Yes very good point which I agree with 100% I asked before, how can you do a GCM upgrade giving a vehicle another tonne of capacity without upgrading the entire powertrain brakes and engine and expect it to perform as it should is beyond me. If Ford, Toyota, Nissan Isuzu etc all believed that their vehicles could safely do those numbers, don't you think they would be trumpeting that from the rooftops. They would be selling suspension upgrades as an option and loving it. I wonder how far Lovells would cover you if you blew a trannie or an engine towing that load they upgraded to. You will be on your pat malone I can tell you.
Hi
Why would you disclose to the service centre what your towing weight is its really none of there business you pay for there overpriced services so you should expect no major problems even if towing a bit of extra weight and when the warranty is over its on you so be it
cheers
Hi John....you have been exceptionally lucky to be treated as you have by Isuzu.Greg has outlined the legal position,so I can only surmise that Isuzu have chosen to simply do the work,instead of 'rocking the boat' and enduring endless scrutiny and criticism by the many self appointed 'eggspurts' on social media. Perhaps I am getting old,but I cannot understand how people can simply choose to modify the rules regarding warranties,to suit themselves. Perhaps,one day,we will return to a position where one is responsible for one's actions? Let's hope so.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Sunday 3rd of January 2021 07:26:45 PM
travelyounger said
09:12 PM Jan 3, 2021
yobarr wrote:
travelyounger wrote:
Greg 1 wrote:
Yes very good point which I agree with 100% I asked before, how can you do a GCM upgrade giving a vehicle another tonne of capacity without upgrading the entire powertrain brakes and engine and expect it to perform as it should is beyond me. If Ford, Toyota, Nissan Isuzu etc all believed that their vehicles could safely do those numbers, don't you think they would be trumpeting that from the rooftops. They would be selling suspension upgrades as an option and loving it. I wonder how far Lovells would cover you if you blew a trannie or an engine towing that load they upgraded to. You will be on your pat malone I can tell you.
Hi
Why would you disclose to the service centre what your towing weight is its really none of there business you pay for there overpriced services so you should expect no major problems even if towing a bit of extra weight and when the warranty is over its on you so be it
cheers
Hi John....you have been exceptionally lucky to be treated as you have by Isuzu.Greg has outlined the legal position,so I can only surmise that Isuzu have chosen to simply do the work,instead of 'rocking the boat' and enduring endless scrutiny and criticism by the many self appointed 'eggspurts' on social media. Perhaps I am getting old,but I cannot understand how people can simply choose to modify the rules regarding warranties,to suit themselves. Perhaps,one day,we will return to a position where one is responsible for one's actions? Let's hope so.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Sunday 3rd of January 2021 07:26:45 PM
Lets hope you are also referring to yourself in that post Chris as I believe you also have modified your vehicle but if you are out of your warranty period I suppose you will have nothing to worry about and you were lucky as well
cheers
Bill B said
10:23 PM Jan 3, 2021
yobarr wrote:
and enduring endless scrutiny and criticism by the many self appointed 'eggspurts' on social media.
Bit hypocritical me thinks
-- Edited by Bill B on Sunday 3rd of January 2021 10:28:53 PM
yobarr said
08:25 AM Jan 4, 2021
travelyounger wrote:
yobarr wrote:
travelyounger wrote:
Greg 1 wrote:
Yes very good point which I agree with 100% I asked before, how can you do a GCM upgrade giving a vehicle another tonne of capacity without upgrading the entire powertrain brakes and engine and expect it to perform as it should is beyond me. If Ford, Toyota, Nissan Isuzu etc all believed that their vehicles could safely do those numbers, don't you think they would be trumpeting that from the rooftops. They would be selling suspension upgrades as an option and loving it. I wonder how far Lovells would cover you if you blew a trannie or an engine towing that load they upgraded to. You will be on your pat malone I can tell you.
Hi
Why would you disclose to the service centre what your towing weight is its really none of there business you pay for there overpriced services so you should expect no major problems even if towing a bit of extra weight and when the warranty is over its on you so be itcheers
Hi John....you have been exceptionally lucky to be treated as you have by Isuzu.Greg has outlined the legal position,so I can only surmise that Isuzu have chosen to simply do the work,instead of 'rocking the boat' and enduring endless scrutiny and criticism by the many self appointed 'eggspurts' on social media. Perhaps I am getting old,but I cannot understand how people can simply choose to modify the rules regarding warranties,to suit themselves. Perhaps,one day,we will return to a position where one is responsible for one's actions? Let's hope so.Cheers-- Edited by yobarr on Sunday 3rd of January 2021 07:26:45 PM
Lets hope you are also referring to yourself in that post Chris as I believe you also have modified your vehicle but if you are out of your warranty period I suppose you will have nothing to worry about and you were lucky as well
cheers
Hi John..My car had a FACTORY GCM rating of 6800kg,which it still has.Ex- factory,my axle ratings were 1480kg front axle,and 2300kg rear,and still are.All I have done is get these axle ratings combined to take full advantage of their capacities,and gain the benefit of a 3780kg GVM.On the other hand,your car has factory GCM of only 6000kg,and axle ratings of 1350kg front axle,and 1870kg rear.Thus,major work was required to increase these ratings to 1450kg front axle,and 2150kg rear.You then were given a new GVM rating of 3600kg,along with a mind-boggling GCM rating of 7000kg. (Not 7100kg,as you previously claimed.) No doubt having analysed their own extensive data regarding your little engine,the transmission,the brakes and the springs etc,the manufacturer of your car chose to give it a GVM rating of 2950kg,said that it could tow 3500kg,and gave it a 6000kg GCM rating.They gave you a warranty,no doubt based on these figures? Do you really think that it is fair,reasonable or responsible of you to now expect them to honour such warranty when you have decided that this little bus can handle a 22% increase in its GVM rating,and a 17% increase in its GCM rating when it still has the same little engine,the same transmission,and I assume the same brakes that it had at the lower ratings? At some stage people have to take responsibility for their own actions.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 4th of January 2021 09:04:18 AM
travelyounger said
09:44 AM Jan 4, 2021
yobarr wrote:
travelyounger wrote:
yobarr wrote:
travelyounger wrote:
Greg 1 wrote:
Yes very good point which I agree with 100% I asked before, how can you do a GCM upgrade giving a vehicle another tonne of capacity without upgrading the entire powertrain brakes and engine and expect it to perform as it should is beyond me. If Ford, Toyota, Nissan Isuzu etc all believed that their vehicles could safely do those numbers, don't you think they would be trumpeting that from the rooftops. They would be selling suspension upgrades as an option and loving it. I wonder how far Lovells would cover you if you blew a trannie or an engine towing that load they upgraded to. You will be on your pat malone I can tell you.
Hi
Why would you disclose to the service centre what your towing weight is its really none of there business you pay for there overpriced services so you should expect no major problems even if towing a bit of extra weight and when the warranty is over its on you so be itcheers
Hi John....you have been exceptionally lucky to be treated as you have by Isuzu.Greg has outlined the legal position,so I can only surmise that Isuzu have chosen to simply do the work,instead of 'rocking the boat' and enduring endless scrutiny and criticism by the many self appointed 'eggspurts' on social media. Perhaps I am getting old,but I cannot understand how people can simply choose to modify the rules regarding warranties,to suit themselves. Perhaps,one day,we will return to a position where one is responsible for one's actions? Let's hope so.Cheers-- Edited by yobarr on Sunday 3rd of January 2021 07:26:45 PM
Lets hope you are also referring to yourself in that post Chris as I believe you also have modified your vehicle but if you are out of your warranty period I suppose you will have nothing to worry about and you were lucky as well
cheers
Hi John..My car had a FACTORY GCM rating of 6800kg,which it still has.Ex- factory,my axle ratings were 1480kg front axle,and 2300kg rear,and still are.All I have done is get these axle ratings combined to take full advantage of their capacities,and gain the benefit of a 3780kg GVM.On the other hand,your car has factory GCM of only 6000kg,and axle ratings of 1350kg front axle,and 1870kg rear.Thus,major work was required to increase these ratings to 1450kg front axle,and 2150kg rear.You then were given a new GVM rating of 3600kg,along with a mind-boggling GCM rating of 7000kg. (Not 7100kg,as you previously claimed.) No doubt having analysed their own extensive data regarding your little engine,the transmission,the brakes and the springs etc,the manufacturer of your car chose to give it a GVM rating of 2950kg,said that it could tow 3500kg,and gave it a 6000kg GCM rating.They gave you a warranty,no doubt based on these figures? Do you really think that it is fair,reasonable or responsible of you to now expect them to honour such warranty when you have decided that this little bus can handle a 22% increase in its GVM rating,and a 17% increase in its GCM rating when it still has the same little engine,the same transmission,and I assume the same brakes that it had at the lower ratings? At some stage people have to take responsibility for their own actions.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 4th of January 2021 09:04:18 AM
Chris you like to use fancy words and characters in your posts well I have a word which sums you up to a tee you are a dogmatist and dont make up little stories like in your last post about expecting warranty to be honoured I do not recall writing that but since you have written that I would like to know how you came to that conclusion
yobarr said
10:26 AM Jan 4, 2021
travelyounger wrote:
yobarr wrote:
travelyounger wrote:
yobarr wrote:
travelyounger wrote:
Greg 1 wrote:
Yes very good point which I agree with 100% I asked before, how can you do a GCM upgrade giving a vehicle another tonne of capacity without upgrading the entire powertrain brakes and engine and expect it to perform as it should is beyond me. If Ford, Toyota, Nissan Isuzu etc all believed that their vehicles could safely do those numbers, don't you think they would be trumpeting that from the rooftops. They would be selling suspension upgrades as an option and loving it. I wonder how far Lovells would cover you if you blew a trannie or an engine towing that load they upgraded to. You will be on your pat malone I can tell you.
Hi
Why would you disclose to the service centre what your towing weight is its really none of there business you pay for there overpriced services so you should expect no major problems even if towing a bit of extra weight and when the warranty is over its on you so be itcheers
Hi John....you have been exceptionally lucky to be treated as you have by Isuzu.Greg has outlined the legal position,so I can only surmise that Isuzu have chosen to simply do the work,instead of 'rocking the boat' and enduring endless scrutiny and criticism by the many self appointed 'eggspurts' on social media. Perhaps I am getting old,but I cannot understand how people can simply choose to modify the rules regarding warranties,to suit themselves. Perhaps,one day,we will return to a position where one is responsible for one's actions? Let's hope so.Cheers-- Edited by yobarr on Sunday 3rd of January 2021 07:26:45 PM
Lets hope you are also referring to yourself in that post Chris as I believe you also have modified your vehicle but if you are out of your warranty period I suppose you will have nothing to worry about and you were lucky as well.cheers
Hi John..My car had a FACTORY GCM rating of 6800kg,which it still has.Ex- factory,my axle ratings were 1480kg front axle,and 2300kg rear,and still are.All I have done is get these axle ratings combined to take full advantage of their capacities,and gain the benefit of a 3780kg GVM.On the other hand,your car has factory GCM of only 6000kg,and axle ratings of 1350kg front axle,and 1870kg rear.Thus,major work was required to increase these ratings to 1450kg front axle,and 2150kg rear.You then were given a new GVM rating of 3600kg,along with a mind-boggling GCM rating of 7000kg. (Not 7100kg,as you previously claimed.) No doubt having analysed their own extensive data regarding your little engine,the transmission,the brakes and the springs etc,the manufacturer of your car chose to give it a GVM rating of 2950kg,said that it could tow 3500kg,and gave it a 6000kg GCM rating.They gave you a warranty,no doubt based on these figures? Do you really think that it is fair,reasonable or responsible of you to now expect them to honour such warranty when you have decided that this little bus can handle a 22% increase in its GVM rating,and a 17% increase in its GCM rating when it still has the same little engine,the same transmission,and I assume the same brakes that it had at the lower ratings? At some stage people have to take responsibility for their own actions.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 4th of January 2021 09:04:18 AM
Chris you like to use fancy words and characters in your posts well I have a word which sums you up to a tee you are a dogmatist and dont make up little stories like in your last post about expecting warranty to be honoured I do not recall writing that but since you have written that I would like to know how you came to that conclusion
Hi John....this screen shot may jog your memory? And please excuse me if my "fancy words and characters" cause you distress,but always I try to make my posts easy to read and easy to understand.This involves the use of fullstops at the ends of sentences,capital letters at the starts of new sentences,and the use of commas,question marks,exclamation marks,apostrophes etc,as required.This makes for much easier reading than does a 100 word monologue,with no punctuation.Hope this clears things for you? Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 4th of January 2021 10:30:38 AM
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 4th of January 2021 10:55:38 AM
Bill B said
11:39 AM Jan 4, 2021
Yobarr, do everyone a favour and learn how to use the quote function properly, so you don't repeat half of the thread on each post you make.
travelyounger said
02:22 PM Jan 4, 2021
I wrote.
Expect to not have any major problems not expect to have warranty work done on the little engine as was written in a previous post.I hope this clears this up but unlikely.
yobarr said
04:33 PM Jan 4, 2021
travelyounger wrote:
I wrote. Expect to not have any major problems not expect to have warranty work done on the little engine as was written in a previous post.I hope this clears this up but unlikely.
Hi John...may I draw your attention to my post of 9.26am today? If you cannot interpret your own post,what chance have I? Cheers
Greg 1 said
05:49 PM Jan 4, 2021
Tavelyounger
You asked if I was confused and thinking of chips and remapping.
No I wasn't. Any modifications period, that are not approved by the manufacturer can null and void your warranty either in full or in part.
Trust me, I used to deal with warranty claims.
This means that GVM and GCM upgrades, chips, remapping, even things like bull bars and towbars that are not manufacturer approved can have a detrimental effect on whether the manufacturer honours the vehicle warranty or parts of it or not.
A GCM upgrade that places a further tonne of load on the vehicle has the potential to cancel out your warranty on the entire powertrain, brakes, cooling system, axles hubs and chassis and anything else that could be placed under additional stress as a result.
If you go down that path, at least be aware that this might be the end result if the manufacturer so chooses. Your choice.
travelyounger said
06:38 PM Jan 4, 2021
Yes I agree with you Greg the company that does the modifications are supposed to warrant the work but that could be lots of drama
Cheers
yobarr said
06:45 PM Jan 4, 2021
travelyounger wrote:
Yes I agree with you Greg the company that does the modifications are supposed to warrant the work but that could be lots of drama Cheers
Hi John...how long have you lived in "La La" land? Do you really believe that,if your engine dies.your brakes fail,or your transmission cries "enough" that the company that upgraded your vehicle will say "Yeah John....bring it in....we'll be more than happy to sort it?" Yeah,right.Cheers
travelyounger said
07:12 PM Jan 4, 2021
Chris if you read my last post I did say there could be dramas at the end of the day if either party doesnt fix the problem it will be on the owner its happened before and it will happen again and I am not just talking about vehicles
Cheers
Hi John....you have been exceptionally lucky to be treated as you have by Isuzu.Greg has outlined the legal position,so I can only surmise that Isuzu have chosen to simply do the work,instead of 'rocking the boat' and enduring endless scrutiny and criticism by the many self appointed 'eggspurts' on social media. Perhaps I am getting old,but I cannot understand how people can simply choose to modify the rules regarding warranties,to suit themselves. Perhaps,one day,we will return to a position where one is responsible for one's actions? Let's hope so.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Sunday 3rd of January 2021 07:26:45 PM
Lets hope you are also referring to yourself in that post Chris as I believe you also have modified your vehicle but if you are out of your warranty period I suppose you will have nothing to worry about and you were lucky as well
cheers
-- Edited by Bill B on Sunday 3rd of January 2021 10:28:53 PM
Hi John..My car had a FACTORY GCM rating of 6800kg,which it still has.Ex- factory,my axle ratings were 1480kg front axle,and 2300kg rear,and still are.All I have done is get these axle ratings combined to take full advantage of their capacities,and gain the benefit of a 3780kg GVM.On the other hand,your car has factory GCM of only 6000kg,and axle ratings of 1350kg front axle,and 1870kg rear.Thus,major work was required to increase these ratings to 1450kg front axle,and 2150kg rear.You then were given a new GVM rating of 3600kg,along with a mind-boggling GCM rating of 7000kg. (Not 7100kg,as you previously claimed.) No doubt having analysed their own extensive data regarding your little engine,the transmission,the brakes and the springs etc,the manufacturer of your car chose to give it a GVM rating of 2950kg,said that it could tow 3500kg,and gave it a 6000kg GCM rating.They gave you a warranty,no doubt based on these figures? Do you really think that it is fair,reasonable or responsible of you to now expect them to honour such warranty when you have decided that this little bus can handle a 22% increase in its GVM rating,and a 17% increase in its GCM rating when it still has the same little engine,the same transmission,and I assume the same brakes that it had at the lower ratings? At some stage people have to take responsibility for their own actions.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 4th of January 2021 09:04:18 AM
Chris you like to use fancy words and characters in your posts well I have a word which sums you up to a tee you are a dogmatist and dont make up little stories like in your last post about expecting warranty to be honoured I do not recall writing that but since you have written that I would like to know how you came to that conclusion
Hi John....this screen shot may jog your memory? And please excuse me if my "fancy words and characters" cause you distress,but always I try to make my posts easy to read and easy to understand.This involves the use of fullstops at the ends of sentences,capital letters at the starts of new sentences,and the use of commas,question marks,exclamation marks,apostrophes etc,as required.This makes for much easier reading than does a 100 word monologue,with no punctuation.Hope this clears things for you? Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 4th of January 2021 10:30:38 AM
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 4th of January 2021 10:55:38 AM
Hi John...may I draw your attention to my post of 9.26am today? If you cannot interpret your own post,what chance have I? Cheers
Hi John...how long have you lived in "La La" land? Do you really believe that,if your engine dies.your brakes fail,or your transmission cries "enough" that the company that upgraded your vehicle will say "Yeah John....bring it in....we'll be more than happy to sort it?" Yeah,right.Cheers