I just had a quick check of fuel in the mainland capital cities.
Roughly Brisbane current price of approx $2.39 is around 30 to 50 cents more expensive than any of the 5 mainland cities.
Can anyone explain the variance around Australia?
Jay&Dee
Magnarc said
11:49 AM Oct 8, 2023
Capitalism JayDee, capitalism.
Bicyclecamper said
12:30 PM Oct 8, 2023
When I bought my motorbike 2 and a half months ago, it was costing me $27 to fill the 15 litre tank, now it is costing me $37. I bought the bike to make traveling cheaper, and for other reasons, but did not expect the fuel prices to climb so high.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Sunday 8th of October 2023 12:34:20 PM
Collo said
06:07 PM Oct 8, 2023
Try $2.42 for diesel at Torquay.
Cost me $115 for 2/3 tank!
Collo.
Whenarewethere said
06:25 PM Oct 8, 2023
I would rather a regular price system as in Europe & UK. Have spent many months multiple times there. I didn't have to waste my time thinking about Australia's BS price cycles which has zero relationship to world prices.
Australia goes through a super tanker of fuel every few days. In other words about 150 million litres a day.
So a Sydney 3 to 6 week price cycle has zero relationship.
Still today I can only work out that our pricing cycle system is simply to screw more dollars out of us.
My work around is 2 x 5L, 5 x 10L & 3 x 20L fuel containers from, some over 30 years old. The smaller ones are used for remote outback travel, 50 litres extra.
Amortised cost of containers over decades, I am well ahead. 10L are the easiest to manage.
In the outback I spoke to a person who could carry up to 475 litres on their rig. Basically to minimise the BS fuel cycle price system.
Get as a handful of 10L containers. Amortised over a couple of years, you will be ahead of the $0.35 typical difference in price.
Possum3 said
07:52 AM Oct 9, 2023
We met a chap in St George that had just spent some time out near Ayres Rock where fuel was being sold at $4.60/L. That is ridiculous pricing that would be very hard to justify considering the capacities of juggerauts that are carting fuel, in the outback.
TheHeaths said
09:38 AM Oct 9, 2023
When was that Possum?
I know it has been dear at Erldunda over the past 18 months, around the $3.20 mark, with Yulara a few cents cheaper.
Hadnt heard anything like this though. Maybe it was at remote communities further out, which would make more sense, and wouldnt be the sort of places that the normal grey nomad would go.
The price I quote is for diesel, but checking ULP shows it to be a bit cheaper.
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Monday 9th of October 2023 11:39:17 AM
peter67 said
10:14 AM Oct 9, 2023
Why is diesel the same or dearer than ULP when it costs much less to process??? used to be half the price of super.
Craig1 said
10:24 AM Oct 9, 2023
Pete, popularity of diesel exploded, then they blame everthing for keepimg it there, wars, famine, heating in Europe etc. Maybe Tesla sales may bring it down.
The Aust States and Territories have a vested interest in high prices. All the extra GST kept Mad Dan and keeps Pluckachook a little bit towards a balanced budget.
dogbox said
11:13 AM Oct 9, 2023
peter67 wrote:
Why is diesel the same or dearer than ULP when it costs much less to process??? used to be half the price of super.
diesel at the pump is rarely discounted most of the trucks fuel on a fuel card an the discount is applied to the account.
Possum3 said
01:47 PM Oct 9, 2023
TheHeaths wrote:
When was that Possum?
We met the guy last week so I would assume within the last month or so.
rgren2 said
04:21 PM Oct 9, 2023
Possum3 wrote:
TheHeaths wrote:
When was that Possum?
We met the guy last week so I would assume within the last month or so.
They charge what they do cos they can. $3.10 litre at WA/SA border last week. $1.99 at Maitland SA today. With a 150 litre tank in the HiLux, I sometimes blanche. A year or so back, a stop for a couple of days would save about $100 in fuel. Today at least $200. The quality of the fuel also varies significantly. With a different product, similar conditions, terrain and my relatively conservative driving the variation can be as much as 7l/100km. But, as I said to the old mate, if you are worried about the price of fuel when towing a caravan you are on the wrong trip.
shakey55 said
08:12 AM Oct 10, 2023
$1.85 per litre (unleaded) Camden NSW (about 60 kms south west of Sydney) today.
Brodie Allen said
07:41 PM Oct 10, 2023
the Gov wants everyone in electric cars.
This is one way of bringing it on.
we once were self sufficient in fuel - thanks to the crazies no more exploration,
close the refineries - christ - if there's a conflict in the pacific we'll all be on
batteries if we like it or not!
B
(Sorry, PT).
Sarco Harris said
07:42 PM Oct 10, 2023
In May diesel was 299.9c/litre at William Creek, SA, I hate to think what they are charging now.
Here at home it is bad enough at 230.9c/lt, however I filled at Ampol just off the Western Hwy at Baccus March on Saturday at 219.9, but when I went to pay, RACV membership gained another 5c/lt off.
msg said
02:09 AM Oct 11, 2023
It was $2.5o/L in 2017 when I was last at Ayres Rock.
Roy E said
09:32 AM Oct 11, 2023
Unleaded $1.849 at Sandgate, Brisbane.
Cheers,
Roy.
Whenarewethere said
10:10 AM Oct 11, 2023
Be grateful that you are "not holidaying" in Europe. Zero change out of euro100 to fill the tank. Same in UK never got change from £100. Makes Australia fuel a bargain.
deverall11 said
11:07 AM Oct 11, 2023
Brodie Allen wrote:
the Gov wants everyone in electric cars.
.....
I was going to leave this one alone, but, the solution if this is what the crux of this is about is:
wait for it - electric cars. yes I know there is nothing suitable yet to tow a caravan etc....
However if you happen to be a city dweller and own an electric car, surely you must be laughing.
Not at the people having to pay the current prices but at the good decision you made. One less
worry at least till the time comes to deal with a failing battery pack.
Southern Cruizer said
09:52 PM Oct 12, 2023
Use fuel app and cheapest in Wagga Wagga is $203.7. Just have to look around a bit
dogbox said
09:20 AM Oct 13, 2023
deverall11 wrote:
Brodie Allen wrote:
the Gov wants everyone in electric cars.
.....
I was going to leave this one alone, but, the solution if this is what the crux of this is about is:
wait for it - electric cars. yes I know there is nothing suitable yet to tow a caravan etc....
However if you happen to be a city dweller and own an electric car, surely you must be laughing.
Not at the people having to pay the current prices but at the good decision you made. One less
worry at least till the time comes to deal with a failing battery pack.
or until they transfer the fuel tax over to electric cars to cover the lost revenue. I wonder how they will manage that?
at the moment EVs are more expensive to buy, how many klm would one have to travel to cover the extra cost, to be cost effective?
Whenarewethere said
09:57 AM Oct 13, 2023
dogbox wrote:
or until they transfer the fuel tax over to electric cars to cover the lost revenue. I wonder how they will manage that?
Per km charge at registration from odometer. Which is imbedded in multiple places in the car. I'm sure some will find work arounds.
A minor one is larger tyres for a few percentage points change.
peter67 said
10:15 AM Oct 13, 2023
dogbox wrote:
deverall11 wrote:
Brodie Allen wrote:
the Gov wants everyone in electric cars.
.....
I was going to leave this one alone, but, the solution if this is what the crux of this is about is:
wait for it - electric cars. yes I know there is nothing suitable yet to tow a caravan etc....
However if you happen to be a city dweller and own an electric car, surely you must be laughing.
Not at the people having to pay the current prices but at the good decision you made. One less
worry at least till the time comes to deal with a failing battery pack.
or until they transfer the fuel tax over to electric cars to cover the lost revenue. I wonder how they will manage that?
at the moment EVs are more expensive to buy, how many klm would one have to travel to cover the extra cost, to be cost effective?
Once you factor in all the costs, it takes between eight and fifteen years to break even.
Whenarewethere said
10:31 AM Oct 13, 2023
To make it cost effective, governments will introduce a LEZ or ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zone) at £12.50 (about au$25) as in UK, or "more" if the government thinks it can get away with it, everytime you enter the zone & or a daily charge if your ICE vehicle stays within the zone.
Our State governments have been trialling systems for many years on the quiet, so they are further ahead than we all hear about.
A work around is a jet engine powered mobility scooter... for the moment!
Are We Lost said
10:49 AM Oct 13, 2023
Whenarewethere wrote:
Per km charge at registration from odometer. ...
As that would entail substantially higher registration costs I can't see that happening. There are already plenty of people who struggle to find the money at registration time. It sounds like a recipe for more unregistered vehicles on the road.
There would have to be a total revamp of the system. The charge could be monthly or quarterly but there would have to be a way to get regular odometer readings recorded.
Whenarewethere said
02:24 PM Oct 13, 2023
Victoria have been charging $0.025 per km from 1 July 2021. I'm not sure how they work out the pro-rata rate (percentage of year from registration date), probably just averaging.
$0.025 per km is an excessive rate based on fuel efficiency of the modern average car.
But it is an indication of the early affects of how we will all be shafted in the long run.
dogbox said
05:55 PM Oct 13, 2023
Whenarewethere wrote:
To make it cost effective, governments will introduce a LEZ or ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zone) at £12.50 (about au$25) as in UK, or "more" if the government thinks it can get away with it, everytime you enter the zone & or a daily charge if your ICE vehicle stays within the zone.
Our State governments have been trialling systems for many years on the quiet, so they are further ahead than we all hear about.
A work around is a jet engine powered mobility scooter... for the moment!
i think your on the money, most people would have no idea how many times they would be observed by cameras, one soft ware package an thank you very much for your kind donation and most roads become toll roads
in the eastern states (vic, nsw especially) trucks are monitored and the system can be used to track cars when required, the ground work has already been done
-- Edited by dogbox on Friday 13th of October 2023 05:56:28 PM
bobsa said
10:20 AM Oct 18, 2023
There was mention of UK and Europe price .
I have just come back from there, and fuel is not that expensive ,being it does not fluctuate
is fantastic
be aware that lowest octane is 95 ron ,
so I have compared 95 ron only
at today 18/10/23 price and converting to AUD
Adelaide 95 ron 2.24
diesel 2.14
but Adelaide is subject to change and predictive increase for Petrol 95 ron is $2.40 end of the week
SA country is bloody expensive Coober Pedy for example petrol 2.45 and diesel 2.35 this will increase next cycle hike
Uk , England 95 ron au$ 2.99
diesel au$ 3.11
country and city the same
Italy 95 ron au$ 3.18
diesel au$3.14
country and city the same
the best about over there, is the fuel stays the same, this bloody Australia fuel pricing cycle is ridiculous
Bob
Whenarewethere said
11:28 AM Oct 18, 2023
bobsa wrote:
the best about over there, is the fuel stays the same, this bloody Australia fuel pricing cycle is ridiculous
Agree with Europe price system.
Pricing in Australia has absolutely no relationship to the super tanker of fuel we get every few days. The industry hoodwinks us that it's the world market. BS on every level.
Just filled up all jerry cans, car was down to single digit km remaining. I did have another 60 litres up my sleeve, but easier to fill car at the petrol station. The petrol station on the Northern Beaches knows my routine.
But really, I would rather have a consistent price structure & pay an average price not to waste my grey matter.
-- Edited by Whenarewethere on Wednesday 18th of October 2023 11:37:52 AM
I just had a quick check of fuel in the mainland capital cities.
Roughly Brisbane current price of approx $2.39 is around 30 to 50 cents more expensive than any of the 5 mainland cities.
Can anyone explain the variance around Australia?
Jay&Dee
Capitalism JayDee, capitalism.
When I bought my motorbike 2 and a half months ago, it was costing me $27 to fill the 15 litre tank, now it is costing me $37. I bought the bike to make traveling cheaper, and for other reasons, but did not expect the fuel prices to climb so high.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Sunday 8th of October 2023 12:34:20 PM
Try $2.42 for diesel at Torquay.
Cost me $115 for 2/3 tank!
Collo.
I would rather a regular price system as in Europe & UK. Have spent many months multiple times there. I didn't have to waste my time thinking about Australia's BS price cycles which has zero relationship to world prices.
Australia goes through a super tanker of fuel every few days. In other words about 150 million litres a day.
So a Sydney 3 to 6 week price cycle has zero relationship.
Still today I can only work out that our pricing cycle system is simply to screw more dollars out of us.
My work around is 2 x 5L, 5 x 10L & 3 x 20L fuel containers from, some over 30 years old. The smaller ones are used for remote outback travel, 50 litres extra.
Amortised cost of containers over decades, I am well ahead. 10L are the easiest to manage.
In the outback I spoke to a person who could carry up to 475 litres on their rig. Basically to minimise the BS fuel cycle price system.
Get as a handful of 10L containers. Amortised over a couple of years, you will be ahead of the $0.35 typical difference in price.
When was that Possum?
I know it has been dear at Erldunda over the past 18 months, around the $3.20 mark, with Yulara a few cents cheaper.
Hadnt heard anything like this though. Maybe it was at remote communities further out, which would make more sense, and wouldnt be the sort of places that the normal grey nomad would go.
The price I quote is for diesel, but checking ULP shows it to be a bit cheaper.
-- Edited by TheHeaths on Monday 9th of October 2023 11:39:17 AM
The Aust States and Territories have a vested interest in high prices. All the extra GST kept Mad Dan and keeps Pluckachook a little bit towards a balanced budget.
diesel at the pump is rarely discounted most of the trucks fuel on a fuel card an the discount is applied to the account.
Currently.
They charge what they do cos they can. $3.10 litre at WA/SA border last week. $1.99 at Maitland SA today. With a 150 litre tank in the HiLux, I sometimes blanche. A year or so back, a stop for a couple of days would save about $100 in fuel. Today at least $200. The quality of the fuel also varies significantly. With a different product, similar conditions, terrain and my relatively conservative driving the variation can be as much as 7l/100km. But, as I said to the old mate, if you are worried about the price of fuel when towing a caravan you are on the wrong trip.
This is one way of bringing it on.
we once were self sufficient in fuel - thanks to the crazies no more exploration,
close the refineries - christ - if there's a conflict in the pacific we'll all be on
batteries if we like it or not!
B
(Sorry, PT).
Here at home it is bad enough at 230.9c/lt, however I filled at Ampol just off the Western Hwy at Baccus March on Saturday at 219.9, but when I went to pay, RACV membership gained another 5c/lt off.
Cheers,
Roy.
Be grateful that you are "not holidaying" in Europe. Zero change out of euro100 to fill the tank. Same in UK never got change from £100. Makes Australia fuel a bargain.
I was going to leave this one alone, but, the solution if this is what the crux of this is about is:
wait for it - electric cars. yes I know there is nothing suitable yet to tow a caravan etc....
However if you happen to be a city dweller and own an electric car, surely you must be laughing.
Not at the people having to pay the current prices but at the good decision you made. One less
worry at least till the time comes to deal with a failing battery pack.
or until they transfer the fuel tax over to electric cars to cover the lost revenue. I wonder how they will manage that?
at the moment EVs are more expensive to buy, how many klm would one have to travel to cover the extra cost, to be cost effective?
Per km charge at registration from odometer. Which is imbedded in multiple places in the car. I'm sure some will find work arounds.
A minor one is larger tyres for a few percentage points change.
Once you factor in all the costs, it takes between eight and fifteen years to break even.
To make it cost effective, governments will introduce a LEZ or ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zone) at £12.50 (about au$25) as in UK, or "more" if the government thinks it can get away with it, everytime you enter the zone & or a daily charge if your ICE vehicle stays within the zone.
Our State governments have been trialling systems for many years on the quiet, so they are further ahead than we all hear about.
A work around is a jet engine powered mobility scooter... for the moment!
As that would entail substantially higher registration costs I can't see that happening. There are already plenty of people who struggle to find the money at registration time. It sounds like a recipe for more unregistered vehicles on the road.
There would have to be a total revamp of the system. The charge could be monthly or quarterly but there would have to be a way to get regular odometer readings recorded.
Victoria have been charging $0.025 per km from 1 July 2021. I'm not sure how they work out the pro-rata rate (percentage of year from registration date), probably just averaging.
$0.025 per km is an excessive rate based on fuel efficiency of the modern average car.
But it is an indication of the early affects of how we will all be shafted in the long run.
i think your on the money, most people would have no idea how many times they would be observed by cameras, one soft ware package an thank you very much for your kind donation and most roads become toll roads
in the eastern states (vic, nsw especially) trucks are monitored and the system can be used to track cars when required, the ground work has already been done
-- Edited by dogbox on Friday 13th of October 2023 05:56:28 PM
I have just come back from there, and fuel is not that expensive ,being it does not fluctuate
is fantastic
be aware that lowest octane is 95 ron ,
so I have compared 95 ron only
at today 18/10/23 price and converting to AUD
Adelaide 95 ron 2.24
diesel 2.14
but Adelaide is subject to change and predictive increase for Petrol 95 ron is $2.40 end of the week
SA country is bloody expensive Coober Pedy for example petrol 2.45 and diesel 2.35 this will increase next cycle hike
Uk , England 95 ron au$ 2.99
diesel au$ 3.11
country and city the same
Italy 95 ron au$ 3.18
diesel au$3.14
country and city the same
the best about over there, is the fuel stays the same, this bloody Australia fuel pricing cycle is ridiculous
Bob
Agree with Europe price system.
Pricing in Australia has absolutely no relationship to the super tanker of fuel we get every few days. The industry hoodwinks us that it's the world market. BS on every level.
Just filled up all jerry cans, car was down to single digit km remaining. I did have another 60 litres up my sleeve, but easier to fill car at the petrol station. The petrol station on the Northern Beaches knows my routine.
But really, I would rather have a consistent price structure & pay an average price not to waste my grey matter.
-- Edited by Whenarewethere on Wednesday 18th of October 2023 11:37:52 AM