https://www.drive.com.au/news/2022-toyota-landcruiser-300-series-towing-capacity-by-the-numbers/   ??

Re Utes - I guess Ive never considered them.  Can you get a hard covered enclosure that lock and are water proof?  (E.g. the normal around town use, suitcases, etc)  Theyd give more options for the 2.8T-3.5T family van Im considering

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 Seems that you are being very responsible with your choice here. Weights are a very complicated topic for people to understand, but a quick glance shows that the LC300 is even less capable than is the LC200, although its apparent carrying capacity is greater. If safety is of any concern always the weight on the wheels of the car should be at least 10% more than the weight on the wheels of the van but you'll never get that on a 200 or a 300. GVM upgrades do little but allow more weight in the car, and are great if you plan to use the car as a tourer, but do next to nothing when the car is to be used to tow a heavy van. Always the problem is the lightweight rear axle which on the 200 is 1950kg as standard, but you can spend thousands on a GVM upgrade to increase that to 2000kg. Waste of time. There are other VERY expensive GVM upgrades which increase rear axle capacity a little more, but still nowhere near enough. Utes. Since you've asked I will tell you that none of the popular twin-cab utes can safely tow much more than 3000kg, depending on model. The BIG Yank Tanks like Ram 2500 and Silverado etc will do the job, but cost big dollars. Despite all the hype and sales spiel, the Ram 1500 cannot safely tow much more than 3000kg, again because of the rear axle rating, which is lower than most of the popular twin-cab utes. Beware. My ute is a Landcruiser VDJ79R which has a factory rear axle rating of 2300kg so absolutely no trouble safely towing 3500kg. It has an 8'x6'  (2400x1800mm) fully sealed aluminium canopy so NO dust or rain gets into it. A few months ago I got into a spot of bother in a bit of a mudhole, with water 600mm up above the tray at the back, but NO water got into the canopy. It has full length opening doors on the sides, but nothing at the rear as that is where dust penetrates. Scupper vents pressurise the canopy when the car is moving. Anyway, enough for now, but be VERY careful with your choice. Cheers

Yobarr, 

genuine question re the 70 series Towing and its setup.

I accept it can comfortably handle 3500kg as a towing vehicle, as well as the shortcomings of other vehicles rated to that tow weight. 

My question relates to the fact the rear track is some 95mm less than the front axle, and I have read some commentary that suggests that can be an issue especially in soft off-road conditions.

I know it can be addressed with a replacement after market rear axle, have seen comments it can be done by different offset wheels, and suppose there may also be after market spacers to do the job. 

Do you think this issue needs to be addressed prior to towing, whether on bitumen, dirt or off-road conditions? 

I have just never seen this discussed with respect to towing.

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yobarr wrote:

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You have a job ahead of you if you restrict yourself to what is commonly known as "SUV". LC200 cannot tow more than around 3000kg because of low rear axle rating which is NOT remedied by GVM upgrade, despite all the hype.

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 Oh, I was assuming a LC200 V8 2nd hand might be the answer some people would come back with.   On see on some reviews they can tow more than 3.0T, e.g. https://www.drive.com.au/news/2022-toyota-landcruiser-300-series-towing-capacity-by-the-numbers/   ??

Re Utes - I guess Ive never considered them.  Can you get a hard covered enclosure that lock and are water proof?  (E.g. the normal around town use, suitcases, etc)  Theyd give more options for the 2.8T-3.5T family van Im considering

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 Seems that you are being very responsible with your choice here. Weights are a very complicated topic for people to understand, but a quick glance shows that the LC300 is even less capable than is the LC200, although its apparent carrying capacity is greater. If safety is of any concern always the weight on the wheels of the car should be at least 10% more than the weight on the wheels of the van but you'll never get that on a 200 or a 300. GVM upgrades do little but allow more weight in the car, and are great if you plan to use the car as a tourer, but do next to nothing when the car is to be used to tow a heavy van. Always the problem is the lightweight rear axle which on the 200 is 1950kg as standard, but you can spend thousands on a GVM upgrade to increase that to 2000kg. Waste of time. There are other VERY expensive GVM upgrades which increase rear axle capacity a little more, but still nowhere near enough. Utes. Since you've asked I will tell you that none of the popular twin-cab utes can safely tow much more than 3000kg, depending on model. The BIG Yank Tanks like Ram 2500 and Silverado etc will do the job, but cost big dollars. Despite all the hype and sales spiel, the Ram 1500 cannot safely tow much more than 3000kg, again because of the rear axle rating, which is lower than most of the popular twin-cab utes. Beware. My ute is a Landcruiser VDJ79R which has a factory rear axle rating of 2300kg so absolutely no trouble safely towing 3500kg. It has an 8'x6'  (2400x1800mm) fully sealed aluminium canopy so NO dust or rain gets into it. A few months ago I got into a spot of bother in a bit of a mudhole, with water 600mm up above the tray at the back, but NO water got into the canopy. It has full length opening doors on the sides, but nothing at the rear as that is where dust penetrates. Scupper vents pressurise the canopy when the car is moving. Anyway, enough for now, but be VERY careful with your choice. Cheers

Yobarr, 

genuine question re the 70 series Towing and its setup.

I accept it can comfortably handle 3500kg as a towing vehicle, as well as the shortcomings of other vehicles rated to that tow weight. 

My question relates to the fact the rear track is some 95mm less than the front axle, and I have read some commentary that suggests that can be an issue especially in soft off-road conditions.

I know it can be addressed with a replacement after market rear axle, have seen comments it can be done by different offset wheels, and suppose there may also be after market spacers to do the job. 

Do you think this issue needs to be addressed prior to towing, whether on bitumen, dirt or off-road conditions? 

I have just never seen this discussed with respect to towing.

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 Hi Ian. Good question, but the track difference is understood by few. The rear track is fractionally MORE than it has been on hundreds of thousands of Landcruisers over many years, while the front track was increased to fit the little V8 in the engine bay. People who don't understand physics suggest that this makes the car less stable, but that cannot be. If the front track is greater than it originally was, and the rear track is slightly wider, the car will obviously be less likely to roll over. Bigger "footprint" if you like. With my 3500kg van, in general towing on bitumen, metal roads and dirt tracks there is no problem at all, and in slow going off road all is good too. Things do get a bit interesting without the van, however, in sand or mud where the wheels break the surface, but nothing that a competent driver can't handle! When building my car I did look at the various track-widening options, but I was concerned that since I consistently run 2300kg on the rear axle the extra length would create too much "leverage" on the wheel bearings, so I left it as it was. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! There is an option, I believe, to put the wider rear diff out of an LC105 into the 79, but too much hassle for me! The important thing to remember is that the rear axle is actually slightly wider than it was for hundreds of thousands of earlier Landcruisers. And they didn't fall over! Cheers

Yobarr posted: (paraphrase) "Caravan dealers should tell customers only tow with a vehicle 25% heaver than van."

This is the accepted wisdom but... given that many vans nowadays weigh around 3T loaded where are we going to find a tow vehicle which weighs 3.75T?

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Well, I am guess ing weight of the van, it is 22 foot long, an Avan Jensen./ Massive thing, nice looking he bought it 10 years ago new. But his current Jeep is only 18 months old. It is not here at the moment, so when he comes home will, find out what model it is.

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 Thanks Ric. The reason I ask is that a quick bit of research shows that late model Jeeps seem to have low GVMs, so therefore they have limited towing capacity, but I look forward to any extra information that you can supply. Cheers

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 The vehicle is a Jeep Grand  Cherokee, but the top of the line model. Looks fairly fancy and modern shape. It has the Mercedes engine and gearbox. 3500kg  towing cap. And his van weighs 2700kg fully loaded. The car cost $86000.

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Load the tray up with bricks and old car batteries Mike.

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 That is what truck drivers do in order to be legal  ........ballast on the tray if they do not have a load and are towing a loaded trailer.  KB

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 That is what truck drivers do in order to be legal  ........ballast on the tray if they do not have a load and are towing a loaded trailer.  KB

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 Hang on a mo' - what about global warming and all the excess energy I'd use?

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Curious to know what tow vehicle make/mode/year (likely 2nd hand no doubt) would people go for to tow a 2800-3500kg caravan, but with a good amount of payload left for the vehicle (after GVM/GCM/Towball etc calcs).  Assuming budget of $50k-$80k.

Landcruiser 200 series holding their value well, so wondering what else people would consider from a value for money.   Also dont want Ute really, just SUV I think.  Understand there would be compromise re final caravan ATM and vehicle payload.  

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You have a job ahead of you if you restrict yourself to what is commonly known as "SUV". LC200 cannot tow more than around 3000kg because of low rear axle rating which is NOT remedied by GVM upgrade, despite all the hype. Bit busy at moment, but will try to help later. Cheers

P.S Excellent car is Nissan Patrol Y62, big, powerful, luxurious(?) relatively cheap. BUT petrol only.

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 LC200 rated at 3500kg  towing. Nothing to do with low rear axle. Check the spec.

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If you knew anything about how tow ratings are given, you probably would not have made this comment?  This has been covered extensively on this forum, and many times I have explained the figures. If you use the "search" button you will uncover many posts where it all is clearly explained.. Rear axle is rated at a miserable 1950kg and a 350kg towball weight (10% of 3500kg ATM) applies well over 500kg to that axle. Game over. Tow ratings are for a DOG trailer where there is almost zero weight on the car's towbar. Cheers

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 I own an LC200 so do many others who are and have been towing in excess of the 1950kg you posted. No issues. If there were issues of any kind it would've been well documented.

Certainly nothing on the LCOOL forum. I suppose you don't think that forum is any good.

Anything posted on this forum (Greynomads) that requires a hint of technical knowhow is to be taken with a grain of salt. Lots of know it alls and have beens. Back in the days when I was

a young bloke.... and so it goes on. The boffins at Toyota would NOT release a vehicle rated at 3500kg towing capacity with a false claim.

You may know a lot but this is one vehicle you know little about. Another case of wanting to look like an expert. To quote Clint Eastwood " a man's got to know his limitations".

Toyota Landcruiser LC200 is yours. Stick to what you actually know and not assume to know. You know what happens when you ASS U ME.

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Curious to know what tow vehicle make/mode/year (likely 2nd hand no doubt) would people go for to tow a 2800-3500kg caravan, but with a good amount of payload left for the vehicle (after GVM/GCM/Towball etc calcs).  Assuming budget of $50k-$80k.

Landcruiser 200 series holding their value well, so wondering what else people would consider from a value for money.   Also dont want Ute really, just SUV I think.  Understand there would be compromise re final caravan ATM and vehicle payload.  

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You have a job ahead of you if you restrict yourself to what is commonly known as "SUV". LC200 cannot tow more than around 3000kg because of low rear axle rating which is NOT remedied by GVM upgrade, despite all the hype. Bit busy at moment, but will try to help later. Cheers

P.S Excellent car is Nissan Patrol Y62, big, powerful, luxurious(?) relatively cheap. BUT petrol only.

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 LC200 rated at 3500kg  towing. Nothing to do with low rear axle. Check the spec.

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If you knew anything about how tow ratings are given, you probably would not have made this comment?  This has been covered extensively on this forum, and many times I have explained the figures. If you use the "search" button you will uncover many posts where it all is clearly explained.. Rear axle is rated at a miserable 1950kg and a 350kg towball weight (10% of 3500kg ATM) applies well over 500kg to that axle. Game over. Tow ratings are for a DOG trailer where there is almost zero weight on the car's towbar. Cheers

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 I own an LC200 so do many others who are and have been towing in excess of the 1950kg you posted. No issues. If there were issues of any kind it would've been well documented.

Certainly nothing on the LCOOL forum. I suppose you don't think that forum is any good.

Anything posted on this forum (Greynomads) that requires a hint of technical knowhow is to be taken with a grain of salt. Lots of know it alls and have beens. Back in the days when I was

a young bloke.... and so it goes on. The boffins at Toyota would NOT release a vehicle rated at 3500kg towing capacity with a false claim.

You may know a lot but this is one vehicle you know little about. Another case of wanting to look like an expert. To quote Clint Eastwood " a man's got to know his limitations".

Toyota Landcruiser LC200 is yours. Stick to what you actually know and not assume to know. You know what happens when you ASS U ME.

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 LC200 -  useable and legal  towing  a  Pig trailer (Caravan) of around 3000Kg. - no more.  In these cases it is not about the weight that you are towing but the weight that is on the towball  being transferred forward and magnified (due to overhang)   on to the rear axle of the Tow vehicle. The limits of the rear axle of many (probably most)  vehicles (on the Aust. market)  used to tow  Aust. style caravans is met and exceeded very easily once the caravan behind is in the 3000Kg to 3500Kg range.   KB

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I'm off to Bunnings to buy bucket loads of herbs :)

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Curious to know what tow vehicle make/mode/year (likely 2nd hand no doubt) would people go for to tow a 2800-3500kg caravan, but with a good amount of payload left for the vehicle (after GVM/GCM/Towball etc calcs).  Assuming budget of $50k-$80k.

Landcruiser 200 series holding their value well, so wondering what else people would consider from a value for money.   Also dont want Ute really, just SUV I think.  Understand there would be compromise re final caravan ATM and vehicle payload.  

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You have a job ahead of you if you restrict yourself to what is commonly known as "SUV". LC200 cannot tow more than around 3000kg because of low rear axle rating which is NOT remedied by GVM upgrade, despite all the hype. Bit busy at moment, but will try to help later. Cheers

P.S Excellent car is Nissan Patrol Y62, big, powerful, luxurious(?) relatively cheap. BUT petrol only.

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If you knew anything about how tow ratings are given, you probably would not have made this comment?  This has been covered extensively on this forum, and many times I have explained the figures. If you use the "search" button you will uncover many posts where it all is clearly explained.. Rear axle is rated at a miserable 1950kg and a 350kg towball weight (10% of 3500kg ATM) applies well over 500kg to that axle. Game over. Tow ratings are for a DOG trailer where there is almost zero weight on the car's towbar. Cheers

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 I own an LC200 so do many others who are and have been towing in in excess of the 1950kg you posted. No issues. If there were issues of any kind it would've been well documented.

Certainly nothing on the LCOOL forum. I suppose you don't think that forum is any good.

Anything posted on this forum (Greynomadsread ) that requires a hint of technical knowhow is to be taken with a grain of salt. Lots of know it alls and have beens. Back in the days when I was a young bloke.... and so it goes on. The boffins at Toyota would NOT release a vehicle rated at 3500kg towing capacity with a false claim.

You may know a lot but this is one vehicle you know little about. Another case of wanting to look like an expert. To quote Clint Eastwood " a man's got to know his limitations".

Toyota Landcruiser LC200 is yours. Stick to what you actually know and not assume to know. You know what happens when you ASS U ME.

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 You seem to have totally misunderstood my post, probably because you haven't actually read it? . NEVER have I posted that an LC200 can tow only 1950kg. Never. The 1950kg referred to is the maximum weight carrying capacity of the  rear axle. This is the LC200s biggest problem, and is understood by few, but it restricts the maximum ATM that can safely be towed to around 3000kg if the trailer (van) is a  PIG trailer, which probably more than 99% of vans  are? A 3500kg van with the generally accepted 10% towball weight applies well over 500kg (maybe 550kg) to the car's rear axle. Game over. People spend big dollars on the most popular GVM upgrade, and increase rear axle carrying capacity to 2000kg. A miserable 50kg gain, and it costs thousands. Spare me. You are entitled to be confused, but never have I posted anything that I cannot prove to be true. If ever I post something that is no more than an opinion I will qualify it by something like "I believe" or "I understand". Hope this helps clear your confusion. Cheers

P.S Tow ratings are for a DOG trailer, where there is almost zero weight on the car's towbar.

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 Although the Amorak is undoubtedly a great vehicle, Andrew, it has only a 6000kg GCM so there is NO WAY that it can safely tow much more than about 3000kg as a PIG trailer. (Van) Maximum towball weight is only 300kg so that restricts things, although it does have 1930kg rear axle, much more than most of the other popular twin-cabs. This means that there is capacity to carry goods in the tray to help reach the GVM of 3080kg. Good car but not to tow 3500kg. Cheers

The only standard type car which approaches your 2800-3500 kg limits is a Nissan Patrol Y62. GCM of 7000 kg, GVM of 3500 Kg. Very powerful 5.6 litre V8 petrol engine. Max rear axle mass of 2050 kg. Very spacious inside and very comfortable. Most people report its a breeze towing 3500 kg caravans but Im not sure this would be safe according to mass calculations.

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The only standard type car which approaches your 2800-3500 kg limits is a Nissan Patrol Y62. GCM of 7000 kg, GVM of 3500 Kg. Very powerful 5.6 litre V8 petrol engine. Max rear axle mass of 2050 kg. Very spacious inside and very comfortable. Most people report its a breeze towing 3500 kg caravans but Im not sure this would be safe according to mass calculations.

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 Hi Derek. All is good as it can safely tow a 3500kg van because of its 7000kg GCM. Depending on model, it is likely to lose 130kg from the GVM when towing 3500kg, but we still get impressive figures of a 3150kg GTM van behind a car that can potentially weigh 3370kg, giving total weight on wheels of 6520kg. Impressive!  This car was suggested by me in a post at 11.56am on 26/5, but the downside is that it is PETROL only. If that is not of concern, the Y62 is a magnificent vehicle, much more capable than is an LC200, and relatively cheap. Great value too. Cheers

Yobar that is correct hence I never load my van to be more than 3000kg even though it is rated at 3500kg. OP did say 2800  to 3500  so just offering an alternative in that price range. 

Cheers Stretch