I feel for all those people who have been hit hard by the pandemic and have no job.
I bet most of them are not of this forum as they most likely be young people working in hospitality and tourism.
No one has mentioned their jobs.
I wonder all those hiding under the doona, wanting borders to stay closed going to support these young people?
I get it , this virus ain't pretty if you get it, but look at the facts, even in victoria you have little chance of catching it.
Keep safe out there..
mixo
p.s looks like NSW will get all my money when I go on leave this august.WA and QLD will miss out of at least 10K from my family and guess what we are corona FREE..
p.s.s I hear SA and NT will open borders in July, if this is true then they will get our family's business and I will support them and their tourist businesses.
While we all feel for the tourist industry particularly in Qld during the winter when profits are highest due to visitors, I suggest that you go to any of the large holiday centres and play Spot the Aussie.
The tourism industry relies heavily on OVERSEAS tourists, just talk to most Aussies, on the whole they find these holiday Meccas far too expensive and generally far too crowded during normal times.
Even if our internal borders were open most of these businesses would still not survive without international visitors.
I also note that the derogatory comments and views relating to some state premiers being smart enough to keep their respective borders shut are, in the majority, coming from those from within problem states.
You may play this chinavirus down or you may talk it up but it is here in our country, it is real, and it is dangerous to the point of being deadly. The closure of the borders is only one measure that is being advised by responsible state health officials.
Look at the approval ratings the Premiers have in the states where their borders are closed. The figures are through the roof figuratively speaking.
I have a very dear friend in Victoria and she was wanting to come to Queensland partly for family reasons this year and she obviously cant get here as she had hoped.
During our conversation yesterday she told me it was reported in Victoria that from one family there has been 27 cases of social transmission over the last week or so. That is only one situation.
The fact is that the two most populated states unfortunately have the least responsible Premiers and health officials when it comes to the controlling of this disease, and this is the reason why the borders are closed.
It was simple in the earlier stages of just correctly isolating all pockets of infection, shutting or at least CORRECTLY monitoring everyone that had to come in and enforce self isolation and strictly monitor travel. Those states that elected not to do this has been to the detriment of everyone in Australia.
So dont blame the good Premiers, they have done the right thing.
Dont blame the residents of the virus free states, they are all pleased that their state Premiers have done the correct and moral thing for the welfare and health of the population.
The blame for this unfortunately is in the hands of the selfish and ill informed, wether they be politicians, public advisors or just the general public for the disobedience and lack of respect for others within their community and their state.
Regards
Angie
Greg 1 said
10:29 AM Jun 24, 2020
Well said Angie.
It is only because of what has been done that this country has not followed countries like Brazil, the UK and the USA.
It is not the time to be complacent and think it's over.
There will be a second wave if we do not keep measures in place for awhile yet.
Victoria is a prime example of what can start to happen very quickly if we get complacent. Victoria has the opportunity to catch it if they react quickly enough.
To those that think this runs along political lines, I for one have never voted for the ALP in my life, but I think that our Premier, Mark McGowan, has done a fantastic job in WA and the opposition have been left wallowing in his wake. This shouldn't be about politics. It is, in many ways, a state of emergency, and shouldn't be turned into a political football.
It is quite laughable that the two states that have the biggest problem are the two that didn't shut their borders, that their Premiers were the ones that have been critical of other states for not opening theirs, that it seems their population are the biggest wingers about not being able to travel interstate and now we have sizeable clusters of community transmission breaking out in Victoria.
I am sure that if NSW and Victoria get their houses in order and get this virus under control, the other states will feel confident of opening their borders again and we can all get back to doing what we all enjoy. A bit of Grey Nomading.
DMaxer said
10:37 AM Jun 24, 2020
You don't need to go to any large holiday resort to place Spot the Aussie, Angie. Going to the local shopping centre is like taking a world trip.
Rob Driver said
11:07 AM Jun 24, 2020
DMaxer wrote:
You don't need to go to any large holiday resort to place Spot the Aussie, Angie. Going to the local shopping centre is like taking a world trip.
Last year we had occasion to go to Airlie Beach to meet a cruise ship that my cousin was on.
She was disembarking for the day for shopping and such so we decided to meet with her for lunch.
It was very obvious that most people that were in the main street were international travellers and they were all shopping in the numerous souvenir shops, eating in the many cafes and bars. Even some off the ship were international travellers enjoying the voyage from Sydney to Cairns and return.
If anyone decides to go there now you will see a marked difference in numbers because it is really too expensive to do the tourist thing there even though travel is open and encouraged for Queenslanders.
I feel sorry for the businesses but it is the way it has to be for our health.
Regards
Angie
bgt said
11:52 AM Jun 24, 2020
Come on now. How can you even suggest that 'spot the Aussie' is anything other than a selfish racist attitude? Because someones skins is a different colour they aren't Australians is a bit of a slap in the face for the millions of Australians that don't look like stereotypical white Australians. I think the posters of those remarks are way out of line.
Besides, saying that tourism relies on foreign tourists is in ignorance of the many thousands of grey nomads and families that make up a huge proportion of the tourist dollars in Queensland.
Many of the posts on this thread show a sad reflection on those who are only thinking of themselves with a blinkered view of the current situation.
Rob Driver said
12:51 PM Jun 24, 2020
bgt wrote:
Come on now. How can you even suggest that 'spot the Aussie' is anything other than a selfish racist attitude? Because someones skins is a different colour they aren't Australians is a bit of a slap in the face for the millions of Australians that don't look like stereotypical white Australians. I think the posters of those remarks are way out of line. Besides, saying that tourism relies on foreign tourists is in ignorance of the many thousands of grey nomads and families that make up a huge proportion of the tourist dollars in Queensland. Many of the posts on this thread show a sad reflection on those who are only thinking of themselves with a blinkered view of the current situation.
Nothing racist about observing people from different nationalities participating in shopping and general tourist adventures and then reporting these activities on a forum.
From my observation when in Airlie Beach it was obvious that the majority of them were from overseas by listening or at least overhearing their language, observing their dress and general appearance and by actually communicating with some of them while in a cafe and then with another group on the cruise ship who were waiting in line to re board along with my cousin.
If you dont see many Aussies in any group then it is a fact, it is not racist. No one on here made any mention of skin colour not that it matters as most first Australians have a darker skin.
I think posters who remark that the state borders should open are way out of line.
Tourism in the areas of the big resorts DO rely on international tourists.
Grey Nomads and families are a minority on the list of visitors to these resorts. We are all aware that all caravan parks in Qld are open to the traveller as long as they are travelling within Qld and these parks from my observations are doing well now travel has been lifted within the state. The parks in and about our area have been reasonably booked from the opening and will be busier again during the school holidays.
Many of the posts on this thread reflect a selfish attitude to other Aussies with their constant whinging about borders being closed when the majority of all Aussies know that this closure has been advised by health professionals to protect us all.
I wonder what part of the reports of the huge number of China virus cases in Victoria and NSW that are new cases on a daily basis have you neglected to read or note. This is caused by community transmission and has been eliminated up to this day in the states that have locked their borders. These arent my words, these statistics are freely available every day.
Click on dorians link above. It shows the care less attitude of at least some travellers. There is not much more that is needed to be said.
Regards
Angie
dogbox said
01:15 PM Jun 24, 2020
i wonder how many people on this forum have dodged a bullet as a result of the border closures , most of us would most likely be in the higher risk group. if we were out and about socializing ,travelling around to country we could could have been the ones who spread the virus. you only have to go to a service station or shopping center an see the people who cough/sneeze into their hand then touch things, stand to close even when hand sanitizer is there to be used a lot of people couldn't be bothered.
SouthernComfort said
01:37 PM Jun 24, 2020
Now for the REAL facts on visitors. These are Australian Govt (Austrade) published stats for the Y/E Dec 2019 in the Top 3 ranking states:
-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Wednesday 24th of June 2020 01:38:47 PM
SouthernComfort said
01:49 PM Jun 24, 2020
To continue:
1. NSW 2. Victoria 3. Queensland
NSW
Australian visitors - 39 million / spend: $23.7 billion
International visitors - 4.38 million / spend: $11.4 billion
Victoria
Australian visitors - 29.7 million / spend: $17 billion
International visitors - 3.13 million / spend: $8.8 billion
Queensland
Australian visitors - 25.9 million / spend: $19.4 billion
International visitors - 2.78 million / spend: $6.1 billion
bgt said
01:55 PM Jun 24, 2020
Tony you're using facts. You know some folks simply choose to ignore facts. Especially those that don't suit their argument/agenda.
Izabarack said
02:01 PM Jun 24, 2020
If just one of those people reported to be travelling from Vic into NSW take the virus with them, Gladys will come in for lots of criticism. Border closures are working, let's keep it that way.
Iza
SouthernComfort said
02:17 PM Jun 24, 2020
I know you're right bgt, that's why I gave up debating the border closure topic! Trouble is, I can't just sit by and ignore blatant mythology. The facts are clear on tourism.
The Belmont Bear said
02:20 PM Jun 24, 2020
I was interested in Angies comments about how popular the Qld and the other state premiers with the closed borders are and the unpopularity of the premiers of both NSW and Vic - I actually found a newspoll (24th June) published by the Australian -
Approval ratings
Annastacia Palaszczuk (QLD) - 55%
Steven Marshall (SA) - 68%
Gladys Berejiklian (NSW) - 69%
Daniel Andrews (Vic) - 75%
Peter Gutwein (Tas) - 84%
Mark McGowan - (WA) - 89%
Scott Morrison - 65%
Unfortunately the Qld premier may not be quite as popular as you thought Angie, although as a politician I probably wouldn't be complaining too much about an approval rating of 55%. The reason she is lagging behind the other premiers (according to the articles writer) is because of her governments handling of everything other than covid..
Cheers
BB
The Belmont Bear said
02:55 PM Jun 24, 2020
What a shock Tony listening to all the Queenslanders I thought that they were facing an invasion from the south these numbers show that NSW alone gets over 13 million more domestic visitors a year than what they do - wonder if any of them come from Qld. I really hope as they are being so careful about not letting southerners cross their border that they are also showing us the same respect by not crossing ours.
Cheers
BB
SouthernComfort said
03:28 PM Jun 24, 2020
Indeed BB, we'll see. Doesn't bode well for Palaszczuk, even more so with Trad lurking in the shadows.
bgt said
11:54 AM Jun 25, 2020
Something to consider - Australia has sadly lost 104 folks from covid-19. The authorities locked us all down. That lock down no doubt saved lives. Now the lock down has become a political football.
So here's something to think about. 104 lives lost from covid-19 in 6 months. Economy shot to pieces. In Australia in 2017 it's estimated that 1700+ folks died from passive smoking. (Google it). So should we lock down the country to save those folks? Or should we ban smoking? Or should we just lock down the smokers? Should we wear a mask so that we don't inhale the smoke from others?
My point is that covid-19, here in Australia, is wrecking the economy while we have other issues that are far more deadly yet nobody is waving their arms around calling it a crisis. Seems 104 deaths is far more terrible than 1700. Hmmm. Somethings wrong. Now lets talk about those dying from stress related illnesses .........................
Bryan said
12:51 PM Jun 25, 2020
bgt wrote:
Something to consider - Australia has sadly lost 104 folks from covid-19. The authorities locked us all down. That lock down no doubt saved lives. Now the lock down has become a political football. So here's something to think about. 104 lives lost from covid-19 in 6 months. Economy shot to pieces. In Australia in 2017 it's estimated that 1700+ folks died from passive smoking. (Google it). So should we lock down the country to save those folks? Or should we ban smoking? Or should we just lock down the smokers? Should we wear a mask so that we don't inhale the smoke from others?
My point is that covid-19, here in Australia, is wrecking the economy while we have other issues that are far more deadly yet nobody is waving their arms around calling it a crisis. Seems 104 deaths is far more terrible than 1700. Hmmm. Somethings wrong. Now lets talk about those dying from stress related illnesses .........................
To make your comparison valid some data from other countries should be included and the results should be based on number of deaths per head of population to compensate from different country's population numbers.
As Covid disease is the same world wide, its management is the significant factor for the above measure.
Wizardofoz said
02:00 PM Jun 25, 2020
bgt wrote:
Something to consider - Australia has sadly lost 104 folks from covid-19. The authorities locked us all down. That lock down no doubt saved lives. Now the lock down has become a political football. So here's something to think about. 104 lives lost from covid-19 in 6 months. Economy shot to pieces. In Australia in 2017 it's estimated that 1700+ folks died from passive smoking. (Google it). So should we lock down the country to save those folks? Or should we ban smoking? Or should we just lock down the smokers? Should we wear a mask so that we don't inhale the smoke from others?
My point is that covid-19, here in Australia, is wrecking the economy while we have other issues that are far more deadly yet nobody is waving their arms around calling it a crisis. Seems 104 deaths is far more terrible than 1700. Hmmm. Somethings wrong. Now lets talk about those dying from stress related illnesses .........................
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is is the saddest FACT of all, yet not squeak from Anybody, let alone a GOVERNMENT, not even a finger raised in anger...just wait until the figures are out for 2020, I will not be surprised if they pass 5000 deaths.
COVID-19 deaths deaths pale into insignificance in comparison and the country is being strangled financially as a consequence...priorities are strange and hard to figure at times.
-- Edited by Wizardofoz on Thursday 25th of June 2020 02:01:12 PM
-- Edited by Wizardofoz on Thursday 25th of June 2020 02:02:12 PM
SouthernComfort said
04:38 PM Jun 25, 2020
And even more deaths that we don't allow to wreck the economy:
National stats Australia:
2019 road toll - 1,182 deaths
2019 infuenza - 900 deaths (not including those who didn't present to hospital)
2018 suicide - 3,046 deaths (ABS data released Sept 2019)
Rob Driver said
07:51 AM Jun 26, 2020
The figures produced by some of you above are absolutely damning.
The current reports from Victoria are frightening as the numbers increase with each day. There are new cases each day in NSW.
From what I have observed from news interviews and reports, the authorities particularly in Victoria, are in denial with regard to the way that this has been handled.
I will pray for you all.
Regards
Angie
dorian said
04:12 PM Jun 26, 2020
Are our pollies playing politics with COVID numbers? It seems that NSW has "fixed" the high number of active cases by reclassifying them twice until they disappeared from the statistics.
NSW Health's official tally of active coronavirus cases has tumbled from 330 to just six, following a series of changes to the definition of an "active case" by the state's health authority.
The most recent change, announced on June 25, means the figure no longer includes cases acquired overseas nor cases where symptoms first appeared more than four weeks earlier -- regardless of whether or not the patient has been assessed as "recovered". Active cases dropped from 98 to six as a result.
It is the second change in two weeks to the way current or active cases are counted. On June 11, NSW Health announced it would no longer count cases where recovery information was not available after six weeks. This caused the state's active case count to fall from about 330 to 71.
Rob Driver said
09:38 AM Jun 30, 2020
the rocket wrote:
Izabarack wrote:
JayDee wrote:
I cannot for the life of me can not understand as to why the Queensland Premier... Anna Pluckachuck has our borders closed.
I do. And so does my wife and kids and grandkids, even the great grandkids understand why we need to keep the virus spreaders out. All my neighbours understand. Even the local council is doing things consistent with what our fantastic Premier is doing to keep us safe. My life is more important than someone else's dollar. To go backward now would be disastrous. Once everyone else gets it right, businesses will bounce back quickly.
Anna is doing a great job. That people have to call her names shows they don't have any logical or valid argument against what she is doing.
You don't need to go to any large holiday resort to place Spot the Aussie, Angie. Going to the local shopping centre is like taking a world trip.
So right DMaxer. I went to my local mall yesterday. I definitely felt intimated. Definitely unfriendly. Met with hostile stares. Definitely felt like I shouldn't be there.
Izabarack said
01:08 PM Jun 30, 2020
bentaxlebabe wrote:
now from a CURRENT poll.
Maybe someone should tell Gladys. Shopping this morning just to the south of Brissy, noticeable that most are keeping their distance and lots of hand sanitiser being used. It's called Prosocial Behaviour and stories on the evening news show that "doing the right thing for everyone's sake" is a bit of an issue in other places in Aust. Anna's actions have us in a good position and I am happy to stay that way while those down south sort themselves out.
Iza
Wizardofoz said
03:10 PM Jun 30, 2020
Seems with exception of VICTORIA, everyone else has sorted themselves out.
SouthernComfort said
04:55 PM Jun 30, 2020
It's not the 99.99% of VICTORIANS (apparently we're highlighted in block capitals now...) who need to sort themselves out. The problem goes from bad to worse among groups of a certain persuasion in the known Melbourne hotspots who continually demonstrate no care or responsibility. Hard as it obviously is not to generalise, please do not define 6 million decent and completely unaffected Victorians by the ineptitude of the tiny few who refuse to comply, and even worse by a state govt totally incapable of managing the situation. Good luck up in Qld. Wish us luck in Vic, we are one people. Or are we...
Izabarack said
06:05 PM Jun 30, 2020
SouthernComfort wrote:
The problem goes from bad to worse among groups of a certain persuasion ..........
Apparently, the outbreak source has been guard staff in the quarantine hotels. It was announced and explained today. Poor training and poor practice has seen these staff infected by people who are in quarantine and then taking the virus home to family. Don't really understand how the guards can be called as belonging to groups of a certain persuasion.
The most telling comparison is the different strategy taken in Victoria to that of other states. Victoria is concentrating on suppression, other states, like Qld, WA, and SA have set out to eliminate. Suppression is about keeping numbers low, elimination is just that. Suppression is all about "giving up" and agreeing to live with it. Elimination is about beating the thing and then keeping it out. Victoria could do a good thing for the country and lock their border to keep them in.
Iza
SouthernComfort said
09:28 PM Jun 30, 2020
This is getting a bit tiresome.
We knew about the so-called guards fiasco nearly a week ago. Today's great 'announcement' was a no-news item. The fact the govt failed to hire professional guards in the first place is what needs to be understood.
Much of the problem started with the guards but responsibility for the spread goes beyond that. That's another key part obviously not being understood.
The Federal government said right from the start that the strategy was about suppressing the spread and flattening the curve. We knew there would be fresh waves, it's all about how we manage that. We can't close Australia every time an outbreak occurs. Expecting to eliminate the virus is unrealistic. Our entire economy will vaporize before we ever get to the stage of eliminating the virus and ScoMo has reiterated that all along, including today.
Had enough of the hysteria. Time to get out of the bunker and get on with it.
I bet most of them are not of this forum as they most likely be young people working in hospitality and tourism.
No one has mentioned their jobs.
I wonder all those hiding under the doona, wanting borders to stay closed going to support these young people?
I get it , this virus ain't pretty if you get it, but look at the facts, even in victoria you have little chance of catching it.
Keep safe out there..
mixo
p.s looks like NSW will get all my money when I go on leave this august.WA and QLD will miss out of at least 10K from my family and guess what we are corona FREE..
p.s.s I hear SA and NT will open borders in July, if this is true then they will get our family's business and I will support them and their tourist businesses.
These people just don't give a damn:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370
C'mon Gladys, shut the border, keep them out.
The tourism industry relies heavily on OVERSEAS tourists, just talk to most Aussies, on the whole they find these holiday Meccas far too expensive and generally far too crowded during normal times.
Even if our internal borders were open most of these businesses would still not survive without international visitors.
I also note that the derogatory comments and views relating to some state premiers being smart enough to keep their respective borders shut are, in the majority, coming from those from within problem states.
You may play this chinavirus down or you may talk it up but it is here in our country, it is real, and it is dangerous to the point of being deadly. The closure of the borders is only one measure that is being advised by responsible state health officials.
Look at the approval ratings the Premiers have in the states where their borders are closed. The figures are through the roof figuratively speaking.
I have a very dear friend in Victoria and she was wanting to come to Queensland partly for family reasons this year and she obviously cant get here as she had hoped.
During our conversation yesterday she told me it was reported in Victoria that from one family there has been 27 cases of social transmission over the last week or so. That is only one situation.
The fact is that the two most populated states unfortunately have the least responsible Premiers and health officials when it comes to the controlling of this disease, and this is the reason why the borders are closed.
It was simple in the earlier stages of just correctly isolating all pockets of infection, shutting or at least CORRECTLY monitoring everyone that had to come in and enforce self isolation and strictly monitor travel. Those states that elected not to do this has been to the detriment of everyone in Australia.
So dont blame the good Premiers, they have done the right thing.
Dont blame the residents of the virus free states, they are all pleased that their state Premiers have done the correct and moral thing for the welfare and health of the population.
The blame for this unfortunately is in the hands of the selfish and ill informed, wether they be politicians, public advisors or just the general public for the disobedience and lack of respect for others within their community and their state.
Regards
Angie
You don't need to go to any large holiday resort to place Spot the Aussie, Angie. Going to the local shopping centre is like taking a world trip.
Last year we had occasion to go to Airlie Beach to meet a cruise ship that my cousin was on.
She was disembarking for the day for shopping and such so we decided to meet with her for lunch.
It was very obvious that most people that were in the main street were international travellers and they were all shopping in the numerous souvenir shops, eating in the many cafes and bars. Even some off the ship were international travellers enjoying the voyage from Sydney to Cairns and return.
If anyone decides to go there now you will see a marked difference in numbers because it is really too expensive to do the tourist thing there even though travel is open and encouraged for Queenslanders.
I feel sorry for the businesses but it is the way it has to be for our health.
Regards
Angie
Nothing racist about observing people from different nationalities participating in shopping and general tourist adventures and then reporting these activities on a forum.
From my observation when in Airlie Beach it was obvious that the majority of them were from overseas by listening or at least overhearing their language, observing their dress and general appearance and by actually communicating with some of them while in a cafe and then with another group on the cruise ship who were waiting in line to re board along with my cousin.
If you dont see many Aussies in any group then it is a fact, it is not racist. No one on here made any mention of skin colour not that it matters as most first Australians have a darker skin.
I think posters who remark that the state borders should open are way out of line.
Tourism in the areas of the big resorts DO rely on international tourists.
Grey Nomads and families are a minority on the list of visitors to these resorts. We are all aware that all caravan parks in Qld are open to the traveller as long as they are travelling within Qld and these parks from my observations are doing well now travel has been lifted within the state. The parks in and about our area have been reasonably booked from the opening and will be busier again during the school holidays.
Many of the posts on this thread reflect a selfish attitude to other Aussies with their constant whinging about borders being closed when the majority of all Aussies know that this closure has been advised by health professionals to protect us all.
I wonder what part of the reports of the huge number of China virus cases in Victoria and NSW that are new cases on a daily basis have you neglected to read or note. This is caused by community transmission and has been eliminated up to this day in the states that have locked their borders. These arent my words, these statistics are freely available every day.
Click on dorians link above. It shows the care less attitude of at least some travellers. There is not much more that is needed to be said.
Regards
Angie
Now for the REAL facts on visitors. These are Australian Govt (Austrade) published stats for the Y/E Dec 2019 in the Top 3 ranking states:
-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Wednesday 24th of June 2020 01:38:47 PM
To continue:
1. NSW
2. Victoria
3. Queensland
NSW
Australian visitors - 39 million / spend: $23.7 billion
International visitors - 4.38 million / spend: $11.4 billion
Victoria
Australian visitors - 29.7 million / spend: $17 billion
International visitors - 3.13 million / spend: $8.8 billion
Queensland
Australian visitors - 25.9 million / spend: $19.4 billion
International visitors - 2.78 million / spend: $6.1 billion
Iza
I was interested in Angies comments about how popular the Qld and the other state premiers with the closed borders are and the unpopularity of the premiers of both NSW and Vic - I actually found a newspoll (24th June) published by the Australian -
Approval ratings
Annastacia Palaszczuk (QLD) - 55%
Steven Marshall (SA) - 68%
Gladys Berejiklian (NSW) - 69%
Daniel Andrews (Vic) - 75%
Peter Gutwein (Tas) - 84%
Mark McGowan - (WA) - 89%
Scott Morrison - 65%
Unfortunately the Qld premier may not be quite as popular as you thought Angie, although as a politician I probably wouldn't be complaining too much about an approval rating of 55%. The reason she is lagging behind the other premiers (according to the articles writer) is because of her governments handling of everything other than covid..
Cheers
BB
What a shock Tony listening to all the Queenslanders I thought that they were facing an invasion from the south these numbers show that NSW alone gets over 13 million more domestic visitors a year than what they do - wonder if any of them come from Qld. I really hope as they are being so careful about not letting southerners cross their border that they are also showing us the same respect by not crossing ours.
Cheers
BB
So here's something to think about. 104 lives lost from covid-19 in 6 months. Economy shot to pieces. In Australia in 2017 it's estimated that 1700+ folks died from passive smoking. (Google it). So should we lock down the country to save those folks? Or should we ban smoking? Or should we just lock down the smokers? Should we wear a mask so that we don't inhale the smoke from others?
My point is that covid-19, here in Australia, is wrecking the economy while we have other issues that are far more deadly yet nobody is waving their arms around calling it a crisis. Seems 104 deaths is far more terrible than 1700. Hmmm. Somethings wrong. Now lets talk about those dying from stress related illnesses .........................
To make your comparison valid some data from other countries should be included and the results should be based on number of deaths per head of population to compensate from different country's population numbers.
As Covid disease is the same world wide, its management is the significant factor for the above measure.
-- Edited by Wizardofoz on Thursday 25th of June 2020 02:01:12 PM
-- Edited by Wizardofoz on Thursday 25th of June 2020 02:02:12 PM
And even more deaths that we don't allow to wreck the economy:
National stats Australia:
2019 road toll - 1,182 deaths
2019 infuenza - 900 deaths (not including those who didn't present to hospital)
2018 suicide - 3,046 deaths (ABS data released Sept 2019)
The current reports from Victoria are frightening as the numbers increase with each day. There are new cases each day in NSW.
From what I have observed from news interviews and reports, the authorities particularly in Victoria, are in denial with regard to the way that this has been handled.
I will pray for you all.
Regards
Angie
Are our pollies playing politics with COVID numbers? It seems that NSW has "fixed" the high number of active cases by reclassifying them twice until they disappeared from the statistics.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/coronavirus-cases-data-reveals-how-covid-19-spreads-in-australia/12060704?nw=0
The surge [in Victoria] has reignited tension over state border closures, which reached a boiling point last month when Queensland Transport Minister Mark Bailey described NSW as the "worst performing state in Australia", with "33 times the number of active cases" as Queensland.
. . .
NSW Health's official tally of active coronavirus cases has tumbled from 330 to just six, following a series of changes to the definition of an "active case" by the state's health authority.
The most recent change, announced on June 25, means the figure no longer includes cases acquired overseas nor cases where symptoms first appeared more than four weeks earlier -- regardless of whether or not the patient has been assessed as "recovered". Active cases dropped from 98 to six as a result.
It is the second change in two weeks to the way current or active cases are counted. On June 11, NSW Health announced it would no longer count cases where recovery information was not available after six weeks. This caused the state's active case count to fall from about 330 to 71.
The above comments from ten days ago.
now from a CURRENT poll.
So right DMaxer. I went to my local mall yesterday. I definitely felt intimated. Definitely unfriendly. Met with hostile stares. Definitely felt like I shouldn't be there.
Maybe someone should tell Gladys. Shopping this morning just to the south of Brissy, noticeable that most are keeping their distance and lots of hand sanitiser being used. It's called Prosocial Behaviour and stories on the evening news show that "doing the right thing for everyone's sake" is a bit of an issue in other places in Aust. Anna's actions have us in a good position and I am happy to stay that way while those down south sort themselves out.
Iza
Apparently, the outbreak source has been guard staff in the quarantine hotels. It was announced and explained today. Poor training and poor practice has seen these staff infected by people who are in quarantine and then taking the virus home to family. Don't really understand how the guards can be called as belonging to groups of a certain persuasion.
The most telling comparison is the different strategy taken in Victoria to that of other states. Victoria is concentrating on suppression, other states, like Qld, WA, and SA have set out to eliminate. Suppression is about keeping numbers low, elimination is just that. Suppression is all about "giving up" and agreeing to live with it. Elimination is about beating the thing and then keeping it out. Victoria could do a good thing for the country and lock their border to keep them in.
Iza
We knew about the so-called guards fiasco nearly a week ago. Today's great 'announcement' was a no-news item. The fact the govt failed to hire professional guards in the first place is what needs to be understood.
Much of the problem started with the guards but responsibility for the spread goes beyond that. That's another key part obviously not being understood.
The Federal government said right from the start that the strategy was about suppressing the spread and flattening the curve. We knew there would be fresh waves, it's all about how we manage that. We can't close Australia every time an outbreak occurs. Expecting to eliminate the virus is unrealistic. Our entire economy will vaporize before we ever get to the stage of eliminating the virus and ScoMo has reiterated that all along, including today.
Had enough of the hysteria. Time to get out of the bunker and get on with it.