One of things I can't get my head around is the crowd at any Apple store. Obviously I'm missing something.
Tony Bev said
06:28 PM Jun 26, 2021
Usual disclaimer, I am not associated with anyone, selling anything
Just throwing this out there, for anyone who wishes to increase their hard drive size
If you purchase a WD (Western Digital) hard drive
You can download a free hard drive cloning software, through the WD website
It allows you to clone your original hard drive (whatever make it is), to your new WD hard drive, free of charge
The only stipulation is, the new WD hard drive must be equal size, or larger than the original hard drive
I can confirm, that changing a normal HDD to a SSD hard drive, makes startups go faster
I have no idea if other manufactures, allow the same free software
I use both Linux and Microsoft computers, Linux will read Microsoft, but Microsoft will not read Linux
I will keep an open mind about Windows 11
bgt said
07:02 PM Jun 26, 2021
Jeffrae I meant Office. Brain failure. Yes it is an expensive school. They do sell the hardware and software to students at a discounted price. But the school is very much into making a profit. ie school bag from the school is about $60. Kmart the same bag, less the printing, is about $25.
Are We Lost said
07:12 PM Jun 26, 2021
Just picking up on Tony Bev's comment on the superior performance of SSD over traditional hard disk, I would rephrase that comment to ....
"I can confirm, that changing a normal HDD to a SSD hard drive, makes startups go MUCH MUCH faster".
As for cloning software, Windows has built in facilities to do this. No need to get Western Digital, or any specific brand, and definitely no need to pay for software.
It's not difficult or requiring of technical expertise, but if after watching the video you did not understand it, then I recommend you get assistance from someone who does.
I sometimes help out friends whose PCs have slowed to a crawl. In most cases, I find the cause is a proliferation of unnecessay software that runs at startup, and then remains running in the background, consuming precious resources. Just yesterday I looked at a laptop that was taking at least 10-15 minutes to boot up. It had lots of disk space, and enough memory, but had 3 virus protectors. Just removing one made it workable again ..... need to get back to attack more.
So, rather than cloning your hard disk, a fresh Windows installation and reinstall software may be a better solution if you can backup and restore your files.
JeffRae said
07:51 PM Jun 26, 2021
A good free tool for cloning your hard drive to protect from crashes or corruption
It's like any backup software, you must remember to create a new image every now and then
I've used Linux for decades. I've never paid for any software because most of the Linux stuff is free and /or open source. Ubuntu, which is the Linux distribution that I use, uses one tenth of the disk space as Windoze. Similarly, the installed software is usually much smaller than those written for Micro$oft operating system.
One day, I had to reload the whole operating systems onto a dual boot computer that we had. It took, at the most, one hour to load Ubuntu and three days to load Windoze and other software. Seems a no brainer to me.
I'm trying to understand why people are so enamored with Linux, I researched it some time ago and found running many of the Windows programs I regularly used was going to be a major drama.
Just did a search and found nothing much has changed, everything seems like a massive compromise.
Why, when everything I need runs so effortlessly on Windows would I risk the drama of installing an operating system that seems to be designed for nerds, and then have to download even more stuff like Wine to enable me to do what Windows does so well, simply cant fathom the logic.
Even then I'm faced with an OS that they admit has difficulties, I'll stick with Windows.
Disadvantages Of Linux
No standard edition.
Hard Learning Curve.
Limited market share.
Lack of proprietary software.
Difficult to troubleshoot.
Poor support for games.
Unsupported Hardware.
Lack of technical support.
It doesn't always run the latest versions of Windows products.
Some games and applications run sluggishly.
Lacks helper scripts.
Doesn't have the latest patches and improvements.
Even though open-source software includes free tools, including email clients, office applications, and media players, you might need a software app that works only on Windows. In this case, use one of the tools listed here to run Windows apps on your Linux PC.
Gundog said
11:41 AM Jun 27, 2021
Hell will freeze over when I load Win 11, in the past I have tried 8, 8.1 and 10 did not like them at all.
So I went back to Win 7, after a clean install, I disabled windows update, then I loaded the software and programes that I want, partitioned the hard drive into 2 partitions 1 for the operating system and the 2nd is for Data, using Mini Tool Partition wizard . Then I cloned that HDD to a Hybrid (SSHD) using Macrim Reflect, replaced the origional HDD with the Hybrid, that gives me a clean Installation copy that I can refresh the hybrid from time to time.
The advantage of have a clean copy that you can refresh your OS from time to time, is you loose not data and the registry cleaned up geting rid of the registry bloating that slows your system.
littledick said
12:45 PM Jun 27, 2021
landy wrote:
I'm still running windows 7 which has been very good for me.
And me, works for what I want.
Dick.
Santa said
01:03 PM Jun 27, 2021
Widows always has required a bit of user input maintenance wise, if your a set and forget type person sooner or later you will have problems.
I've used most of the Microsoft offerings over the years, some better than others but I've found most to be fine.
As I said I find Windows 10 to be very satisfactory, like any new operating system it takes a little getting used to, once sorted out it's pretty much second nature.
bgt said
03:12 PM Jun 27, 2021
Isn't one of the big arguments against Win 10 is the huge downloads for updates? I don't use Win 10 and only have a limited data agreement. So if the huge download/updates is an issue it certainly doesn't help those of us still rusted on to older systems.
Are the downloads for updates as big as I've been led to believe?
Santa said
05:18 PM Jun 27, 2021
bgt wrote:
Isn't one of the big arguments against Win 10 is the huge downloads for updates? I don't use Win 10 and only have a limited data agreement. So if the huge download/updates is an issue it certainly doesn't help those of us still rusted on to older systems.
Are the downloads for updates as big as I've been led to believe?
They certainly are pretty substantial, however can be managed.
If you have a PC you use infrequently, chances are when you boot it up there will be a raft of updates, which can take forever, particularly if your in a hurry to use the machine.
Updates can be managed to a degree if you go into settings/advanced options/pause updates for up to 35 days.
Not ideal though you can work with it.
I would expect something better in W11, maybe I'm dreamin.
I'm in the position of having to update at the moment, I normally let it run when I go to bed, by the AM good to go, however will run it now and report back as to how long it takes.
bgt said
05:29 PM Jun 27, 2021
Thanks. I would be interested in the time it takes and what the data download is.
Santa said
06:00 PM Jun 27, 2021
OK done and dusted, download just under 14GB, total time including restart 9 minutes.
Bearing in mind this is an old laptop with a Core i5 processor and my current internet connection is via a dongle so pretty slow.
Are We Lost said
06:10 PM Jun 27, 2021
Santa said "... Updates can be managed to a degree if you go into settings/advanced options/pause updates for up to 35 days."
Actually, you can permanently put them on hold by going into the Group Policy Editor (not available for Home edition). This is what businesses with IT support typically do, so they are in control of the update process.
I consider updates are a necessary evil, because the number of threats in the environment is ever growing. But sometimes the updates cause things to fail, remove features or add more Microsoft telemetery and bloat. So I let them queue up for maybe 6 months, then take a backup image of the PC being letting them have their way. With all updates applied at once I can then restore the PC to the original version if there is some unwanted change.
I dislike Microsoft and most other big tech with a passion, mainly because of their business models and hidden impacts on users. I just wish I could find a replacement that worked better for me.
Edit. I saw Santa posted info on the download. Wow. 14GB is huge if you are travelling and on a mobile connection, and if your location is not ideal could take a looong time. But presumably that can run in the background.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Sunday 27th of June 2021 06:14:16 PM
Whenarewethere said
06:11 PM Jun 27, 2021
littledick wrote:
landy wrote:
I'm still running windows 7 which has been very good for me.
And me, works for what I want.
Dick.
I still have a few computers running XP for 3D work. They were never connected to the internet & still work well. One is a dual CPU, they all have 12GB of ram which was a fair bit in it's day.
Santa said
06:33 PM Jun 27, 2021
Are We Lost wrote:
Edit. I saw Santa posted info on the download. Wow. 14GB is huge if you are travelling and on a mobile connection, and if your location is not ideal could take a looong time. But presumably that can run in the background.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Sunday 27th of June 2021 06:14:16 PM
Yep, its a fair slab of data, fortunately we're on an unlimited plan.
As I commented it's an old laptop and the connection is less than speedy, never the less download time was reasonable.
bgt said
06:53 PM Jun 27, 2021
Thanks Santa. At home we have a good fast service. But a 20gig a month contract. So that kills it for me.
Mike Harding said
07:52 AM Jun 28, 2021
Are We Lost wrote:
Actually, you can permanently put them on hold by going into the Group Policy Editor (not available for Home edition)
The GPE can be downloaded from Microsoft and installed into the home edition of W10.
Probably an easier way to, more or less, stop updates is to designate the internet connection as "Metered", this will stop all updates except ones Microsoft considers vital - security flaws I think.
Main menu - Settings - Network and internet - Status - WiFi - Properties - Set as metered connection.
Wanderlust said
09:25 AM Jun 28, 2021
Microsoft is ensuring the mass purchase of new hardware, as very few systems currently in use will not have high enough specs. E.g TPM 2.0, UEFI, Secure boot, 64 bit, etc
Santa said
11:51 AM Jun 28, 2021
Wanderlust wrote:
Microsoft is ensuring the mass purchase of new hardware, as very few systems currently in use will not have high enough specs. E.g TPM 2.0, UEFI, Secure boot, 64 bit, etc
Not really, MS will continue support for W10 until Oct 2025, no one is forcing you to go to W11.
Bear in mind many people are still happily using XP Vista and other early releases, I suspect many will continue to use W10 for years after MS discontinue support.
For those of us who must have the very latest, guess they will have to do whatever is necessary.
Can't see myself moving past 10 anytime in the near future.
Wanderlust said
12:06 PM Jun 28, 2021
So what happens in 4 years time?
Businesses and tech savvy users will not want to be using un-supported operating systems.
Buzz Lightbulb said
01:07 PM Jun 28, 2021
Santa wrote:
I'm trying to understand why people are so enamored with Linux, I researched it some time ago and found running many of the Windows programs I regularly used was going to be a major drama.
Just did a search and found nothing much has changed, everything seems like a massive compromise.
Why, when everything I need runs so effortlessly on Windows would I risk the drama of installing an operating system that seems to be designed for nerds, and then have to download even more stuff like Wine to enable me to do what Windows does so well, simply cant fathom the logic.
Even then I'm faced with an OS that they admit has difficulties, I'll stick with Windows.
Disadvantages Of Linux
No standard edition.
Hard Learning Curve.
Limited market share.
Lack of proprietary software.
Difficult to troubleshoot.
Poor support for games.
Unsupported Hardware.
Lack of technical support.
It doesn't always run the latest versions of Windows products.
Some games and applications run sluggishly.
Lacks helper scripts.
Doesn't have the latest patches and improvements.
Even though open-source software includes free tools, including email clients, office applications, and media players, you might need a software app that works only on Windows. In this case, use one of the tools listed here to run Windows apps on your Linux
Well there are many reasons why people use Linux:
There are many programs that do the equivalent of Windoze software and they are free. Such as, Gimp instead of PhotoShop, Libre Office instead of Micro$oft Office, Postgres instead of Oracle or Ingress database, etcetera. Most of these are free, aren't bloated and hence run faster, and protect one's privacy, which is a major reason for using Linux.
Also, I believe that there are more CPUs using Linux than Micro$oft. Most Internet of Things run Linux and most big servers run Linux. Granted that Micro$oft has cornered the PC market, but that's mostly because of advertising and people not realising that there is an alternative.
You, Santa, are obviously caught up in that category and I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise, but I will not be sucked in by the big five and just give away my privacy.
You are also wrong in some of your dot points.
. There is a standard edition it's just that there are hundreds of different distributions to suit the likes of many different people's choices and let's face it, everyone is different.
. There is no hard learning curve. The applications and operating systems are usually optimised in logical structure. Remember the hassle of switching to Windoze 10 or whatever it was. Many of my contemporaries at the time couldn't find what they wanted because of the completely, illogical new layout.
. There is no limited market share. Linux is available to everyone.
. There is the lack of proprietary software but I don't understand why that is a bad thing. Why get locked into having to pay someone for something that can be done for free?
. I don't find it difficult to troubleshoot. Most errors can be easily found on the internet and one doesn't have to get a so called Micro$oft specialist to fix things.
. There are millions of free games for Linux. Many of which are similar to the ones that one has to pay for. You obviously haven't been looking.
. Hardware is separate from the Operating System.
. There are many forums where people will gladly provide free support but, if you want, you can pay for support via distributions such as Red Hat.
. It's true, it doesn't run the latest Windoze software because, usually, there is better open source software that does the same thing.
. Games that run sluggishly are usually written for Windoze, the similar Linux games are optimised to run on a faster operating system, that is, Linux.
. I don't know what nor why you need helper scripts. There are plenty of scripting languages that one can use if one wants to figit with code and operations.
. You are definitely wrong about the latest patches. There are thousands of people testing the Linux system and they very quickly provide a potential solution which thousands of other people will check for security etcetera. Relying on just a small number of Micro$oft developers to find bugs and security issues is much slower and less secure. In fact, when I was reporting potential bugs to Micro$oft they refused to recognise the issues as bugs and called them "features".
I'm not going to try and change your mind because you are obviously hooked on Mico$soft but please, do knock something if you haven't given it a decent chance because that may influence others who may not be so restricted in their thinking.
It appears to me that many of the comments in this thread are negative towards switching to a new Micr$oft OS. I was just pointing out that I've never had sat problem with Linux and by the way, Windoze is supposedly Open Source nowadays.
Geeco said
01:15 PM Jun 28, 2021
I have over time replaced our phones, tablets and PC's with iPhones, IPads & iMacs. They all talk to each other and we are both totally happy with the conversion decision. The old Sony digital camera is in the cupboard with all the old MS based hardware as our iPhones take better images than the Sony camera.
Santa said
01:50 PM Jun 28, 2021
The market share of Linux world wide is extremely limited 2.38% (very low user uptake) in Australia even lower 1.43% that's less than 1.5 users out of every hundred us Linux, the chances of ever running into another user are remote
"There is a standard edition it's just that there are hundreds of different distributions"
I don't even know what that means!!!!
"Remember the hassle of switching to Windoze 10"
Not at all, I've been with Windows since 95 it all seemed quite intuitive.
Your right neither of us will give ground, and why should we, your happy with Linux as am I with Microsoft, the fact that we're different and have different opinions doesn't make either of us right or wrong.
Are We Lost said
01:54 PM Jun 28, 2021
Thanks Buzz for pointing out the illogical comments made in favour of Microsoft.
I think the biggest of these was to suggest Linux had less market share. In fact Linux is the more professional operating system preferred by corporates. Almost twice as many websites use Linux as Windows.
One of the reasons the corporate world prefers it is due to less bloat than Windows, requiring less resources and better stability. In the PC world, Microsoft is only stronger because of their marketing and the fact that it is now included with most new PCs. That does not mean it is better.
Difficult to troubleshoot? I would have to say it's the opposite.
But, I am a user of Windows because there is more software available for it. Other than that, I believe Linux is better.
Buzz Lightbulb said
01:57 PM Jun 28, 2021
Santa,
It appears that you are giving stats for the desktop whereas I was referring to all computers.
Santa said
02:09 PM Jun 28, 2021
Geeco wrote:
I have over time replaced our phones, tablets and PC's with iPhones, IPads & iMacs. They all talk to each other and we are both totally happy with the conversion decision. The old Sony digital camera is in the cupboard with all the old MS based hardware as our iPhones take better images than the Sony camera.
G'day Gary, my better half is a dyed in the wool Cupertino addict, Iphone and iPad, I have to agree the way they talk to each other is pretty impressive, and they certainly handle updates far less intrusively than Windows.
Sadly every time I'm placed in the position of having to use one i.e. answer a call, view images take a photo or whatever I manage to derail the process, it's a bit like handling Kryptonite for me, so, we're a family divided, me with my new old Nokia flip phone and Windows 10 and the boss with her Apple toys.
Have to say I much prefer my Nikon DSLR with it's flexibility to pfaffing around trying to take pix withe any phone.
Santa said
02:13 PM Jun 28, 2021
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Santa,
It appears that you are giving stats for the desktop whereas I was referring to all computers.
I'm not in the business of trying to score points Buzz, I think we've both made our thoughts very clear, suggest we leave it here. PS no longer any emoticons so cant add a smiley face.
Buzz Lightbulb said
02:45 PM Jun 28, 2021
bgt wrote:
Thanks Santa. At home we have a good fast service. But a 20gig a month contract. So that kills it for me.
I think that Linux (Ubuntu distribution) image still fits into a 2Gb USB thumb drive.
JeffRae said
03:58 PM Jun 28, 2021
Ubuntu = 2.59GB
Linux Mint = 1.89GB
I find Linux Mint more user friendly than Ubuntu, and Linux more user friendly overall if you use the software in their repositories (libraries).
Just throwing this out there, for anyone who wishes to increase their hard drive size
If you purchase a WD (Western Digital) hard drive
You can download a free hard drive cloning software, through the WD website
It allows you to clone your original hard drive (whatever make it is), to your new WD hard drive, free of charge
The only stipulation is, the new WD hard drive must be equal size, or larger than the original hard drive
I can confirm, that changing a normal HDD to a SSD hard drive, makes startups go faster
I have no idea if other manufactures, allow the same free software
I use both Linux and Microsoft computers, Linux will read Microsoft, but Microsoft will not read Linux
I will keep an open mind about Windows 11
Just picking up on Tony Bev's comment on the superior performance of SSD over traditional hard disk, I would rephrase that comment to ....
"I can confirm, that changing a normal HDD to a SSD hard drive, makes startups go MUCH MUCH faster".
As for cloning software, Windows has built in facilities to do this. No need to get Western Digital, or any specific brand, and definitely no need to pay for software.
Using Windows inbuilt software to clone a hard drive
It's not difficult or requiring of technical expertise, but if after watching the video you did not understand it, then I recommend you get assistance from someone who does.
I sometimes help out friends whose PCs have slowed to a crawl. In most cases, I find the cause is a proliferation of unnecessay software that runs at startup, and then remains running in the background, consuming precious resources. Just yesterday I looked at a laptop that was taking at least 10-15 minutes to boot up. It had lots of disk space, and enough memory, but had 3 virus protectors. Just removing one made it workable again ..... need to get back to attack more.
So, rather than cloning your hard disk, a fresh Windows installation and reinstall software may be a better solution if you can backup and restore your files.
It's like any backup software, you must remember to create a new image every now and then
www.macrium.com/reflectfree
I have used it for a number of years
I'm trying to understand why people are so enamored with Linux, I researched it some time ago and found running many of the Windows programs I regularly used was going to be a major drama.
Just did a search and found nothing much has changed, everything seems like a massive compromise.
Why, when everything I need runs so effortlessly on Windows would I risk the drama of installing an operating system that seems to be designed for nerds, and then have to download even more stuff like Wine to enable me to do what Windows does so well, simply cant fathom the logic.
Even then I'm faced with an OS that they admit has difficulties, I'll stick with Windows.
It doesn't always run the latest versions of Windows products.
Some games and applications run sluggishly.
Lacks helper scripts.
Doesn't have the latest patches and improvements.
Hell will freeze over when I load Win 11, in the past I have tried 8, 8.1 and 10 did not like them at all.
So I went back to Win 7, after a clean install, I disabled windows update, then I loaded the software and programes that I want, partitioned the hard drive into 2 partitions 1 for the operating system and the 2nd is for Data, using Mini Tool Partition wizard . Then I cloned that HDD to a Hybrid (SSHD) using Macrim Reflect, replaced the origional HDD with the Hybrid, that gives me a clean Installation copy that I can refresh the hybrid from time to time.
The advantage of have a clean copy that you can refresh your OS from time to time, is you loose not data and the registry cleaned up geting rid of the registry bloating that slows your system.
And me, works for what I want.
Dick.
Widows always has required a bit of user input maintenance wise, if your a set and forget type person sooner or later you will have problems.
I've used most of the Microsoft offerings over the years, some better than others but I've found most to be fine.
As I said I find Windows 10 to be very satisfactory, like any new operating system it takes a little getting used to, once sorted out it's pretty much second nature.
Are the downloads for updates as big as I've been led to believe?
They certainly are pretty substantial, however can be managed.
If you have a PC you use infrequently, chances are when you boot it up there will be a raft of updates, which can take forever, particularly if your in a hurry to use the machine.
Updates can be managed to a degree if you go into settings/advanced options/pause updates for up to 35 days.
Not ideal though you can work with it.
I would expect something better in W11, maybe I'm dreamin.
I'm in the position of having to update at the moment, I normally let it run when I go to bed, by the AM good to go, however will run it now and report back as to how long it takes.
OK done and dusted, download just under 14GB, total time including restart 9 minutes.
Bearing in mind this is an old laptop with a Core i5 processor and my current internet connection is via a dongle so pretty slow.
Santa said "... Updates can be managed to a degree if you go into settings/advanced options/pause updates for up to 35 days."
Actually, you can permanently put them on hold by going into the Group Policy Editor (not available for Home edition). This is what businesses with IT support typically do, so they are in control of the update process.
I consider updates are a necessary evil, because the number of threats in the environment is ever growing. But sometimes the updates cause things to fail, remove features or add more Microsoft telemetery and bloat. So I let them queue up for maybe 6 months, then take a backup image of the PC being letting them have their way. With all updates applied at once I can then restore the PC to the original version if there is some unwanted change.
I dislike Microsoft and most other big tech with a passion, mainly because of their business models and hidden impacts on users. I just wish I could find a replacement that worked better for me.
Edit. I saw Santa posted info on the download. Wow. 14GB is huge if you are travelling and on a mobile connection, and if your location is not ideal could take a looong time. But presumably that can run in the background.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Sunday 27th of June 2021 06:14:16 PM
I still have a few computers running XP for 3D work. They were never connected to the internet & still work well. One is a dual CPU, they all have 12GB of ram which was a fair bit in it's day.
Yep, its a fair slab of data, fortunately we're on an unlimited plan.
As I commented it's an old laptop and the connection is less than speedy, never the less download time was reasonable.
The GPE can be downloaded from Microsoft and installed into the home edition of W10.
Probably an easier way to, more or less, stop updates is to designate the internet connection as "Metered", this will stop all updates except ones Microsoft considers vital - security flaws I think.
Main menu - Settings - Network and internet - Status - WiFi - Properties - Set as metered connection.
Not really, MS will continue support for W10 until Oct 2025, no one is forcing you to go to W11.
Bear in mind many people are still happily using XP Vista and other early releases, I suspect many will continue to use W10 for years after MS discontinue support.
For those of us who must have the very latest, guess they will have to do whatever is necessary.
Can't see myself moving past 10 anytime in the near future.
Businesses and tech savvy users will not want to be using un-supported operating systems.
Well there are many reasons why people use Linux:
There are many programs that do the equivalent of Windoze software and they are free. Such as, Gimp instead of PhotoShop, Libre Office instead of Micro$oft Office, Postgres instead of Oracle or Ingress database, etcetera. Most of these are free, aren't bloated and hence run faster, and protect one's privacy, which is a major reason for using Linux.
Also, I believe that there are more CPUs using Linux than Micro$oft. Most Internet of Things run Linux and most big servers run Linux. Granted that Micro$oft has cornered the PC market, but that's mostly because of advertising and people not realising that there is an alternative.
You, Santa, are obviously caught up in that category and I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise, but I will not be sucked in by the big five and just give away my privacy.
You are also wrong in some of your dot points.
. There is a standard edition it's just that there are hundreds of different distributions to suit the likes of many different people's choices and let's face it, everyone is different.
. There is no hard learning curve. The applications and operating systems are usually optimised in logical structure. Remember the hassle of switching to Windoze 10 or whatever it was. Many of my contemporaries at the time couldn't find what they wanted because of the completely, illogical new layout.
. There is no limited market share. Linux is available to everyone.
. There is the lack of proprietary software but I don't understand why that is a bad thing. Why get locked into having to pay someone for something that can be done for free?
. I don't find it difficult to troubleshoot. Most errors can be easily found on the internet and one doesn't have to get a so called Micro$oft specialist to fix things.
. There are millions of free games for Linux. Many of which are similar to the ones that one has to pay for. You obviously haven't been looking.
. Hardware is separate from the Operating System.
. There are many forums where people will gladly provide free support but, if you want, you can pay for support via distributions such as Red Hat.
. It's true, it doesn't run the latest Windoze software because, usually, there is better open source software that does the same thing.
. Games that run sluggishly are usually written for Windoze, the similar Linux games are optimised to run on a faster operating system, that is, Linux.
. I don't know what nor why you need helper scripts. There are plenty of scripting languages that one can use if one wants to figit with code and operations.
. You are definitely wrong about the latest patches. There are thousands of people testing the Linux system and they very quickly provide a potential solution which thousands of other people will check for security etcetera. Relying on just a small number of Micro$oft developers to find bugs and security issues is much slower and less secure. In fact, when I was reporting potential bugs to Micro$oft they refused to recognise the issues as bugs and called them "features".
I'm not going to try and change your mind because you are obviously hooked on Mico$soft but please, do knock something if you haven't given it a decent chance because that may influence others who may not be so restricted in their thinking.
It appears to me that many of the comments in this thread are negative towards switching to a new Micr$oft OS. I was just pointing out that I've never had sat problem with Linux and by the way, Windoze is supposedly Open Source nowadays.
The market share of Linux world wide is extremely limited 2.38% (very low user uptake) in Australia even lower 1.43% that's less than 1.5 users out of every hundred us Linux, the chances of ever running into another user are remote
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide
"There is a standard edition it's just that there are hundreds of different distributions"
I don't even know what that means!!!!
"Remember the hassle of switching to Windoze 10"
Not at all, I've been with Windows since 95 it all seemed quite intuitive.
Your right neither of us will give ground, and why should we, your happy with Linux as am I with Microsoft, the fact that we're different and have different opinions doesn't make either of us right or wrong.
Thanks Buzz for pointing out the illogical comments made in favour of Microsoft.
I think the biggest of these was to suggest Linux had less market share. In fact Linux is the more professional operating system preferred by corporates. Almost twice as many websites use Linux as Windows.
Usage for websites: Linux vs Windows
One of the reasons the corporate world prefers it is due to less bloat than Windows, requiring less resources and better stability. In the PC world, Microsoft is only stronger because of their marketing and the fact that it is now included with most new PCs. That does not mean it is better.
Difficult to troubleshoot? I would have to say it's the opposite.
But, I am a user of Windows because there is more software available for it. Other than that, I believe Linux is better.
Santa,
It appears that you are giving stats for the desktop whereas I was referring to all computers.
G'day Gary, my better half is a dyed in the wool Cupertino addict, Iphone and iPad, I have to agree the way they talk to each other is pretty impressive, and they certainly handle updates far less intrusively than Windows.
Sadly every time I'm placed in the position of having to use one i.e. answer a call, view images take a photo or whatever I manage to derail the process, it's a bit like handling Kryptonite for me, so, we're a family divided, me with my new old Nokia flip phone and Windows 10 and the boss with her Apple toys.
Have to say I much prefer my Nikon DSLR with it's flexibility to pfaffing around trying to take pix withe any phone.
I'm not in the business of trying to score points Buzz, I think we've both made our thoughts very clear, suggest we leave it here. PS no longer any emoticons so cant add a smiley face.
I think that Linux (Ubuntu distribution) image still fits into a 2Gb USB thumb drive.
Ubuntu = 2.59GB
Linux Mint = 1.89GB
I find Linux Mint more user friendly than Ubuntu, and Linux more user friendly overall if you use the software in their repositories (libraries).