Climate activist Tim Flannery is the force behind a band of former state fire and emergency chiefs accusing Scott Morrison of abandoning­ bushfires across the nation and demanding an immediat­e end to the burning of fossil fuels. The Australian has confirmed Emergency Leaders for Clima­te Action 29 ex-fire chiefs led by former NSW Fire and Rescue commissioner Greg Mullins is funded by Professor Flannerys crowd-funded Climate Council as an official project.
Source: Brad Norington, News Corp

Fire chiefs climate group a pet project of activist Tim Flannery

Note: Greg Mullins is on Flannery's Climate Council.

Angie, I wonder if the arsonists charged include the juveniles from Purfleet, Taree, NSW Aborigine settlement who, it was reported, were chased by police and as they rode away on bikes one shouted that they own the land and will burn it if they want to.

Apparently there is suspicion that they caused at least one other bushfire in the area.

I worry about future insurance premiums for house and property rising more because of the many fires. And I am angry the more I read and hear about the lack of rubbish removal and burning permits, apparently fewer have been issued as the years past by and now the result is wildfires. But until the destruction the claim was that National Parks are for preserving those areas for future generations.

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Angie, I wonder if the arsonists charged include the juveniles from Purfleet, Taree, NSW Aborigine settlement who, it was reported, were chased by police and as they rode away on bikes one shouted that they own the land and will burn it if they want to.

Apparently there is suspicion that they caused at least one other bushfire in the area.

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 Dennis, with what we have all seen of our judicial system and some of the decisions which seem to deny victims of any satisfaction then I would imagine that the excuses screamed as they were fleeing the scene would be a good reason for a magistrate to dismiss or consider a lot lesser penalty.

I heard on another news service this morning that a judge let an offender off after he held a female Ambo in a headlock.

Where this all will end I dont know, but the energy that many are seen to be putting in to cripple this country with outlandish claims in the support of global warming would be better to direct their efforts to ensure perpetrators of serious crimes like arson and assault are dealt with by the courts in a manner which the majority of the population would expect.

I think I have said part of this previously...all alarmists should plant a tree and stop donating money by crowd funding to extremest groups with a dictator as a leader.

Regards

Angie

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Having lived in the Perth hills area for nearly 50 years, ever present bushfires have always been part of living in a heavily treed environment. It is the cost of wanting to live in this wonderful area. Years ago, controlled burns were the go and we had few catastrophic fires, but then pressure from green groups who had no idea caused a cessation to this. We have had some terrible fires here during that period, with enormous fuel loads in the forests. Just had to do a short walk out behind my place to see this. They have now commenced control burning again thank God and common sense. They should have been listening to our indigenous brothers who have been doing this for thousands of years. Yes I believe that we are experiencing climate change. How much of it is a natural cycle and how much is man made is still debatable and certainly how much mankind can do about it is really the question. What I do know is that Australia produces 1.3% of the world's greenhouse gases. So even if we stop all our animals from passing wind and turned the lights out tomorrow so that we didn't produce one more once of greenhouse gas, it would not make one iota of difference to climate change. That's the reality. Anything we do as a nation will be symbolic only. The other complex issue is stopping things like coal. This is Australia's 2nd largest export commodity. The revenue from this is astronomical. The number of people it keeps employed is large. So the huge dilemma for any government is what are we going to do if we lose that revenue and have a large number of people hitting the dole queue. What are we prepared to sacrifice for this? Our standard of living is going to go south without a doubt. Are you willing to have far less government services, pressures for pension reductions etc? Are you prepared to stop caravanning? It may come to that. Food for thought isn't it.

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 Absolutely true Greg,but far too much thinking involved for the greenies,who seem to live in Lala Land.Cheers

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Knight wrote:

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Greta's 19 years old German rival from the sensible right, and not a stooge for anybody but rejected by IPCC Conference management from attending.

thedailycoin.org/2019/12/16/you-gotta-hear-gretas-teen-rival-video/

 

Did you learn about Greta's train stunt being exposed by the train operator? She claimed that she had to sit on the floor of a crowded carriage on a sustainable renewables powered train. A picture of her sitting on the floor surrounded by bags was published.

The operators responded that Greta and minders had been issued first class seats and were well looked after by the train crew. 

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 Usual disclaimer, sorry if I am going off topic from the OP in regards to Mr Mullins
Also I am not here to start a bunfight, and I stopped watching the 34 minute video, about Greta teen rival, at about 10 minutes, as the narrator seemed to be going round in circles

But to answer the bit about Greta's train stunt being exposed by the train operator?

Looking at the link below

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/15/europe/greta-thunberg-german-train-trnd/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fedition_travel+%28RSS%3A+CNNi+-+Travel%29

My understanding was that, (perhaps others can make up their own mind, as my link is only two pages long)

1. Greta Thunberg tweeted a picture sitting on the floor of a train, she said was crowded
2. Railway initially tweeted thanking her, for helping them, in their fight against climate change
3. Later on, (perhaps a spin doctor), tweeted that she actually had a first class seat
4. Greta Thunberg replied
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   Our train from Basel was taken out of traffic. So we sat on the floor on 2 different trains. After Göttingen I got a seat," she said. "This is no problem of course and I never said it was."
   "Overcrowded trains is a great sign," she added, "because it means the demand for train travel is high!"
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Unfortunately, as with most scientific or statistical arguments, everything can be skewed to suit the point of view being argued, and all sides have their extremists.

Not interested in either right wing or left wing propaganda. I just fail to see how trying to improve things on this planet can be bad for society. I know for sure, no more dinosaurs are being killed to make fossil fuel, so someone better come up with something pretty quickly to replace it economically, otherwise we will really have something to complain about price wise! Of course, as a cynic, I suspect just as the last T Rex goes in the tank, the fuel saviour will be announced at a super special price.

One thing I can guarantee is that nothing will happen without the rich getting richer, and the workers being convinced they need to work harder for the good of all (meaning the rich generally). And I am not even on the socialist side of the argument, just a cynical 60+!

You might be interested in a recent submission explaining that climate change is natural organised by a Dutch Scientist and signed by hundreds of others;

saltbushclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/world-climate-declaration-20191120.pdf

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Unfortunately, as with most scientific or statistical arguments, everything can be skewed to suit the point of view being argued, and all sides have their extremists.

Not interested in either right wing or left wing propaganda. I just fail to see how trying to improve things on this planet can be bad for society. I know for sure, no more dinosaurs are being killed to make fossil fuel, so someone better come up with something pretty quickly to replace it economically, otherwise we will really have something to complain about price wise! Of course, as a cynic, I suspect just as the last T Rex goes in the tank, the fuel saviour will be announced at a super special price.

One thing I can guarantee is that nothing will happen without the rich getting richer, and the workers seeing convinced they need to work harder for the good of all (meaning the rich generally). And I am not even on the socialist side of the argument, just a cynical 60+!

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 I am neither right or left wing,  the bush, that includes national parks should be burnt off at least every two years,  tree top fires will never be controlled. The green movement and the stupid pollies will not listen to people who have lived in the bush all their lives and know how to manage the bush.

Their are too many people who have been to uni and got a couple of letters after their name, think they know every thing. And as for the greenies they are too stupid for words.

Greta again;

From a commentator elsewhere ...

"O/T The media is still on fire with the Greta Thunberg train trip and being on an overcrowded train. She implied that she couldn't get a seat.

She was returning home to Stockholm. It is confirmed that she was travelling with the Deutsche Bahn train company.

Greta forget to tell her twitter follows that she travelled on two inter city trains in Germany before she connected to the train that took her into Sweden. Those inter city trains allow for standing room, much like the journey from Sydney to the Central Coast. A case of first on board get the seats.

When she connected to the train that took her into Sweden, a seat reservation is included in the ticket -

From the Deutche Bahn website -

"Affordable travel between Germany and Sweden

Tickets for short journeys, such as Hamburg - Malmö, can cost as little as EUR 39.90.
Ticket prices for longer journeys, such as Hamburg - Stockholm, start at EUR 59.90.

Advantages

Seat reservation included
Tickets are available up to 3 months in advance
Ticket includes ferry link across the Fehmarn Belt"

www.bahn.com/en/view/offers/europe/saver-fare-europe-sweden.shtml

Note - "SEAT RESERVATION INCLUDED"

Why did Greta need to bad mouth Deutsche Bahn? All for the sake of more publicity."

Knight adds that she and her minders were given first class seats by the train operators.

Greg, nuclear energy is back on the table and a parliamentary committee has been formed to consider the matter again, last inquiry during the Howard Government terms favoured modular nuclear generator units, small factory unit dimension single generator design now in operation overseas. So to replace a 4 generator unit coal fired, steam driven, power station would require 4 nuclear.

A Government MP appeared on a Sky News segment recently to talk about what the committee is doing.

The stumbling blocks will include possible opposition in Canberra from opposition because of the no-nuclear agreement signed after the Howard Inquiry delivered the recommendation. The other might be state governments refusing to cooperate, and they have the constitutional power on development applications needed and other approvals. The PM recently said state governments stand in the way of new coal and gas fired power stations and that he cannot make progress on reliable baseload generators unless the state governments cooperate.

I assume that readers understand that fuel whatever it is including nuclear energy is for heating water to produce steam to drive steam turbines attached to generators.

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I try not to get too wound up by ideologues like young Greta. They usually are being steered and coached by faceless people behind the scenes with their own agenda on both sides of the issue. The hysteria being generated by the subject of climate change stifles any sort of rational discussion or debate on the subject, and really does inhibit us arriving at answers that may assist. The media does not help in this when it greedily laps up and shows images of a poor women who has lost her house in the NSW fires, screaming at a politician about what he is going to do to stop it. I felt for her but really? Not really rational and she obviously wasn't in a fit frame of mind to be rational so why show it all over national tv? I, like many, would like to see an end to coal generated power, but we need a viable alternative for base load generation. Renewables currently don't fit that particular slot due to their variable nature, and so we need to look at other alternatives. Nuclear should be back on the table, as modern power plants are a far cry from the likes of Chernobyl or Fukushima. The Greens need to get over their pathological hatred of anything with a nuclear symbol attached, and have some rational discussion on this technology. It maybe the means by which the government can solve the jobs and revenue issue as well. Just transfer to Uranium mining. Whether this is the answer I don't know but the discussion needs to be had.

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 So true Greg. 

Aussie Paul. 

One of small issues with nuclear power is indemnity insurance. The owner/operator of the plant will need to have insurance for let's say $20billion & then the government, in other words us, wear the cost beyond that when thing go wrong.

The climate changes and always has done, Earth Cycles.

History reveals that there have been much warmer than the present periods and much colder periods, and depending on which climate zone drier and wetter periods.

In our climate zone there was a long time ago lush tropical rainforests, the Sahara Desert was not a desert, many Earth Cycles and changes in the past and for the future.

About 130,000 years ago here steadily drier conditions developed and the rainforests retreated, now only 3 per cent of forests here. The vegetation now (and introduced since 1788) copes with droughts, heatwaves, bushfires and flooding rains. In fact occasional fire is needed for most of the bush to regerminate.

Contrary to the political deception that is global warming by CO2 (a nonsense) and climate change that might be stopped hoax, the temperature fluctuation has been slight for a long time and while recovering from the last little ice age we have been enjoying one of the best times for living conditions.

Could get interesting? Well there is a solar decline underway, a Maunder Minimum, and last time this happened the last Little Ice Age took place, River Thames in London iced solid in longer winter periods that extended from late Autumn into early Spring, and some in between years warmer.

Carbon Dioxide, CO2, is essential for life, plant food, the Chinese delegation to the IPCC Copenhagen Conference reported three warmer periods than at that time during 3,600 years of records in China, each bringing greater prosperity as crop yields increased. CO2 has been much more that 400 ppm (0.004%) in the atmosphere. In US Nuclear Submarines 8,000 ppm is often recorded while submerged (humans breath out odourless and invisible CO2 that only Greta can see) without harm to the crew.

In an ideal world there would be 1,500 to 2,000 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere, in fact the tiny increase now being blamed for warming is one reason why our bushland is becoming tangled with new undergrowth. Ice core sampling evidence reveals the truth about Earth Cycles, and the Wollemi Pine discovered a few years ago and now being cultivated is the only known survivor of the rainforests.

Please research the politics, they want us to concentrate on their diversion climate change hoax while they achieve their political objectives.

A good starting point: Maurice Strong, climate crook.

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2015/12/discovering-maurice-strong/

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Bushfire and general fire fighting is the responsibility of state governments, they employ full time fire fighters and are also responsible for volunteer units. The federal government can be asked for financial help and for Australian Defence Forces personnel and equipment, but most are not fire fighting trained except for base fire fighting units.

ADF helicopters and road vehicles have been assisting with movement of people and supplies during the present wild fires and the Minister for Defence just announced deployment of Army Engineers and earth moving equipment to cut fire breaks where needed, and more helicopters Army and Navy for fire water bombing.

The now biggest water bombing aircraft in Australia, a Boeing 737 tanker and bomber dedicated to fighting fires was purchased by the NSW Government in 2018 in preparation for what was predicted could be a seriously bad bushfire season. A chartered DC10 water bomber was added recently to an impressive NSW aircraft fleet. And both federal and NSW governments increased funding for fire fighting in 2018/19 financial year, continuing into 2019/20 financial year.

Ignore Tom Foolery and his ratbag Climate Council, and the former fire chiefs they recruited, Council Member Mullins included, who laughably claim to have predicted a bad fire season in April 2019, the serving fire personnel realised that in 2018 and requested more equipment including the 737 aircraft purchased by the NSW Lib-Nat Government and chartered DC10 aircraft. It's not about any change in climate, that's political propaganda. The massive fuel load combined with bushfire season, fuel load built up by a lack of land management and permits to manage by people intent on "preserving national parks for future generations" until extremely hot wild fire wiped them out and killed creatures within, plus damage and deaths in surrounding human habitats.

The Prime Minister criticised for taking a one week family holiday before Christmas who has a busy work schedule after Christmas into New Year. The Deputy PM is Acting PM while he is away. Premiers are responsible for fire fighting activities.

Insurance prices will increase. Most certainly will, because of the blind stupidity and neglect of land by the zealots of climate change hoax and followers who are taken in by their deceptive advertising and propaganda.

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Apparently, some vegetation types cannot be burned off because of safety issues. When the weather is right, the vegetation is too wet. When the vegetation is dry enough, it is not safe to burn anything. Further, fuel load has no effect on intensity of the fire when the conditions are extreme. More and more evidence and information is coming to light that says the fuel reduction proponents need to do a lot more thinking.

www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-20/hazard-reduction-burns-bushfires/11817336

Those whose whole argument is based on blaming something called the Greenies and by trying to discredit credentialed individuals by calling them ratbags and fools simply show that they don't have a clue, and certainly, no solution.

Iza

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 For sure....seems that,for many thousands of years,our indigenous friends had absolutely no idea how to manage undergrowth,forest fires,back burning and the like,which their very survival depended on.They no doubt will be happy to learn from modern day greenies and people who sit in air-conditioned offices giving advice? Yeah,right. Cheers

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I dont know why you dont just let up a bit knight, all you are doing is replying to yourself. I wonder whether that is the same as talking to oneself.
Have a nice day
cheers
blaze

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 Sorry if the truth annoys you, but looking at the number of people who have opened this to read there are hundreds of them, 896 including we who have posted comments.

wink!

Blaze, when I don't agree with what has been posted I respond with information that supports my opinion that the information is incorrect - hint.

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The Australian Aborigines didn't have a clue, the grasslands that early white settlers discovered just happened, probably when the climate was cooler and less CO2 in the atmosphere - sarc.

And now the tangled undergrowth in places like the Snowy Mountains high country replacing those grasslands is coal being burnt.

Or maybe a lack of land management since Greens got involved in councils and other places, UN Agenda 30, etc?

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The Australian Aborigines didn't have a clue, the grasslands that early white settlers discovered just happened, probably when the climate was cooler and less CO2 in the atmosphere - sarc.

And now the tangled undergrowth in places like the Snowy Mountains high country replacing those grasslands is coal being burnt.

Or maybe a lack of land management since Greens got involved in councils and other places, UN Agenda 30, etc?

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 Have to disagree there....are you aware of how Aborigines used back burning to create cool breezes for themselves? Cheers

Yobarr I was being sarcastic and responding to your comment with which I agree.