When one has reached Grey Nomad status one is not dumb enough to need a social distancing app!
SaGDay said
02:45 PM Apr 28, 2020
Magnarc wrote:
I would be interested to get the views of the tribe regarding the app that the government wants us to download.
Unsure about it myself!!!!!!!!
Yes. Like Cassie 63 the Government has always had our data and yes we signed up yesterday as well. If this can kep just one person saf eit had done it's job, as that person may be me or even you
blaze said
03:16 PM Apr 28, 2020
Whenarewethere wrote:
When one has reached Grey Nomad status one is not dumb enough to need a social distancing app!
reading some of the comments, some grey nomads need a cage and cuffs
cheers
blaze
Bicyclecamper said
05:05 PM Apr 28, 2020
I don't own a phone, gave it away, after stopping work. Do have a Sat. phone, for emergencies. If I did have a phone, would not load this app anyway. I am very law abiding, but before you guys say, well you are monitored on your computer, I am not as have a secure V-N. I am not into the government or anybody, watching me like a hawk. I just want to be left alone. Maybe MY PTSD, has a play in it somehow.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Tuesday 28th of April 2020 05:11:25 PM
fwdoz said
05:18 PM Apr 28, 2020
Downloaded the app yesterday & have no issue poor battery life. Quite happy to do my bit for the greater good. We are lucky that we live where we do & the correct measures that have been taken are the reason for our extremely low numbers of cases/deaths.
The 0.03% that are blase or just dont get it are an outbreak waiting to happen.
dieseltojo said
06:57 PM Apr 28, 2020
Yep I know a grey nomad that drove to a holiday block two weeks ago, against Government advice. reams of justification.
Who could possibly suggest that just cos your a bit older you are smarter.
Foolish grumpy old folk started out as foolish younger folks. Not me of course.....
Dick0 said
08:01 PM Apr 28, 2020
Like any App...you can install it if "you" so decide and...you can always uninstall it if "you" so decide.
No need to be lectured here though about what I should or should not be doing!
My view.
blaze said
08:22 PM Apr 28, 2020
Dick0 wrote:
Like any App...you can install it if "you" so decide and...you can always uninstall it if "you" so decide.
No need to be lectured here though about what I should or should not be doing!
My view.
no one lectured yo dicko, they have as you have, had an opinion
cheers
blaze
delatite said
08:59 PM Apr 28, 2020
I downloaded it. As for power consumption I have noticed no difference in the battery since installed.
If you have a weak battery you may but if your battery is in good condition I don't think there is any problem.
gold dandelion said
10:11 PM Apr 28, 2020
downloaded our THREE phones yesterday, for people to say it is an over reaction must not have a radio or TV either. unless the Italians, Yanks & Poms are trying to scare monger us as well.
Cupie said
10:57 PM Apr 28, 2020
Whenarewethere wrote:
I use an Android phone & a Mac computer so not familiar with an iPhone.
I heard on ABC RN that there is an issue with Bluetooth on the iPhone that Bluetooth doesn't run in the background.
Not sure what the issue may be, but my iPhone seems to 'run in background' as it auto connects to my car's handsfree system whenever I am in range.
Gundog said
03:23 AM Apr 29, 2020
This thread proves one thing the majority of users are addicted to their mobile phones, which we are not. For us it's only used to make or receive phone calls and the odd text, the number of people that have our phone number is limited to our family and a few close friends. They know we don't carry the phone with us when we go out.
One person commented we should get the app and carry our phone (not real practical because the phone is actually a tablet) plus we are in a locality where there is no recorded infections, then you stop and consider that almost 50% of all infections is attributed to NSW / Sydney.
Watching 7 news from Sydney last night, almost 30 minutes the hour was drivel about Covid-19 related stories, take out sport, weather and advertising there was little other news.
Gundog said
03:50 AM Apr 29, 2020
I have just finished reading the covid19 information from the SA dept of health, SA has 16 active cases, of which 15 are in metro Adelaide and 1 in Mt Gambier, then a look at QLD the majority is centered on metro area and Gold Coast, with 5 cases on the sunshine coast, there are regions of QLD that have no infections period, Victoria's data not as informative as other states. With around 1000 cases nationally active I say at a rough guess 90% are in metro areas, so if you don't live in the city you have little to be concerned about.
blaze said
04:21 AM Apr 29, 2020
I live 80km away from the epi centre in tassie, A small regional town. It was started by 1 passenger off a cruise ship.
It has shut 2 hospitals, isolated/quarantined 5000 staff and families, shut down all busness apart from accentual services all in a little over 2 weeks
ya dreaming gundog
cheers
blaze
The Expats.....The article is only a month out of date (dated 31 March)
How effective is the app when you have an entire state with 1 case outside the metro area.
Kaid said
10:21 AM Apr 29, 2020
I tried to download it but it said I needed an iPhone.
Dont have iPhone so it said to download it on google play.
Wouldnt download
Dick0 said
10:29 PM Apr 29, 2020
blaze wrote:
Dick0 wrote:
Like any App...you can install it if "you" so decide and...you can always uninstall it if "you" so decide.
No need to be lectured here though about what I should or should not be doing!
My view.
no one lectured yo dicko, they have as you have, had an opinion
cheers
blaze
Good onya Blaze,
Ya must have thought you were the culprit.
blaze said
11:08 PM Apr 29, 2020
Dick0 wrote:
blaze wrote:
Dick0 wrote:
Like any App...you can install it if "you" so decide and...you can always uninstall it if "you" so decide.
No need to be lectured here though about what I should or should not be doing!
My view.
no one lectured yo dicko, they have as you have, had an opinion
cheers
blaze
Good onya Blaze,
Ya must have thought you were the culprit.
no
Gundog said
05:59 AM Apr 30, 2020
I seriously question the effectiveness of this app, and revelence when you look some states/territories, the NT has 3 active cases all are in hospital no new cases since the 6th of april, SA has 14 of which 4 are in hospital no new cases in the past 24 hours, then look at the 2 largest states WA & QLD both with less than 100 active cases and yet there are large regions of both states virus free.
The narrative seems to lead to NSW, where the app Is most likely to be effective, less effective in metro Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide.
JayDee said
09:17 AM Apr 30, 2020
WE have downloaded the app.
Anyone who does not approve of downloading the app., may regret same action at a later date.
The powers to be know what they are taking about by approving the app for all of us.
Jay&Dee
Aussie1 said
09:52 AM Apr 30, 2020
JayDee wrote:
WE have downloaded the app.
Anyone who does not approve of downloading the app., may regret same action at a later date.
The powers to be know what they are taking about by approving the app for all of us.
Jay&Dee
Hi Jay&Dee,
We have also. As have all the sensible people out there. Some just don't get it. Stay safe.
Ray
Mike Harding said
10:01 AM Apr 30, 2020
JayDee wrote:The powers to be know what they are taking about by approving the app for all of us.
Such touching naivety :)
The word on the street is the Apple app. has been reverse compiled (I imagine the Android one has too) and has a number of significant flaws not the least of it is its ability to operate, correctly, as a background process 'cause Apple don't like people messing with location services if GPS is not active and Bluetooth is in that basket.
Now, Bluetooth: a more frustrating frigging protocol there never was! I can hardly stop laughing: 1.5m they say, 1.5m ha, ha, ha! Have they found a new way to stop radio waves propagating? Have they found a new way to stop radio waves reflecting? Each of these wonderful discoveries would be worth a Nobel Prize in its own right.
Download and run it if you like but it's a waste of taxpayer's money.
Atlassian co-chief executive Mike Cannon-Brookes has been a vocal supporter of the contact tracing app, urging other tech founders and workers to back it and encourage others to download it.
"Commend the government on some smart privacy and security choices (data deleted after 21 days, open source code, . . ."
Why does open source code need to be reverse engineered?
Mike Harding said
11:46 AM Apr 30, 2020
dorian wrote:Why does open source code need to be reverse engineered?
It is my understanding that some, or all, of the source is not publicly available code.
In any event, there is no guarantee what is in the binary is represented in the source and with Apple and Android build platforms it is very difficult to create a binary which perfectly reflects the publicly available one - additionally self modifying code is always a possibility.
In this case I don't think it's so much a case of trust but much more one of the competence of the designers and programmers of the app.
I have just finished reading the covid19 information from the SA dept of health, SA has 16 active cases, of which 15 are in metro Adelaide and 1 in Mt Gambier, then a look at QLD the majority is centered on metro area and Gold Coast, with 5 cases on the sunshine coast, there are regions of QLD that have no infections period, Victoria's data not as informative as other states. With around 1000 cases nationally active I say at a rough guess 90% are in metro areas, so if you don't live in the city you have little to be concerned about.
And it all started with ONE person.
Magnarc said
01:43 PM Apr 30, 2020
As the bloke who started this thread I have read all the replies with interest, and your input has helped me make a decision, thank you all.
Gundog said
01:44 PM Apr 30, 2020
Bryan not very correct, it really started in Australia with the Ruby Princess and multiple people returning to Oz from across the world who were never tested, but allowed to travel back to their homes.
Gundog said
01:53 PM Apr 30, 2020
But this is about the app, how can app warn you of covid19 if the majority of the population are not tested.
A good example is my son who had the sniffles, went to a doctor , eventually he was tested, it took 3 days for the to advise him he was clear, at no time was he told to self isolate until the test results came back. Just think if the result was positive, he could have cross infected numerous people he came into contact with in the course of his job.
At last there is movement back to normallity, the NT opens pubs, cafes and restraunts on the 15th may and other activities crowd number etc start tomorrow.
-- Edited by Gundog on Thursday 30th of April 2020 04:27:25 PM
Greystone said
04:42 PM Apr 30, 2020
If your son's results were positive and he had the app running on his phone, then the authorities would ask him to upload his app data to the national data base. And then every phone contact on his app recorded in the preceding 21 days would be sent a message that you have been in the proximity someone who was tested positive. It's then up to that recipient to decide whether or not he/she would go for a test. If your son didn't have the app, then all those people would have no idea until they come down with the virus and are subsequently tested. By that time they would have been in contact with numerous other people and so on. It really is a no brainer!
When one has reached Grey Nomad status one is not dumb enough to need a social distancing app!
Yes. Like Cassie 63 the Government has always had our data and yes we signed up yesterday as well. If this can kep just one person saf eit had done it's job, as that person may be me or even you
reading some of the comments, some grey nomads need a cage and cuffs
cheers
blaze
I don't own a phone, gave it away, after stopping work. Do have a Sat. phone, for emergencies. If I did have a phone, would not load this app anyway. I am very law abiding, but before you guys say, well you are monitored on your computer, I am not as have a secure V-N. I am not into the government or anybody, watching me like a hawk. I just want to be left alone. Maybe MY PTSD, has a play in it somehow.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Tuesday 28th of April 2020 05:11:25 PM
Downloaded the app yesterday & have no issue poor battery life. Quite happy to do my bit for the greater good. We are lucky that we live where we do & the correct measures that have been taken are the reason for our extremely low numbers of cases/deaths.
The 0.03% that are blase or just dont get it are an outbreak waiting to happen.
Yep I know a grey nomad that drove to a holiday block two weeks ago, against Government advice. reams of justification.
Who could possibly suggest that just cos your a bit older you are smarter.
Foolish grumpy old folk started out as foolish younger folks.
Not me of course.....
Like any App...you can install it if "you" so decide and...you can always uninstall it if "you" so decide.
No need to be lectured here though about what I should or should not be doing!
My view.
no one lectured yo dicko, they have as you have, had an opinion
cheers
blaze
I downloaded it. As for power consumption I have noticed no difference in the battery since installed.
If you have a weak battery you may but if your battery is in good condition I don't think there is any problem.
Not sure what the issue may be, but my iPhone seems to 'run in background' as it auto connects to my car's handsfree system whenever I am in range.
It has shut 2 hospitals, isolated/quarantined 5000 staff and families, shut down all busness apart from accentual services all in a little over 2 weeks
ya dreaming gundog
cheers
blaze
Umm
I tried to download it but it said I needed an iPhone.
Dont have iPhone so it said to download it on google play.
Wouldnt download
Good onya Blaze,
Ya must have thought you were the culprit.
no
WE have downloaded the app.
Anyone who does not approve of downloading the app., may regret same action at a later date.
The powers to be know what they are taking about by approving the app for all of us.
Jay&Dee
Hi Jay&Dee,
We have also. As have all the sensible people out there. Some just don't get it. Stay safe.
Ray
Such touching naivety :)
The word on the street is the Apple app. has been reverse compiled (I imagine the Android one has too) and has a number of significant flaws not the least of it is its ability to operate, correctly, as a background process 'cause Apple don't like people messing with location services if GPS is not active and Bluetooth is in that basket.
Now, Bluetooth: a more frustrating frigging protocol there never was! I can hardly stop laughing: 1.5m they say, 1.5m ha, ha, ha! Have they found a new way to stop radio waves propagating? Have they found a new way to stop radio waves reflecting? Each of these wonderful discoveries would be worth a Nobel Prize in its own right.
Download and run it if you like but it's a waste of taxpayer's money.
https://www.innovationaus.com/atlassian-and-the-covidsafe-team/
Atlassian co-chief executive Mike Cannon-Brookes has been a vocal supporter of the contact tracing app, urging other tech founders and workers to back it and encourage others to download it.
"Commend the government on some smart privacy and security choices (data deleted after 21 days, open source code, . . ."
Why does open source code need to be reverse engineered?
It is my understanding that some, or all, of the source is not publicly available code.
In any event, there is no guarantee what is in the binary is represented in the source and with Apple and Android build platforms it is very difficult to create a binary which perfectly reflects the publicly available one - additionally self modifying code is always a possibility.
In this case I don't think it's so much a case of trust but much more one of the competence of the designers and programmers of the app.
Another link for you:
https://decrypt.co/26773/uproar-in-france-over-mass-surveillance-coronavirus-app
And it all started with ONE person.
As the bloke who started this thread I have read all the replies with interest, and your input has helped me make a decision, thank you all.
But this is about the app, how can app warn you of covid19 if the majority of the population are not tested.
A good example is my son who had the sniffles, went to a doctor , eventually he was tested, it took 3 days for the to advise him he was clear, at no time was he told to self isolate until the test results came back. Just think if the result was positive, he could have cross infected numerous people he came into contact with in the course of his job.
At last there is movement back to normallity, the NT opens pubs, cafes and restraunts on the 15th may and other activities crowd number etc start tomorrow.
-- Edited by Gundog on Thursday 30th of April 2020 04:27:25 PM