Got two friends with Jeeps with no issues except service costs
Had a Leyland P76 owner in our small town, sold his 1974 car in 2013 for a handsome sum, 41 years old 650,000km original engine. The car was bagged by many for the first 10 years
Its disappointing Santa that you plant a grenade then run for cover. People call that trolling. Its a nasty side that justifies self reflection.
I couldnt live like that.
Tony
SouthernComfort said
04:47 PM Dec 16, 2019
boab wrote:
Toyota sells little more than 3,000 Land Cruisers a year in the U.S.
Jeep brand sales in the USA rose 10 percent to 80,449 vehicles in December 2018. For the year, sales increased 17 percent to a record 973,227 vehicles, eclipsing the last record of 926,376 vehicles in 2016. so Santa what does this say about the 2 brands in the usa maybe its a reflection of the dealerships and not the cars reliability
That's basically what many of us keep trying to point out, but sadly that line doesn't suit the OP's cause.
malken said
09:53 PM Dec 16, 2019
Let's all ignore Santa, people like him stay awake all night thinking up stories to support their comments. They are just poor old lonely stirrers.
Interesting that Ger08 seems to have gone into hiding as he has not responded to my request about the 'issues' he s apparently aware of. As a matter of courtesy he should respond.
Ger08 said
11:10 PM Dec 16, 2019
malken wrote:
can you tell us what the issues are please.
Mate I would have thought the record number of recalls, ACCC involvement, the number calls for help to the public from frustrated owners and a drop in sales that looks unlikely to stop soon would be enough to frighten any sane person off. I have had close friends suffer with a GC and put through the hoops by Jeep, waiting months for parts that when they do turn up are not the right ones. If youre a Jeep apologist good on ya mate. But I think the sales numbers speak volumes for how most people feel about the reliability and the lack of support.
-- Edited by Ger08 on Monday 16th of December 2019 11:12:48 PM
Warren-Pat_01 said
11:30 PM Dec 16, 2019
If Nissan had put a decent V6 (diesel or petrol) under the bonnet Toyota wouldn't be selling so many 200 Series!
I'm trying my D-Max - so far it's ok but I think it's horses for courses - some batches of cars are good, the next mightn't be. Overloading must bear something on the reliability of the cars too. Have a look on the road & see the many TLCs & NPs are loaded to the hilt, have beefed up suspensions, tyres & with a van or heavy camper on the back. "Overloaded? Nah, you're imagining it! She's ok mate!"
Friends have the Jeep GC & swear by them. Granted one couple doesn't know what the 4WD button is for!
And just personally, I wonder how many of these whizz, bang, new super hi-tech 4wds with 2L, twin or more turboed engines are going to last when put to ask of towing heavy vans around. Will they see ten years? I doubt it!
Cupie said
11:49 PM Dec 16, 2019
Warren-Pat_01 wrote:
If Nissan had put a decent V6 (diesel or petrol) under the bonnet Toyota wouldn't be selling so many 200 Series!
I'm trying my D-Max - so far it's ok but I think it's horses for courses - some batches of cars are good, the next mightn't be. Overloading must bear something on the reliability of the cars too. Have a look on the road & see the many TLCs & NPs are loaded to the hilt, have beefed up suspensions, tyres & with a van or heavy camper on the back. "Overloaded? Nah, you're imagining it! She's ok mate!"
Friends have the Jeep GC & swear by them. Granted one couple doesn't know what the 4WD button is for!
And just personally, I wonder how many of these whizz, bang, new super hi-tech 4wds with 2L, twin or more turboed engines are going to last when put to ask of towing heavy vans around. Will they see ten years? I doubt it!
I tend to agree.
My long suffering 4.2L EFI GQ Patrol just keeps on going (250,000K of towing 2.4T over 20yrs), but I am starting to loose a bit of confidence in it ... after a clutch thrust bearing seized on my last trip. Perhaps its an age thing, my age that is.
BTW I have no opinion or knowledge of the reliability or otherwise of Jeeps, but given all the bad publicity, deserved or not, I wouldn't chance it if I were looking for a new tug. Mind you I don't know what I would choose.
The only person that I know who had a Jeep brought a second one after he wore out the old one.
I think that Santa has the right to withdraw from a thread if he wishes without attracting personal attacks.
Lets just move on.
malken said
11:38 AM Dec 17, 2019
I have googled to try and find websites that give a comparison of manufacturers recalls in Australia but have not been too successful. Perhaps you guys with this knowledge can supply some links to support your claims so I can then eat humble pie. In the meantime I did find this article. No Jeeps in it but Toyota and Mercedes are.
As I said, there are issues with all makes even Toyota.
Recalls. ACCC? Well how about Toyotas rather large problem currently with their DPF's. What pile of absolute crap that is.
Ford with grass catching fire in their DPF's.
Misubishi have a small issue with timing chains in the diesel Pajero. Not a recall though.
Chassis issues for Nissan on earlier model Navara's
Isuzu with front suspension mount points on some DMax models
And we won't talk about VW and dieselgate will we.
The list is extensive and we could go on, but the point is as a vehicle, Jeep is no worse than any of the above and better than many.
Sister and BIL have a petrol Grand Cherokee that has done close to half a million k's with very little issue and towed their caravan extensively throughout WA.
SouthernComfort said
04:38 PM Dec 17, 2019
Usually I wouldn't look at, or care what recalls are confined to Australia, we're too small to be representative. When talking about foreign vehicles marketed worldwide you get a much clearer picture with global recall stats. However, for the sake of it I also saw the site Malken is referring to listing the 'most commonly recalled brands' for 2018 in Australia, and indeed Jeep does not make it into the Top 10. The top offenders being Mercedes (33), Toyota (13), Ford (13), Audi (11), BMW (11). Another site listing the most recalls for 2016 in the USA mega market also didn't have Jeep appearing in the Top 10, however Ford, Toyota, Mercedes et al, are all there among the most recalled brands.
The problem for Jeep is the local media frenzy around a couple of isolated cases that went properly pear shaped. Does it mean other brands haven't had similar isolated issues? Nope, absolutely not, but the media loves to get their talons into Jeep. Once the momentum starts, the negative perception and falsehoods take on a life of their own and are incredibly hard to shake. The harsh reality is it's the media that controls peoples thinking and they have certainly controlled how some people are thinking in here. Blind followers. Someone in an earlier post observed that the spray many people seem to enjoy giving to Jeep are doing no favours for contented Jeep owners and I agree with the sentiment. When we come to trade in our cars we (just like everyone else) want to maximise the car's value and appeal.
Blithe comment is cheap but it does harm to many. As one of the world's most iconic brands Jeep is going gangbusters in other markets with sales escalating year after year. Jeep will rightly address the nonsense going on down here.
oldbloke said
09:02 PM Dec 17, 2019
Many recalls are voluntary. The better companies recall, even minor issues and others will not unless its a government requirement. So the stats may not be a true refflection of the quality of the product.
Nevd said
09:20 PM Dec 17, 2019
The Jeep GC is a great product. The issue in Australia was that when the WK was released here, it also coincided with a very strong Aussie dollar, making them a bargain when compared to anything else in the category. They sold them hand over fist, without Jeep thinking they might actually have to have a decent, trained dealership network, and decent spare parts availability. The recalls weren't really an issue - it's the norm these days and Jeep has been quite pro-active in their approach. The problem was not many people in dealerland were trained enough to do the job properly, when they finally got the parts. The damage was done by the service staff giving cars back and saying they had fixed t when in fact they hadn't.
Jeep has gone to considerable expense to put better parts warehousing in Melbourne, but as in the case of any imported vehicle anything unusual has to come from overseas.
The effectiveness of Jeep's commitment to improve will be evident in time. I hope for them it's not too little too late.
As a side note, I read an article today with a quote from Leo Pruneau, the chief designer of the Holden Commodore. He thinks the Holden brand will disappear within 10 years. Another article has VW Australia's boss suggesting the Holden nameplate should be replaced by Chevrolet sooner rather than later.
What price Jeep in Australia outlasting Holden?
SouthernComfort said
08:41 AM Dec 18, 2019
Nevd - The odds are a no brainer I'd say! Holden is already dead in the water, the brand amounts to nothing more than badges fastened to imported cars built by other manufacturers. Jeep will prevail, we look forward to FCA in Aus getting the long awaited shake up it deserves.
oldbloke - You make yet another good point about recalls. Many manufacturers wait until they are dragged kicking and screaming to the recall arena, in this country by ACCC. No Jeep recalls have been invoked by ACCC here, only listed by them. Jeep recalls are all company voluntary and applied on a worldwide basis from the U.S. Mine was only subject to 2 very minor recalls, both really questionable as to their necessity. Anyhow, I'd sooner have a car from a proactive manufacturer rather than one that ducks and dives. If Mercedes has a similar philosophy (I don't know whether they do or not) then their extraordinary number of recalls is more likely to reflect their commendable corporate diligence rather than poorly built vehicles.
Cupie said
08:48 AM Dec 18, 2019
Perhaps we should rename this thread as the JEEP GLEE CLUB. LOL
Who would have thunk that it would end up like this.
All the new CEO will have to do is publicise this thread .. job done, gather up the bag of cash & go home to the good ole US of A.
Merry XMAS to all, even Jeepies.
Ho Ho Ho
SouthernComfort said
10:13 AM Dec 18, 2019
Cupie wrote:
Perhaps we should rename this thread as the JEEP GLEE CLUB. LOL
Who would have thunk that it would end up like this.
All the new CEO will have to do is publicise this thread .. job done, gather up the bag of cash & go home to the good ole US of A.
Merry XMAS to all, even Jeepies.
Ho Ho Ho
Hey, that'd be great!! In the unlikely event that this forum is on his radar, at least we will have sent a strong message that it's not the cars, just his local organisation that needs the shake up.
An unconditional Merry Christmas to all, who gives a toss what you drive, live and let live!
-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Wednesday 18th of December 2019 10:13:59 AM
malken said
11:19 AM Dec 18, 2019
I have googled to try and find websites that give a comparison of manufacturers recalls in Australia but have not been too successful. Perhaps you guys with this knowledge can supply some links to support your claims so I can then eat humble pie. In the meantime I did find this article. No Jeeps in it but Toyota and Mercedes are.
C'mon guys, the silence is deafening. Still waiting for your links to support your comments (want some pie). I think I will drop off this. Its just that uniformed critics with nothing they can produce to back up their comments really annoy me.
-- Edited by malken on Wednesday 18th of December 2019 11:21:41 AM
The Belmont Bear said
01:53 PM Dec 18, 2019
Those who rubbish the Jeep brand should have a look at the origins of the Landcruiser on Wikipedia - makes for some very interesting reading. If it hadnt been for the Japanese occupying the Phillipines in 1941 and sending a captured Willys Jeep back to Toyota to be reverse engineered the Jap version wouldnt have even existed. After Willys challenged on trademark infringements in 1954 Toyota promptly changed the name to Landcruiser. It seems that stealing someone elses technology doesnt just happen today its probably been going on since the invention of the wheel. I once jokingly said in a post that the styling of the 100 series Landcruiser reminded of a 1940s Willys Jeep - maybe I wasnt that far off the mark.
Yes, I agree dorian, it is possible to turn a car manufacturer around
For many years Skoda, were probably the laughing stock of the car industry
In late 2013 I was in England, a friends brother had a Skoda, (he had it from new), and it was about two years old
I travelled up the motorways, as a rear passenger, at around 80 mph, and it was a very comfortable ride.
Also Fiat Chrysler have recently merged with Peugeot, so anything could happen in the future
Usual disclaimer, I own a 2006 Fiat Ducato, (same family as Jeep) I could never recommend my vehicle to anyone, until Fiat start stocking spare parts, in their service centres, also a few more service centres would be handy to have
Now that's two adverse Jeep reports (almost) in a row.
Where are the Jeep lover rebuttals?
C'mon make my day.
It would be sad to finish the thread on that note.
I could probably get the 1 star safety rating on my 23 year old GQ Patrol ... maybe not, what with no airbags (but then no Airbag recalls either) and a bloody great bull bar up front.
It would probably smash their crash barrier, just like I did to the poor little Nissan Micra that I rear ended in the rain a few years ago .. with just a slight bend to my Bull Bar.
Her fault of course because she was sitting stationary in the middle of an intersection with no lights, not even the foot brake .. checking a map for the location of her new place of work just up the road. (just kidding about being her fault .. but the cop didn't book me as I admitted blame .. failing to keep a proper look out? .. said that he didn't want to spend the next few hours doing paperwork required if he had to book someone ... he was just finishing his shift .. so I took the hint & accepted blame)
That's basically what many of us keep trying to point out, but sadly that line doesn't suit the OP's cause.
Interesting that Ger08 seems to have gone into hiding as he has not responded to my request about the 'issues' he s apparently aware of. As a matter of courtesy he should respond.
Mate I would have thought the record number of recalls, ACCC involvement, the number calls for help to the public from frustrated owners and a drop in sales that looks unlikely to stop soon would be enough to frighten any sane person off. I have had close friends suffer with a GC and put through the hoops by Jeep, waiting months for parts that when they do turn up are not the right ones. If youre a Jeep apologist good on ya mate. But I think the sales numbers speak volumes for how most people feel about the reliability and the lack of support.
-- Edited by Ger08 on Monday 16th of December 2019 11:12:48 PM
I'm trying my D-Max - so far it's ok but I think it's horses for courses - some batches of cars are good, the next mightn't be. Overloading must bear something on the reliability of the cars too. Have a look on the road & see the many TLCs & NPs are loaded to the hilt, have beefed up suspensions, tyres & with a van or heavy camper on the back. "Overloaded? Nah, you're imagining it! She's ok mate!"
Friends have the Jeep GC & swear by them. Granted one couple doesn't know what the 4WD button is for!
And just personally, I wonder how many of these whizz, bang, new super hi-tech 4wds with 2L, twin or more turboed engines are going to last when put to ask of towing heavy vans around. Will they see ten years? I doubt it!
I tend to agree.
My long suffering 4.2L EFI GQ Patrol just keeps on going (250,000K of towing 2.4T over 20yrs), but I am starting to loose a bit of confidence in it ... after a clutch thrust bearing seized on my last trip. Perhaps its an age thing, my age that is.
BTW I have no opinion or knowledge of the reliability or otherwise of Jeeps, but given all the bad publicity, deserved or not, I wouldn't chance it if I were looking for a new tug. Mind you I don't know what I would choose.
The only person that I know who had a Jeep brought a second one after he wore out the old one.
I think that Santa has the right to withdraw from a thread if he wishes without attracting personal attacks.
Lets just move on.
www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/motoring-news/mercedesbenz-tops-the-list-of-most-recalled-car-brands-in-2018/news-story/974e0ac2ffae3a8176a5a8a62e9874fb
The problem for Jeep is the local media frenzy around a couple of isolated cases that went properly pear shaped. Does it mean other brands haven't had similar isolated issues? Nope, absolutely not, but the media loves to get their talons into Jeep. Once the momentum starts, the negative perception and falsehoods take on a life of their own and are incredibly hard to shake. The harsh reality is it's the media that controls peoples thinking and they have certainly controlled how some people are thinking in here. Blind followers. Someone in an earlier post observed that the spray many people seem to enjoy giving to Jeep are doing no favours for contented Jeep owners and I agree with the sentiment. When we come to trade in our cars we (just like everyone else) want to maximise the car's value and appeal.
Blithe comment is cheap but it does harm to many. As one of the world's most iconic brands Jeep is going gangbusters in other markets with sales escalating year after year. Jeep will rightly address the nonsense going on down here.
The Jeep GC is a great product. The issue in Australia was that when the WK was released here, it also coincided with a very strong Aussie dollar, making them a bargain when compared to anything else in the category. They sold them hand over fist, without Jeep thinking they might actually have to have a decent, trained dealership network, and decent spare parts availability. The recalls weren't really an issue - it's the norm these days and Jeep has been quite pro-active in their approach. The problem was not many people in dealerland were trained enough to do the job properly, when they finally got the parts. The damage was done by the service staff giving cars back and saying they had fixed t when in fact they hadn't.
Jeep has gone to considerable expense to put better parts warehousing in Melbourne, but as in the case of any imported vehicle anything unusual has to come from overseas.
The effectiveness of Jeep's commitment to improve will be evident in time. I hope for them it's not too little too late.
As a side note, I read an article today with a quote from Leo Pruneau, the chief designer of the Holden Commodore. He thinks the Holden brand will disappear within 10 years. Another article has VW Australia's boss suggesting the Holden nameplate should be replaced by Chevrolet sooner rather than later.
What price Jeep in Australia outlasting Holden?
Nevd - The odds are a no brainer I'd say! Holden is already dead in the water, the brand amounts to nothing more than badges fastened to imported cars built by other manufacturers. Jeep will prevail, we look forward to FCA in Aus getting the long awaited shake up it deserves.
oldbloke - You make yet another good point about recalls. Many manufacturers wait until they are dragged kicking and screaming to the recall arena, in this country by ACCC. No Jeep recalls have been invoked by ACCC here, only listed by them. Jeep recalls are all company voluntary and applied on a worldwide basis from the U.S. Mine was only subject to 2 very minor recalls, both really questionable as to their necessity. Anyhow, I'd sooner have a car from a proactive manufacturer rather than one that ducks and dives. If Mercedes has a similar philosophy (I don't know whether they do or not) then their extraordinary number of recalls is more likely to reflect their commendable corporate diligence rather than poorly built vehicles.
Perhaps we should rename this thread as the JEEP GLEE CLUB. LOL
Who would have thunk that it would end up like this.
All the new CEO will have to do is publicise this thread .. job done, gather up the bag of cash & go home to the good ole US of A.
Merry XMAS to all, even Jeepies.
Ho Ho Ho
Hey, that'd be great!! In the unlikely event that this forum is on his radar, at least we will have sent a strong message that it's not the cars, just his local organisation that needs the shake up.
An unconditional Merry Christmas to all, who gives a toss what you drive, live and let live!
-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Wednesday 18th of December 2019 10:13:59 AM
I have googled to try and find websites that give a comparison of manufacturers recalls in Australia but have not been too successful. Perhaps you guys with this knowledge can supply some links to support your claims so I can then eat humble pie. In the meantime I did find this article. No Jeeps in it but Toyota and Mercedes are.
www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/motoring-news/mercedesbenz-tops-the-list-of-most-recalled-car-brands-in-2018/news-story/974e0ac2ffae3a8176a5a8a62e9874fb
C'mon guys, the silence is deafening. Still waiting for your links to support your comments (want some pie).
I think I will drop off this. Its just that uniformed critics with nothing they can produce to back up their comments really annoy me.
-- Edited by malken on Wednesday 18th of December 2019 11:21:41 AM
Those who rubbish the Jeep brand should have a look at the origins of the Landcruiser on Wikipedia - makes for some very interesting reading. If it hadnt been for the Japanese occupying the Phillipines in 1941 and sending a captured Willys Jeep back to Toyota to be reverse engineered the Jap version wouldnt have even existed. After Willys challenged on trademark infringements in 1954 Toyota promptly changed the name to Landcruiser. It seems that stealing someone elses technology doesnt just happen today its probably been going on since the invention of the wheel. I once jokingly said in a post that the styling of the 100 series Landcruiser reminded of a 1940s Willys Jeep - maybe I wasnt that far off the mark.
Cheers
BB
Yes, I agree dorian, it is possible to turn a car manufacturer around
For many years Skoda, were probably the laughing stock of the car industry
In late 2013 I was in England, a friends brother had a Skoda, (he had it from new), and it was about two years old
I travelled up the motorways, as a rear passenger, at around 80 mph, and it was a very comfortable ride.
Also Fiat Chrysler have recently merged with Peugeot, so anything could happen in the future
Usual disclaimer, I own a 2006 Fiat Ducato, (same family as Jeep)
I could never recommend my vehicle to anyone, until Fiat start stocking spare parts, in their service centres, also a few more service centres would be handy to have
Now that's two adverse Jeep reports (almost) in a row.
Where are the Jeep lover rebuttals?
C'mon make my day.
It would be sad to finish the thread on that note.
I could probably get the 1 star safety rating on my 23 year old GQ Patrol ... maybe not, what with no airbags (but then no Airbag recalls either) and a bloody great bull bar up front.
It would probably smash their crash barrier, just like I did to the poor little Nissan Micra that I rear ended in the rain a few years ago .. with just a slight bend to my Bull Bar.
Her fault of course because she was sitting stationary in the middle of an intersection with no lights, not even the foot brake .. checking a map for the location of her new place of work just up the road. (just kidding about being her fault .. but the cop didn't book me as I admitted blame .. failing to keep a proper look out? .. said that he didn't want to spend the next few hours doing paperwork required if he had to book someone ... he was just finishing his shift .. so I took the hint & accepted blame)
LOL