I think it's only a matter of time before researchers and engineers produce EVs which are economically superior to ICE vehicles. It would happen a lot faster if governments viewed EV subsidies as an investment rather than a cost.
Whenever there is an imperative, technology always comes to the rescue. COVID-19 came along and within a year we had a vaccine, not the usual 10 years. Kennedy said that we would go to the moon before the end of his decade, and we did. The Catholic Church suppressed scientific endeavour for 500 years, now it's the antivaxxers and technophobes who are doing the same.
I confess that I'll probably never buy an EV unless the government forces me to. My next purchase will be a diesel powered motorhome, and that will hopefully last me till the end of my days. However, I can see the future coming, assuming that Putin, Trump, Xi Xinping, et al don't kill us all
Dorian, The ground work for the vaccines had been going on for many years. Sarah Gilbert and Catherine Green in England developed the Astrazeneca vaccine and Katalin Kariko developed the Moderna/ Pfizer vaccine. Science came to our rescue, but it took many years, not one.
That's correct but is it wasn't for the SARS-CoV2 virus, the vaccines would not have been rapidly developed so Dorian is also correct.
Buzz Lightbulb said
11:39 AM Apr 2, 2022
Whenarewethere wrote:
.... We have spent $2 billion on new tanks that when transported around the country the GVM is too heavy for bridges. I hate to think of the cost of replacing bridges. Probably not much change out of $1 trillion.
Not to mention the millions of billions of dollars that will be needed to fix the flood damage and damage done by more severe weather events caused by climate change.
The GST was supposed to be a fair tax until businesses, charities, governments and others seeked exemptions. The fairest thing would be GST on everything, no exemptions, no other Government taxes except income taxes, no exemptions on those, tax the super rich fairly and an UBI.
Buzz Lightbulb said
11:41 AM Apr 2, 2022
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
For short trips ? A little Corolla sized vehicle around $25k would not use much fuel ! Or about the same amount in coal to produce the electricity to charge at todays infrastructure! The good part driving out Mudgee way I saw two big solar farms ! Need MORE ! My worry is on the east coast we have had weeks of overcast days ! We cant close down other types of generation completely! We have EVs at Ausgrid! Trouble is most didnt understand the battery usage and being so quiet used up battery in quick time ! Us lineworkers bagged out most that run flat where OFFICE workers ! Not much different to free camping ? You have to keep on top of things ! Nothing is automatically done ! Driving interstate or long distance Vs a vehicle to run kids to school , to work , local rail station etc is possibly two different vehicles? The little Mitsubishi cars we had wouldnt have the battery to drive interstate! Atleast a two day trip with high output charger . Some planning till chargers are at hotels etc .
If the federal government invested in High Voltage Direct Current infrastructure then it wouldn't matter where the solar farms were located.
Bicyclecamper said
04:29 PM Apr 2, 2022
When I first saw the Rivian 5 years ago, I was sold on it then. When and if we sell our farm, I will buy one of these. Seems to be the only company, that are making a decent electric ute, just hope they do a right hand drive version, otherwise, it would be quite costly to convert.
Bicyclecamper said
04:54 PM Apr 2, 2022
Gundog wrote:
Dorian Compaing a long range Tesla S with 160kWh battery costing over $160,000, is beyond many average Australians, for it to complete an 1100k journey in less than a day is highly dependant on Tesla fast chargers being available.
The affordable EV under $60,000 have batteries between 40 and 60kWh, The Rivian has a 135kWh would be approximatly $110,000 when and if it is released in Australia.
I was hoping that someone would respond with actual range of their EV and how long they would expect to take on a comparable journey.
Or is the reality that the EV totally unsuitable for the majority of Australia save the metro and large regional cities.
The reality is I had to make that 1100km journey which took 13hrs, the only need to stop was toilet needs and to feed the crew, no fuel stop was required.
I can beat every EV, and ICE with my range at the moment. Some of my trips are up to 5000km round trip. The cost to all this is 3 meals a day. Although I do have a low fuel usage car, we never do those size trips in the car. The bike is used for big trips instead, as my partner, is happy for 6 hour trips and no further. But if I could use a horse these days, safely on a road, I would use him/her instead. I wonder, what you people whom are anti EV, are going to use when ICE vehicles are banned ,and they will be banned, I suppose you will take up tandem bikes if you still have a partner instead of the dreaded EV.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Saturday 2nd of April 2022 04:54:50 PM
mus429 said
12:06 PM Apr 15, 2022
A couple of things to think about. When on the road its not cheap to charge an EV with a high amp supply. A recent example was in England where they compared a small diesel car the same size as an EV to travel north to Scotland. Diesel car cost !60 pound for fuel and was 4 hours faster to get to the destination than the Electric car which cost 220 pounds for charging enroute. That's 50% higher fuel cost for the same trip and slower.
Ford is releasing its Electric F150 in the states which is much cheaper and more efficient than the Rivian.
The comment about the government subsidising more electric gizmos is just crazy. Someone has to pay the bills and where is all the road maintenance going to come from with lesser and lesser fuel tax.
Also, Tesla charging points will not charge other brand electric vehicles as owners of Rivians in the states have found. You can't drive a Rivian across the states as there are almost no charging points.
That's correct but is it wasn't for the SARS-CoV2 virus, the vaccines would not have been rapidly developed so Dorian is also correct.
Not to mention the millions of billions of dollars that will be needed to fix the flood damage and damage done by more severe weather events caused by climate change.
The GST was supposed to be a fair tax until businesses, charities, governments and others seeked exemptions. The fairest thing would be GST on everything, no exemptions, no other Government taxes except income taxes, no exemptions on those, tax the super rich fairly and an UBI.
If the federal government invested in High Voltage Direct Current infrastructure then it wouldn't matter where the solar farms were located.
I can beat every EV, and ICE with my range at the moment. Some of my trips are up to 5000km round trip. The cost to all this is 3 meals a day. Although I do have a low fuel usage car, we never do those size trips in the car. The bike is used for big trips instead, as my partner, is happy for 6 hour trips and no further. But if I could use a horse these days, safely on a road, I would use him/her instead. I wonder, what you people whom are anti EV, are going to use when ICE vehicles are banned ,and they will be banned, I suppose you will take up tandem bikes if you still have a partner instead of the dreaded EV.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Saturday 2nd of April 2022 04:54:50 PM
Ford is releasing its Electric F150 in the states which is much cheaper and more efficient than the Rivian.
The comment about the government subsidising more electric gizmos is just crazy. Someone has to pay the bills and where is all the road maintenance going to come from with lesser and lesser fuel tax.
Also, Tesla charging points will not charge other brand electric vehicles as owners of Rivians in the states have found. You can't drive a Rivian across the states as there are almost no charging points.
A lot to consider with EVs