Need someones help thanks
I have a small camper van tare 3.060 gvm 3.5 ton
Had vehicle weighed was 3.7 ton 200 kg over weight
Now heres the silly part
Carrying 150 kg water 80kg fuel and 2 adults 150kg already overweight !!!
Doesnt make any sense am I reading this correctly ???
Possum3 said
08:45 PM Jul 17, 2023
I'm just a little confused, Golden years.
Is the camper 3700kg without passenger/s, water, gas? Note fuel should be included in Tare. What modifications have been done to vehicle to turn it from a passenger carrying vehicle into a camper? Has the "Camper" been passed by an Engineer and now registered as a camper, or is it registered as a commercial vehicle?
yobarr said
08:58 PM Jul 17, 2023
goldenyears wrote:
Need someones help thanks I have a small camper van tare 3.060 gvm 3.5 ton Had vehicle weighed was 3.7 ton 200 kg over weight Now heres the silly part Carrying 150 kg water 80kg fuel and 2 adults 150kg already overweight !!! Doesnt make any sense am I reading this correctly ???
Hi Dave. If you could post a photo of the vans compliance plate, with vehicle ID blacked out, we may be able to help without hours of to and fro. At first glance it does not look good, as it seems that you are already overloaded, but if you post the compliance plate we can give advice. Maybe a GVM upgrade is possible, but as I said earlier, without the compliance plate details we are shooting in the dark, with hours of to and fro likely to achieve little. Possum has given good advice, which clearly shows that this has the capacity to become very complicated! Cheers
goldenyears said
03:04 PM Jul 18, 2023
Sunliner ranger ha3 Tare 3060 thats without fuel water etc Gvm upgrade of 300 kg brings it to 3.5ton We added 190 kg water 80 kg fuel and 2 adults 150kg and all the travel stuff about 100kg Weighed vehicle was 3.7 ton 200 kg over gvm Now what are u supposed to take out to meet gvm ??? No extras added to vehicle !
-- Edited by goldenyears on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 03:54:41 PM
So this is the Chase model? I looked on their site and note they conveniently don't list the Tare. They list GVM as 3200, the same as original Ford Ranger (and that fits with your 300kg upgrade making it 3500kg).
If you really do have minimal stuff added it puts in question if the Tare was ever correct.
How could they sell these with only 140kg payload? With a few pots and pans, bedding and a single person you would be at capacity. Even with the upgrade to 3500kg you have to get the front/rear weights exactly balanced to meet that target. I doubt that would be achievable. And looking at the posture, even after the GVM upgrade it does look pretty tail heavy.
But what you describe does not seem to be 640kg. If it were me, I would empty out as much stuff as I could and take it to a weighbridge to see how close it is to Tare. Make sure you separately weigh the front and back axles.
Did you buy it new?
goldenyears said
04:46 PM Jul 18, 2023
Thankyou yobarr heres the details
SUNLINER HA3
-- Edited by goldenyears on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 04:47:06 PM
goldenyears said
04:47 PM Jul 18, 2023
SUNLINER HA3 NOT CHASE
goldenyears said
04:49 PM Jul 18, 2023
EVERYONE THAT HAS BOUGHT OF THESE NO WAY CAN THEY MEET THE GVM UNLESS TAKE ALL THE FUEL AND WATER OUT !!! REDICULOUS
goldenyears said
04:51 PM Jul 18, 2023
BOUGHT NEW IN 2017 ONLY DONE 42000KM
VEHICLE HAS BEEN BRILLIANT NO ISSUES JUST DECIDED RANDOMLY TO GET IT WEIGHED
Are We Lost said
04:51 PM Jul 18, 2023
I don't see HA3 on their site. The closest I could find was Chase ... same GVM. No Tare listed.
Fridge/freezer: Thetford T1000 series 90L compressor Fridge / freezer.
Toilet: Thetford 20l cartridge type.
Shower: Internal and external, hot/cold
Air-con: Dometic Flowjet 2200
Air/water heating: Webasto diesel system
Gas: No
Lighting: LED
Inverter: 2000W pure sine wave
Batteries: 1 x 150Ah with Redarc battery management system
Solar: 1 x 150W panel and regulator
Price: $133,990 plus on road costs
Mein said
06:11 PM Jul 18, 2023
Incidentally, the tare mass of the Ford Ranger is reported to be 1725kg. Removing the tray would drop the tare by about 200kg, down to 1525kg.
With the tare mass of the Sunline Habitat HA3 reported to be 3060kg, the weight of the camper body would be in the order of 1535kg, which sounds realistic.
I suspect that goldenyears is carrying a lot more than he assumes. I think that only way for goldenyears to determine why the vehicle's current is 3.72t would be to weigh the vehicle again with ALL personal belongings removed.
Possum3 said
06:15 PM Jul 18, 2023
This is why Lemon Caravans and RV's want ACCC to take a serious look at some of the units being put on our roads.
Golden years I believe that this unit needs re-certification by a Registered Automotive Engineer to be compliant to Australian Regulations - there is a possibility/probability that you may be entitled to a refund of full purchase price under Australian Consumer Law.
Are We Lost said
06:43 PM Jul 18, 2023
Mein wrote:
Incidentally, the tare mass of the Ford Ranger is reported to be 1725kg. Removing the tray would drop the tare by about 200kg, down to 1525kg.
Where did you see that? Bought in 2017 would make it a PX2. The brochure does not list Tare, but shows the lightest model was a 2.2L 4x2 Hi-Rider cab/chassis with 1659kg kerb weight (no tray). Very different from what the Sunliner brochure shows. Kerb weight is with with a full tank of fuel with no occupants. For mine (XLT double cab) the plated Tare of 2051kg is 51kg less than kerb weight.
The Sunliner specs show 3.2L 4WD on a Hi-Rider base. The Ford brochure shows the lightest 3.2L 4WD cab/chassis had kerb weight of 1858kg (again, no tray). Maybe they had a special model built as the Hi-Rider with 3.2L and 4WD combination is not listed as an available model from Ford.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 07:08:44 PM
goldenyears said
06:50 PM Jul 18, 2023
Price of vehicle in 2021 nearly $190,000 !!!!!
goldenyears said
06:57 PM Jul 18, 2023
JUST GOOGLE SUNLINER HA3 IT COMES UP STRAIGHT AWAY
THANKS FOR THE INPUT
Are We Lost said
07:11 PM Jul 18, 2023
Ah, a sub model of the Habitat. I see it now.
But the brochure shows 3,650kg GVM. Models change over the years. Does it look identical to yours?
yobarr said
07:38 PM Jul 18, 2023
Hi Dave. Must say that that is a great looking vehicle. Unfortunately, you have BIG problems with rear axle weight. Your rear axle carrying capacity has been upgraded to 1950Kg, but unfortunately you are carrying 2440kg on it, so 490Kg ( Half a ton!) overloaded on that axle. Your front axle carrying capacity now is 1550Kg but youre not within coooee of that, with only 1280kg there. As with most GVM upgrades, this has achieved next to nothing, with only a miserable 100kg gain on the rear axle.
Problem! Firstly, you have to get rid of 220kg and then you have to try to relocate weight, forward.
These ideas may ruffle a few feathers, but throw that heavy battery and get lithium. Forget the cost as there simply is NO comparison, both weight wise and performance wise.
Try to get that as far forward as possible. When I initially had weight distribution problems I hung some heavy stuff under the bullbar, but your car is a lot lower than mine. Mein has kindly listed standard(?) fittings for your car, but without sighting the vehicle it is difficult to give useful advice.
In my opinion people who do what has been done to you should be lined up and shot. Unconscionable conduct, surely? Possum is a great believer in the help offered by the Caravan Council of Australia (0409 865399) who may be able to give advice on both your legal rights and your possible remedies in this situation .They are based in Victoria. For what it is worth, you have my sympathy, but there is little help I can offer. Where do you live and where can the car be viewed? Good luck. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 07:58:11 PM
Mein said
07:40 PM Jul 18, 2023
Withdrawn.
-- Edited by Mein on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 07:43:16 PM
goldenyears said
07:42 PM Jul 18, 2023
Hobar how is it possible to get rid of over 200 kg impossible!! Lol
goldenyears said
07:45 PM Jul 18, 2023
Could always dump the wife dump the fuel and water problem fixed !!!!
goldenyears said
07:46 PM Jul 18, 2023
Need more than lithium lol !
yobarr said
08:05 PM Jul 18, 2023
goldenyears wrote:
Need more than lithium lol !
Absolutely, but you have to start somewhere. Perhaps you could tow a small box-trailer with some heavy items? Although it pains me to say so, in this situation a WDH would be of benefit, taking weight OFF the car rear axle and putting MOST of it onto the car front axle, where it is needed, with the rest going on to the trailers axle. This would at least be a start. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 08:07:17 PM
TheHeaths said
08:14 PM Jul 18, 2023
Unfortunately, I think too many of these nice looking slide on/Ute type type motor homes end up being too heavy for the vehicles they are supposed to fit.
I suspect it would be nigh on impossible to get axle weights fine with a unit like this.
Shame, because they look a great unit for a single or couple to see this country. A trailer may be the only way to get it close.
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 08:14:56 PM
goldenyears said
08:17 PM Jul 18, 2023
you are definately right ian
goldenyears said
08:23 PM Jul 18, 2023
Firstly we weighed everything inside vehicle food all the items tools bedding etc etc was 120kg everything
What i will be doing is move alot of stuff as far forward as i can and the jerry cans that carry 40kg of water only filled when realy necessary
It will always be overweight and as for lithium unfortunately my redarc system doesnt handle lithium redarc manager 30 was upgraded in 2020 mine was from 2017
Is the camper 3700kg without passenger/s, water, gas? Note fuel should be included in Tare. What modifications have been done to vehicle to turn it from a passenger carrying vehicle into a camper? Has the "Camper" been passed by an Engineer and now registered as a camper, or is it registered as a commercial vehicle?
Hi Dave. If you could post a photo of the vans compliance plate, with vehicle ID blacked out, we may be able to help without hours of to and fro.
At first glance it does not look good, as it seems that you are already overloaded, but if you post the compliance plate we can give advice. Maybe a GVM upgrade is possible, but as I said earlier, without the compliance plate details we are shooting in the dark, with hours of to and fro likely to achieve little. Possum has given good advice, which clearly shows that this has the capacity to become very complicated! Cheers
-- Edited by goldenyears on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 03:54:41 PM
All self explanatory i would have thought
Am i missing something ?
If you really do have minimal stuff added it puts in question if the Tare was ever correct.
How could they sell these with only 140kg payload? With a few pots and pans, bedding and a single person you would be at capacity. Even with the upgrade to 3500kg you have to get the front/rear weights exactly balanced to meet that target. I doubt that would be achievable. And looking at the posture, even after the GVM upgrade it does look pretty tail heavy.
But what you describe does not seem to be 640kg. If it were me, I would empty out as much stuff as I could and take it to a weighbridge to see how close it is to Tare. Make sure you separately weigh the front and back axles.
Did you buy it new?
Thankyou yobarr heres the details
SUNLINER HA3
-- Edited by goldenyears on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 04:47:06 PM
SUNLINER HA3 NOT CHASE
EVERYONE THAT HAS BOUGHT OF THESE NO WAY CAN THEY MEET THE GVM UNLESS TAKE ALL THE FUEL AND WATER OUT !!! REDICULOUS
BOUGHT NEW IN 2017 ONLY DONE 42000KM
VEHICLE HAS BEEN BRILLIANT NO ISSUES JUST DECIDED RANDOMLY TO GET IT WEIGHED
SUNLINER HABITAT HA3
Base vehicle: Ford Ranger 4x4 single cab XL Hi-Rider cab-chassis
Overall length: 5800mm
Internal body length: 4300 mm
External body width: 2300mm
Internal height: 1950mm
Tare: 3060 kg
GVM: 3500kg
Engine: 147kw/470Nm 3.2-litre five-cylinder turbo-diesel
Transmission: Six-speed auto
Wheels: SUV alloy with 255/70R16 all-terrain tyres
Brakes: ABS
Stability control: Yes
Cooking: Webasto diesel two-element cooktopMicrowave: Sphere 900W
Fridge/freezer: Thetford T1000 series 90L compressor Fridge / freezer.
Toilet: Thetford 20l cartridge type.
Shower: Internal and external, hot/cold
Air-con: Dometic Flowjet 2200
Air/water heating: Webasto diesel system
Gas: No
Lighting: LED
Inverter: 2000W pure sine wave
Batteries: 1 x 150Ah with Redarc battery management system
Solar: 1 x 150W panel and regulator
Price: $133,990 plus on road costs
Incidentally, the tare mass of the Ford Ranger is reported to be 1725kg. Removing the tray would drop the tare by about 200kg, down to 1525kg.
With the tare mass of the Sunline Habitat HA3 reported to be 3060kg, the weight of the camper body would be in the order of 1535kg, which sounds realistic.
I suspect that goldenyears is carrying a lot more than he assumes. I think that only way for goldenyears to determine why the vehicle's current is 3.72t would be to weigh the vehicle again with ALL personal belongings removed.
Golden years I believe that this unit needs re-certification by a Registered Automotive Engineer to be compliant to Australian Regulations - there is a possibility/probability that you may be entitled to a refund of full purchase price under Australian Consumer Law.
Where did you see that? Bought in 2017 would make it a PX2. The brochure does not list Tare, but shows the lightest model was a 2.2L 4x2 Hi-Rider cab/chassis with 1659kg kerb weight (no tray). Very different from what the Sunliner brochure shows. Kerb weight is with with a full tank of fuel with no occupants. For mine (XLT double cab) the plated Tare of 2051kg is 51kg less than kerb weight.
The Sunliner specs show 3.2L 4WD on a Hi-Rider base. The Ford brochure shows the lightest 3.2L 4WD cab/chassis had kerb weight of 1858kg (again, no tray). Maybe they had a special model built as the Hi-Rider with 3.2L and 4WD combination is not listed as an available model from Ford.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 07:08:44 PM
Price of vehicle in 2021 nearly $190,000 !!!!!
JUST GOOGLE SUNLINER HA3 IT COMES UP STRAIGHT AWAY
THANKS FOR THE INPUT
But the brochure shows 3,650kg GVM. Models change over the years. Does it look identical to yours?
Hi Dave. Must say that that is a great looking vehicle. Unfortunately, you have BIG problems with rear axle weight.
Your rear axle carrying capacity has been upgraded to 1950Kg, but unfortunately you are carrying 2440kg on it, so 490Kg ( Half a ton!) overloaded on that axle. Your front axle carrying capacity now is 1550Kg but youre not within coooee of that, with only 1280kg there.
As with most GVM upgrades, this has achieved next to nothing, with only a miserable 100kg gain on the rear axle.
Problem! Firstly, you have to get rid of 220kg and then you have to try to relocate weight, forward.
These ideas may ruffle a few feathers, but throw that heavy battery and get lithium. Forget the cost as there simply is NO comparison, both weight wise and performance wise.
Try to get that as far forward as possible. When I initially had weight distribution problems I hung some heavy stuff under the bullbar, but your car is a lot lower than mine.
Mein has kindly listed standard(?) fittings for your car, but without sighting the vehicle it is difficult to give useful advice.
In my opinion people who do what has been done to you should be lined up and shot. Unconscionable conduct, surely?
Possum is a great believer in the help offered by the Caravan Council of Australia (0409 865399) who may be able to give advice on both your legal rights and your possible remedies in this situation .They are based in Victoria.
For what it is worth, you have my sympathy, but there is little help I can offer.
Where do you live and where can the car be viewed? Good luck. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 07:58:11 PM
Withdrawn.
-- Edited by Mein on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 07:43:16 PM
Absolutely, but you have to start somewhere. Perhaps you could tow a small box-trailer with some heavy items?
Although it pains me to say so, in this situation a WDH would be of benefit, taking weight OFF the car rear axle and putting MOST of it onto the car front axle, where it is needed, with the rest going on to the trailers axle. This would at least be a start. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 08:07:17 PM
Unfortunately, I think too many of these nice looking slide on/Ute type type motor homes end up being too heavy for the vehicles they are supposed to fit.
I suspect it would be nigh on impossible to get axle weights fine with a unit like this.
Shame, because they look a great unit for a single or couple to see this country. A trailer may be the only way to get it close.
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 08:14:56 PM
you are definately right ian
Firstly we weighed everything inside vehicle food all the items tools bedding etc etc was 120kg everything
What i will be doing is move alot of stuff as far forward as i can and the jerry cans that carry 40kg of water only filled when realy necessary
It will always be overweight and as for lithium unfortunately my redarc system doesnt handle lithium redarc manager 30 was upgraded in 2020 mine was from 2017
thanks anyway for your info
THANKYOU TO EVERYONE