There was a second story about the school principle standing firm and not paying the £5,000 extortion but for some reason it wouldn't load on my computer when I went back.
I have come across stories about these 'travellers' in the past. It seems that they have a centuries old right to set up camp wherever they please - village commons, sports grounds, farms and even schools. How they get on with water, not to say toilet disposal has never been mentioned. As stated in the story, the police were powerless to move them on.
Local councils live in fear when they hear of these 'travellers' heading their way.
(Apparently 'travellers' are a modern name for gypsies and such.)
And to think that councils around Australia believe they have it tough when a few 'grey nomads' camp near their towns?
Murray
Edit: Changed the word 'rough' to 'tough.'
-- Edited by Long Weekend on Saturday 28th of August 2021 03:26:07 PM
Mike Harding said
04:33 PM Aug 28, 2021
Gypsies in the UK are a waste of space.
To my knowledge they do not have *any* special rights in regard to camping but they are somewhat of a law unto themselves.
As best I remember a court order is required to remove them from (certain?) lands upon which they camp and it is the time taken to obtain such an order (and appeals) which allows them to illegally camp for a considerable time. Then they move five miles and the process begins again. I do not believe they have any right whatsoever to camp on private land.
I recall, many years past, driving a truck on a long straight road in East Anglia one day when all the traffic was stopped in both directions by some gypsies in order that they may stage a horse and buggy race between two competitors. No doubt much *cash* was depending upon the result; gypsies do not pay tax.
dogbox said
04:41 PM Aug 28, 2021
"TRAVELLERS" in the UK refers to what use to be referred to as "GYPSIES" some of which use to be the back bone of the labour used to harvest crops and other seasonal work, usually cash in-hand. a lot of that work is now been done by eastern europeans and asians. the carnivals that travel around the country being operated by them .
Mike Harding said
04:53 PM Aug 28, 2021
dogbox wrote:
"GYPSIES" some of which use to be the back bone of the labour used to harvest crops and other seasonal work
Not in my lifetime they were not.
Brodie Allen said
06:50 PM Aug 28, 2021
Mike Harding wrote:
dogbox wrote:
"GYPSIES" some of which use to be the back bone of the labour used to harvest crops and other seasonal work
"GYPSIES" some of which use to be the back bone of the labour used to harvest crops and other seasonal work
Not in my lifetime they were not.
i have work alongside them when i lived /worked in the west country (UK) for some of the biggest produce merchants in the country . the "them and us" sediment is very strong and all work was for cash in hand therefor no tax ,and if you valued anything you didn't leave it laying around . one friend of mine had the boys tarmac his driveway, beautiful job but it was less than 10 mm thick didn't last long, an that lot was long gone by the time he realized.
Magnarc said
09:34 AM Aug 29, 2021
When I was a youngster we lived in the Fenland County of Cambridgeshire and I remember the gypsy women in their colourful clothes, would come around selling pegs for the washing line. Woe betide the person who did not buy any, they would put a "curse" on you and yours.
In Cambridgeshire they were known as Didecoys. I recall that they had beautifully decorated horse drawn caravans and camped on the same ground everytime they came into the area. You never left anything of value around when they were in town!
I think they were largely tolerated as they would camp for a few days then move on.
dogbox said
10:10 AM Aug 29, 2021
didecoys are the ones of mixed blood
Mike Harding said
10:33 AM Aug 29, 2021
Do you recall that some parents would tell their children that if they were naughty "The gypsies will take you away"?
I sometimes think it's amazing that most children make it to adulthood without a basket full of psychosis....
so are the free campers here gypsies .........or what eh
dogbox said
07:29 PM Aug 29, 2021
tea spoon wrote:
so are the free campers here gypsies .........or what eh
no! I don't think being referred as "gypsy" is quite as romantic as it may seem
Possum3 said
08:37 AM Aug 30, 2021
As a child I remember when the Australian Gypsies Families used to prey on unsuspecting travellers in rural areas. For some inexplicable reason the families used straight eight Packards - they would "park" in remote section of road, lift the bonnet and have one of their teenage girls or young woman flag down passing motorists. When some traveller would stop to render aid, the "Family" would emerge from the bushes and theive just bout anything of value. Robbery complete they would purloin the victims car, leaving the good Samaritan to walk to next town, where his vehicle would be left intact. Reason being this afforded the time for the Highwaymen to disappear.
The tactic of choice was always the hand bag left on side of road, whilst young men would hide in bushes. When a motorist stopped the same scenario ensued, robbery, car theft with car left in next town.
Australia in the 40's. Back then they were often called Rommanys.
Peter_n_Margaret said
09:16 AM Aug 30, 2021
We toured the UK by motorhome a couple of years back.
England was difficult to free camp in. Caravan parks were typically very expensive and many were owned by caravan "clubs". The English tended to travel in their caravan from home to a park, stay there for the duration and then drive home again. Those who went to Continental Europe were different and would tour, but mostly touring was in motorhomes, not caravans.
Scotland on the other hand was easy and friendly.
A Scot once told us that "You can walk across any farmer's paddock at any time. The bull might kill you, but otherwise there was is problem."
And "If you ever see a 'Keep Out' sign in a property in Scotland, it would be owned by an Englishman."
Cheers,
Peter
Came across this story while doing some Internet surfing:
https://thestrayferret.co.uk/travellers-set-up-camp-at-harrogates-ashville-college-and-demand-5000-to-leave/
There was a second story about the school principle standing firm and not paying the £5,000 extortion but for some reason it wouldn't load on my computer when I went back.
I have come across stories about these 'travellers' in the past. It seems that they have a centuries old right to set up camp wherever they please - village commons, sports grounds, farms and even schools. How they get on with water, not to say toilet disposal has never been mentioned. As stated in the story, the police were powerless to move them on.
Local councils live in fear when they hear of these 'travellers' heading their way.
(Apparently 'travellers' are a modern name for gypsies and such.)
And to think that councils around Australia believe they have it tough when a few 'grey nomads' camp near their towns?
Murray
Edit: Changed the word 'rough' to 'tough.'
-- Edited by Long Weekend on Saturday 28th of August 2021 03:26:07 PM
Gypsies in the UK are a waste of space.
To my knowledge they do not have *any* special rights in regard to camping but they are somewhat of a law unto themselves.
As best I remember a court order is required to remove them from (certain?) lands upon which they camp and it is the time taken to obtain such an order (and appeals) which allows them to illegally camp for a considerable time. Then they move five miles and the process begins again. I do not believe they have any right whatsoever to camp on private land.
I recall, many years past, driving a truck on a long straight road in East Anglia one day when all the traffic was stopped in both directions by some gypsies in order that they may stage a horse and buggy race between two competitors. No doubt much *cash* was depending upon the result; gypsies do not pay tax.
Not in my lifetime they were not.
Je suis Charlie --- Je suis Samuel
Not even in Australia any more!
i have work alongside them when i lived /worked in the west country (UK) for some of the biggest produce merchants in the country .
the "them and us" sediment is very strong and all work was for cash in hand therefor no tax ,and if you valued anything you didn't leave it laying around . one friend of mine had the boys tarmac his driveway, beautiful job but it was less than 10 mm thick didn't last long, an that lot was long gone by the time he realized.
When I was a youngster we lived in the Fenland County of Cambridgeshire and I remember the gypsy women in their colourful clothes, would come around selling pegs for the washing line. Woe betide the person who did not buy any, they would put a "curse" on you and yours.
In Cambridgeshire they were known as Didecoys. I recall that they had beautifully decorated horse drawn caravans and camped on the same ground everytime they came into the area. You never left anything of value around when they were in town!
I think they were largely tolerated as they would camp for a few days then move on.
Do you recall that some parents would tell their children that if they were naughty "The gypsies will take you away"?
I sometimes think it's amazing that most children make it to adulthood without a basket full of psychosis....
This may be of interest:
History of the Gypsies - Owlcation
no! I don't think being referred as "gypsy" is quite as romantic as it may seem
The tactic of choice was always the hand bag left on side of road, whilst young men would hide in bushes. When a motorist stopped the same scenario ensued, robbery, car theft with car left in next town.
Australia in the 40's. Back then they were often called Rommanys.
England was difficult to free camp in. Caravan parks were typically very expensive and many were owned by caravan "clubs". The English tended to travel in their caravan from home to a park, stay there for the duration and then drive home again. Those who went to Continental Europe were different and would tour, but mostly touring was in motorhomes, not caravans.
Scotland on the other hand was easy and friendly.
A Scot once told us that "You can walk across any farmer's paddock at any time. The bull might kill you, but otherwise there was is problem."
And "If you ever see a 'Keep Out' sign in a property in Scotland, it would be owned by an Englishman."
Cheers,
Peter