A E M O at last shows some intestianal fortitude and stops most of the b s that has been allowed to accumulate. Told energy providors to pull their heads in and get one with providing electricty and gas. I hope they stay with it.
deverall11 said
03:00 PM Jun 16, 2022
Had a policy when Turnbull was in charge. It had bi-partisan supoort.
What did they do? Got rid of Turnbull and shelved the policy.
Look at the mess we're in now.
Big thank you ScoMo and you mates
Ivan 01 said
03:13 PM Jun 16, 2022
deverall11 wrote:
Had a policy when Turnbull was in charge. It had bi-partisan supoort. What did they do? Got rid of Turnbull and shelved the policy. Look at the mess we're in now. Big thank you ScoMo and you mates
It appears that you and some others have great difficulty in sensibly discussing anything without bringing politics into it.
This is why politics are against rules on most public forums.
With politics there is always a * them and us*
In this country those numbers generally fall into the 50 / 50 split therefore no consensus will ever be achieved.
See the point??
Ivan 01 said
03:21 PM Jun 16, 2022
Back to the op.
Heading recklessly down the renewable track without any working example from others to follow has left us on the track to becoming a third world country with regard to having any base line power.
Any hiccup in supply from our base line sources leaves us extremely vulnerable.
Gundog said
03:37 PM Jun 16, 2022
https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/
Heres a link to the realtime power production and demand of electricty
deverall11 said
05:43 PM Jun 16, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
deverall11 wrote:
Had a policy when Turnbull was in charge. It had bi-partisan supoort. What did they do? Got rid of Turnbull and shelved the policy. Look at the mess we're in now. Big thank you ScoMo and you mates
It appears that you and some others have great difficulty in sensibly discussing anything without bringing politics into it.
This is why politics are against rules on most public forums.
With politics there is always a * them and us*
In this country those numbers generally fall into the 50 / 50 split therefore no consensus will ever be achieved.
See the point??
Just simply pointing out how we got here. See the point????? Actually in the last election it was more like 30/30/30 give or take. See that point.
BTW I do not lean towards one or the other. Politics or not, we have had a pack of self centred, self serving idiots running the country for the last
ten years. This is the mess we are in. See the point?
Ivan 01 said
06:12 PM Jun 16, 2022
The point is you have no sensible input so you are resorting to turning the replies into a political argument.
peter67 said
06:12 PM Jun 16, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
Back to the op.
Heading recklessly down the renewable track without any working example from others to follow has left us on the track to becoming a third world country with regard to having any base line power.
Any hiccup in supply from our base line sources leaves us extremely vulnerable.
Summed up very nicely.
Hylife said
09:15 PM Jun 16, 2022
Craig1 wrote:
A E M O at last shows some intestianal fortitude and stops most of the b s that has been allowed to accumulate. Told energy providors to pull their heads in and get one with providing electricty and gas. I hope they stay with it.
Ummmmm, nope!
AEMO has agreed to compensate the energy providers for their alleged losses.
In other words, the tax payer/consumer is still paying the energy providers what they asked for in the first place, because the state governments had refused to be extorted into paying.
Gundog said
10:08 PM Jun 16, 2022
I wonder how many of y'all have opened the link I provided to see where distributed power is coming from.
WA nearly all Coal and gas,, Tas hydro and a bit of wind, SA all gas and diesel, Vic, NSW & Qld mostly coal and gas with small amount of hydro and wind
WA is a standalone system
Tas, Vic & Qld are generating more power than they need, NSW & SA need power from state interconnectors.
dorian said
05:18 AM Jun 17, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
The point is you have no sensible input so you are resorting to turning the replies into a political argument.
The fact is that Australia is an energy rich country whose resources have been grossly mismanaged by politicians on both sides. Politics is the root cause of our energy crisis. If the politicians had been able to agree on an energy policy, then the power producers would have been able to plan for the future. In addition to that, politicians on both sides failed to stand up to the energy companies and demand a secure gas supply to shield us from adverse economic events.
The point is you have no sensible input so you are resorting to turning the replies into a political argument.
The fact is that Australia is an energy rich country whose resources have been grossly mismanaged by politicians on both sides. Politics is the root cause of our energy crisis. If the politicians had been able to agree on an energy policy, then the power producers would have been able to plan for the future. In addition to that, politicians on both sides failed to stand up to the energy companies and demand a secure gas supply to shield us from adverse economic events.
I am in support basically of the AEMO if they do as they are directed.
The energy providers have been mismanaged not only by fed govts as most state govts have had their snouts in the trough as well
My comment that you highlighted above is to point out that once again on here, a sensible discussion is so easily turned to a heated argument by stating good or bad of any political party. His input was a waste of his typing.
I would have thought a contributor of your calibre could discuss the topic without introducing the old political chestnut, but I see now that I was wrong.
Try to tell us about something caravanning or camping from your personal experiences next time.
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Friday 17th of June 2022 08:50:20 AM
Magnarc said
09:12 AM Jun 17, 2022
Once you sell off publicly owned entities that are essential to any country, you issue an invitation to Mr Greed to step in and, with him comes lack of proper maintenance, shortcuts in production , taking generators offline in Winter, (saves money) why? because profit is the main motivator of all private companies. It is my humble opinion that the powers that be should take back into public hands these essential utilities.
Who was in power when these decisions were taken is not relevant right now. It is what it is. How many times in the past, have parties of all political persuasions, had to sort out bad decisions taken by the previous lot? The cost of nationalisation might well be a high one, but the future benefits of having a secure energy grid, would surely outweigh that? The recent addition to the French coffers would have gone a long way to achieving this.
Just sayin.
Clarky 1 said
09:17 AM Jun 17, 2022
Magnarc wrote:
Once you sell off publicly owned entities that are essential to any country, you issue an invitation to Mr Greed to step in and, with him comes lack of proper maintenance, shortcuts in production , taking generators offline in Winter, (saves money) why? because profit is the main motivator of all private companies. It is my humble opinion that the powers that be should take back into public hands these essential utilities.
Who was in power when these decisions were taken is not relevant right now. It is what it is. How many times in the past, have parties of all political persuasions, had to sort out bad decisions taken by the previous lot? The cost of nationalisation might well be a high one, but the future benefits of having a secure energy grid, would surely outweigh that? The recent addition to the French coffers would have gone a long way to achieving this.
Just sayin.
A great post Magnarc
Such common sense from a forum member.
I dont think anyone can add any more to be more practical toward our looming power crisis.
Sorry cannot get a proper link, but if interested to try Financial Reveiw pagewhich says there is a convulated process, however I beleive we would be sitting in the dark if they had not stepped in.
Thanks for pointing it out -Hylife
-- Edited by Craig1 on Friday 17th of June 2022 10:05:20 AM
-- Edited by Craig1 on Friday 17th of June 2022 10:05:56 AM
Jaahn said
10:30 AM Jun 17, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
Back to the op.
Heading recklessly down the renewable track without any working example from others to follow has left us on the track to becoming a third world country with regard to having any base line power.
Any hiccup in supply from our base line sources leaves us extremely vulnerable.
Hmm IMHO and from experts in that field there is no shortage of power currently. Possibly not much excess to be fair but no shortage.
The hiccup currently has been caused by the privatised generators of all types 'gaming' the rules to maximise the returns. If they refuse to supply and AEMO orders them to supply then they can demand very large prices and negotiate later. The prices can be x100+ more than normal prices !! Any sensible person can see that is ripping us off and we consumers will pay more !
The renewable suppliers are doing it, just as are the base load suppliers. So why blame the renewables. The vunerabiity is caused by the rulemakers who should have set limits and planned for these occasions. but had their head in the sand.
And ultimately we/us generally as someone put the ticks in the boxes to keep them in power. Possibly a change currently will help instead of bleating about renewables being the cause They are the answer combined with storage. Hey just like most caravanners do !!
jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Friday 17th of June 2022 10:32:45 AM
-- Edited by Jaahn on Friday 17th of June 2022 10:34:32 AM
Gundog said
11:06 AM Jun 17, 2022
There is a big inequiety in solar power from homes I have 2 friends in SA that have solar one get a feed in tarrif of 11 cents/32 cents grid use, in Nov 11/36 and recently it changed to 12/41, the other mate is 8/40.
There are rumblings in WA that home solar is causing issues with system because the feed in from home solar cannot be regulated, Qld Courier Mail had a story that they are considering charging home solar for the feed in, I could not read the full story as it behind a pay wall. one comment suggested that home owners should rush to get a battery, and change their system so there is no feed in, this story and push could be a battery mob using a scare campain to increase sales.
Buzz Lightbulb said
11:42 AM Jun 17, 2022
Gundog wrote:
https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/
Heres a link to the realtime power production and demand of electricty
I can't open that hypertext link. Could you please provide a summary?
P.S. I see that you've posted the image. Thank you.
-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Friday 17th of June 2022 11:49:53 AM
Buzz Lightbulb said
11:46 AM Jun 17, 2022
Magnarc wrote:
Once you sell off publicly owned entities that are essential to any country, you issue an invitation to Mr Greed to step in and, with him comes lack of proper maintenance, shortcuts in production , taking generators offline in Winter, (saves money) why? because profit is the main motivator of all private companies. It is my humble opinion that the powers that be should take back into public hands these essential utilities.
Who was in power when these decisions were taken is not relevant right now. It is what it is. How many times in the past, have parties of all political persuasions, had to sort out bad decisions taken by the previous lot? The cost of nationalisation might well be a high one, but the future benefits of having a secure energy grid, would surely outweigh that? The recent addition to the French coffers would have gone a long way to achieving this.
Just sayin.
So true and very well said without, in my opinion, insulting other people on the forum. Well done.
Gundog said
12:22 PM Jun 17, 2022
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Gundog wrote:
https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/
Heres a link to the realtime power production and demand of electricty
I can't open that hypertext link. Could you please provide a summary?
P.S. I see that you've posted the image. Thank you.
-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Friday 17th of June 2022 11:49:53 AM
Just cut and paste link into web browser, bookmark it and then anytime day or night you can see where power is bein dispatched
Basically the colored bar is the amount of power being generated from it source Black/Brown Coal, Red Gas, Purple Diesel, Blue Hydro, Green Wind, orange/yellow Solar and the lighter purple is battery.
The Grey bar is the demand some of the bar will colored Blue is Hydro Pumping, Light Purple is Battery charging, I'm unsure what the Yellow its said to be Demand that AEMO cannot see.
Ivan 01 said
12:33 PM Jun 17, 2022
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Gundog wrote:
https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/
Heres a link to the realtime power production and demand of electricty
I can't open that hypertext link. Could you please provide a summary?
P.S. I see that you've posted the image. Thank you.
-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Friday 17th of June 2022 11:49:53 AM
Lets hope the other states see the value of not following SA
SA pays a penalty to use heavy reliance on renewables SA has the highest periods of power outages.
From Gundogs graph note the battery percentage of SA.
It has been said before that SA take the power from the grid as indicated by the Grey scale and then the consumers pay a premium even though they supposedly have renewables in operation.
It is at least, pleasing to see that most of the other states arent that stupid.
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Friday 17th of June 2022 12:35:02 PM
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Friday 17th of June 2022 12:36:21 PM
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Friday 17th of June 2022 12:41:18 PM
Once you sell off publicly owned entities that are essential to any country, you issue an invitation to Mr Greed to step in and, with him comes lack of proper maintenance, shortcuts in production , taking generators offline in Winter, (saves money) why? because profit is the main motivator of all private companies. It is my humble opinion that the powers that be should take back into public hands these essential utilities.
Who was in power when these decisions were taken is not relevant right now. It is what it is. How many times in the past, have parties of all political persuasions, had to sort out bad decisions taken by the previous lot? The cost of nationalisation might well be a high one, but the future benefits of having a secure energy grid, would surely outweigh that? The recent addition to the French coffers would have gone a long way to achieving this.
Just sayin.
So true. An additional question/remark. How come the whole planet is suffering exactly the same issues. Not only with energy but everything. Can't all be due to Russia and the Ukraine. We need to secure all our resources for our own use.
Ivan 01 said
12:43 PM Jun 17, 2022
We need to secure all our resources for our own use.
A true a word has never been spoken
Wanda said
04:14 PM Jun 17, 2022
deverall11 wrote:
Ivan 01 wrote:
deverall11 wrote:
Had a policy when Turnbull was in charge. It had bi-partisan supoort. What did they do? Got rid of Turnbull and shelved the policy. Look at the mess we're in now. Big thank you ScoMo and you mates
It appears that you and some others have great difficulty in sensibly discussing anything without bringing politics into it.
This is why politics are against rules on most public forums.
With politics there is always a * them and us*
In this country those numbers generally fall into the 50 / 50 split therefore no consensus will ever be achieved.
See the point??
Just simply pointing out how we got here. See the point????? Actually in the last election it was more like 30/30/30 give or take. See that point.
BTW I do not lean towards one or the other. Politics or not, we have had a pack of self centred, self serving idiots running the country for the last
ten years. This is the mess we are in. See the point?
This is what we need to guard against. Bitter Springs. I first discovered of Bitter Springs in about 2012. Then I returned in 2018 and though it was still as magical it had become less natural and more contrived. The pool itself contained more algae and you couldn't see the bottom. Why can't the greedy exploiters leave natural wonders alone. Now they are talking of regulating the flow of the water through issuing water extraction licences and managing the water levels of the aquifers.. Fracking comes into it. More greed. science backed as well. Ha.! The water was flowing freely for hundreds of years without drying up. Outback towns like Walgett didn't have to beg people for bottled water, there was always plenty. Hmmm wonderful water management Hey?
So if you want to get a glimpse of what this beautiful place looked liked in its natural state you had better go quickly I fear it is all about to be lost to greed.
This is what we need to guard against. Bitter Springs. I first discovered of Bitter Springs in about 2012. Then I returned in 2018 and though it was still as magical it had become less natural and more contrived. The pool itself contained more algae and you couldn't see the bottom. Why can't the greedy exploiters leave natural wonders alone. Now they are talking of regulating the flow of the water through issuing water extraction licences and managing the water levels of the aquifers.. Fracking comes into it. More greed. science backed as well. Ha.! The water was flowing freely for hundreds of years without drying up. Outback towns like Walgett didn't have to beg people for bottled water, there was always plenty. Hmmm wonderful water management Hey?
So if you want to get a glimpse of what this beautiful place looked liked in its natural state you had better go quickly I fear it is all about to be lost to greed.
So what is this an attempted highjack of a thread about energy security, not another lefty rant.
Do you not understand that this rush to hog tie base load power in pursuit of highly suspect renewable power, that would need to at least increase the amount of wind, solar and batteries by more than 400% just to sustain day time consumption, the pursuit to zero is a folly for Australia.
msg said
12:36 PM Jun 18, 2022
Angry grumpy old men. I can do without them. If you think about it this thread refers to the fact that it is not only a base load power issue it is connected to all of Australia's natural resources. Regardless, the issue with base load power is GREEDY EXPLOITERS and how they want to switch to gas and fracking for gas is one of these. Fracking for gas is destroying natural resources all over the country. Bitter Springs will be the next.
The problem is that these GREEDY EXPLOITERS have sold off our energy to the highest bidder from overseas (because these companies are owned by large overseas investors) with forward contracts and there is none left for domestic purposes. They then are looking for additional resources to supply the domestic market no matter where they can find it. Like Bitter Springs. Just like everything else. Meat, fish, water. Until we put AUSTRALIA first, we will end up with nothing and not even a big pile of money to compensate us.
-- Edited by msg on Saturday 18th of June 2022 12:44:18 PM
Gundog said
12:55 PM Jun 18, 2022
msg wrote:
Angry grumpy old men. I can do without them. If you think about it this thread refers to the fact that it is not only a base load power issue it is connected to all of Australia's natural resources. Regardless, the issue with base load power is GREEDY EXPLOITERS and how they want to switch to gas and fracking for gas is one of these. Fracking for gas is destroying natural resources all over the country. Bitter Springs will be the next.
The problem is that these GREEDY EXPLOITERS have sold off our energy to the highest bidder from overseas (because these companies are owned by large overseas investors) with forward contracts and there is none left for domestic purposes. They then are looking for additional resources to supply the domestic market no matter where they can find it. Like Bitter Springs. Just like everything else. Meat, fish, water. Until we put AUSTRALIA first, we will end up with nothing and not even a big pile of money to compensate us.
-- Edited by msg on Saturday 18th of June 2022 12:44:18 PM
The reduction of base load power has nothing to do with you perceived statement, the fact is we are loosing base load power by green tree hugging climate change collective desire to take Australia down a peg or two to appease the UN.
Micro grids in outback Australia predominatly run on diesel generators, where home solar system are not encouraged to connect to the mico grid because it causes problems.
msg said
01:16 PM Jun 18, 2022
Gundog wrote:
The reduction of base load power has nothing to do with you perceived statement, the fact is we are loosing base load power by green tree hugging climate change collective desire to take Australia down a peg or two to appease the UN.
Micro grids in outback Australia predominatly run on diesel generators, where home solar system are not encouraged to connect to the mico grid because it causes problems.
Base load power does not depend on the micro grid.(as you call it) You would be mad to think the micro grid could/would supply industry and essential services like hospitals and traffic lights etc. Home solar input causes spikes and upsets the grid. i.e. the input of power makes the smooth constant supply of electricity difficult. However, if we didn't have those forward contracts we could switch more electricity to the grid when needed.
A E M O at last shows some intestianal fortitude and stops most of the b s that has been allowed to accumulate. Told energy providors to pull their heads in and get one with providing electricty and gas. I hope they stay with it.
What did they do? Got rid of Turnbull and shelved the policy.
Look at the mess we're in now.
Big thank you ScoMo and you mates
It appears that you and some others have great difficulty in sensibly discussing anything without bringing politics into it.
This is why politics are against rules on most public forums.
With politics there is always a * them and us*
In this country those numbers generally fall into the 50 / 50 split therefore no consensus will ever be achieved.
See the point??
Back to the op.
Heading recklessly down the renewable track without any working example from others to follow has left us on the track to becoming a third world country with regard to having any base line power.
Any hiccup in supply from our base line sources leaves us extremely vulnerable.
https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/
Heres a link to the realtime power production and demand of electricty
Just simply pointing out how we got here. See the point????? Actually in the last election it was more like 30/30/30 give or take. See that point.
BTW I do not lean towards one or the other. Politics or not, we have had a pack of self centred, self serving idiots running the country for the last
ten years. This is the mess we are in. See the point?
Summed up very nicely.
Ummmmm, nope!
AEMO has agreed to compensate the energy providers for their alleged losses.
In other words, the tax payer/consumer is still paying the energy providers what they asked for in the first place, because the state governments had refused to be extorted into paying.
I wonder how many of y'all have opened the link I provided to see where distributed power is coming from.
WA nearly all Coal and gas,, Tas hydro and a bit of wind, SA all gas and diesel, Vic, NSW & Qld mostly coal and gas with small amount of hydro and wind
WA is a standalone system
Tas, Vic & Qld are generating more power than they need, NSW & SA need power from state interconnectors.
The fact is that Australia is an energy rich country whose resources have been grossly mismanaged by politicians on both sides. Politics is the root cause of our energy crisis. If the politicians had been able to agree on an energy policy, then the power producers would have been able to plan for the future. In addition to that, politicians on both sides failed to stand up to the energy companies and demand a secure gas supply to shield us from adverse economic events.
I am in support basically of the AEMO if they do as they are directed.
The energy providers have been mismanaged not only by fed govts as most state govts have had their snouts in the trough as well
My comment that you highlighted above is to point out that once again on here, a sensible discussion is so easily turned to a heated argument by stating good or bad of any political party. His input was a waste of his typing.
I would have thought a contributor of your calibre could discuss the topic without introducing the old political chestnut, but I see now that I was wrong.
Try to tell us about something caravanning or camping from your personal experiences next time.
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Friday 17th of June 2022 08:50:20 AM
Once you sell off publicly owned entities that are essential to any country, you issue an invitation to Mr Greed to step in and, with him comes lack of proper maintenance, shortcuts in production , taking generators offline in Winter, (saves money) why? because profit is the main motivator of all private companies. It is my humble opinion that the powers that be should take back into public hands these essential utilities.
Who was in power when these decisions were taken is not relevant right now. It is what it is. How many times in the past, have parties of all political persuasions, had to sort out bad decisions taken by the previous lot? The cost of nationalisation might well be a high one, but the future benefits of having a secure energy grid, would surely outweigh that? The recent addition to the French coffers would have gone a long way to achieving this.
Just sayin.
A great post Magnarc
Such common sense from a forum member.
I dont think anyone can add any more to be more practical toward our looming power crisis.
www.afr.com/companies/energy/customers-to-pick-up-tab-for-generator-compensation-20220614-
Sorry cannot get a proper link, but if interested to try Financial Reveiw pagewhich says there is a convulated process, however I beleive we would be sitting in the dark if they had not stepped in.
Thanks for pointing it out -Hylife
-- Edited by Craig1 on Friday 17th of June 2022 10:05:20 AM
-- Edited by Craig1 on Friday 17th of June 2022 10:05:56 AM
Hmm IMHO and from experts in that field there is no shortage of power currently. Possibly not much excess to be fair but no shortage.
The hiccup currently has been caused by the privatised generators of all types 'gaming' the rules to maximise the returns. If they refuse to supply and AEMO orders them to supply then they can demand very large prices and negotiate later. The prices can be x100+ more than normal prices !! Any sensible person can see that is ripping us off and we consumers will pay more !
The renewable suppliers are doing it, just as are the base load suppliers. So why blame the renewables. The vunerabiity is caused by the rulemakers who should have set limits and planned for these occasions. but had their head in the sand.
And ultimately we/us generally as someone put the ticks in the boxes to keep them in power. Possibly a change currently will help instead of bleating about renewables being the cause
They are the answer combined with storage. Hey just like most caravanners do !! 
jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Friday 17th of June 2022 10:32:45 AM
-- Edited by Jaahn on Friday 17th of June 2022 10:34:32 AM
There is a big inequiety in solar power from homes I have 2 friends in SA that have solar one get a feed in tarrif of 11 cents/32 cents grid use, in Nov 11/36 and recently it changed to 12/41, the other mate is 8/40.
There are rumblings in WA that home solar is causing issues with system because the feed in from home solar cannot be regulated, Qld Courier Mail had a story that they are considering charging home solar for the feed in, I could not read the full story as it behind a pay wall. one comment suggested that home owners should rush to get a battery, and change their system so there is no feed in, this story and push could be a battery mob using a scare campain to increase sales.
I can't open that hypertext link. Could you please provide a summary?
P.S. I see that you've posted the image. Thank you.
-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Friday 17th of June 2022 11:49:53 AM
So true and very well said without, in my opinion, insulting other people on the forum. Well done.
Just cut and paste link into web browser, bookmark it and then anytime day or night you can see where power is bein dispatched
Basically the colored bar is the amount of power being generated from it source Black/Brown Coal, Red Gas, Purple Diesel, Blue Hydro, Green Wind, orange/yellow Solar and the lighter purple is battery.
The Grey bar is the demand some of the bar will colored Blue is Hydro Pumping, Light Purple is Battery charging, I'm unsure what the Yellow its said to be Demand that AEMO cannot see.
For Buzz,
Here is the link you are having trouble with
https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/
Here is another tit bit of information
Lets hope the other states see the value of not following SA
SA pays a penalty to use heavy reliance on renewables SA has the highest periods of power outages.
From Gundogs graph note the battery percentage of SA.
It has been said before that SA take the power from the grid as indicated by the Grey scale and then the consumers pay a premium even though they supposedly have renewables in operation.
It is at least, pleasing to see that most of the other states arent that stupid.
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Friday 17th of June 2022 12:35:02 PM
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Friday 17th of June 2022 12:36:21 PM
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Friday 17th of June 2022 12:41:18 PM
So true. An additional question/remark. How come the whole planet is suffering exactly the same issues. Not only with energy but everything. Can't all be due to Russia and the Ukraine. We need to secure all our resources for our own use.
We need to secure all our resources for our own use.
A true a word has never been spoken
You've got a point there!!
Ian
This is what we need to guard against. Bitter Springs. I first discovered of Bitter Springs in about 2012. Then I returned in 2018 and though it was still as magical it had become less natural and more contrived. The pool itself contained more algae and you couldn't see the bottom. Why can't the greedy exploiters leave natural wonders alone. Now they are talking of regulating the flow of the water through issuing water extraction licences and managing the water levels of the aquifers.. Fracking comes into it. More greed. science backed as well. Ha.! The water was flowing freely for hundreds of years without drying up. Outback towns like Walgett didn't have to beg people for bottled water, there was always plenty. Hmmm wonderful water management Hey?
So if you want to get a glimpse of what this beautiful place looked liked in its natural state you had better go quickly I fear it is all about to be lost to greed.
So what is this an attempted highjack of a thread about energy security, not another lefty rant.
Do you not understand that this rush to hog tie base load power in pursuit of highly suspect renewable power, that would need to at least increase the amount of wind, solar and batteries by more than 400% just to sustain day time consumption, the pursuit to zero is a folly for Australia.
Angry grumpy old men. I can do without them. If you think about it this thread refers to the fact that it is not only a base load power issue it is connected to all of Australia's natural resources. Regardless, the issue with base load power is GREEDY EXPLOITERS and how they want to switch to gas and fracking for gas is one of these.
Fracking for gas is destroying natural resources all over the country. Bitter Springs will be the next.
The problem is that these GREEDY EXPLOITERS have sold off our energy to the highest bidder from overseas (because these companies are owned by large overseas investors) with forward contracts and there is none left for domestic purposes. They then are looking for additional resources to supply the domestic market no matter where they can find it. Like Bitter Springs. Just like everything else. Meat, fish, water. Until we put AUSTRALIA first, we will end up with nothing and not even a big pile of money to compensate us.
-- Edited by msg on Saturday 18th of June 2022 12:44:18 PM
The reduction of base load power has nothing to do with you perceived statement, the fact is we are loosing base load power by green tree hugging climate change collective desire to take Australia down a peg or two to appease the UN.
Micro grids in outback Australia predominatly run on diesel generators, where home solar system are not encouraged to connect to the mico grid because it causes problems.
Base load power does not depend on the micro grid.(as you call it) You would be mad to think the micro grid could/would supply industry and essential services like hospitals and traffic lights etc. Home solar input causes spikes and upsets the grid. i.e. the input of power makes the smooth constant supply of electricity difficult. However, if we didn't have those forward contracts we could switch more electricity to the grid when needed.