I have come across three of these roll overs in the last ten years or so. Just a few minutes that is after they happened. The owners still in the tug or just getting out. Luckily no injuries to occupants, but all very, very, shocked.
They were all on good highways. The last one we came across was 20 minutes South of Derby W.A. this time last year. Slight bend in the Hwy. and you could see by the tyre marks on the road where the van had started to fishtail and then Roll along with the Tug.
Be pretty devastating to the wallet as well I suppose
All three were large (for me that is) tandem axle rigs, that looked very new, along with a new looking big 4x4's.
Inexperience, bad luck, poor loading, lack of concentration. Who knows what the cause was In all cases I felt very sorry for the owners predicament.
-- Edited by elliemike on Friday 10th of July 2020 11:29:44 AM
Whenarewethere said
11:26 AM Jul 10, 2020
Two years ago we were doing about 95 & a caravan overtook us & had a continuous unhealthy sway. We backed right off to stay well out of the way.
Better to arrive late than dead on time!
Whenarewethere said
11:34 AM Jul 10, 2020
bentaxlebabe wrote:
For those who dont participate in FB.
Thanks, not on FB, Twitter or any of that type of stuff!
Magnarc said
12:36 PM Jul 10, 2020
Ditto Jonathan.
Mike Harding said
01:31 PM Jul 10, 2020
With just a car I'm a fast driver.
With a caravan on the back I'm a slow driver.
I suspect excess speed and poor weight distribution were significant causes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jk9H5AB4lM
elliemike said
02:52 PM Jul 10, 2020
Looks like they possibly carrying a Trike (electric maybe) on the back of the van as well. Extra overhang !
It is unusual generally but the police in attendance suggested the load in the van was not balanced correctly.
Regards
Angie
Radar said
03:02 PM Jul 10, 2020
I was thinking they try to avoid hitting the wayward trike.
Old and Grey said
03:25 PM Jul 10, 2020
Well The wine was packed good. Amazing what gets saved in a roll over.( See in Photo.)
Old
Whenarewethere said
03:31 PM Jul 10, 2020
I hope they could find some spare clean undies!
Stretch60 said
09:54 PM Jul 10, 2020
How would plod know how the van was loaded from a pile of debris.
bgt said
08:06 AM Jul 11, 2020
Don't worry about plod. What about the insurance company?
Wanda said
08:43 AM Jul 11, 2020
From the look of that mess, who would no what caused it that yet.
I suggest the polioce were just passing a geneneral comment, and yes, incorrectly loaded van could cause this to happen, along with other possible scenarios
Ian
Gundog said
09:05 AM Jul 11, 2020
My comment is not related to this accident but an observation whilst travelling between Proserpine and Mackay a couple of days ago. My partner roughly counted 100 Rv's travelling north on the Bruce Why, of them 75% were caravans of all sizes, I would suggest roughly 25% of the newer van were not setup properly, the common problem were neither the caravan and tow vehicle were not level, a few had the the front of the tow vehicle higher than the rear, a majority had the caravan in a nose down attitude, suggesting to me that the ball was mounted too low. Each of these conditions are accidents looking to somewhere to happen and the fault lies directly to the vehicle owners.
Long Weekend said
10:17 AM Jul 11, 2020
One water tank between the two axles - good.
Second water tank half way to the rear - not good.
Could that have contributed to the roll over?
Murray
Whenarewethere said
10:59 AM Jul 11, 2020
We don't tow so try to have all the heavy stuff in the centre of the car.
Second water tank half way to the rear - not good.
Could that have contributed to the roll over?
Murray
Think you will find that the rear tank is a grey water tank.
Looks to be a second water tank in front of axles.
Whenarewethere said
11:05 AM Jul 11, 2020
Long Weekend wrote:
One water tank between the two axles - good. Second water tank half way to the rear - not good. Could that have contributed to the roll over?
Murray
& there is a third tank towards the front.
KJB said
11:10 AM Jul 11, 2020
A "nose down" or "nose up" attitude does not necessarily mean that the van is balanced incorrectly. It is the distribution of mass that is critical and that cannot always be seen.
Whenarewethere said
11:29 AM Jul 11, 2020
Do this little experiment & see how much better it is to have the weight tightly packed over the axle rather than closer to the ends. The tail won't wag the dog!
Looking hard and there is one tank in front of the axle. Second tank, between axles.. Third tank with multiple pipes apears to be the grey water tank.. Then there is a tow bar (REESE HITCH) to connect a frame on, too carry the trike bike mounted after the tool box.. How do you get away with that ?
KJB said
04:55 PM Jul 11, 2020
Nothing illegal there to "get away with..."
Gundog said
11:28 AM Jul 12, 2020
I dissagre with you KJB, both point to poor setups nose down is either incorrect ball height on tug or too much ball weight, likewise nose high again could be incorrect ball height or insufficient ball weight. The object is to have you van level with the correct ball weight, then the coupling height can be measured, to enable the ball to be positioned matching the coupling height. I would suggest more than 60% of vans being towed today have never visited a weighbridge (ours is weighed twice a year). When you talk to people at happy hours, there are many who have had their vans and tug setup by dealers when taking delivery of their van, and have no idea of weights or setups. And the you get those who nit pickers who argue about an having an adjustable hitch because of its weight, as for a WDH we won't even go down that road.
GarrynLyn said
04:08 PM Jul 12, 2020
It would be good if the results of caravan incident investigations could be distributed to the wider caravan community in an effort to prevent further such accidents..
yobarr said
09:17 AM Jul 13, 2020
KJB wrote:
Nothing illegal there to "get away with..."
Hi Kerry...seems to me that the rear bumper has been added after manufacture,evidenced by the different sized and different coloured RHS extensions out to that bumper.Attached to that extended bumper there appears to be a toolbox of some description,and possibly (note "possibly") two bicycles,as suggested by Elliemike.More pictures would help,but to me it appears that the distance from the mid-point of the axle group to the rear of the vehicle and its load is greater than the distance from the mid-point of the axle group to the front of the vehicle's load carrying area?As well as being dangerous,this is illegal,and can lead to an insurance claim being rejected.Many people seem not to understand the effects of yaw (Google it!) but Jonathan's picture,with the sockets and the steel rulers,should help? Anybody who is even remotely concerned about van safety would do well to spend some time researching and understanding yaw,as,by doing so could,they may save themselves from a lot of financial,and possibly physical,pain.Cheers.
KJB said
10:35 AM Jul 13, 2020
I may make a comment from time to time but I am not interested in arguing about stuff without known facts .and then there is no room for argument. Comments on Forums are often taken out of context (and I often wonder why I actually Post a Comment...!) and lead to nowhere. Thanks for your follow up.
Rob just came across this on FB.
https://www.facebook.com/313319550984/posts/10158160663760985/
I hope there were no serious injuries.
Regards
Angie
I have come across three of these roll overs in the last ten years or so. Just a few minutes that is after they happened. The owners still in the tug or just getting out. Luckily no injuries to occupants, but all very, very, shocked.
They were all on good highways. The last one we came across was 20 minutes South of Derby W.A. this time last year. Slight bend in the Hwy. and you could see by the tyre marks on the road where the van had started to fishtail and then Roll along with the Tug.
Be pretty devastating to the wallet as well I suppose
All three were large (for me that is) tandem axle rigs, that looked very new, along with a new looking big 4x4's.
Inexperience, bad luck, poor loading, lack of concentration. Who knows what the cause was In all cases I felt very sorry for the owners predicament.
-- Edited by elliemike on Friday 10th of July 2020 11:29:44 AM
Two years ago we were doing about 95 & a caravan overtook us & had a continuous unhealthy sway. We backed right off to stay well out of the way.
Better to arrive late than dead on time!
Thanks, not on FB, Twitter or any of that type of stuff!
Ditto Jonathan.
With just a car I'm a fast driver.
With a caravan on the back I'm a slow driver.
I suspect excess speed and poor weight distribution were significant causes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jk9H5AB4lM
Looks like they possibly carrying a Trike (electric maybe) on the back of the van as well. Extra overhang !
.
Regards
Angie
I was thinking they try to avoid hitting the wayward trike.
Well The wine was packed good. Amazing what gets saved in a roll over.( See in Photo.)
Old
I hope they could find some spare clean undies!
I suggest the polioce were just passing a geneneral comment, and yes, incorrectly loaded van could cause this to happen, along with other possible scenarios
Ian
Second water tank half way to the rear - not good.
Could that have contributed to the roll over?
Murray
We don't tow so try to have all the heavy stuff in the centre of the car.
Think you will find that the rear tank is a grey water tank.
Looks to be a second water tank in front of axles.
& there is a third tank towards the front.
A "nose down" or "nose up" attitude does not necessarily mean that the van is balanced incorrectly. It is the distribution of mass that is critical and that cannot always be seen.
Do this little experiment & see how much better it is to have the weight tightly packed over the axle rather than closer to the ends. The tail won't wag the dog!
Nothing illegal there to "get away with..."
Hi Kerry...seems to me that the rear bumper has been added after manufacture,evidenced by the different sized and different coloured RHS extensions out to that bumper.Attached to that extended bumper there appears to be a toolbox of some description,and possibly (note "possibly") two bicycles,as suggested by Elliemike.More pictures would help,but to me it appears that the distance from the mid-point of the axle group to the rear of the vehicle and its load is greater than the distance from the mid-point of the axle group to the front of the vehicle's load carrying area?As well as being dangerous,this is illegal,and can lead to an insurance claim being rejected.Many people seem not to understand the effects of yaw (Google it!) but Jonathan's picture,with the sockets and the steel rulers,should help? Anybody who is even remotely concerned about van safety would do well to spend some time researching and understanding yaw,as,by doing so could,they may save themselves from a lot of financial,and possibly physical,pain.Cheers.
I may make a comment from time to time but I am not interested in arguing about stuff without known facts .and then there is no room for argument. Comments on Forums are often taken out of context (and I often wonder why I actually Post a Comment...!) and lead to nowhere. Thanks for your follow up.