Dont worry . Its mainly on roads with no metal .Or the metal has been pushed through tar ?
travellinglew said
06:10 AM Dec 20, 2019
This is nothing new. The roads in the small country town in WA where I grew up in the 50's and 60's would melt every summer. As Aus-Kiwi says, only where the metal or stone is missing or has been pushed through the tar.
Warren-Pat_01 said
11:46 AM Dec 20, 2019
Hi Tony,
I'd guess that anywhere the temp is expected to reach over 46 degrees would suffer similar conditions - particularly if those temps have been constant for a few days.
The BOM site & choosing the "7 Day Town Forecast" link would give you a fair indication as to where to drive or not to drive.
We're heading south tomorrow from Canberra to Lakes Entrance (Vic) so hopefully no more smoke, lower temps.
Take care, safe travelling & Merry Christmas
Warren
PS - it's cooler back home in Townsville!
sandsmere said
12:51 PM Dec 20, 2019
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Dont worry . Its mainly on roads with no metal .Or the metal has been pushed through tar ?
Yes. A regular thing in some places.
I've also seen railway tracks buckle a few times.
Knight said
01:08 PM Dec 20, 2019
Not to worry, situation normal for heatwave conditions, nothing at all to do with climate changing, just summer weather conditions again.
sandsmere said
01:11 PM Dec 20, 2019
Knight wrote:
Not to worry, situation normal for heatwave conditions, nothing at all to do with climate changing, just summer weather conditions again.
I've driven many roads in Alaska with frost heaves. Hot or cold the weather will always be a factor in road conditions. A few years back we 'rolled up' the top layer of the Newell highway just north of Forbes. We had to stop in Forbes to scrape the stuff off the three.
Nothing new. But watch how the media makes a huge story of it.
Tony Bev said
05:22 PM Dec 20, 2019
Thanks to everyone for contributing to the post
As I have only been in Australia for 54 years, I was actually unaware that it was a common occurrence, for roads to melt, in the heat
I was thinking along the line of We can go online to find the fuel/gas/dump point/caravan park/camp/etc, etc
I was wondering if we could find out about melting roads, before we got to that area
I shall be passing through the Ceduna/Wudinna area, around 16 January (where the melted roads were)
It appears that they only had 48 C in that area, so thanks to the advice of Warren (Warren-Pat 01), I shall keep my eye on the BOM forcast
I have been observing your posts for some time, and find them personally offensive. Most of us use the GN forum to gain knowledge not share our ignorance on subjects that have absolutely no relevance or place in GN.
Given GNs live and travel all over Australia year round, Australian annual mean temperatures are extremely relevant in this forum.
I have been observing your posts for some time, and find them personally offensive. Most of us use the GN forum to gain knowledge not share our ignorance on subjects that have absolutely no relevance or place in GN.
Given GNs live and travel all over Australia year round, Australian annual mean temperatures are extremely relevant in this forum.
Since about 2014 the BoM has been watched and audited by a team of qualified people who reported to the Minister responsible that BoM weather data does not match historic data records.
The audit has included the BoM automatic weather station locations with many in heat sinks reported. And that too often BoM records temperatures, readings constantly vary electronically, and change the reading for record purposes. And example could be 29.3 deg C is recorded as 23.9 deg C which over time produces a warming trend that is false.
The Australian newspaper reported on the independent auditor's discoveries a week ago, and have had earlier articles on their work.
The audit team includes Dr Jennifer Marohasy, one of several audit team members and contributors. She is a Marine Biologist from memory and an expert on the very healthy Great Barrier Reef, and recently wrote an article complete with photographs taken by her and colleagues at a place on the GBR claimed to have been ruined by the climate change fanatics. It is in fact in very healthy condition as the photography including a video reveal.
The auditors include Meteorologists.
You can find more information at the JoNova Science website and blog.
Knight said
01:47 PM Dec 21, 2019
A heat sink describes an area where heat is absorbed and radiated out from, like a bitumen road with a weather station behind a fence nearby, one in a yard where reflected heat from buildings and structures provides a distorted reading of temperature and, one of the oldest weather station sites The Sydney Observatory in The Rocks District, on a headland alongside the Harbour Bridge, Cahill Expressway, and nearby buildings.
No way could temperature records from the early days be accurately compared to modern recording.
Also, when Sydney Town was established after 1788 o=it was surrounded by bushland and grassland, today it is a concrete jungle of tall buildings and roadways, so the average temperature is higher than when the first colony was built.
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 21st of December 2019 01:50:25 PM
AusQld said
07:50 PM Dec 21, 2019
Knight...
None of the claims made by Marohasy have been published in a peer reviewed journal, despite the fact that since January she has found time to write repeatedly to government ministers, has spoken at the Sydney Institute and flown to a conference for climate sceptics in Las Vegas all the while making the same accusations.
Marohasy is a serial climate sceptic, and quoting her in this forum does nothing for your credibility.
AusQld said
08:13 PM Dec 21, 2019
Plain Truth, either stop trolling in this forum or educate your self on the reality of climate change.
Hey Plain Truth
Interesting that one member has posted data on Australian annual mean temperatures, and you have responded with data on hottest temperature reported.
Quite a bit of difference between a one off temperature and a mean.
Jaahn said
12:18 PM Dec 22, 2019
Hi
Like a lot on here I have been around for quite a few years, and the current temperatures are not as high here as I remember. I can recall the rail lines buckling close to where we lived on Christmas eve about 1980. Took a while to get a sober crew to cut the rails and reweld them, they were all at parties. I also remember getting the tires retreaded with tar sometimes in great heat.
In the 80s one year, we took the kids down to the river after early tea most nights as it was so hot that particular year. We installed a wood stove for the winter but did not use it the last year or two we were there. I installed some roof sprinklers back in the 90s, on our current house, over one summer to keep the house cooler, sadly gone now with a new roof fitted. We put shades on the windows. Planted trees in the yard to the north. But in general in the past the hot weather worked its way up the scale over some time and then 'broke' with a southerly change coming up the country. Then just normally hot for a while and then the cycle started again. But this seems to be changing and this current hot-cool, day to day quick cycle is not familiar to me. Might be my memory failing me.
I also do not remember the continuous fires. There have always been bush fires and sometimes bad. but this early and such continuous in not in my memory. Also I do not recall the smoke in the city like it is currently. In fact I cannot recall visible smoke here at Newcastle ever, from fires that are not close by. It has been continuous lately and bad for health. My grandkids have some asthma and are affected currently as are many others.
So my point is the climate in Australia is variable and can change from year to year. But if you want to moderate it you stay close to the coast in summer and winter as that makes it better in extremes. You go out the center in between when the temperatures are moderate. We do seem to think that these common sense options are not applicable to us these days.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Sunday 22nd of December 2019 12:32:13 PM
Below is a link to a newspaper article, about roads melting in the heat
I was wondering if anyone could point to a source, of how to find out what the the road conditions where, in regards to melting
It would probably help a lot of us, to avoid these roads, whenever possible
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-19/catastrophic-fire-conditions-forecast-in-sa-as-temperatures-soar/11815346
I'd guess that anywhere the temp is expected to reach over 46 degrees would suffer similar conditions - particularly if those temps have been constant for a few days.
The BOM site & choosing the "7 Day Town Forecast" link would give you a fair indication as to where to drive or not to drive.
We're heading south tomorrow from Canberra to Lakes Entrance (Vic) so hopefully no more smoke, lower temps.
Take care, safe travelling & Merry Christmas
Warren
PS - it's cooler back home in Townsville!
Yes. A regular thing in some places.
I've also seen railway tracks buckle a few times.
Not to worry, situation normal for heatwave conditions, nothing at all to do with climate changing, just summer weather conditions again.
Spot-on knight.
Could be hotter.
Thanks to everyone for contributing to the post
As I have only been in Australia for 54 years, I was actually unaware that it was a common occurrence, for roads to melt, in the heat
I was thinking along the line of
We can go online to find the fuel/gas/dump point/caravan park/camp/etc, etc
I was wondering if we could find out about melting roads, before we got to that area
I shall be passing through the Ceduna/Wudinna area, around 16 January (where the melted roads were)
It appears that they only had 48 C in that area, so thanks to the advice of Warren (Warren-Pat 01), I shall keep my eye on the BOM forcast
Below is the pic, from the link I put up
You get these once in century droughts.The last one was the Federation Drought-1891 to 1903
I have been observing your posts for some time, and find them personally offensive. Most of us use the GN forum to gain knowledge not share our ignorance on subjects that have absolutely no relevance or place in GN.
Given GNs live and travel all over Australia year round, Australian annual mean temperatures are extremely relevant in this forum.
To bad you don,t put all the chart up
The audit has included the BoM automatic weather station locations with many in heat sinks reported. And that too often BoM records temperatures, readings constantly vary electronically, and change the reading for record purposes. And example could be 29.3 deg C is recorded as 23.9 deg C which over time produces a warming trend that is false.
The Australian newspaper reported on the independent auditor's discoveries a week ago, and have had earlier articles on their work.
The audit team includes Dr Jennifer Marohasy, one of several audit team members and contributors. She is a Marine Biologist from memory and an expert on the very healthy Great Barrier Reef, and recently wrote an article complete with photographs taken by her and colleagues at a place on the GBR claimed to have been ruined by the climate change fanatics. It is in fact in very healthy condition as the photography including a video reveal.
The auditors include Meteorologists.
You can find more information at the JoNova Science website and blog.
A heat sink describes an area where heat is absorbed and radiated out from, like a bitumen road with a weather station behind a fence nearby, one in a yard where reflected heat from buildings and structures provides a distorted reading of temperature and, one of the oldest weather station sites The Sydney Observatory in The Rocks District, on a headland alongside the Harbour Bridge, Cahill Expressway, and nearby buildings.
No way could temperature records from the early days be accurately compared to modern recording.
Also, when Sydney Town was established after 1788 o=it was surrounded by bushland and grassland, today it is a concrete jungle of tall buildings and roadways, so the average temperature is higher than when the first colony was built.
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 21st of December 2019 01:50:25 PM
Knight...
None of the claims made by Marohasy have been published in a peer reviewed journal, despite the fact that since January she has found time to write repeatedly to government ministers, has spoken at the Sydney Institute and flown to a conference for climate sceptics in Las Vegas all the while making the same accusations.
Marohasy is a serial climate sceptic, and quoting her in this forum does nothing for your credibility.
Plain Truth, either stop trolling in this forum or educate your self on the reality of climate change.
Interesting that one member has posted data on Australian annual mean temperatures, and you have responded with data on hottest temperature reported.
Quite a bit of difference between a one off temperature and a mean.
Hi
Like a lot on here I have been around for quite a few years, and the current temperatures are not as high here as I remember. I can recall the rail lines buckling close to where we lived on Christmas eve about 1980. Took a while to get a sober crew to cut the rails and reweld them, they were all at parties. I also remember getting the tires retreaded with tar sometimes in great heat.
In the 80s one year, we took the kids down to the river after early tea most nights as it was so hot that particular year. We installed a wood stove for the winter but did not use it the last year or two we were there. I installed some roof sprinklers back in the 90s, on our current house, over one summer to keep the house cooler, sadly gone now with a new roof fitted. We put shades on the windows. Planted trees in the yard to the north. But in general in the past the hot weather worked its way up the scale over some time and then 'broke' with a southerly change coming up the country. Then just normally hot for a while and then the cycle started again. But this seems to be changing and this current hot-cool, day to day quick cycle is not familiar to me. Might be my memory failing me.
I also do not remember the continuous fires. There have always been bush fires and sometimes bad. but this early and such continuous in not in my memory. Also I do not recall the smoke in the city like it is currently. In fact I cannot recall visible smoke here at Newcastle ever, from fires that are not close by. It has been continuous lately and bad for health. My grandkids have some asthma and are affected currently as are many others.
So my point is the climate in Australia is variable and can change from year to year. But if you want to moderate it you stay close to the coast in summer and winter as that makes it better in extremes. You go out the center in between when the temperatures are moderate. We do seem to think that these common sense options are not applicable to us these days.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Sunday 22nd of December 2019 12:32:13 PM