Feds have the responsibility at the external boarders for quarantine through Border Force, Immigration and biodiversity. Once they are inside the states its the state's responsibility.
Kebbin said
09:38 AM Jun 1, 2021
The Federal Government has control of Quarantine and Aged Care according to the Constitution section 51.
Aussie1 said
10:15 AM Jun 1, 2021
bgt wrote:
The biggest single issue in Vic is that those responsible are too arrogant to learn from other state's. No one takes any blame. They then pull the lockdown trigger and blame others and expect others to pay for it. Yes something, it seems, went wrong in SA. But the fact that Vics own parliment house won't use the state's belated q code must tell you something. And why is/was Vic stock piling the vaccine?
It's time to do what that "guy" in the USA wanted done. Build a wall around Victoria. But lets not tell the Vic's it's to keep them in, but to stop the mice from invading their state. They will fall for that eh.
Rob Driver said
10:28 AM Jun 1, 2021
Aussie1 wrote:
bgt wrote:
The biggest single issue in Vic is that those responsible are too arrogant to learn from other state's. No one takes any blame. They then pull the lockdown trigger and blame others and expect others to pay for it. Yes something, it seems, went wrong in SA. But the fact that Vics own parliment house won't use the state's belated q code must tell you something. And why is/was Vic stock piling the vaccine?
It's time to do what that "guy" in the USA wanted done. Build a wall around Victoria. But lets not tell the Vic's it's to keep them in, but to stop the mice from invading their state. They will fall for that eh.
Another alternative could be considering that, most of the border is a river, excavate a channel to the sea on the eastern side and for SA to donate them the bit of land that the river flows through in their state and remove all the bridges. Alan Joyce would just have to abide by a no fly zone in the South Eastern corner of what once was Australia.
Now before I get hammered by Vics with tin hats...this is said with tongue in cheek.
Regards
Rob
bgt said
10:33 AM Jun 1, 2021
The constitution may well be clear on responsibilities, (which it isnt),but the first Fed cabinet meeting threw out the rules and others stepped in with responsibilities.
dieseltojo said
11:35 AM Jun 1, 2021
Aussie1 wrote:
bgt wrote:
The biggest single issue in Vic is that those responsible are too arrogant to learn from other state's. No one takes any blame. They then pull the lockdown trigger and blame others and expect others to pay for it. Yes something, it seems, went wrong in SA. But the fact that Vics own parliment house won't use the state's belated q code must tell you something. And why is/was Vic stock piling the vaccine?
It's time to do what that "guy" in the USA wanted done. Build a wall around Victoria. But lets not tell the Vic's it's to keep them in, but to stop the mice from invading their state. They will fall for that eh.
Yep but the wall ought to be made with toilet paper. I mean every one knows it is the best most insurmountable barrier material.
Not one person with more than 500 rolls has ever been known to catch the covid.
Dougwe said
12:25 PM Jun 1, 2021
Hey you guys, I resemble that.
aussiebottlo said
04:41 PM Jun 1, 2021
I don't think that the constitution is clear cut, from my understanding (which is limited) the federal government has powers shared with the states in relation to quarantine
You figure it out. Certainly not clear cut. Anyway the argument is irrelevant. They will do things as is best for their political ambitions.
-- Edited by msg on Tuesday 1st of June 2021 10:34:26 PM
Trevor 57 said
05:53 AM Jun 2, 2021
msg wrote:
Feds have the responsibility at the external boarders for quarantine through Border Force, Immigration and biodiversity. Once they are inside the states its the state's responsibility.
not correct - because Broder Force works across States
Trevor 57 said
05:55 AM Jun 2, 2021
bgt wrote:
The constitution may well be clear on responsibilities, (which it isnt),but the first Fed cabinet meeting threw out the rules and others stepped in with responsibilities.
the States only stepped up as it was beyond the Feds to cope with it
msg said
08:44 AM Jun 2, 2021
Trevor 57 wrote:
msg wrote:
Feds have the responsibility at the external boarders for quarantine through Border Force, Immigration and biodiversity. Once they are inside the states its the state's responsibility.
not correct - because Broder Force works across States
Border Force only works on exterior borders. It has bases in each state i.e. at airports to check what is coming in and to a lesser extent what is going out. It has ships that patrol the oceans. It is a federal department. Speaking from 20yrs experience.
-- Edited by msg on Wednesday 2nd of June 2021 08:47:33 AM
bgt said
11:48 AM Jun 2, 2021
Without trying to insult anyone here the fact is that only the high court can give a ruling on who has what responsibility. Our mate Palmer was challenging the internal border closures. Many constitutional lawyers have varying opinions on what the constitution is or implies. Even Palmer gave up. It's a mine field of interpretations and precedence. Is quarantine even a health issues?
In addition none of us here are privy to what each of the states did or didn't agree to. So I doubt any of us here can do anything other than guess at what the real facts are. We are all making calls based on what we read in the media of our choice.
HandyWalter said
11:28 PM Jun 9, 2021
I think this report gives a historic breakdown of who is/was responsible and the shortcomings of the Federal Govt being able to run the program. If I recall it correctly, Mr Andrews proudly announced after the 1st National Cabinet meeting that it was his idea to have the states run quarantine. His reasoning was the States run the their own Health systems, (Federal Govt just hands out the money) so it was logical for states to run the program and those who were requiring Hospitalisation could be easily transferred because the State Govt was running both quarantine (ie hotels) and the hospitals.
-- Edited by HandyWalter on Wednesday 9th of June 2021 11:28:57 PM
bgt said
08:41 AM Jun 10, 2021
Remember My Andrews declared they had the Gold Standard system!!! Everyone was copying their system. Err hello!
Santa said
10:28 AM Jun 10, 2021
Poor old Melbourne, certainly doing it hard of late, no longer worlds most livable city, has now dropped to 8th on the list, and to rub salt into the wound Adelaide is now 3rd, time changes everything.
I never could understand the claim, the place is a nightmare to navigate and the climate! less said the better.
Poor old Melbourne, certainly doing it hard of late, no longer worlds most livable city, has now dropped to 8th on the list, and to rub salt into the wound Adelaide is now 3rd, time changes everything.
I never could understand the claim, the place is a nightmare to navigate and the climate! less said the better.
I live in Sydney. I know where Adelaide and Melbourne are, but never been to erth, Cant' even find it on a map ?
KJB said
11:27 AM Jun 10, 2021
gdayjr wrote:
Santa wrote:
Poor old Melbourne, certainly doing it hard of late, no longer worlds most livable city, has now dropped to 8th on the list, and to rub salt into the wound Adelaide is now 3rd, time changes everything.
I never could understand the claim, the place is a nightmare to navigate and the climate! less said the better.
I live in Sydney. I know where Adelaide and Melbourne are, but never been to erth, Cant' even find it on a map ?
I could never understand why anyone would want to live in a city......on any Public Hoilday the roads are always choked with people/cars wanting to get out of the city for some relief......
gdayjr said
12:38 PM Jun 10, 2021
KJB wrote:
gdayjr wrote:
Santa wrote:
Poor old Melbourne, certainly doing it hard of late, no longer worlds most livable city, has now dropped to 8th on the list, and to rub salt into the wound Adelaide is now 3rd, time changes everything.
I never could understand the claim, the place is a nightmare to navigate and the climate! less said the better.
I live in Sydney. I know where Adelaide and Melbourne are, but never been to erth, Cant' even find it on a map ?
I could never understand why anyone would want to live in a city......on any Public Hoilday the roads are always choked with people/cars wanting to get out of the city for some relief......
Just twelve months to go, and i am out of here, i retire around June, and then my life will be spent in the new caravan i have just ordered.
Big city, little city, country town, a spot by the beach?, all are ok with me.
TheHeaths said
12:54 PM Jun 10, 2021
gdayjr wrote:
Santa wrote:
Poor old Melbourne, certainly doing it hard of late, no longer worlds most livable city, has now dropped to 8th on the list, and to rub salt into the wound Adelaide is now 3rd, time changes everything.
I never could understand the claim, the place is a nightmare to navigate and the climate! less said the better.
I live in Sydney. I know where Adelaide and Melbourne are, but never been to erth, Cant' even find it on a map ?
We all live on erth!
Wizardofoz said
03:22 PM Jun 10, 2021
Yes and until we find a better planet, we are on the best place in the universe!
peter67 said
04:25 PM Jun 10, 2021
The only different habitable planet I know of is called ACT.
Dougwe said
04:38 PM Jun 10, 2021
Wizardofoz wrote:
Yes and until we find a better planet, we are on the best place in the universe!
I'm not sure about that Wizard. I don't think the Aliens out there would agree.
OH! They are out there, I have seen some and spoken to them. They didn't like what they have seen so far. Too many Xsperts.
keep Safe on the roads and out there.
Wizardofoz said
08:56 AM Jun 11, 2021
Like I said Chief, until we find a BETTER place to live, we are on the best...maybe there is better but we haven't found it yet!!!
-- Edited by Wizardofoz on Friday 11th of June 2021 08:57:00 AM
Magnarc said
01:23 PM Jun 12, 2021
Santa my main man, if you think Melbourne is a nightmare to navigate how long is it since you drove in Sydney or maybe you have never driven there???????
Back home, the daily grind of driving down community transmission in Victoria has authorities worried because testing rates have been low.
Only one fresh local case was recorded in the state on Saturday, and none on Friday, but testing commander Jeroen Weimar indicated this was of little comfort.
"Our concern at the moment is there may well be more out there," he told reporters.
He encouraged Victorians to call each other out about virus symptoms to boost testing numbers.
I don't know how to feel about this. I am disturbed though. Is this a case of dobbing? Thats un-Australian, it makes me sad to think that this is happening. We should be getting tested and in times gone past we would have. Oh how our communities have changed. Hitler started this way by getting the youngsters to tell on their parents also likewise Mao. but..... Do people need to get dobbed in for not getting tested if they sneeze?
Plain Truth said
06:24 PM Jun 12, 2021
A lot of people will think it is the Reich thing to do
Back home, the daily grind of driving down community transmission in Victoria has authorities worried because testing rates have been low.
Only one fresh local case was recorded in the state on Saturday, and none on Friday, but testing commander Jeroen Weimar indicated this was of little comfort.
"Our concern at the moment is there may well be more out there," he told reporters.
He encouraged Victorians to call each other out about virus symptoms to boost testing numbers.
I don't know how to feel about this. I am disturbed though. Is this a case of dobbing? Thats un-Australian, it makes me sad to think that this is happening. We should be getting tested and in times gone past we would have. Oh how our communities have changed. Hitler started this way by getting the youngsters to tell on their parents also likewise Mao. but..... Do people need to get dobbed in for not getting tested if they sneeze?
My issue there is if you have been tested and found to be clear, and if you have no symptoms then why go and get tested again? If all he wants is high numbers to confirm no further outbreaks, I am happy to be tested every day if he will pay me $100 each time to do so. Either Covid is out there or it is not. In any case that idiot has no medical quals so why should we even listen to the dribble that comes out of his mouth. He has said so may things that have proven to be inaccurate that he is like the little boy who called wolf. Time the lot were replaced with people who have the medical knowledge, and also a government that yes listens to their recommendations, but also looks at the economic damage that these recommendations may incur and then make the decisions AND OWN THEM. So far the Govt keeps hiding behind "DHS/medical advice" but refuses to release the data. To me its all BS and they need to get Victorians on side. I am sick of being told what I can and cannot do without sound information being made available. I just wish I lived in NSW. Vic is a *****hole.
-- Edited by HandyWalter on Sunday 13th of June 2021 08:28:23 AM
Magnarc said
08:29 AM Jun 13, 2021
Stop whingeing Walter and call the removalist.
bgt said
09:52 AM Jun 13, 2021
If they aren't getting positive tests in Vic is that because less folks are getting tested or that there is little covid out there?
It's time to do what that "guy" in the USA wanted done. Build a wall around Victoria. But lets not tell the Vic's it's to keep them in, but to stop the mice from invading their state. They will fall for that eh.
Another alternative could be considering that, most of the border is a river, excavate a channel to the sea on the eastern side and for SA to donate them the bit of land that the river flows through in their state and remove all the bridges. Alan Joyce would just have to abide by a no fly zone in the South Eastern corner of what once was Australia.
Now before I get hammered by Vics with tin hats...this is said with tongue in cheek.
Regards
Rob
Yep but the wall ought to be made with toilet paper. I mean every one knows it is the best most insurmountable barrier material.
Not one person with more than 500 rolls has ever been known to catch the covid.
I don't think that the constitution is clear cut, from my understanding (which is limited) the federal government has powers shared with the states in relation to quarantine
www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/bd/bd0102/02bd114
You figure it out. Certainly not clear cut. Anyway the argument is irrelevant. They will do things as is best for their political ambitions.
-- Edited by msg on Tuesday 1st of June 2021 10:34:26 PM
not correct - because Broder Force works across States
the States only stepped up as it was beyond the Feds to cope with it
Border Force only works on exterior borders. It has bases in each state i.e. at airports to check what is coming in and to a lesser extent what is going out. It has ships that patrol the oceans. It is a federal department. Speaking from 20yrs experience.
-- Edited by msg on Wednesday 2nd of June 2021 08:47:33 AM
In addition none of us here are privy to what each of the states did or didn't agree to. So I doubt any of us here can do anything other than guess at what the real facts are. We are all making calls based on what we read in the media of our choice.
I think this report gives a historic breakdown of who is/was responsible and the shortcomings of the Federal Govt being able to run the program. If I recall it correctly, Mr Andrews proudly announced after the 1st National Cabinet meeting that it was his idea to have the states run quarantine. His reasoning was the States run the their own Health systems, (Federal Govt just hands out the money) so it was logical for states to run the program and those who were requiring Hospitalisation could be easily transferred because the State Govt was running both quarantine (ie hotels) and the hospitals.
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-19/who-is-responsible-for-quarantine-in-australia/13070108
-- Edited by HandyWalter on Wednesday 9th of June 2021 11:28:57 PM
Poor old Melbourne, certainly doing it hard of late, no longer worlds most livable city, has now dropped to 8th on the list, and to rub salt into the wound Adelaide is now 3rd, time changes everything.
I never could understand the claim, the place is a nightmare to navigate and the climate! less said the better.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-drops-to-8th-on-world-liveability-index-20210609-p57zcs.html
The 10 most liveable cities
I live in Sydney. I know where Adelaide and Melbourne are, but never been to erth, Cant' even find it on a map ?
I could never understand why anyone would want to live in a city......on any Public Hoilday the roads are always choked with people/cars wanting to get out of the city for some relief......
Just twelve months to go, and i am out of here, i retire around June, and then my life will be spent in the new caravan i have just ordered.
Big city, little city, country town, a spot by the beach?, all are ok with me.
We all live on erth!
I'm not sure about that Wizard. I don't think the Aliens out there would agree.
OH! They are out there, I have seen some and spoken to them. They didn't like what they have seen so far. Too many Xsperts.
keep Safe on the roads and out there.
Like I said Chief, until we find a BETTER place to live, we are on the best...maybe there is better but we haven't found it yet!!!
-- Edited by Wizardofoz on Friday 11th of June 2021 08:57:00 AM
Santa my main man, if you think Melbourne is a nightmare to navigate how long is it since you drove in Sydney or maybe you have never driven there???????
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/one-vic-case-pm-in-global-vaccine-talks/ar-AAKXcht?ocid=msedgntp
Back home, the daily grind of driving down community transmission in Victoria has authorities worried because testing rates have been low.
Only one fresh local case was recorded in the state on Saturday, and none on Friday, but testing commander Jeroen Weimar indicated this was of little comfort.
"Our concern at the moment is there may well be more out there," he told reporters.
He encouraged Victorians to call each other out about virus symptoms to boost testing numbers.
I don't know how to feel about this. I am disturbed though. Is this a case of dobbing? Thats un-Australian, it makes me sad to think that this is happening. We should be getting tested and in times gone past we would have. Oh how our communities have changed. Hitler started this way by getting the youngsters to tell on their parents also likewise Mao. but..... Do people need to get dobbed in for not getting tested if they sneeze?
A lot of people will think it is the Reich thing to do
My issue there is if you have been tested and found to be clear, and if you have no symptoms then why go and get tested again? If all he wants is high numbers to confirm no further outbreaks, I am happy to be tested every day if he will pay me $100 each time to do so. Either Covid is out there or it is not. In any case that idiot has no medical quals so why should we even listen to the dribble that comes out of his mouth. He has said so may things that have proven to be inaccurate that he is like the little boy who called wolf. Time the lot were replaced with people who have the medical knowledge, and also a government that yes listens to their recommendations, but also looks at the economic damage that these recommendations may incur and then make the decisions AND OWN THEM. So far the Govt keeps hiding behind "DHS/medical advice" but refuses to release the data. To me its all BS and they need to get Victorians on side. I am sick of being told what I can and cannot do without sound information being made available. I just wish I lived in NSW. Vic is a *****hole.
-- Edited by HandyWalter on Sunday 13th of June 2021 08:28:23 AM
Stop whingeing Walter and call the removalist.
So spin the answer anyway that suits your agenda.