For those on this forum, and those reading this from other forums, when you put forward a question requesting information, please read what you are about to post, and ask yourself, can a responder give you an adequate answer based on the information you have provided.
Put yourself in their shoes and read your question. Most of the requests lack basic information and detail, if you want them to go to the trouble of providing an answer based on their qualifications and experience, you must provide the whole story, and all the relevant details.
I write this, as I along with many of you, read this forum and others, but I just can't be bothered responding to posts, that seem to expect us the responder, to have a magic wand, and provide the answer. I have been bitten and now cautious with who and what I respond to. If you want an adequate answer, first provide all the adequate information.
Radar said
09:35 PM Nov 14, 2020
How true and honest.
Whenarewethere said
10:05 PM Nov 14, 2020
It is surprising what useful information is in a vehicle's owner's manual.
A vehicle's workshop manual provides a lot of information.
Warren-Pat_01 said
10:54 PM Nov 14, 2020
100% in agreement Ian, Whenarewethere,
I note that Cindy wiped one of my recent replies because I was cheesed off with someone who couldn't go out of his way to do a little follow up research? I had already mentioned where he needed to look.
Mike Harding said
06:15 AM Nov 15, 2020
I was chided recently for say the same thing in a response.
What all concerned - users and owner - need to keep in mind is that there are only a small number of people who regularly post to this forum and without them it would be a very dull forum indeed.
Umpie1 said
06:37 AM Nov 15, 2020
Unfortunately these days there are people out there who expect others to do the searching for them rather than they do the searching. I can understand if someone has tried to find the info they require but can't, so they then ask in forums,. Fair enough.
Jaahn said
10:36 AM Nov 15, 2020
Hi Actually I believe that a lot of people do not understand what a forum is about at all. I go on forums to read about and have a chat about things that interest me.I l listen to what others say and reply if i want to. Like a group conversation. If people want to ask a question then I answer if it is something I think I know about.
But some people just think the forums are there to answer their specific question, so they just butt in with a half assed question, do not reply and then get huffy because some get long winded or off the point or just a bit cranky. It is just a rude way to regard the forum IMHO. Just as rude as walking up to a group at the happy hour or at the pub and just starting off with a question about their problems. What would they expect to happen.
Soo be a bit sensible, have a look around the forum, post a couple of replies where it suits you, see what are peoples interests. Then if you want an answer to something, decide where to post it first, then frame the question well as said here, and read the answers and reply with more information if asked, Then sit back and let the vast accumulated knowledge of these old hands enlighten you and the forum. But above all enjoy it.
Jaahn
Radar said
12:37 PM Nov 15, 2020
iana wrote:
For those on this forum, and those reading this from other forums, when you put forward a question requesting information, please read what you are about to post, and ask yourself, can a responder give you an adequate answer based on the information you have provided.
Put yourself in their shoes and read your question. Most of the requests lack basic information and detail, if you want them to go to the trouble of providing an answer based on their qualifications and experience, you must provide the whole story, and all the relevant details.
I write this, as I along with many of you, read this forum and others, but I just can't be bothered responding to posts, that seem to expect us the responder, to have a magic wand, and provide the answer. I have been bitten and now cautious with who and what I respond to. If you want an adequate answer, first provide all the adequate information.
To add to this, it would be good if people used the right section, eg asking "would do you think of this or that" in the section Show us Your Rig. This is only example.
12 to 18 months ago the forum was pretty neat, not no longer all over the shop.
Tony LEE said
06:49 AM Nov 16, 2020
And then there are those who pose a problem, get good advice, but are to lazy to come back to advise the outcome or say thanks.
yobarr said
09:32 AM Nov 16, 2020
Tony LEE wrote:
And then there are those who pose a problem, get good advice, but are to lazy to come back to advise the outcome or say thanks.
Absolutely agree with these thoughts! Perhaps the reason for posters not acknowledging input is that confusion is created when the factual advice given by those members who know what they're talking about is challenged,or contradicted,by those who only think they know the answer. Everybody is entitled to have an opinion,and to express it,but with some things,weights for example,there is no room for opinion.With weights,you are either right or you are wrong.Back to the original post by Ian,where he asks that more information be provided by those seeking advice,I agree wholeheartedly. Posts along the lines of "What is the best caravan for my car" are unlikely to receive much of a response.And if you don't know about something,it often is best to listen and learn.Cheers
iana said
10:10 AM Nov 16, 2020
Its not only that, sometimes a question can be answered in different ways, and both answers being correct, just that little bit of extra detail can sort out which of the answers becomes correct. For instance I answered a question being "How come water is coming back out the mains connection on the filler manifold". Now of course the "fit a non return valve" brigade spoke up, and this answer will fix the problem, but it is just circumnavigating the real problem (in my opinion). So I said, take the pressure limiting valve off and open it up, fix the non return valve within the unit, the 350 KPA valve has a built in NRV. The thread went on, on and the owner took the van to the caravan dealer, who fitted a NRV in the system, and all was fixed.
But what the person who asked the question failed to say was the pressure limiting valve had been changed to the 500 KPA valve, which does not have a built in NRV. So omitting that one piece of vital info, brought bad feelings all round, especially for me.
hufnpuf said
11:00 AM Nov 16, 2020
yobarr wrote:
but with some things,weights for example,there is no room for opinion.With weights,you are either right or you are wrong.
Except where you have an unqualified person insisting that their opinions about weights have something to do with an unrelated matter of law, to the extent of abusing and ridiculing the person who actually knows what they are talking about. Sometimes people don't understand the question about which they are completely ignorant and try to bring it within what they think is their area of expertise so that they can "teach" or tell others that they are wrong and talking nonsense.
Being lectured about "not understanding" when the person lecturing not only hasn't understood but hasn't even tuned in to what is at issue to know what they don't understand can be a problem on online forums. There's a lot of ego in demonstrating what you think you know and wanting to show that others are wrong and that you are right. You can demonstrate what you know and post information without ridicule and abuse, which can be very off-putting to members of a forum, especially new ones.
In relation to people not coming back, I couldn't find a setting to auto-subscribe to threads posted in. If there isn't a setting and people haven't individually subscribed to threads, they might not realise that there have been responses.
JeffRae said
12:34 PM Nov 16, 2020
hufnpuf wrote:
In relation to people not coming back, I couldn't find a setting to auto-subscribe to threads posted in. If there isn't a setting and people haven't individually subscribed to threads, they might not realise that there have been responses.
Hello hufnpuf,
You have to click in "Quick Reply", you then get a button fro "Advanced Editor", there is a tick box to select to be notified of replies
I don't think it works very well
JeffRae
yobarr said
01:44 PM Nov 16, 2020
JeffRae wrote:
hufnpuf wrote:
In relation to people not coming back, I couldn't find a setting to auto-subscribe to threads posted in. If there isn't a setting and people haven't individually subscribed to threads, they might not realise that there have been responses.
Hello hufnpuf,
You have to click in "Quick Reply", you then get a button fro "Advanced Editor", there is a tick box to select to be notified of replies
I don't think it works very well
JeffRae
Just tick in the box below that asks "Email me......" Works for me! Cheers
For those on this forum, and those reading this from other forums, when you put forward a question requesting information, please read what you are about to post, and ask yourself, can a responder give you an adequate answer based on the information you have provided.
Put yourself in their shoes and read your question. Most of the requests lack basic information and detail, if you want them to go to the trouble of providing an answer based on their qualifications and experience, you must provide the whole story, and all the relevant details.
I write this, as I along with many of you, read this forum and others, but I just can't be bothered responding to posts, that seem to expect us the responder, to have a magic wand, and provide the answer. I have been bitten and now cautious with who and what I respond to. If you want an adequate answer, first provide all the adequate information.
I will introduce ourselves before I ask. We are The Broomys & very new to caravanning, we would love to travel for about 2 months, visiting family & friends first before we head from Wagga down to Cann River & over to the south coast. As we have not travelled this way before we are unsure what the road terain is like from Wagga to Cann River & over to say Mallacoota. We would rather avoid road conditions that are too steep, just hoping someone can give us some advise. Our plan is to travel up the south coast.
Craig1 said
05:53 PM Feb 2, 2022
G'day Lorraine, can you have some practice around Wagga Wagga Wagga, there are a few steep little hills not too far out, just get a bit of confidence so that the suggested route will seem like an almost doddle.
For those on this forum, and those reading this from other forums, when you put forward a question requesting information, please read what you are about to post, and ask yourself, can a responder give you an adequate answer based on the information you have provided.
Put yourself in their shoes and read your question. Most of the requests lack basic information and detail, if you want them to go to the trouble of providing an answer based on their qualifications and experience, you must provide the whole story, and all the relevant details.
I write this, as I along with many of you, read this forum and others, but I just can't be bothered responding to posts, that seem to expect us the responder, to have a magic wand, and provide the answer. I have been bitten and now cautious with who and what I respond to. If you want an adequate answer, first provide all the adequate information.
How true and honest.
It is surprising what useful information is in a vehicle's owner's manual.
A vehicle's workshop manual provides a lot of information.
I note that Cindy wiped one of my recent replies because I was cheesed off with someone who couldn't go out of his way to do a little follow up research? I had already mentioned where he needed to look.
I was chided recently for say the same thing in a response.
What all concerned - users and owner - need to keep in mind is that there are only a small number of people who regularly post to this forum and without them it would be a very dull forum indeed.
Hi
Actually I believe that a lot of people do not understand what a forum is about at all. I go on forums to read about and have a chat about things that interest me.I l listen to what others say and reply if i want to. Like a group conversation. If people want to ask a question then I answer if it is something I think I know about. 
But some people just think the forums are there to answer their specific question, so they just butt in with a half assed question, do not reply and then get huffy because some get long winded or off the point or just a bit cranky. It is just a rude way to regard the forum IMHO. Just as rude as walking up to a group at the happy hour or at the pub and just starting off with a question about their problems. What would they expect to happen.
Soo be a bit sensible, have a look around the forum, post a couple of replies where it suits you, see what are peoples interests. Then if you want an answer to something, decide where to post it first, then frame the question well as said here, and read the answers and reply with more information if asked, Then sit back and let the vast accumulated knowledge of these old hands enlighten you and the forum.
But above all enjoy it.
Jaahn
To add to this, it would be good if people used the right section, eg asking "would do you think of this or that" in the section Show us Your Rig. This is only example.
12 to 18 months ago the forum was pretty neat, not no longer all over the shop.
Absolutely agree with these thoughts! Perhaps the reason for posters not acknowledging input is that confusion is created when the factual advice given by those members who know what they're talking about is challenged,or contradicted,by those who only think they know the answer. Everybody is entitled to have an opinion,and to express it,but with some things,weights for example,there is no room for opinion.With weights,you are either right or you are wrong.Back to the original post by Ian,where he asks that more information be provided by those seeking advice,I agree wholeheartedly. Posts along the lines of "What is the best caravan for my car" are unlikely to receive much of a response.And if you don't know about something,it often is best to listen and learn.Cheers
But what the person who asked the question failed to say was the pressure limiting valve had been changed to the 500 KPA valve, which does not have a built in NRV. So omitting that one piece of vital info, brought bad feelings all round, especially for me.
Except where you have an unqualified person insisting that their opinions about weights have something to do with an unrelated matter of law, to the extent of abusing and ridiculing the person who actually knows what they are talking about. Sometimes people don't understand the question about which they are completely ignorant and try to bring it within what they think is their area of expertise so that they can "teach" or tell others that they are wrong and talking nonsense.
Being lectured about "not understanding" when the person lecturing not only hasn't understood but hasn't even tuned in to what is at issue to know what they don't understand can be a problem on online forums. There's a lot of ego in demonstrating what you think you know and wanting to show that others are wrong and that you are right. You can demonstrate what you know and post information without ridicule and abuse, which can be very off-putting to members of a forum, especially new ones.
In relation to people not coming back, I couldn't find a setting to auto-subscribe to threads posted in. If there isn't a setting and people haven't individually subscribed to threads, they might not realise that there have been responses.
Hello hufnpuf,
You have to click in "Quick Reply", you then get a button fro "Advanced Editor", there is a tick box to select to be notified of replies
I don't think it works very well
JeffRae
Just tick in the box below that asks "Email me......" Works for me! Cheers
I will introduce ourselves before I ask. We are The Broomys & very new to caravanning, we would love to travel for about 2 months, visiting family & friends first before we head from Wagga down to Cann River & over to the south coast. As we have not travelled this way before we are unsure what the road terain is like from Wagga to Cann River & over to say Mallacoota. We would rather avoid road conditions that are too steep, just hoping someone can give us some advise. Our plan is to travel up the south coast.