Posting a photograph of a caravan accident and then deriding the driver and declaring him incompetent is typical of you Yobarr.
For all we know he may have been run off the road by one of those idiots driving a gravel or log truck.
People are not incompetent drivers just because they dont hold a truck licence.
watsea said
10:45 AM Jul 21, 2022
Interestingly, the car driver had enough skill to get the car between the two posts of the dingo sign but the wider caravan didn't fit.
watsea said
10:46 AM Jul 21, 2022
Oops. Just deleted a double post
-- Edited by watsea on Thursday 21st of July 2022 10:48:04 AM
yobarr said
11:31 AM Jul 21, 2022
watsea wrote:
Interestingly, the car driver had enough skill to get the car between the two posts of the dingo sign but the wider caravan didn't fit.
Nice driving, and on the incorrect side of the road too. Very skilful driving, you would have to agree. Probably you would also have noted that in my original post I simply posted a photo that I thought may be of interest,making no mention of the driver being "incompetent, but it seems that one member can see words that I can't. Most truck drivers are vastly more competent than most car drivers, as it takes more than a little skill to drive a 60 metre long multi-trailer vehicle weighing 160 tons on public highways among caravanners who would've perhaps been better to have bought a guided tour. Because dropping wheels off the side of the road could cause a huge accident we tend to simply slow down if necessary, and hold our line, but never intentionally do we run others off the road. Well, not often anyway, although I have witnessed a couple of incidents where the truck won. Cheers
P.S This is what is known as a quad, obviously with 4 trailers.
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 21st of July 2022 11:33:30 AM
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 21st of July 2022 12:28:02 PM
A major crash involving several trucks outside of Newman in the Pilbara has forced the closure of Great Northern Highway in both directions.
Early reports suggest at least three trucks were involved in the collision, which occurred about 30km north of Newman on Saturday afternoon.
This was a few days ago most likely caused by 3 very competent road train so called operators tailgating the highway was closed for a couple of days so Yobbo not all truck drivers have an IQ of 160 and the driving ability you claim to have. But after reading a post of yours concerning cattle stations and wheat i find it difficult to take anything you write overly serious
Izabarack said
01:37 PM Jul 21, 2022
If driving tests and license endorsements worked, then we would never see any trucks involved in crashes. We already have speed limits posted around the place but have ample evidence that the posted speed limits are regularly exceeded. I would like just one of those calling for mandatory towing courses and license endorsement to explain how a towing course would prevent crashes. Its a kind of Put up or Shut up question. A very simple to implement measure, that, logically, would lead to fewer caravan involved crashes would be to bring in a speed limit of a max of 90 KPH for vehicles towing anything.
Mike Harding said
02:27 PM Jul 21, 2022
Izabarack wrote:
A very simple to implement measure, that, logically, would lead to fewer caravan involved crashes would be to bring in a speed limit of a max of 90 KPH for vehicles towing anything.
It is hard to argue with that logic... don't you think?
This country has an obsession with enforcing speed laws in the name of safety so who could deny that once you stick a three ton box on the back of a small vehicle driven by someone with little or no experience that it would be sensible to limit such a vehicle's maximum speed to below that which is permitted without the three ton box?
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I have always wondered why, in Australia, a 65 ton B double is permitted to travel at the same speed as a Porsche 911?
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Thursday 21st of July 2022 02:32:08 PM
DMaxer said
03:15 PM Jul 21, 2022
The majority of people who tow vans are not inexperienced drivers. Most have been driving for years and in fact are good drivers. The fact that some may not be able to reverse it into a tight space means nothing. Go down to the local tip and watch some of the attempts with a box trailer or go to the local boat ramp and watch some of the action.
People with maturity understand that a van has challenges and drive accordingly. The ones that I see flying past at 110 plus are usually people that have had their licence for only a few short years.
I think most van drivers are safe, mindful and courteous despite what some may think.
Gundog said
03:22 PM Jul 21, 2022
Izabarack wrote:
If driving tests and license endorsements worked, then we would never see any trucks involved in crashes. We already have speed limits posted around the place but have ample evidence that the posted speed limits are regularly exceeded. I would like just one of those calling for mandatory towing courses and license endorsement to explain how a towing course would prevent crashes. Its a kind of Put up or Shut up question. A very simple to implement measure, that, logically, would lead to fewer caravan involved crashes would be to bring in a speed limit of a max of 90 KPH for vehicles towing anything.
I for one wondered the same thing, you can train anyone to pass a driving test and rules of the road, but as soon they have that bit of plastic with a picture on it, thats a licence to choose which rules apply them, not many is my observation.
I suppose when we are towing at 90-95, we get 2 to 3 in a day overtake us and disappear into the distance and out of sight in no time.
I drive the Bruce Hwy from the Whitsundays to Brissy every few months vanless, we set the cruise control to 100 and we are getting passed with cars and trucks going like the bat out of hell, even on the 110 section between the sunny coast and caboolture same thing occurs.
And then you have the good old 200 series with the block of flats sitting on 75 pissing the everyone off.
86GTS said
03:24 PM Jul 21, 2022
Quite a few old blokes with big rigs fancy themselves as being like truckies.
Probably a boyhood dream that came true after retiring.
Has anyone else noticed that vertically challenged men love BIG TOYS?
A step ladder being an essential item to reach things on their caravan.
Some of these guys have the attitude that " I'm not slowing down or letting trucks overtake me". " I'm a good driver I can tow this thing in any type of conditions".
These guys are a danger to others & themselves.
My opinions have been gained by listening to blow hards at Happy Hours.
I don't do Happy Hours or CP's any more.
Mike Harding said
03:34 PM Jul 21, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
The majority of people who tow vans are not inexperienced drivers.
Inexperienced in towing a 3T box Dmaxer - do I have to spell everything out for you?
DMaxer said
03:44 PM Jul 21, 2022
That is the upper range Mike. In any event it is not difficult. If you are correctly loaded, your car is maintained and you are cognisant you are towing something then there is no issue. One would think it was akin to steering the Missouri through the Magellan Straits the way some carry on.
One thing I have noticed with caravan owners is that there is not a hint of road rage, meth addiction or an attitude that they own the road. I think in the main they are a courteous, considerate and nice bunch of people who have just as much right to travel on the roads as the ten four brigade.
yobarr said
05:55 PM Jul 21, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
That is the upper range Mike. In any event it is not difficult. If you are correctly loaded, your car is maintained and you are cognisant you are towing something then there is no issue. One would think it was akin to steering the Missouri through the Magellan Straits the way some carry on. One thing I have noticed with caravan owners is that there is not a hint of road rage, meth addiction or an attitude that they own the road. I think in the main they are a courteous, considerate and nice bunch of people who have just as much right to travel on the roads as the ten four brigade.
You seem to have a well-blinkered opinion of the caravanning brigade, but you are certainly right when you say that correct loading is critical. Problem is the vast majority wouldn't recognise correct loading if it parked in front of them. Overloaded cars and vans abound as evidenced by the recent Police exercise in Queensland(?) that found 90% of vans were overloaded. With generator boxes, bicycles, tool boxes, motorcycles, multiple jerry cans, spare wheels, kayaks, barbecues, pole storage pipes, satellite dishes and any number of other items hanging off both ends and on top of their vehicles it is little wonder they're overloaded. And "No", a WDH won't help! ( Just saying) Not a hint of road rage you say, but surely this would apply only to the caravanners themselves? Don't dare mention conger lines of cars and other vehicles lined up behind these people as they "Do the lap" at 75kph, oblivious to the mayhem they're causing all around them. As you suggest they likely are a nice bunch of people but many/most have little idea about how to safely load a caravan so that it is well balanced and can be safely towed. This is the reason that I believe that it is necessary for drivers to obtain tuition, and to be licenced after passing appropriate tests. Manouvering the caravan in a caravan park etc is of little consequence as often there are others on site to assist if necessary, but first the caravanner must get there in one piece! Unfortunately there is little chance of such a proposal ever being acceptable to caravanners because they ALL are excellent drivers. Just ask them. Cheers
P.S Did the cure-all WDH break the drawbar? Note the generator box(?) toolbox, satellite dish, toolbox and Trailamate all packed on the drawbar, all helping the WDH to break it!
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 21st of July 2022 06:00:45 PM
Quite a few old blokes with big rigs fancy themselves as being like truckies. Probably a boyhood dream that came true after retiring. Has anyone else noticed that vertically challenged men love BIG TOYS? A step ladder being an essential item to reach things on their caravan. Some of these guys have the attitude that " I'm not slowing down or letting trucks overtake me". " I'm a good driver I can tow this thing in any type of conditions". These guys are a danger to others & themselves. My opinions have been gained by listening to blow hards at Happy Hours. I don't do Happy Hours or CP's any more.
Great post Roy, with many truths! Shore Tarzes certainly do seem to prefer BIG TOYS. On the open road there appears to be an abundance of members of the "I'm not slowing down or letting trucks overtake me" brigade too, not to mention those caravanners who want to blissfully toodle along at 80kph, holding up traffic .. only until an overtaking lane appears. Then it's "pedal to the metal. We're outta here". Gone! The resultant high speed is maintained only until the overtaking lane ends, then it's back to 80kph. These clowns should be locked up as they are a very real danger to other road users who then are likely to then take risks trying to overtake. My pet hate, as a truck driver, is those people who have a "Gotta get past the truck.Gotta get past the truck" attitude, which is fine, but once they've passed us these clowns regularly will slow down to a speed lower than ours. Like you, I no longer do Happy Hours or CPs as I have a tendency to explain their pedigree to such blow hards, which can create problems. For many, their biggest asset is their ignorance. Cheers
KJB said
06:45 PM Jul 21, 2022
yobarr wrote:
DMaxer wrote:
That is the upper range Mike. In any event it is not difficult. If you are correctly loaded, your car is maintained and you are cognisant you are towing something then there is no issue. One would think it was akin to steering the Missouri through the Magellan Straits the way some carry on. One thing I have noticed with caravan owners is that there is not a hint of road rage, meth addiction or an attitude that they own the road. I think in the main they are a courteous, considerate and nice bunch of people who have just as much right to travel on the roads as the ten four brigade.
You seem to have a well-blinkered opinion of the caravanning brigade, but you are certainly right when you say that correct loading is critical. Problem is the vast majority wouldn't recognise correct loading if it parked in front of them. Overloaded cars and vans abound as evidenced by the recent Police exercise in Queensland(?) that found 90% of vans were overloaded. With generator boxes, bicycles, tool boxes, motorcycles, multiple jerry cans, spare wheels, kayaks, barbecues, pole storage pipes, satellite dishes and any number of other items hanging off both ends and on top of their vehicles it is little wonder they're overloaded. And "No", a WDH won't help! ( Just saying) Not a hint of road rage you say, but surely this would apply only to the caravanners themselves? Don't dare mention conger lines of cars and other vehicles lined up behind these people as they "Do the lap" at 75kph, oblivious to the mayhem they're causing all around them. As you suggest they likely are a nice bunch of people but many/most have little idea about how to safely load a caravan so that it is well balanced and can be safely towed. This is the reason that I believe that it is necessary for drivers to obtain tuition, and to be licenced after passing appropriate tests. Manouvering the caravan in a caravan park etc is of little consequence as often there are others on site to assist if necessary, but first the caravanner must get there in one piece! Unfortunately there is little chance of such a proposal ever being acceptable to caravanners because they ALL are excellent drivers. Just ask them. Cheers
P.S Did the cure-all WDH break the drawbar? Note the generator box(?) toolbox, satellite dish, toolbox and Trailamate all packed on the drawbar, all helping the WDH to break it!
The Groop Doin' the Loop - all at 85 kph ...and 20 metres apart ..........the biggest pain!!! KB
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 21st of July 2022 06:00:45 PM
yobarr said
06:59 PM Jul 21, 2022
Never a truer word spoken, Kerry! BUT they're all good drivers! Just ask them. Cheers
DMaxer said
06:27 AM Jul 22, 2022
There are thousands of people towing vans and the vast majority are safe, courteous and competent drivers. Likewise, there are thousands of truck drivers and the same rationale applies to them. All you are doing is looking to find isolated incidents to highlight your own deluded self perception that you are the alpha oracle because you drive a big truck. Or do you?
deverall11 said
09:26 AM Jul 22, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
There are thousands of people towing vans and the vast majority are safe, courteous and competent drivers. Likewise, there are thousands of truck drivers and the same rationale applies to them. All you are doing is looking to find isolated incidents to highlight your own deluded self perception that you are the alpha oracle because you drive a big truck. Or do you?
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Aussie1 said
09:29 AM Jul 22, 2022
deverall11 wrote:
DMaxer wrote:
There are thousands of people towing vans and the vast majority are safe, courteous and competent drivers. Likewise, there are thousands of truck drivers and the same rationale applies to them. All you are doing is looking to find isolated incidents to highlight your own deluded self perception that you are the alpha oracle because you drive a big truck. Or do you?
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diggerop said
10:16 AM Jul 22, 2022
Yeah, its possible to find a photo of anything on the www these days to suit any agenda.
Aussie1 said
01:44 PM Jul 22, 2022
diggerop wrote:
Yeah, its possible to find a photo of anything on the www these days to suit any agenda.
So very true.
86GTS said
02:57 PM Jul 22, 2022
Aussie1 wrote:
diggerop wrote:
Yeah, its possible to find a photo of anything on the www these days to suit any agenda.
So very true.
Absolutely.
So many bored people browsing the www digging up crap to share with others on forums too.
Dougwe said
03:00 PM Jul 22, 2022
Aussie1 wrote:
deverall11 wrote:
DMaxer wrote:
There are thousands of people towing vans and the vast majority are safe, courteous and competent drivers. Likewise, there are thousands of truck drivers and the same rationale applies to them. All you are doing is looking to find isolated incidents to highlight your own deluded self perception that you are the alpha oracle because you drive a big truck. Or do you?
Perhaps some towing lessons would have taught this clown about how caravans track? Cheers
That to me is spot on, a big tick.
And that is only the "A" trailer....! Hate to see him with a "Triple" ......
Murray
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Perhaps the driver of the "Off Road" van, (Nice one Murray!) and this fella,were taught at the same towing school? Cheers
Oops. Just deleted a double post
-- Edited by watsea on Thursday 21st of July 2022 10:48:04 AM
Nice driving, and on the incorrect side of the road too. Very skilful driving, you would have to agree. Probably you would also have noted that in my original post I simply posted a photo that I thought may be of interest,making no mention of the driver being "incompetent, but it seems that one member can see words that I can't. Most truck drivers are vastly more competent than most car drivers, as it takes more than a little skill to drive a 60 metre long multi-trailer vehicle weighing 160 tons on public highways among caravanners who would've perhaps been better to have bought a guided tour. Because dropping wheels off the side of the road could cause a huge accident we tend to simply slow down if necessary, and hold our line, but never intentionally do we run others off the road. Well, not often anyway, although I have witnessed a couple of incidents where the truck won. Cheers
P.S This is what is known as a quad, obviously with 4 trailers.
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 21st of July 2022 11:33:30 AM
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 21st of July 2022 12:28:02 PM
Early reports suggest at least three trucks were involved in the collision, which occurred about 30km north of Newman on Saturday afternoon.
This was a few days ago most likely caused by 3 very competent road train so called operators tailgating the highway was closed for a couple of days so Yobbo not all truck drivers have an IQ of 160 and the driving ability you claim to have. But after reading a post of yours concerning cattle stations and wheat i find it difficult to take anything you write overly serious
It is hard to argue with that logic... don't you think?
This country has an obsession with enforcing speed laws in the name of safety so who could deny that once you stick a three ton box on the back of a small vehicle driven by someone with little or no experience that it would be sensible to limit such a vehicle's maximum speed to below that which is permitted without the three ton box?
Edit:
I have always wondered why, in Australia, a 65 ton B double is permitted to travel at the same speed as a Porsche 911?
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Thursday 21st of July 2022 02:32:08 PM
I for one wondered the same thing, you can train anyone to pass a driving test and rules of the road, but as soon they have that bit of plastic with a picture on it, thats a licence to choose which rules apply them, not many is my observation.
I suppose when we are towing at 90-95, we get 2 to 3 in a day overtake us and disappear into the distance and out of sight in no time.
I drive the Bruce Hwy from the Whitsundays to Brissy every few months vanless, we set the cruise control to 100 and we are getting passed with cars and trucks going like the bat out of hell, even on the 110 section between the sunny coast and caboolture same thing occurs.
And then you have the good old 200 series with the block of flats sitting on 75 pissing the everyone off.
Probably a boyhood dream that came true after retiring.
Has anyone else noticed that vertically challenged men love BIG TOYS?
A step ladder being an essential item to reach things on their caravan.
Some of these guys have the attitude that " I'm not slowing down or letting trucks overtake me". " I'm a good driver I can tow this thing in any type of conditions".
These guys are a danger to others & themselves.
My opinions have been gained by listening to blow hards at Happy Hours.
I don't do Happy Hours or CP's any more.
Inexperienced in towing a 3T box Dmaxer - do I have to spell everything out for you?
You seem to have a well-blinkered opinion of the caravanning brigade, but you are certainly right when you say that correct loading is critical. Problem is the vast majority wouldn't recognise correct loading if it parked in front of them. Overloaded cars and vans abound as evidenced by the recent Police exercise in Queensland(?) that found 90% of vans were overloaded. With generator boxes, bicycles, tool boxes, motorcycles, multiple jerry cans, spare wheels, kayaks, barbecues, pole storage pipes, satellite dishes and any number of other items hanging off both ends and on top of their vehicles it is little wonder they're overloaded. And "No", a WDH won't help! ( Just saying) Not a hint of road rage you say, but surely this would apply only to the caravanners themselves? Don't dare mention conger lines of cars and other vehicles lined up behind these people as they "Do the lap" at 75kph, oblivious to the mayhem they're causing all around them. As you suggest they likely are a nice bunch of people but many/most have little idea about how to safely load a caravan so that it is well balanced and can be safely towed. This is the reason that I believe that it is necessary for drivers to obtain tuition, and to be licenced after passing appropriate tests. Manouvering the caravan in a caravan park etc is of little consequence as often there are others on site to assist if necessary, but first the caravanner must get there in one piece! Unfortunately there is little chance of such a proposal ever being acceptable to caravanners because they ALL are excellent drivers. Just ask them. Cheers
P.S Did the cure-all WDH break the drawbar? Note the generator box(?) toolbox, satellite dish, toolbox and Trailamate all packed on the drawbar, all helping the WDH to break it!
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 21st of July 2022 06:00:45 PM
Great post Roy, with many truths! Shore Tarzes certainly do seem to prefer BIG TOYS. On the open road there appears to be an abundance of members of the "I'm not slowing down or letting trucks overtake me" brigade too, not to mention those caravanners who want to blissfully toodle along at 80kph, holding up traffic .. only until an overtaking lane appears. Then it's "pedal to the metal. We're outta here". Gone! The resultant high speed is maintained only until the overtaking lane ends, then it's back to 80kph. These clowns should be locked up as they are a very real danger to other road users who then are likely to then take risks trying to overtake. My pet hate, as a truck driver, is those people who have a "Gotta get past the truck.Gotta get past the truck" attitude, which is fine, but once they've passed us these clowns regularly will slow down to a speed lower than ours. Like you, I no longer do Happy Hours or CPs as I have a tendency to explain their pedigree to such blow hards, which can create problems. For many, their biggest asset is their ignorance. Cheers
Never a truer word spoken, Kerry! BUT they're all good drivers! Just ask them. Cheers
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So very true.
Absolutely.
So many bored people browsing the www digging up crap to share with others on forums too.
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