Hi, After some advice
We are looking at a 2nd hand van in NSW, it is 4 years old.
There is no Tare stamped on the compliance plate.
Is this required in NSW , if not , is the Tare noted on the rego papers. Just curious as to why there wouldn't be one , so one can work out payload.
If any one has experienced this , and had to re register in Qld , did you have issues with the Qld RTA..Many thanks Steve
Rob Driver said
10:31 AM Mar 17, 2021
If tare is required for calculating payload then the only sure way to get it is to have the selling dealer weigh the van and provide a tare weight PRIOR to you purchasing it.
Many dealers are reluctant to do this because it can provide true facts to a prospective buyer and indicate that the true payload figure can be so low as not to permit a sensible load of personal effects that may be loaded in the van.
Weighing it prior to purchase may just save you a heartache when loading it legally for travel.
For rego purposes there is probably a tare weight on the rego papers but believe this figure at your own peril.
This tare weight figure would have been provided by the manufacturer at first registration but will not include the weight of any accessory added during or after first delivery.
Good luck with it
Regards
Rob
yobarr said
11:56 AM Mar 17, 2021
slawrence436 wrote:
Hi, After some advice We are looking at a 2nd hand van in NSW, it is 4 years old. There is no Tare stamped on the compliance plate. Is this required in NSW , if not , is the Tare noted on the rego papers. Just curious as to why there wouldn't be one , so one can work out payload. If any one has experienced this , and had to re register in Qld , did you have issues with the Qld RTA..Many thanks Steve
Hi Steve...In NSW weighbridge tickets are required for all caravans on their first NSW registration,so should be on rego papers.However,other than giving you a bit of an idea,it means nothing.The caravan's tare isprovided by the manufacturer, with ALL weight that is later added becoming part of the van's load.This may include things like gas bottles,water,batteries,solar panels,etc etc. The only way that you can now determine your van's remaing carrying capacity is to weigh it as it now stands...BUT please note that this figure is NOT the tare. When weighing the van,it may be wise to separately get the weight on its wheels (GTM) and compare that with the axle group capacity,which also should be on the compliance plate. You then should get the towball weight (weight on jockey wheel(+/-) ),making sure that towball is the same height above the ground as it is when hooked up to car. It is then easy to subtract the total weight of the van from its legal ATM to determine what carrying capacity you have left.If you could supply us with ATM and axle group capacity,we may be able to offer advice,as it often is easy to increase your legal ATM if needed.It seems that you intend to register the van in Queensland? If so,and you need help with your weights or compliance,or ATM increase,feel free to PM me.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 17th of March 2021 12:20:43 PM
Clarky 1 said
02:23 PM Mar 17, 2021
Gday slawrence436,
Rob bentaxle provides sound advice.
Any caravan should be weighed PRIOR to purchase as it is the extra accessories that will eat into your payload.
The technicality of the manufacturers tare can not and should not be ever relied on to determine or predict payload weight of a caravan.
Once you buy the van the problem will become yours... if it is a private sale then go with the owner to a weighbridge to weigh it to confirm its tare when compared to the ATM for the purpose of calculating payload weight.
If from a dealer, that dealer should be happy to provide a weighnote of the vans tare as it is offered for sale and if not then look for a dealer that will provide a weigh note.
The attraction of the extra accessories and equipment on the proposed van may mean that there will be limited payload left for your personal items, food, utensils and refreshments.
I would be extremely wary of any offer of assistance with weights, compliance or ATM increase by means of private contact or correspondence.
At best this offer is bold and at worst it can be very dangerous. The first question that needs to be asked is to see the qualifications of anyone offering such advice in a private environment. No qualifications would be a Red Flag to me.
A short version of my comments and recommendation is, dont buy any van, new or used, without knowing its tare weight with accessories but before loading it for travel.
yobarr said
04:10 PM Mar 17, 2021
Clarky 1 wrote:
Gday slawrence436,
Rob bentaxle provides sound advice. Any caravan should be weighed PRIOR to purchase as it is the extra accessories that will eat into your payload. The technicality of the manufacturers tare can not and should not be ever relied on to determine or predict payload weight of a caravan.
Once you buy the van the problem will become yours... if it is a private sale then go with the owner to a weighbridge to weigh it to confirm its tare when compared to the ATM for the purpose of calculating payload weight. If from a dealer, that dealer should be happy to provide a weighnote of the vans tare as it is offered for sale and if not then look for a dealer that will provide a weigh note. The attraction of the extra accessories and equipment on the proposed van may mean that there will be limited payload left for your personal items, food, utensils and refreshments.
I would be extremely wary of any offer of assistance with weights, compliance or ATM increase by means of private contact or correspondence. At best this offer is bold and at worst it can be very dangerous. The first question that needs to be asked is to see the qualifications of anyone offering such advice in a private environment. No qualifications would be a Red Flag to me.
A short version of my comments and recommendation is, dont buy any van, new or used, without knowing its tare weight with accessories but before loading it for travel.
Thankyou for this valuable contribution to the discussion,but there is little within your post that I have not covered.Like the member to whom you refer,you seem not to understand that tare is provided by the manufacturer,and everything added after that is part of the load,with an associated reduction in carrying capacity.No matter how much some may throw in red herrings,duck and weave,and waffle-on,this is not negotiable. As for your warning about PMs for assistance with weights and compliance,I have successfully provided such help to several forum members this way because doing so avoids input from at least one member who knows little,understands less,and seemingly has little interest in learning,but does seem to enjoy "rocking the boat". And you can rest assured that not only are my contacts fully qualified in their respective fields,but they also have many years experience.Most of my contacts are in the Brisbane area,but always I try to be of assistance.Your snide comments do little to help.Have a GREAT day.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 17th of March 2021 04:13:47 PM
montie said
04:42 PM Mar 17, 2021
slawrence436 wrote:
Hi, After some advice We are looking at a 2nd hand van in NSW, it is 4 years old. There is no Tare stamped on the compliance plate. Is this required in NSW , if not , is the Tare noted on the rego papers. Just curious as to why there wouldn't be one , so one can work out payload. If any one has experienced this , and had to re register in Qld , did you have issues with the Qld RTA..Many thanks Steve
There is no legal requirement for a manufacturer to stamp the empty measured tare on the compliance plate, however the majority of builders do to allow prospective purchasers to calculate gross payload.
With a used van the plated tare means nothing and should be disregarded and the van put over the weighbridge to ascertain it's current weight and to determine usable payload.
oldbloke said
10:21 PM Mar 17, 2021
Well done Montie. U answered the question. OP will appreciate that.
yobarr said
12:46 PM Mar 18, 2021
)oldbloke wrote:
Well done Montie. U answered the question. OP will appreciate that.
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 18th of March 2021 12:53:29 PM
Many dealers are reluctant to do this because it can provide true facts to a prospective buyer and indicate that the true payload figure can be so low as not to permit a sensible load of personal effects that may be loaded in the van.
Weighing it prior to purchase may just save you a heartache when loading it legally for travel.
For rego purposes there is probably a tare weight on the rego papers but believe this figure at your own peril.
This tare weight figure would have been provided by the manufacturer at first registration but will not include the weight of any accessory added during or after first delivery.
Good luck with it
Regards
Rob
Hi Steve...In NSW weighbridge tickets are required for all caravans on their first NSW registration,so should be on rego papers.However,other than giving you a bit of an idea,it means nothing.The caravan's tare is provided by the manufacturer, with ALL weight that is later added becoming part of the van's load.This may include things like gas bottles,water,batteries,solar panels,etc etc. The only way that you can now determine your van's remaing carrying capacity is to weigh it as it now stands...BUT please note that this figure is NOT the tare. When weighing the van,it may be wise to separately get the weight on its wheels (GTM) and compare that with the axle group capacity,which also should be on the compliance plate. You then should get the towball weight (weight on jockey wheel(+/-) ),making sure that towball is the same height above the ground as it is when hooked up to car. It is then easy to subtract the total weight of the van from its legal ATM to determine what carrying capacity you have left.If you could supply us with ATM and axle group capacity,we may be able to offer advice,as it often is easy to increase your legal ATM if needed.It seems that you intend to register the van in Queensland? If so,and you need help with your weights or compliance,or ATM increase,feel free to PM me.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 17th of March 2021 12:20:43 PM
Rob bentaxle provides sound advice.
Any caravan should be weighed PRIOR to purchase as it is the extra accessories that will eat into your payload.
The technicality of the manufacturers tare can not and should not be ever relied on to determine or predict payload weight of a caravan.
Once you buy the van the problem will become yours... if it is a private sale then go with the owner to a weighbridge to weigh it to confirm its tare when compared to the ATM for the purpose of calculating payload weight.
If from a dealer, that dealer should be happy to provide a weighnote of the vans tare as it is offered for sale and if not then look for a dealer that will provide a weigh note.
The attraction of the extra accessories and equipment on the proposed van may mean that there will be limited payload left for your personal items, food, utensils and refreshments.
I would be extremely wary of any offer of assistance with weights, compliance or ATM increase by means of private contact or correspondence.
At best this offer is bold and at worst it can be very dangerous. The first question that needs to be asked is to see the qualifications of anyone offering such advice in a private environment. No qualifications would be a Red Flag to me.
A short version of my comments and recommendation is, dont buy any van, new or used, without knowing its tare weight with accessories but before loading it for travel.
Thankyou for this valuable contribution to the discussion,but there is little within your post that I have not covered.Like the member to whom you refer,you seem not to understand that tare is provided by the manufacturer,and everything added after that is part of the load,with an associated reduction in carrying capacity.No matter how much some may throw in red herrings,duck and weave,and waffle-on,this is not negotiable. As for your warning about PMs for assistance with weights and compliance,I have successfully provided such help to several forum members this way because doing so avoids input from at least one member who knows little,understands less,and seemingly has little interest in learning,but does seem to enjoy "rocking the boat". And you can rest assured that not only are my contacts fully qualified in their respective fields,but they also have many years experience.Most of my contacts are in the Brisbane area,but always I try to be of assistance.Your snide comments do little to help.Have a GREAT day.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 17th of March 2021 04:13:47 PM
There is no legal requirement for a manufacturer to stamp the empty measured tare on the compliance plate, however the majority of builders do to allow prospective purchasers to calculate gross payload.
With a used van the plated tare means nothing and should be disregarded and the van put over the weighbridge to ascertain it's current weight and to determine usable payload.
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 18th of March 2021 12:53:29 PM