Seen some "Pull overs" yes a good idea, but the driver needs to have warning before one is on top of them. The ones I saw, or used had proper signage, but will look out for the green discs now.
Tony Bev said
01:53 PM Jun 23, 2020
Thanks for that info, Nev, (Nevd)
I was also unaware of this, and think that it is a great idea
KFT said
02:34 PM Jun 23, 2020
I am pretty sure it is to indicate an informal rest area for heavy vehicles that must stop if run out of driving hours. The idea was started back in 2000 by Rod Hannifey of the Truckright" initiative and advocate for sharing the roads with heavy vehicles.
Frank
Tony Bev said
02:58 PM Jun 23, 2020
Opps
It looks like Frank (KFT) is correct, so thanks for that further info Frank
I am pretty sure it is to indicate an informal rest area for heavy vehicles that must stop if run out of driving hours. The idea was started back in 2000 by Rod Hannifey of the Truckright" initiative and advocate for sharing the roads with heavy vehicles.
Frank
Thanks Frank....Everything you say is absolutely correct,as these green dots give truck drivers advice that there is an informal truck stopping area ahead.The first post has 3 green dots,and is situated 500 metres from the informal truck stopping bay,the next post has 2 green dots,and is 250 metres from the informal truck stopping bay,while the post with one green dot is where the truck driver pulls over to rest.As someone who drove B-Doubles interstate for many years,I can say that the last thing that needs to be promoted on this site is the use of these bays by caravanners.Many times I had to drive illegally outside my hours because "rest areas" were occupied by inconsiderate (ignorant?) caravanners camping for the night,complete with awnings,deck chairs and the like.These informal truck stopping areas could possibly be used by caravanners to briefly pull over to allow traffic to overtake,but you can be sure that this soon would be then abused by Ma and Pa Kettle deciding to stop for a cuppa,and then being joined by others,and then someone else decides to camp for the night.All these actions defeat the purpose of the truck stopping area.Cheers.
Mike Harding said
10:10 AM Jun 24, 2020
You make a very fair point Yobarr.
However what all this discussion and the conversion of informal stops to semi-formal stops really highlights is the appalling state of and lack of roadside stops in this country.
France, just one example, has delightful stops, grass, good seating and tables, clean toilets, often free showers, childrens play areas etc. What do we have? A dust bowl right on the edge of the road with an unusable concrete table, piles of rubbish and, if you are very lucky, a disgusting toilet.
It's high time the motoring organisations put pressure on government(s) to improve matters - after all, when they extort the speed camera fines they tell us "It's all about safety" but I think that's true only when they are taking money rater than being required to give it.
Possum3 said
10:45 AM Jun 24, 2020
Mike Harding wrote:
It's high time the motoring organisations put pressure on government(s) to improve matters - after all, when they extort the speed camera fines they tell us "It's all about safety" but I think that's true only when they are taking money rater than being required to give it.
You are absolutely spot on with your observations Mike. The RACV, NRMA and such are more interested in being a travel agent, and promotion of their own Motels and Caravan Parks than providing assistance to their older members (some like me over 60 years paid membership). All the dump points are provided or subsidised by the CCMHC, I am aware that this is a self interest group but at least they are doing something for the traveller in general.
The almost criminal failure for Governments at all levels -to provide safe rest areas is disgraceful - If it wasn't for some "hard-stand" gravel pits in rural areas the average Traveller would not be able to stop and rest when fatigued, but these do not have toilet facilities or rubbish collection point - It is said we must stop and refresh every two hours although heavy vehicles (trucks, motorhome and caravans) cannot comply as there is no roadside facilities to do so.
-- Edited by Possum3 on Wednesday 24th of June 2020 10:47:04 AM
Nevd said
02:13 PM Jun 24, 2020
Hey everyone, I didn't post this as a stopping/rest area idea. If you are like me and have traffic behind the van, I'm always looking for safe place to let them through. If you are aware that one of these pullover points is coming up, you can be better prepared. I once had about 12 cars & trucks behind me who wouldn't pass @ 90kph. Turns out there was a Highway Patrol car in the queue. I pulled up at first opportunity with indicators on for sufficient time, but someone in the line must have gone to sleep, and there was almost a pileup. Of course, being the van at the head of the queue, I got the blame from the truckies for going too slow and nearly causing one of them to run up someone's bum. So I'm always on the lookout for somewhere safe. Of course, you wouldn't do it if there was a semi in there having a break.
laurieoz said
02:49 PM Jun 24, 2020
Possum3 wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
It's high time the motoring organisations put pressure on government(s) to improve matters - after all, when they extort the speed camera fines they tell us "It's all about safety" but I think that's true only when they are taking money rater than being required to give it.
You are absolutely spot on with your observations Mike. The RACV, NRMA and such are more interested in being a travel agent, and promotion of their own Motels and Caravan Parks than providing assistance to their older members (some like me over 60 years paid membership). All the dump points are provided or subsidised by the CCMHC, I am aware that this is a self interest group but at least they are doing something for the traveller in general.
The almost criminal failure for Governments at all levels -to provide safe rest areas is disgraceful - If it wasn't for some "hard-stand" gravel pits in rural areas the average Traveller would not be able to stop and rest when fatigued, but these do not have toilet facilities or rubbish collection point - It is said we must stop and refresh every two hours although heavy vehicles (trucks, motorhome and caravans) cannot comply as there is no roadside facilities to do so.
-- Edited by Possum3 on Wednesday 24th of June 2020 10:47:04 AM
What does CCMHC stand for?
dogbox said
04:34 PM Jun 24, 2020
KFT wrote:
I am pretty sure it is to indicate an informal rest area for heavy vehicles that must stop if run out of driving hours. The idea was started back in 2000 by Rod Hannifey of the Truckright" initiative and advocate for sharing the roads with heavy vehicles.
Frank
Rod Hannifey is the person who has campaigned for these informal stops to be identified by the dots not the nrma or any other organization that has been mentioned by others. he probably does more for safe roads in the eastern states than anyone else, it is his passion . i'm a big fan of his
Possum3 said
05:27 PM Jun 24, 2020
laurieoz wrote:
What does CCMHC stand for?
Sorry extra C added at front - Campervan & Motorhome Club Of Australia
First I've heard of this, so I thought I'd spread the word
https://www.facebook.com/truckfriendly.com.au/posts/550469972315654
Nev
I was also unaware of this, and think that it is a great idea
Frank
Opps
It looks like Frank (KFT) is correct, so thanks for that further info Frank
Link below from an official website
https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/business-industry/partners-suppliers/documents/guides-manuals/green-reflectors.pdf
Thanks Frank....Everything you say is absolutely correct,as these green dots give truck drivers advice that there is an informal truck stopping area ahead.The first post has 3 green dots,and is situated 500 metres from the informal truck stopping bay,the next post has 2 green dots,and is 250 metres from the informal truck stopping bay,while the post with one green dot is where the truck driver pulls over to rest.As someone who drove B-Doubles interstate for many years,I can say that the last thing that needs to be promoted on this site is the use of these bays by caravanners.Many times I had to drive illegally outside my hours because "rest areas" were occupied by inconsiderate (ignorant?) caravanners camping for the night,complete with awnings,deck chairs and the like.These informal truck stopping areas could possibly be used by caravanners to briefly pull over to allow traffic to overtake,but you can be sure that this soon would be then abused by Ma and Pa Kettle deciding to stop for a cuppa,and then being joined by others,and then someone else decides to camp for the night.All these actions defeat the purpose of the truck stopping area.Cheers.
You make a very fair point Yobarr.
However what all this discussion and the conversion of informal stops to semi-formal stops really highlights is the appalling state of and lack of roadside stops in this country.
France, just one example, has delightful stops, grass, good seating and tables, clean toilets, often free showers, childrens play areas etc. What do we have? A dust bowl right on the edge of the road with an unusable concrete table, piles of rubbish and, if you are very lucky, a disgusting toilet.
It's high time the motoring organisations put pressure on government(s) to improve matters - after all, when they extort the speed camera fines they tell us "It's all about safety" but I think that's true only when they are taking money rater than being required to give it.
You are absolutely spot on with your observations Mike. The RACV, NRMA and such are more interested in being a travel agent, and promotion of their own Motels and Caravan Parks than providing assistance to their older members (some like me over 60 years paid membership). All the dump points are provided or subsidised by the CCMHC, I am aware that this is a self interest group but at least they are doing something for the traveller in general.
The almost criminal failure for Governments at all levels -to provide safe rest areas is disgraceful - If it wasn't for some "hard-stand" gravel pits in rural areas the average Traveller would not be able to stop and rest when fatigued, but these do not have toilet facilities or rubbish collection point - It is said we must stop and refresh every two hours although heavy vehicles (trucks, motorhome and caravans) cannot comply as there is no roadside facilities to do so.
-- Edited by Possum3 on Wednesday 24th of June 2020 10:47:04 AM
Hey everyone, I didn't post this as a stopping/rest area idea. If you are like me and have traffic behind the van, I'm always looking for safe place to let them through. If you are aware that one of these pullover points is coming up, you can be better prepared. I once had about 12 cars & trucks behind me who wouldn't pass @ 90kph. Turns out there was a Highway Patrol car in the queue. I pulled up at first opportunity with indicators on for sufficient time, but someone in the line must have gone to sleep, and there was almost a pileup. Of course, being the van at the head of the queue, I got the blame from the truckies for going too slow and nearly causing one of them to run up someone's bum. So I'm always on the lookout for somewhere safe. Of course, you wouldn't do it if there was a semi in there having a break.
What does CCMHC stand for?
Rod Hannifey is the person who has campaigned for these informal stops to be identified by the dots not the nrma or any other organization that has been mentioned by others. he probably does more for safe roads in the eastern states than anyone else, it is his passion . i'm a big fan of his
Sorry extra C added at front - Campervan & Motorhome Club Of Australia