I find Linux Mint more user friendly than Ubuntu, and Linux more user friendly overall if you use the software in their repositories (libraries).
Thanks for the clarification. I haven't had the need to write an ISO image for a long time.
I use the Mate desktop myself. I much prefer the drop down menus.
Mike Harding said
08:18 AM Jun 29, 2021
Are We Lost wrote:
I think the biggest of these was to suggest Linux had less market share. In fact Linux is the more professional operating system preferred by corporates. Almost twice as many websites use Linux as Windows.
Over the past twenty years I have done in-house consulting work for perhaps 20 major companies in Australia - not one of these companies ran Linux on their desktop PCs.
I agree Linux is often used for applications such as servers which have little to no contact with non technical people but until it becomes as easy to use as Windows it will never develop a significant public user base.
dorian said
09:45 AM Jun 29, 2021
I don't understand why Linux isn't taught in schools. I can just imagine the billions of dollars that would be saved if we as a nation could wean ourselves off Windows (and Apple).
Santa said
10:23 AM Jun 29, 2021
dorian wrote:
I don't understand why Linux isn't taught in schools. I can just imagine the billions of dollars that would be saved if we as a nation could wean ourselves off Windows (and Apple).
Guess we could say exactly the same about healthy eating, imagine the health benefits and monetary saving if we could wean kids of junk food.
Ain't gonna happen.
dorian said
12:55 PM Jun 29, 2021
If laptops for schoolchildren came preconfigured with Linux, and if all applications were accessed via a GUI, then what's the problem? I've seen a 4-year-old kid take to a GUI without any help, so why should it matter whether it's a Linux GUI or a Windows GUI? After all, he's just a user, not a system administrator.
Whenarewethere said
01:15 PM Jun 29, 2021
Santa wrote:
Wanderlust wrote:
Microsoft is ensuring the mass purchase of new hardware, as very few systems currently in use will not have high enough specs. E.g TPM 2.0, UEFI, Secure boot, 64 bit, etc
Not really, MS will continue support for W10 until Oct 2025, no one is forcing you to go to W11.
Bear in mind many people are still happily using XP Vista and other early releases, I suspect many will continue to use W10 for years after MS discontinue support.
For those of us who must have the very latest, guess they will have to do whatever is necessary.
Can't see myself moving past 10 anytime in the near future.
XP does a perfect job for what I need on my PCs.
Still running OS10.6.8 on my Mac as it is the last version for some programs I have. Couldn't do the previous census as the OS was too old.
If I buy a new DSLR camera I will also need to buy a new computer & new software. Vicious circle!
Umpie1 said
04:19 PM Jun 29, 2021
Download the PC Health app for windows and when you run it you will find out if your PC/Laptop will run W11. If it won't you will still get W10 updates.
Santa said
05:20 PM Jun 29, 2021
Are We Lost wrote:
Thanks Buzz for pointing out the illogical comments made in favour of Microsoft.
Illogical! no one has made any illogical claims.
We all make choices throughout life, based on what we feel will be best suited to our needs, be it education, housing, cars, sporting teams, political parties or life partners, the list is endless.
Some may be better at it than others, no matter, once we have made a choice most of us are committed and will usually strongly defend the decision we have made.
Now and again some of us become fanatical about our choice to point of being obsessive, we all know just how irritating fanatics are.
Some of the most irritating fanatics are converts, whether they be lifestyle choices or religious, for some reason they feel compelled to engage in a crusade to convert the word to their newly discovered enlightenment, just human nature I guess.
I still run an old XP machine alongside my W10 desktop, use it for backing up, does a good job.
If I buy a new DSLR camera I will also need to buy a new computer & new software. Vicious circle!
Nikon DSLR's and software are still happy to interact with W10, I imagine Canon are the same.
Santa said
12:25 AM Jul 1, 2021
Umpie1 wrote:
Download the PC Health app for windows and when you run it you will find out if your PC/Laptop will run W11. If it won't you will still get W10 updates.
Seems MS released the PC health app while it was half baked, causing mass confusion so theyhave pulled it.
Yes, have installed Windows 11 on my laptop. Waiting for it to be offered for the 2 desktops
Craig1 said
07:48 PM Oct 29, 2021
That sounds like you are happy?
JeffRae said
07:56 PM Oct 29, 2021
Took about 2 hours to update, everything on the laptop still works, yep, all good so far.
Laptop is a relatively new.
-- Edited by JeffRae on Friday 29th of October 2021 07:57:08 PM
Craig1 said
10:11 AM Oct 30, 2021
Thanks
Dick0 said
10:50 AM Oct 30, 2021
Opinions here for and against upgrading your current Windows operating system to Version 11 would be similar to upgrading your tow vehicle.
Perhaps?
Buzz Lightbulb said
12:44 PM Oct 30, 2021
When I was forced to use WinDose at work, it seemed that there was an agreement/conspiracy between Micro$oft and the hardware providers, where one would have to update one's hardware to run the latest WinDoze upgrades. Has anyone still found that to be the case?
I've only had to upgrade my hardware using Linux/Ubuntu once when 32 bit architecture was no longer supported after 64 bit architecture became the norm.
-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Saturday 30th of October 2021 12:45:18 PM
Craig1 said
01:19 PM Oct 30, 2021
Ours is May 2020, so "dozey" says it will accept update, and has got a new notice that update is available. Given I reckon 10 was 3 steps backwards and annoying little things, can only hope 11 is better?
JeffRae said
01:43 PM Oct 30, 2021
You have 10 days to revert to Win 10 if you change your mind.
I made an image of Win 10 before upgrading
Are We Lost said
02:15 PM Oct 31, 2021
JeffRae wrote:
You have 10 days to revert to Win 10 if you change your mind. I made an image of Win 10 before upgrading
I think that is a great idea. I am now in the habit of creating a fresh image every so often.
A couple of years ago I updated my W7 laptop to W10. It gave some message about "Unable to continue" (don't recall the details). So I accepted the (only) option to revert to the original system. When that completed, there were a few problems. Many drivers would not work and deleting/resinstalling the hardware would not work. After multiple "try this" etc, there was no way I could get wifi to work so finished up taking it to my daughter's place so I could connect via ethernet cable.
With still no luck I had no choice but format the drive and start from scratch with a fresh install. I did so with W10 and that worked fine.
I loathe the user interface standard with W10, but with lots of tweaks I am mostly happy with it.
fwdoz said
08:57 AM Nov 1, 2021
We had only 2 laptops eligible for the Windows 11 upgrade. All others could not run it, which is fine.
Both the updated laptops are running perfectly with no issues whatsoever. The only changes we have noticed are all visual or aligned to the centre of the toolbar.
If anything, WiFi connection is 100% reliable v Windows 10 which had issues, so the new Drivers are a success.
StewG said
12:35 PM Nov 1, 2021
Windows 10 will be supported with updates until 2025. Windows 11 is introduced to give greater security against hackers/scammers - according to M$. This is why older hardware won't handle Win 11. I will continue to use Win 10 until 2025, and will then consider seriously changing to Linux. I am already using open source software such as Libre Office, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. I have no need to annually subscribe to M$ for their software, although I don't mind the occasional donation to open source providers.
PeterX said
11:41 AM Nov 3, 2021
RE ...." employees / IT /management etc all get their upgrades free under work place licience and agreements ..."
I can tell you large companies pay many several $100K to Micro$oft licencing
Thanks for the clarification. I haven't had the need to write an ISO image for a long time.
I use the Mate desktop myself. I much prefer the drop down menus.
Over the past twenty years I have done in-house consulting work for perhaps 20 major companies in Australia - not one of these companies ran Linux on their desktop PCs.
I agree Linux is often used for applications such as servers which have little to no contact with non technical people but until it becomes as easy to use as Windows it will never develop a significant public user base.
Guess we could say exactly the same about healthy eating, imagine the health benefits and monetary saving if we could wean kids of junk food.
Ain't gonna happen.
XP does a perfect job for what I need on my PCs.
Still running OS10.6.8 on my Mac as it is the last version for some programs I have. Couldn't do the previous census as the OS was too old.
If I buy a new DSLR camera I will also need to buy a new computer & new software. Vicious circle!
Illogical! no one has made any illogical claims.
We all make choices throughout life, based on what we feel will be best suited to our needs, be it education, housing, cars, sporting teams, political parties or life partners, the list is endless.
Some may be better at it than others, no matter, once we have made a choice most of us are committed and will usually strongly defend the decision we have made.
Now and again some of us become fanatical about our choice to point of being obsessive, we all know just how irritating fanatics are.
Some of the most irritating fanatics are converts, whether they be lifestyle choices or religious, for some reason they feel compelled to engage in a crusade to convert the word to their newly discovered enlightenment, just human nature I guess.
Nikon DSLR's and software are still happy to interact with W10, I imagine Canon are the same.
Seems MS released the PC health app while it was half baked, causing mass confusion so theyhave pulled it.
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/324212-microsoft-clarifies-windows-11-requirements-pulls-pc-health-check-app
Took about 2 hours to update, everything on the laptop still works, yep, all good so far.
Laptop is a relatively new.
-- Edited by JeffRae on Friday 29th of October 2021 07:57:08 PM
Opinions here for and against upgrading your current Windows operating system to Version 11 would be similar to upgrading your tow vehicle.
Perhaps?
When I was forced to use WinDose at work, it seemed that there was an agreement/conspiracy between Micro$oft and the hardware providers, where one would have to update one's hardware to run the latest WinDoze upgrades. Has anyone still found that to be the case?
I've only had to upgrade my hardware using Linux/Ubuntu once when 32 bit architecture was no longer supported after 64 bit architecture became the norm.
-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Saturday 30th of October 2021 12:45:18 PM
I made an image of Win 10 before upgrading
I think that is a great idea. I am now in the habit of creating a fresh image every so often.
A couple of years ago I updated my W7 laptop to W10. It gave some message about "Unable to continue" (don't recall the details). So I accepted the (only) option to revert to the original system. When that completed, there were a few problems. Many drivers would not work and deleting/resinstalling the hardware would not work. After multiple "try this" etc, there was no way I could get wifi to work so finished up taking it to my daughter's place so I could connect via ethernet cable.
With still no luck I had no choice but format the drive and start from scratch with a fresh install. I did so with W10 and that worked fine.
I loathe the user interface standard with W10, but with lots of tweaks I am mostly happy with it.
Both the updated laptops are running perfectly with no issues whatsoever. The only changes we have noticed are all visual or aligned to the centre of the toolbar.
If anything, WiFi connection is 100% reliable v Windows 10 which had issues, so the new Drivers are a success.
RE ...." employees / IT /management etc all get their upgrades free under work place licience and agreements ..."
I can tell you large companies pay many several $100K to Micro$oft licencing