Open up google,type in 200 cases and see what comes up'
Open up google again and type in a new number and see what you get.
Possum3 said
04:40 PM Aug 9, 2020
Different search parameters will result in a different result simples.
the rocket said
04:40 PM Aug 9, 2020
I dont get it. What are you trying to say
Aus-Kiwi said
04:53 PM Aug 9, 2020
Maybe suit cases ? Lol
Tony Bev said
05:02 PM Aug 9, 2020
Hi Plain Truth
I believe that Abraham Lincoln (a former President of the USA), had said, that everything you read on the net is true, or words to that effect
Good to see at least one person, double checking everything, but it look like what Possum has already said, is what has happened
Pic below after googling 200 cases, on Google Australia browser
There appears to be different stories, on different days, by different websites
oldbloke said
10:26 PM Aug 9, 2020
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Maybe suit cases ? Lol
Your a funny bugger.
I don't get it. What's this thread about?
SouthernComfort said
08:55 AM Aug 10, 2020
Boredom.
Craig1 said
10:00 AM Aug 10, 2020
I reckon Google manipulates and hides many many things, and changes things to suit someone
Magnarc said
10:23 AM Aug 10, 2020
Conspiracy theories abound.
Putting pressure on the ATO to get them to pay their share of taxes would be much more productive methinks?
-- Edited by Magnarc on Monday 10th of August 2020 10:26:57 AM
Warren-Pat_01 said
03:33 PM Aug 10, 2020
And how honest is Google? I don't trust any of these big guys with anything personal!
The only way it affects us is not being able to travel south for family reasons (well we can but it costs an arm & a leg to come home).
Tony & Bev, you live in a big state too - just go out & enjoy it while you can & socially distance yourself from those with other state's number plates. We saw some foreigners at Herberton during the past two days - some Melbournites & some NSWelshmen.
If something nasty blows in again, we'll all be up the creek!
SouthernComfort said
08:28 AM Aug 11, 2020
Melburnians is the term Warren. Anyhow, whether Melburnians, Victorians, Sydneysiders or NSWelshmen/women - now we're foreigners? But wait there's more - foreigners with something nasty? Sorry mate, expected better of you!
Rob Driver said
09:34 AM Aug 11, 2020
SouthernComfort wrote:
Melburnians is the term Warren. Anyhow, whether Melburnians, Victorians, Sydneysiders or NSWelshmen/women - now we're foreigners? But wait there's more - foreigners with something nasty? Sorry mate, expected better of you!
The amount of Victorians that are in Qld with caravans and RVs and are boasting of how they got across the border contrary to the rules that were set in place is, to be honest, quite frightening.
I can see why you may be angry and upset SC, but the simple fact is that at this stage the chinavirus is out of control in Victoria and when we are all fed the morning statistics from NSW, it appears that NSW is only a few steps behind them.
We all hope and pray that the respective states get this under control and we also hope and pray that the people that have lied and cheated to get across the border just so they can enjoy their annual jaunt to the sunshine state are not carriers of this virus.
The arguments put up in other topics is becoming more mute with each day. Victoria have had 38 deaths from the virus in 48 hours.
The advice is JUST STAY HOME. Maintain social distancing, obey isolation requirements and wear a mask.
The actions of some are killing others and these others arent aliens these people are fellow human beings.
I dont think anyone should blame Warren for his comment.
To quote Warren.
If something blows in again, we will be all up the creek.........
To the OP,
Google results appear to be heavily swayed toward the advertising revenue that they receive. It also appears that unless searches are accurately defined they tend at times to favour United States with the results. With the sample of Tonys search 4 out of six results were for news services and newspaper content which are probably paid supporters of Google. Unfortunately the result need not necessarily represent the facts.
Regards
Angie
-- Edited by bentaxlebabe on Tuesday 11th of August 2020 09:36:32 AM
-- Edited by bentaxlebabe on Tuesday 11th of August 2020 09:38:16 AM
SouthernComfort said
10:05 AM Aug 11, 2020
Thanks for the patronising lecture Bentaxlebabe. Do you seriously not think we ALL know what the situation is, and what the statistics are without you reiterating it chapter and verse? Some of us are closer to the worst of those stats than you'd ever want to be, trust me. We would appreciate people just having some modicum of sensibility, the people of Vic and NSW are not in a good place and we don't need prodding through bars with sticks. It's all in the terminology.
Aus-Kiwi said
11:26 AM Aug 11, 2020
oldbloke wrote:
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Maybe suit cases ? Lol
Your a funny bugger.
I don't get it. What's this thread about?
As the police would say . Were wrapping this case up !!
The Belmont Bear said
12:20 PM Aug 11, 2020
If Vic and NSW are foreigners Warren then I guess you will no longer be asking for GST donations from foreign governments to prop up your budget. I really hope Qld or any of the less populous states don't find themselves "up the creek" as I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Whose fault is it that these unwanted aliens got in - it's your own government who specified what was required to cross the border ? Simple if people front up and can't provide the proper evidence to back up their claim or don't meet the criteria then don't let them in. You guys seem to brush over the fact that the positive carriers who have been caught lying and cheating lately have been your own returning residents.
We are not people who like to follow the sun and judging by the number of other vans on the road are not alone, actually I'm more put out by not being able to visit the wine regions in other states (or to go abroad to work) but thats Ok we can happily stay inside NSW for however long it takes to get on top of this thing.
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Tuesday 11th of August 2020 12:22:59 PM
Rob Driver said
01:02 PM Aug 11, 2020
Patronising appears to come from all sides.
I am amazed but not surprised that in some topics it is the trend to quote,
Dont blame the government, dont blame the premier, etc etc,
Then all of a sudden when it suits it is if states get cases of the chinavirus then the government has not controlled the borders properly.
In the old language it was having 2 bob each way.
Above a member is being belittled because he said he did not want something nasty to blow in. Well there are probably a million Qlders that dont want the virus and could quote several different ways of saying what they mean.
My patronising post above is quoting fact...nothing else, similar to Warrens post of, We will be all up the creek if something nasty gets in.
Queensland is not the only state stopping Victorians and those from NSW from entering. There are others on this forum stating very similar views to mine.
I may be critiqued by some on my views but I have had the same views since this disaster started and while I feel for those that have contracted the virus and for those that holidays have been disrupted at least I have not tried to have 2 bob each way.
SC, your comments on this topic have not been patronising, they have been condescending and at times rude.
Why make a comment of BOREDOM. ( Your first contribution)
Really if you dont like the topic or cant offer a productive input then why dont you just scroll on by rather than make comment designed to antagonise or at the minimum, belittle the OP.
Regards
Angie
Santa said
01:18 PM Aug 11, 2020
bentaxlebabe wrote:
Really if you dont like the topic or cant offer a productive input then why dont you just scroll on by rather than make comment designed to antagonise or at the minimum, belittle the OP.
Regards
Angie
You seem to be doing a pretty good job of fanning the flames Angie.
TheHeaths said
01:29 PM Aug 11, 2020
An observation if I may not just about this forum, but also about other places, the media, and our politicians.
After a period of working together, when we were all in a similar boat re infections and the viral progression, we saw a period of bilateral understanding and effort. Once the viral threat appeared to lessen, we started to see a breakdown of bilateral working, and a push to move back to normal. At that time, some of the more obvious commentary about lack of opening and allowing trade came from NSW and Victoria, trying to force others to follow them.
Then the poo hit the air circulator in Victoria, a day or so after Mr Andrews had a dig along the lines of who would want to go to SA, and so the sniping started.
If any of you think the reactions would have been different if it had been SA or WA, or NT becoming the hot spots, and Victoria & NSW wouldnt have closed their borders, I am afraid you live in Wally World. Human nature being what it is, especially nowadays, self interest comes first, last and everywhere in between. Very disappointing, but true from what I have seen during this time.
So it would be nice if we could just try and remember we are Australian first, and be a bit understanding of everyones fears and worries at this time. Beeven better if the governments could get some form of coordinated response going again.
Rob Driver said
01:48 PM Aug 11, 2020
Santa wrote:
bentaxlebabe wrote:
Really if you dont like the topic or cant offer a productive input then why dont you just scroll on by rather than make comment designed to antagonise or at the minimum, belittle the OP.
Regards
Angie
You seem to be doing a pretty good job of fanning the flames Angie.
Thank you Santa,
It may be due to BOREDOM.
Regards
Angie
SouthernComfort said
03:46 PM Aug 11, 2020
TheHeaths wrote:
....So it would be nice if we could just try and remember we are Australian first, and be a bit understanding of everyones fears and worries at this time. Beeven better if the governments could get some form of coordinated response going again.
Indeed, wouldn't it be wonderful.
Some genuinely back the notion that "we're all in it together" while others are only self interested.
As would have been obvious, my initial response was to Warren re. his reference to Vic/NSW folk as 'foreigners'. I've been around here long enough to sense Warren didn't really mean that offensively, but words are powerful, especially at a time when everyone is, shall we say, fragile.
As for the unfortunate comments directed at me on that topic from other quarters, words fail me (sigh of relief I hear!).
Live long and prosper, wherever you live, even if you are bored!
Craig1 said
05:22 PM Aug 11, 2020
Mr Daniel Andrews has just taken " Full Responsibility " for the faux pas in Victoria., but will not say what his own punishment should be, Ace radio news 5pm today,
The Belmont Bear said
09:11 PM Aug 11, 2020
I have been reading the news reports over the last couple of days about how NZ are celebrating 100 days without recording any community transmissions. Unfortunately they have just found 4 positive cases in Auckland with no known source. The city has been put back onto level 3 restrictions And the country onto level 2. Their borders have been closed to everyone from the very start and all overseas arrivals have been isolated and closely monitored. It will be interesting to see if they can track down the source of this spike and how far it has spread hopefully for their sake it is just a few cases that they have caught early....
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Tuesday 11th of August 2020 09:12:08 PM
SouthernComfort said
09:32 PM Aug 11, 2020
Craig1 wrote:
Mr Daniel Andrews has just taken " Full Responsibility " for the faux pas in Victoria., but will not say what his own punishment should be, Ace radio news 5pm today,
Watch this space. He's not called Teflon Dan for nothing.
Rob Driver said
08:40 AM Aug 12, 2020
SouthernComfort wrote:
Watch this space. He's not called Teflon Dan for nothing.
Well it appears that it is ok for comments on the alleged failings of the Victorian Premier and how the state has handled the process of management so far, as long as it is not me that is saying it.
This is contrary to how it was quoted above
Quoted >.............
Some genuinely back the notion that "we're all in it together" while others are only self interested.
< Quoted...........
So is this self interest or are we all in this his together?
Quoted>..........
we don't need prodding through bars with sticks
<Quoted........
Then we could go back through previous posts on similar topics on this forum where it was stated by some, that border closures were selfish unfair and not acceptable.
Now I may ask, is it OK to provide this link which highlights how badly Premier Dan has handled the protection of his constituents or should this info be only be permitted to be put up by someone other than me?
My participation on this or any public forum has the same rites as anyone else, including my thoughts and observations.
I learnt from a very early age that as a female I was not going to be a shrinking violet.
I was raised in a home with brothers who were quite aggressive with their opinions when there were disagreements and I had to learn to hold my own, verbally.
Then being employed in a workplace where I was dealing with truck drivers and sub contractors for most of my working life, taught me that wishy washy didnt work and stating the facts as they are was the only true defence. This policy remains with me today but some of you may have noticed that already.
Maybe the advice in your signature should be heeded by all....
Focus on the Facts.
Regards
Angie
If something nasty blows in again, we'll all be up the creek!
Mike Harding said
11:29 AM Aug 12, 2020
Plain Truth wrote:
Is Google manipulating cases.
I very much doubt it.
The software behind Google is brilliant! It attempts to understand what you are searching for rather, necessarily, than what you have typed and can sometimes be too clever for its own good - it is just a machine.
There is a place in NW Vic called Wemen and it gave me much childish joy to type into Google Maps "directions Melbourne to Wemen" - it use to reply and ask "Do you mean Melbourne to women?" to which I replied "Ah, yeah, if you like....". Sadly, it has since learned not to do that :(
Google does collect an *awful* lot of personal data (you will be surprised how much) so if you object to that you can use DuckDuckGo:
https://duckduckgo.com/
Which is not as good as Google but it's pretty good. Tweak its settings to tell it you're in Oz for local results.
DDG does not collect any personal info.
SouthernComfort said
12:11 PM Aug 12, 2020
I agree Mike, I started using DDG some time ago and it's a good search tool. I read early on (can't find the reference now) that they use Google search results, others have said they use Yahoo but DDG makes no claim to either.
Another option for using the expanse of Google results without data collection is the Startpage.com search engine. They do use Google but pay them to remove all trackers and logs.
msg said
01:16 PM Aug 12, 2020
Something that occurred to me today. If this virus is so infectious, how come those rallies did not result in numerous cases?
Possum3 said
01:56 PM Aug 12, 2020
msg wrote:
Something that occurred to me today. If this virus is so infectious, how come those rallies did not result in numerous cases?
There is no proof that they didn't. There could still be many undiagnosed out there with minor cold symptoms.
SouthernComfort said
02:04 PM Aug 12, 2020
The several cases which have proved untraceable to a source of origin could also be connected the protest groups, no one can say for sure.
Whenarewethere said
03:39 PM Aug 12, 2020
msg wrote:
Something that occurred to me today. If this virus is so infectious, how come those rallies did not result in numerous cases?
We were at the main Sydney rally. We clearly noticed that as people arrived they simply added numbers to the back. Within the mass of people, & we were in the thick of it, nobody moved around, everyone was "dynabolted" to their spot. We were always surrounded by the same group for the entire time.
Even though there were 10,000+ people you never had different people around you. People were not mixing with other people.
This is the exact opposite situation with nursing home staff who are working throughout the whole ward, building & work at different sites. Often working one job at a nursing home & another part time job at a bar & another job as a cleaner elsewhere, to make ends meet.
A nursing home, large hardware store, high school of large hotel will have magnitudes more people intermingling than a large protest.
Is Google manipulating cases.
Open up google,type in 200 cases and see what comes up'
Open up google again and type in a new number and see what you get.
I dont get it. What are you trying to say
Hi Plain Truth
I believe that Abraham Lincoln (a former President of the USA), had said, that everything you read on the net is true, or words to that effect
Good to see at least one person, double checking everything, but it look like what Possum has already said, is what has happened
Pic below after googling 200 cases, on Google Australia browser
There appears to be different stories, on different days, by different websites
Your a funny bugger.
I don't get it. What's this thread about?
Conspiracy theories abound.
Putting pressure on the ATO to get them to pay their share of taxes would be much more productive methinks?
-- Edited by Magnarc on Monday 10th of August 2020 10:26:57 AM
The only way it affects us is not being able to travel south for family reasons (well we can but it costs an arm & a leg to come home).
Tony & Bev, you live in a big state too - just go out & enjoy it while you can & socially distance yourself from those with other state's number plates. We saw some foreigners at Herberton during the past two days - some Melbournites & some NSWelshmen.
If something nasty blows in again, we'll all be up the creek!
The amount of Victorians that are in Qld with caravans and RVs and are boasting of how they got across the border contrary to the rules that were set in place is, to be honest, quite frightening.
I can see why you may be angry and upset SC, but the simple fact is that at this stage the chinavirus is out of control in Victoria and when we are all fed the morning statistics from NSW, it appears that NSW is only a few steps behind them.
We all hope and pray that the respective states get this under control and we also hope and pray that the people that have lied and cheated to get across the border just so they can enjoy their annual jaunt to the sunshine state are not carriers of this virus.
The arguments put up in other topics is becoming more mute with each day. Victoria have had 38 deaths from the virus in 48 hours.
The advice is JUST STAY HOME. Maintain social distancing, obey isolation requirements and wear a mask.
The actions of some are killing others and these others arent aliens these people are fellow human beings.
I dont think anyone should blame Warren for his comment.
To quote Warren.
If something blows in again, we will be all up the creek.........
To the OP,
Google results appear to be heavily swayed toward the advertising revenue that they receive. It also appears that unless searches are accurately defined they tend at times to favour United States with the results. With the sample of Tonys search 4 out of six results were for news services and newspaper content which are probably paid supporters of Google. Unfortunately the result need not necessarily represent the facts.
Regards
Angie
-- Edited by bentaxlebabe on Tuesday 11th of August 2020 09:36:32 AM
-- Edited by bentaxlebabe on Tuesday 11th of August 2020 09:38:16 AM
As the police would say . Were wrapping this case up !!
If Vic and NSW are foreigners Warren then I guess you will no longer be asking for GST donations from foreign governments to prop up your budget. I really hope Qld or any of the less populous states don't find themselves "up the creek" as I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Whose fault is it that these unwanted aliens got in - it's your own government who specified what was required to cross the border ? Simple if people front up and can't provide the proper evidence to back up their claim or don't meet the criteria then don't let them in. You guys seem to brush over the fact that the positive carriers who have been caught lying and cheating lately have been your own returning residents.
We are not people who like to follow the sun and judging by the number of other vans on the road are not alone, actually I'm more put out by not being able to visit the wine regions in other states (or to go abroad to work) but thats Ok we can happily stay inside NSW for however long it takes to get on top of this thing.
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Tuesday 11th of August 2020 12:22:59 PM
I am amazed but not surprised that in some topics it is the trend to quote,
Dont blame the government, dont blame the premier, etc etc,
Then all of a sudden when it suits it is if states get cases of the chinavirus then the government has not controlled the borders properly.
In the old language it was having 2 bob each way.
Above a member is being belittled because he said he did not want something nasty to blow in. Well there are probably a million Qlders that dont want the virus and could quote several different ways of saying what they mean.
My patronising post above is quoting fact...nothing else, similar to Warrens post of, We will be all up the creek if something nasty gets in.
Queensland is not the only state stopping Victorians and those from NSW from entering. There are others on this forum stating very similar views to mine.
I may be critiqued by some on my views but I have had the same views since this disaster started and while I feel for those that have contracted the virus and for those that holidays have been disrupted at least I have not tried to have 2 bob each way.
SC, your comments on this topic have not been patronising, they have been condescending and at times rude.
Why make a comment of BOREDOM. ( Your first contribution)
Really if you dont like the topic or cant offer a productive input then why dont you just scroll on by rather than make comment designed to antagonise or at the minimum, belittle the OP.
Regards
Angie
You seem to be doing a pretty good job of fanning the flames Angie.
After a period of working together, when we were all in a similar boat re infections and the viral progression, we saw a period of bilateral understanding and effort. Once the viral threat appeared to lessen, we started to see a breakdown of bilateral working, and a push to move back to normal. At that time, some of the more obvious commentary about lack of opening and allowing trade came from NSW and Victoria, trying to force others to follow them.
Then the poo hit the air circulator in Victoria, a day or so after Mr Andrews had a dig along the lines of who would want to go to SA, and so the sniping started.
If any of you think the reactions would have been different if it had been SA or WA, or NT becoming the hot spots, and Victoria & NSW wouldnt have closed their borders, I am afraid you live in Wally World. Human nature being what it is, especially nowadays, self interest comes first, last and everywhere in between. Very disappointing, but true from what I have seen during this time.
So it would be nice if we could just try and remember we are Australian first, and be a bit understanding of everyones fears and worries at this time. Beeven better if the governments could get some form of coordinated response going again.
Thank you Santa,
It may be due to BOREDOM.
Regards
Angie
Indeed, wouldn't it be wonderful.
Some genuinely back the notion that "we're all in it together" while others are only self interested.
As would have been obvious, my initial response was to Warren re. his reference to Vic/NSW folk as 'foreigners'. I've been around here long enough to sense Warren didn't really mean that offensively, but words are powerful, especially at a time when everyone is, shall we say, fragile.
As for the unfortunate comments directed at me on that topic from other quarters, words fail me (sigh of relief I hear!).
Live long and prosper, wherever you live, even if you are bored!
I have been reading the news reports over the last couple of days about how NZ are celebrating 100 days without recording any community transmissions. Unfortunately they have just found 4 positive cases in Auckland with no known source. The city has been put back onto level 3 restrictions And the country onto level 2. Their borders have been closed to everyone from the very start and all overseas arrivals have been isolated and closely monitored. It will be interesting to see if they can track down the source of this spike and how far it has spread hopefully for their sake it is just a few cases that they have caught early....
BB
-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Tuesday 11th of August 2020 09:12:08 PM
Watch this space. He's not called Teflon Dan for nothing.
Well it appears that it is ok for comments on the alleged failings of the Victorian Premier and how the state has handled the process of management so far, as long as it is not me that is saying it.
This is contrary to how it was quoted above
Quoted >.............
Some genuinely back the notion that "we're all in it together" while others are only self interested.
< Quoted...........
So is this self interest or are we all in this his together?
Quoted>..........
we don't need prodding through bars with sticks
<Quoted........
Then we could go back through previous posts on similar topics on this forum where it was stated by some, that border closures were selfish unfair and not acceptable.
Now I may ask, is it OK to provide this link which highlights how badly Premier Dan has handled the protection of his constituents or should this info be only be permitted to be put up by someone other than me?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/coronavirus-committee-premier-daniel-andrews-hotel-quarantine/12545146
My participation on this or any public forum has the same rites as anyone else, including my thoughts and observations.
I learnt from a very early age that as a female I was not going to be a shrinking violet.
I was raised in a home with brothers who were quite aggressive with their opinions when there were disagreements and I had to learn to hold my own, verbally.
Then being employed in a workplace where I was dealing with truck drivers and sub contractors for most of my working life, taught me that wishy washy didnt work and stating the facts as they are was the only true defence. This policy remains with me today but some of you may have noticed that already.
Maybe the advice in your signature should be heeded by all....
Focus on the Facts.
Regards
Angie
If something nasty blows in again, we'll all be up the creek!
I very much doubt it.
The software behind Google is brilliant! It attempts to understand what you are searching for rather, necessarily, than what you have typed and can sometimes be too clever for its own good - it is just a machine.
There is a place in NW Vic called Wemen and it gave me much childish joy to type into Google Maps "directions Melbourne to Wemen" - it use to reply and ask "Do you mean Melbourne to women?" to which I replied "Ah, yeah, if you like....". Sadly, it has since learned not to do that :(
Google does collect an *awful* lot of personal data (you will be surprised how much) so if you object to that you can use DuckDuckGo:
https://duckduckgo.com/
Which is not as good as Google but it's pretty good. Tweak its settings to tell it you're in Oz for local results.
DDG does not collect any personal info.
Another option for using the expanse of Google results without data collection is the Startpage.com search engine. They do use Google but pay them to remove all trackers and logs.
There is no proof that they didn't. There could still be many undiagnosed out there with minor cold symptoms.
We were at the main Sydney rally. We clearly noticed that as people arrived they simply added numbers to the back. Within the mass of people, & we were in the thick of it, nobody moved around, everyone was "dynabolted" to their spot. We were always surrounded by the same group for the entire time.
Even though there were 10,000+ people you never had different people around you. People were not mixing with other people.
This is the exact opposite situation with nursing home staff who are working throughout the whole ward, building & work at different sites. Often working one job at a nursing home & another part time job at a bar & another job as a cleaner elsewhere, to make ends meet.
A nursing home, large hardware store, high school of large hotel will have magnitudes more people intermingling than a large protest.