How much convincing to get the Covid vaccine do you need?
bgt said
10:05 AM Jun 4, 2021
The big problem is that many folks don't put things into perspective. Many females, or should that be 'theys' , get blood clots from the pill. Yet there's no outrage over that.
dieseltojo said
05:32 PM Jun 4, 2021
How simple to just go on google and check stuff up. I mean if it doesn't sound right just cross check it with Yahoo....easy as....
Why would a member want to argue with another on matters of health??? If you have a concern just wait for the jab that doesn't give any clots.
No one can make another have a jab, But I eagerly await the day when an airline will be able to refuse a person to fly if they have not been vaccinated. Just my opinion of course.
People who refuse to be vaccinated are selfish. Everyone needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity to work. Otherwise we won't beat this pandemic.
Santa said
06:19 PM Jun 4, 2021
Plain Truth wrote:
they were talking about that last year
Lets hope it comes to pass, another brick in the wall, hardly an onerous requirement.
Santa said
06:30 PM Jun 4, 2021
Then we have mental giants like this woman, even though she was arrested, refused bail, done for driving disqualified and up for 4 new tyres, I doubt she will learn a lesson.
Guess she has free accommodation until she fronts court.
Then we have mental giants like this woman, even though she was arrested, refused bail, done for driving disqualified and up for 4 new tyres, I doubt she will learn a lesson.
Guess she has free accommodation until she fronts court.
She is right though...she has a condition! A self interested, clueless condition.
oldbloke said
06:29 AM Jun 5, 2021
Santa wrote:
Then we have mental giants like this woman, even though she was arrested, refused bail, done for driving disqualified and up for 4 new tyres, I doubt she will learn a lesson.
Guess she has free accommodation until she fronts court.
Lets hope it comes to pass, another brick in the wall, hardly an onerous requirement.
People have short memories.
This is not new; back in the 1970/80s when I use to travel extensively many countries had a requirement visitors *must* have cholera, smallpox, yellow fever and other vaccinations. I had a yellow covered passport sized "immunisation book" which lived with my passport and was inspected for the appropriate vaccine stamps at various borders, especially in Africa and the Middle/Far East. I expect many country still have various immunisation requirements.
dorian said
08:22 AM Jun 5, 2021
Mike Harding wrote:
People have short memories.
This is not new; back in the 1970/80s when I use to travel extensively many countries had a requirement visitors *must* have cholera, smallpox, yellow fever and other vaccinations. I had a yellow covered passport sized "immunisation book" which lived with my passport and was inspected for the appropriate vaccine stamps at various borders, especially in Africa and the Middle/Far East. I expect many country still have various immunisation requirements.
We didn't have antivaxxers back then, or at least we didn't hear about them. In any case I wonder how rigidly these provisions were enforced.
For example, during the late 1980s I did contract work for a customer whose office staff were treated to a holiday in Indonesia. Two came down with typhoid, one of whom died (the tealady). I then had to have a typhoid shot.
bgt said
10:10 AM Jun 5, 2021
I have scares on my arms from 'mandatory' vaccinations from way back in the 1960's. We just lined up at the local sheep dip and took it like lambs.
Santa said
10:55 AM Jun 5, 2021
bgt wrote:
I have scares on my arms from 'mandatory' vaccinations from way back in the 1960's. We just lined up at the local sheep dip and took it like lambs.
Guess you mean scars, I lived through the same period and was never compelled to receive a vaccine that left a scar, did you receive the vaccine in Australia, was it required prior to travel overseas?
As far as I know the only vaccines that were given that left a scar were smallpox and tuberculosis, neither condition any sensible person would want to contract, the vaccines certainly did their job, smallpox was eradicated worldwide around 1979, and nowadays TB is relatively uncommon in Australia.
Yep meant scars. I lived in Portland Vic. In the mid to late fifties the harbour was greatly expanded. More shipping and more risk. So everyone got the smallpox jab. The day after the jab 90% of the kids at my school were home sick. I think they use a garden rake to scratch the skin. Well maybe not a big garden rake!! But either way it never affected me. Just the scar to show for it.
2_Paws_Up said
12:34 PM Jun 5, 2021
I had COVID late 2019- early 2020 (I was in the US when it broke there, but didn't know that's what I had til months later, when my GP did the antibody test. I was still sick - fatigue beyond belief, taste was gone. Still can't taste chocolate, and coffee is hit and miss). I don't recommend it.
I went to the doctor while I was there - I was told it was a bad virus, to go home, rest and drink lots of fluid. People were isolating with the 'flu (totally different symptoms), but I had come through LAX in December and that place was like sardines. I got home mid-late January, exhausted but no longer thinking I was dying (I contemplated hospital, I was so sick).
I was insanely fit and healthy - I walked off a cattle station muster onto a plane. I was working 18 hours in 40+ degrees, doing manual labour. So I was fit. I was so sick I belly-crawled the 10m to the toilet, resting multiple times on the way. I had to sleep on a mattress on the floor, because I couldn't get back into bed, and no way was I getting lifted. Getting back into bed was a battle, and took multiple rests to achieve. I 'slept' sitting up so I could do something that resembled breathing. I had a full health check the week I left Oz, all clear. I do not suffer from respiratory issues as a rule. I just got 'lucky' and met COVID.
I got the AstraZeneca the day it arrived here. I work with a vulnerable cohort, I need to protect them and myself. I had a mild fever that night. Very mild. An hour, 2paracetamol and I was golden. The pneumonia vax I got this week laid me out for 3 days - I couldn't move my arm, felt like my ribs on that side were bruised so breathing was agony. Exhausted. I was fine with the flu jab.
I said to my team "I did it. That was my choice. You choose for yourself." I stand by that.
In future please warn us whenever your links send us to Sky "News".
Mike Harding said
12:58 PM Jun 5, 2021
2_Paws_Up wrote:
I had COVID late 2019- early 2020 (I was in the US when it broke there, but didn't know that's what I had til months later, when my GP did the antibody test. I was still sick - fatigue beyond belief, taste was gone. Still can't taste chocolate, and coffee is hit and miss). I don't recommend it.
I went to the doctor while I was there - I was told it was a bad virus, to go home, rest and drink lots of fluid. People were isolating with the 'flu (totally different symptoms), but I had come through LAX in December and that place was like sardines. I got home mid-late January, exhausted but no longer thinking I was dying (I contemplated hospital, I was so sick).
I was insanely fit and healthy - I walked off a cattle station muster onto a plane. I was working 18 hours in 40+ degrees, doing manual labour. So I was fit. I was so sick I belly-crawled the 10m to the toilet, resting multiple times on the way. I had to sleep on a mattress on the floor, because I couldn't get back into bed, and no way was I getting lifted. Getting back into bed was a battle, and took multiple rests to achieve. I 'slept' sitting up so I could do something that resembled breathing. I had a full health check the week I left Oz, all clear. I do not suffer from respiratory issues as a rule. I just got 'lucky' and met COVID.
I got the AstraZeneca the day it arrived here. I work with a vulnerable cohort, I need to protect them and myself. I had a mild fever that night. Very mild. An hour, 2paracetamol and I was golden. The pneumonia vax I got this week laid me out for 3 days - I couldn't move my arm, felt like my ribs on that side were bruised so breathing was agony. Exhausted. I was fine with the flu jab.
I said to my team "I did it. That was my choice. You choose for yourself." I stand by that.
I don't often quote whole posts but this post is well worth repeating - thanks for your input 2Paws.
Mike Harding said
01:06 PM Jun 5, 2021
dorian wrote:We didn't have antivaxxers back then, or at least we didn't hear about them. In any case I wonder how rigidly these provisions were enforced.
It depends what you mean by "antivaxxers"? My wife, I and my wife's midwife discussed and agreed that out son should not be given the whooping cough component of a "given to every baby" multi vaccine in the UK. My wife's brother had a medical history which indicated our children *may* be at high risk of brain damage from this vaccine (many children were damaged).
All medication may have serious side effects in individuals and this needs to be considered, with medical advice, on a person by person basis.
In the case of the Covid vaccines it seems the risk is very low but, if unsure, talk to your GP.
Edit:
Dorian: the inoculation requirement was rigorously enforced in the many countries I visited.
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Saturday 5th of June 2021 01:08:09 PM
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Saturday 5th of June 2021 01:08:43 PM
Anyone concerned about the decision should, of course, discuss health history with their GP. Other than that, in vulnerable populations, (that includes me as an age factor) the death rate is something like 2 in a 100. In some demographics, the complication rate is something like 1 in lots and lots and lots. I've had my first shot and will relax a little more after I get the second. Life itself is a risk, very little information was needed to convince me of the benefits of getting vaccinated as soon as I was eligible.
dorian said
06:05 AM Jun 6, 2021
Mike Harding wrote:
dorian wrote:
In future please warn us whenever your links send us to Sky "News".
Go on Dorian, take a risk, read something you may disagree with!
I gave Sky a try when they started transmitting in my area.
The only commentator I can stand is Andrew Bolt. I notice that he picks his words meticulously, and he speaks very slowly, probably because the majority of his audience is cognitively impaired. Or it could be that an adverse court case has taken the sting out of his commentary, which would be very sad.
As for the others, Credlin is Abbott's clone, and Alan Jones is an obnoxious prat. In fact even the guest panellists from the left are often obnoxious (eg Graham Richardson).
For me, the only mitigating aspect of Sky News is that it is nowhere near as bad as Fox.
Izabarack said
08:26 AM Jun 6, 2021
dorian wrote:
I gave Sky a try when they started transmitting in my area.
Me too. First five stories I watched were so biased and factually incorrect and full of opinion, rather than facts, that I have not been back. Sky and Fox are not even worht the entertainment value for those who can think for themselves. I once wrote a Social Psychology paper around the behaviour of those like Bolt and Jones. They seem to only say things likely to stir up disagreement and angst among the people smart enough to see what their tactics are.
Colin Penrose said
09:12 AM Jun 6, 2021
Vaccine or Covid ??? Got the jab already. It is a no brainer and if anybody wants to argue go to India !!!
bgt said
11:34 AM Jun 6, 2021
We all choose to watch what suits our own beliefs. Sky maybe biased. So may ABC.
Aussie1 said
11:45 AM Jun 6, 2021
Colin Penrose wrote:
Vaccine or Covid ??? Got the jab already. It is a no brainer and if anybody wants to argue go to India !!!
Us to Colin. And ALL sensible folks agree with you (and us).
Mike Harding said
01:53 PM Jun 6, 2021
Izabarack wrote:I once wrote a Social Psychology paper around the behaviour of those like Bolt and Jones. They seem to only say things likely to stir up disagreement and angst among the people smart enough to see what their tactics are.
So they cause intelligent people to think and reconsider their values... and you suggest that's a bad thing...?
Dick0 said
02:56 PM Jun 6, 2021
Convince me there is possibly no risk of being Covid vaccinated.
Long Weekend said
03:14 PM Jun 6, 2021
When I joined the defence force in 1954 all recruits on my course were lined up and given mandatory vaccinations. (As an aside for that period in time disposable syringes had not been invented, instead the removable needle was stuck in our arms and as we moved along the line the syringe with each type of vaccine in it was plugged into the needle and the dose squirted in.) We all survived, although some had very sore arms for a few days.
The point being that joining the defence force automatically meant having vaccinations with no exemptions. I presume that still applies to this day.
Then when I served overseas additional vaccinations were given and I was issued with a yellow innoculations booklet that had to be produced on entry to the overseas country - and the vaccinations were regularly topped up during my stay in the country.
So I have no problems with getting the Covid-19 vaccinations - which, has been booked for tomorrow 7 June! Looking forward to it.
Murray
DMaxer said
04:13 PM Jun 6, 2021
I don't know if comparing getting this vaccine to getting vaccines in our youth is relevant. I know that when I received vaccines as a child the vaccines had been developed, tested and therefore accepted by the general population. I recall that when Covid first appeared early last year that the medical "experts" were all banging on about a vaccine taking twelve months to develop at the earliest and then years of testing to follow. All of a sudden these vaccines are developed and everyone is expected to fall in line and accept their fate.
I am not an anti vaccine person and have had all types of vaccines over the years, especially through the seventies when I lived in various places around the globe. Sometimes when I hear all the chorus about getting the vaccine I wonder if the speaker is rallying the troops or trying to convince themselves that it is the prudent thing to do. Informing the masses as to how you and the wife might have felt the next day is not the test, it is the possible later side effects.
I neither encourage or discourage people in relation to the vaccine as I do not know the answer. Having said that, I am not in a hurry to get the vaccine. Didn't motor mouth tell us all "it is not a race."
-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 6th of June 2021 04:14:35 PM
How simple to just go on google and check stuff up. I mean if it doesn't sound right just cross check it with Yahoo....easy as....
Why would a member want to argue with another on matters of health??? If you have a concern just wait for the jab that doesn't give any clots.
No one can make another have a jab, But I eagerly await the day when an airline will be able to refuse a person to fly if they have not been vaccinated. Just my opinion of course.
they were talking about that last year
People who refuse to be vaccinated are selfish. Everyone needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity to work. Otherwise we won't beat this pandemic.
Lets hope it comes to pass, another brick in the wall, hardly an onerous requirement.
Then we have mental giants like this woman, even though she was arrested, refused bail, done for driving disqualified and up for 4 new tyres, I doubt she will learn a lesson.
Guess she has free accommodation until she fronts court.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-04/woman-who-drove-through-sa-border-checkpoint-in-anti-mask-video/100189754
She is right though...she has a condition! A self interested, clueless condition.
About as dull as dish water.
People have short memories.
This is not new; back in the 1970/80s when I use to travel extensively many countries had a requirement visitors *must* have cholera, smallpox, yellow fever and other vaccinations. I had a yellow covered passport sized "immunisation book" which lived with my passport and was inspected for the appropriate vaccine stamps at various borders, especially in Africa and the Middle/Far East. I expect many country still have various immunisation requirements.
We didn't have antivaxxers back then, or at least we didn't hear about them. In any case I wonder how rigidly these provisions were enforced.
For example, during the late 1980s I did contract work for a customer whose office staff were treated to a holiday in Indonesia. Two came down with typhoid, one of whom died (the tealady). I then had to have a typhoid shot.
Guess you mean scars, I lived through the same period and was never compelled to receive a vaccine that left a scar, did you receive the vaccine in Australia, was it required prior to travel overseas?
As far as I know the only vaccines that were given that left a scar were smallpox and tuberculosis, neither condition any sensible person would want to contract, the vaccines certainly did their job, smallpox was eradicated worldwide around 1979, and nowadays TB is relatively uncommon in Australia.
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I went to the doctor while I was there - I was told it was a bad virus, to go home, rest and drink lots of fluid. People were isolating with the 'flu (totally different symptoms), but I had come through LAX in December and that place was like sardines. I got home mid-late January, exhausted but no longer thinking I was dying (I contemplated hospital, I was so sick).
I was insanely fit and healthy - I walked off a cattle station muster onto a plane. I was working 18 hours in 40+ degrees, doing manual labour. So I was fit. I was so sick I belly-crawled the 10m to the toilet, resting multiple times on the way. I had to sleep on a mattress on the floor, because I couldn't get back into bed, and no way was I getting lifted. Getting back into bed was a battle, and took multiple rests to achieve. I 'slept' sitting up so I could do something that resembled breathing. I had a full health check the week I left Oz, all clear. I do not suffer from respiratory issues as a rule. I just got 'lucky' and met COVID.
I got the AstraZeneca the day it arrived here. I work with a vulnerable cohort, I need to protect them and myself. I had a mild fever that night. Very mild. An hour, 2paracetamol and I was golden. The pneumonia vax I got this week laid me out for 3 days - I couldn't move my arm, felt like my ribs on that side were bruised so breathing was agony. Exhausted. I was fine with the flu jab.
I said to my team "I did it. That was my choice. You choose for yourself." I stand by that.
In future please warn us whenever your links send us to Sky "News".
I don't often quote whole posts but this post is well worth repeating - thanks for your input 2Paws.
It depends what you mean by "antivaxxers"? My wife, I and my wife's midwife discussed and agreed that out son should not be given the whooping cough component of a "given to every baby" multi vaccine in the UK. My wife's brother had a medical history which indicated our children *may* be at high risk of brain damage from this vaccine (many children were damaged).
All medication may have serious side effects in individuals and this needs to be considered, with medical advice, on a person by person basis.
In the case of the Covid vaccines it seems the risk is very low but, if unsure, talk to your GP.
Edit:
Dorian: the inoculation requirement was rigorously enforced in the many countries I visited.
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Saturday 5th of June 2021 01:08:09 PM
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Saturday 5th of June 2021 01:08:43 PM
Why didn't I think of that , Sky News , Anti - Vaxxer.
Go on Dorian, take a risk, read something you may disagree with!
Trigger warning
Anyone concerned about the decision should, of course, discuss health history with their GP. Other than that, in vulnerable populations, (that includes me as an age factor) the death rate is something like 2 in a 100. In some demographics, the complication rate is something like 1 in lots and lots and lots. I've had my first shot and will relax a little more after I get the second. Life itself is a risk, very little information was needed to convince me of the benefits of getting vaccinated as soon as I was eligible.
I gave Sky a try when they started transmitting in my area.
The only commentator I can stand is Andrew Bolt. I notice that he picks his words meticulously, and he speaks very slowly, probably because the majority of his audience is cognitively impaired. Or it could be that an adverse court case has taken the sting out of his commentary, which would be very sad.
As for the others, Credlin is Abbott's clone, and Alan Jones is an obnoxious prat. In fact even the guest panellists from the left are often obnoxious (eg Graham Richardson).
For me, the only mitigating aspect of Sky News is that it is nowhere near as bad as Fox.
Me too. First five stories I watched were so biased and factually incorrect and full of opinion, rather than facts, that I have not been back. Sky and Fox are not even worht the entertainment value for those who can think for themselves. I once wrote a Social Psychology paper around the behaviour of those like Bolt and Jones. They seem to only say things likely to stir up disagreement and angst among the people smart enough to see what their tactics are.
Us to Colin. And ALL sensible folks agree with you (and us).
So they cause intelligent people to think and reconsider their values... and you suggest that's a bad thing...?
Convince me there is possibly no risk of being Covid vaccinated.
The point being that joining the defence force automatically meant having vaccinations with no exemptions. I presume that still applies to this day.
Then when I served overseas additional vaccinations were given and I was issued with a yellow innoculations booklet that had to be produced on entry to the overseas country - and the vaccinations were regularly topped up during my stay in the country.
So I have no problems with getting the Covid-19 vaccinations - which, has been booked for tomorrow 7 June! Looking forward to it.
Murray
I don't know if comparing getting this vaccine to getting vaccines in our youth is relevant. I know that when I received vaccines as a child the vaccines had been developed, tested and therefore accepted by the general population. I recall that when Covid first appeared early last year that the medical "experts" were all banging on about a vaccine taking twelve months to develop at the earliest and then years of testing to follow. All of a sudden these vaccines are developed and everyone is expected to fall in line and accept their fate.
I am not an anti vaccine person and have had all types of vaccines over the years, especially through the seventies when I lived in various places around the globe. Sometimes when I hear all the chorus about getting the vaccine I wonder if the speaker is rallying the troops or trying to convince themselves that it is the prudent thing to do. Informing the masses as to how you and the wife might have felt the next day is not the test, it is the possible later side effects.
I neither encourage or discourage people in relation to the vaccine as I do not know the answer. Having said that, I am not in a hurry to get the vaccine. Didn't motor mouth tell us all "it is not a race."
-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 6th of June 2021 04:14:35 PM