I'm looking at replacing all 6 of my motorhome tyres. Tyre place recommended Toyo which I know is a good brand but as a cheaper alternative he recommended RADAR ARGINITE which I've never heard of. Has anyone come across them or have any useful info about them good or bad.
Thanks in advance Di
Aus-Kiwi said
10:36 AM Sep 25, 2021
May help to tell tyres size etc ? The ride quality means a lot also ! I find mine age before they wear out ! Not easy getting some tyres these days ? Due to covert !! I would NOT purchase any Chinese Tyre ! Most are made in Asia though !
-- Edited by Aus-Kiwi on Saturday 25th of September 2021 10:37:48 AM
Cupie said
11:28 AM Sep 25, 2021
Never heard of them but an internet search reveals lots of distributors.
Here is a small consumer review of 'Radar' Tyres. Looks like they may be good value for money but perhaps a little bit noisy. Small sample though & perhaps not the exact type that you are looking at.
I feel that the dealers recommendations are the ones that he makes the most profit from but are are probably an OK product. But that's just me!
-- Edited by Cupie on Saturday 25th of September 2021 11:29:27 AM
gdayjr said
05:44 PM Sep 25, 2021
I spent over 40 yrs in the tyre industry.
The radar tyres are just a generic Chinese tyre made in a factory that makes tyres for dozens of brands.
They are made to a price, and not made for quality, and priced to match.
All Chinese tyres are ok in regard for value, but the major brands are not where they are by chance.
I use the rule of thumb, that if the brand is not an O/E product, as in not fitted as original equipment on a known brand of vehicle, I tend to put them towards the bottom of my list of preferences.
Great for running on the family runabout, but not for vehicles pounding out serious highway miles.
Aus-Kiwi said
08:41 PM Sep 25, 2021
Makes me laugh when I see 100k plus performance vehicle ! Running San Yangs ! Your kidding ! Same applies here !
yobarr said
08:48 PM Sep 25, 2021
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Makes me laugh when I see 100k plus performance vehicle ! Running San Yangs ! Your kidding ! Same applies here !
Yes,Graeme,you're dead right.With tyres,as in most things in life,you get what you pay for.Trying to save a couple of miserable dollars on tyres is an exercise in stupidity.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 25th of September 2021 08:54:19 PM
In Europe, all non truck tyres must have a sticker that describes the comparative noise, wet road handling and fuel consumption of every tyre sold. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyre_label~:text=The%20Tyre%20Label%20is%20a%20mark%20for%20motor,sold%20in%20EU%20market%20starting%20in%20November%202012. Most people want to know how many kms the tyre will last. Few understand that the difference in the cost of fuel between one tyre and another can be much more important than the km or the $s paid for a particular tyre. 1L/100km for 50,000km @ $1.50/L = $750 fuel cost difference over the life of the tyre. I learned that it was not possible to judge the fuel consumption of a tyre by looking at it and it is not necessarily related to the price either.
Rolling resistance is the main key factor in measuring the energy efficiency of a tyre and has direct influence on the fuel consumption of a vehicle. A set of tyres of the green class "A" compared to a "G" class can reduce fuel consumption by 9%[3] of a passenger car; even more for trucks. Cheers, Peter
-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Saturday 25th of September 2021 09:11:31 PM
Fast_Eddie said
11:35 AM Sep 26, 2021
gdayjr wrote:
I spent over 40 yrs in the tyre industry.
The radar tyres are just a generic Chinese tyre made in a factory that makes tyres for dozens of brands.
They are made to a price, and not made for quality, and priced to match.
All Chinese tyres are ok in regard for value, but the major brands are not where they are by chance.
I use the rule of thumb, that if the brand is not an O/E product, as in not fitted as original equipment on a known brand of vehicle, I tend to put them towards the bottom of my list of preferences.
Great for running on the family runabout, but not for vehicles pounding out serious highway miles.
As a new member and also an ex tyre design engineer and test driver, I agree totally with Graham - not worth the risk. I would not even put them on the family runabout. Toyo make a good product.
bomurra said
01:54 PM Sep 26, 2021
My personal opinion is that as the tyres on your vehicle are the essential contact between the vehicle and the road, they are one of the most important safety items on the vehicle.
I always purchase premium brands with the correct (or better) ratings as specified by the vehicle manufacturer, and usually don't run then below 40%. Personally I would prefer not to purchase an unknown brand Chinese tyre.
Strangely I never have a problem with tyres.
Aus-Kiwi said
09:00 PM Sep 27, 2021
6.5 ton motorhome here . Trust me a flat tyre on the front sure gets your attention . Can go from flat to shredded in seconds ! That is with Michelin 225 X 19.5 wheels . I would not be here today one flat I had recently! If I run cheap tyres !!
Onedodger said
01:58 PM Sep 28, 2021
I am a Toyo fan too. Have found them to be good on klm's and a solid tyre. If you are 16inch or larger and AT light truck you will probably find they are 10ply and substantially stronger IMHO. As other have said safety is paramount.
Peter_n_Margaret said
02:09 PM Sep 28, 2021
Onedodger wrote:
I am a Toyo fan too. Have found them to be good on klm's and a solid tyre. If you are 16inch or larger and AT light truck you will probably find they are 10ply and substantially stronger IMHO. As other have said safety is paramount.
There is no such thing as "10 ply" since radial tyres. It makes no sense, except to the advertising writer.
The tyres I use on the OKA have a load rating of 3075kg PER TYRE at 115psi (I run them at around 60 and 45psi). They have a SINGLE steel side wall ply.
Look for the load rating which is printed on the tyre.
Cheers,
Peter
Fast_Eddie said
03:34 PM Sep 28, 2021
Ply ratings remain an optional designation for tyres. These are in addition to the load index.
Neither relate to number of casing plies or indeed to sidewall strength as it relates to impact damage.
Peter_n_Margaret said
04:38 PM Sep 28, 2021
Fast_Eddie wrote:
Ply ratings remain an optional designation for tyres. These are in addition to the load index.
Neither relate to number of casing plies or indeed to sidewall strength as it relates to impact damage.
So tell us what it actually means in scientifically specified terms.
Cheers,
Peter
gdayjr said
04:44 PM Sep 28, 2021
If you want technical, then this page should make it easy to explain.
Thanks for trying, BUT, it is clear from that info that the "Ply" rating adds zero information and even the common US "Load range E" (etc) mean nothing more that what is also described by the "Load Index" (which, by the way, needs to be read in conjunction with the specified maximum pressure at which it occurs.
Cheers,
Peter
Cupie said
06:43 PM Sep 28, 2021
I think that we are about to enter into yet another a P#$$1ng contest.
What about the OP's question.
BTW I have Coopers on my Patrol.
Fast_Eddie said
06:45 PM Sep 28, 2021
Correct.
But even more than that, the use of a load index means having to go to a chart (that you may not have) to find out the corresponding max load. So a number (max load) is replaced by another number (load index)!
Lost that argument along time ago, but every tyre that I designed from then on included a max load in the tyre.
Bobdown said
10:05 PM Sep 28, 2021
dundreamin wrote:
Hi All
I'm looking at replacing all 6 of my motorhome tyres. Tyre place recommended Toyo which I know is a good brand but as a cheaper alternative he recommended RADAR ARGINITE which I've never heard of. Has anyone come across them or have any useful info about them good or bad.
Thanks in advance Di
Hi Di,
Not an expert like some, but have been recommended Double Coin tyres by a local tyre shop. They are mainly truck and bus tyres, for steer or trailer wheels, long k's and good for fuel and Chinese made.(good or bad)
Not sure about load rating, maybe Fast Eddie can comment, but are reasonably priced. A lot of trucks out there using them.
Cheers Bob
-- Edited by Bobdown on Tuesday 28th of September 2021 10:07:05 PM
Aus-Kiwi said
10:34 AM Sep 29, 2021
Steer tyres I would keep to Brands like Goodyear, Dunlop, Michelin, Toyo etc . Trust me when it matters !! For the sake of a few dollars ? Back inners on duel ? I tend to fit older or cheaper tyres !! Keep in mind most tyres dont wear before the date of tyres age ! . Mine can easy do 100,000ks . I wouldnt do half that in 5 years !! Admittedly the smaller sized tyres may wear faster ! Front wheel drives etc Another part with price ? I purchase online or through a bulk retailer . Prices can be as much as half the price !! Even if I pay a local to fit and balance . Who does my pink slips ! NSW rego required. Win - win .
Fast_Eddie said
10:47 AM Sep 29, 2021
Hi Bob.
Double Coin have been in the Aust market for probably over 20 years, but truck tyres were not my game.
I consulted with a mate that is an expert in truck tyres. He advises that despite being Chinese tyres, Double Coin have more recently upped their game technically and have now released truck products that are quite good and certainly good value for money.
@gdayjr may have more info or knowledge about truck tyres than me.
Hope this helps.
gdayjr said
10:09 PM Sep 29, 2021
I ran a big truck store for Bridgestone Australia in the 90s.
We were told not to buy Double Coin, or fit them, but they were just so cheap.
They have been in Australia for a good 30 yrs now, and are still a big selling brand.
When the big companies work out the cost of a truck tyre, it is done over its entire life.
That usually involves the mileage as a new tyre, then also the cost of at least one, sometimes two recaps.
That is worked out as cents per kilometre.
The major brands still work out as cheap over the life of the tyre, but Double Coin were the first of the Chinese companies to guarantee two recaps on the case.
I still try and replace the tyres on my vehicles with the same brand that was on the vehicle from new.
Hi All
I'm looking at replacing all 6 of my motorhome tyres. Tyre place recommended Toyo which I know is a good brand but as a cheaper alternative he recommended RADAR ARGINITE which I've never heard of. Has anyone come across them or have any useful info about them good or bad.
Thanks in advance
Di
May help to tell tyres size etc ? The ride quality means a lot also ! I find mine age before they wear out ! Not easy getting some tyres these days ? Due to covert !! I would NOT purchase any Chinese Tyre ! Most are made in Asia though !
-- Edited by Aus-Kiwi on Saturday 25th of September 2021 10:37:48 AM
Never heard of them but an internet search reveals lots of distributors.
Here is a small consumer review of 'Radar' Tyres. Looks like they may be good value for money but perhaps a little bit noisy. Small sample though & perhaps not the exact type that you are looking at.
I feel that the dealers recommendations are the ones that he makes the most profit from but are are probably an OK product. But that's just me!
https://www.productreview.com.au/c/tyres/b/radar-tires
-- Edited by Cupie on Saturday 25th of September 2021 11:29:27 AM
I spent over 40 yrs in the tyre industry.
The radar tyres are just a generic Chinese tyre made in a factory that makes tyres for dozens of brands.
They are made to a price, and not made for quality, and priced to match.
All Chinese tyres are ok in regard for value, but the major brands are not where they are by chance.
I use the rule of thumb, that if the brand is not an O/E product, as in not fitted as original equipment on a known brand of vehicle, I tend to put them towards the bottom of my list of preferences.
Great for running on the family runabout, but not for vehicles pounding out serious highway miles.
Yes,Graeme,you're dead right.With tyres,as in most things in life,you get what you pay for.Trying to save a couple of miserable dollars on tyres is an exercise in stupidity.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 25th of September 2021 08:54:19 PM
In Europe, all non truck tyres must have a sticker that describes the comparative noise, wet road handling and fuel consumption of every tyre sold.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyre_label~:text=The%20Tyre%20Label%20is%20a%20mark%20for%20motor,sold%20in%20EU%20market%20starting%20in%20November%202012.
Most people want to know how many kms the tyre will last.
Few understand that the difference in the cost of fuel between one tyre and another can be much more important than the km or the $s paid for a particular tyre.
1L/100km for 50,000km @ $1.50/L = $750 fuel cost difference over the life of the tyre.
I learned that it was not possible to judge the fuel consumption of a tyre by looking at it and it is not necessarily related to the price either.
Cheers,
Peter
-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Saturday 25th of September 2021 09:11:31 PM
As a new member and also an ex tyre design engineer and test driver, I agree totally with Graham - not worth the risk. I would not even put them on the family runabout. Toyo make a good product.
My personal opinion is that as the tyres on your vehicle are the essential contact between the vehicle and the road, they are one of the most important safety items on the vehicle.
I always purchase premium brands with the correct (or better) ratings as specified by the vehicle manufacturer, and usually don't run then below 40%. Personally I would prefer not to purchase an unknown brand Chinese tyre.
Strangely I never have a problem with tyres.
There is no such thing as "10 ply" since radial tyres. It makes no sense, except to the advertising writer.
The tyres I use on the OKA have a load rating of 3075kg PER TYRE at 115psi (I run them at around 60 and 45psi). They have a SINGLE steel side wall ply.
Look for the load rating which is printed on the tyre.
Cheers,
Peter
Ply ratings remain an optional designation for tyres. These are in addition to the load index.
Neither relate to number of casing plies or indeed to sidewall strength as it relates to impact damage.
So tell us what it actually means in scientifically specified terms.
Cheers,
Peter
If you want technical, then this page should make it easy to explain.
https://www.tirebuyer.com/education/tire-ply-rating
Does that answer your query Peter?
No.
Thanks for trying, BUT, it is clear from that info that the "Ply" rating adds zero information and even the common US "Load range E" (etc) mean nothing more that what is also described by the "Load Index" (which, by the way, needs to be read in conjunction with the specified maximum pressure at which it occurs.
Cheers,
Peter
I think that we are about to enter into yet another a P#$$1ng contest.
What about the OP's question.
BTW I have Coopers on my Patrol.
Correct.
But even more than that, the use of a load index means having to go to a chart (that you may not have) to find out the corresponding max load. So a number (max load) is replaced by another number (load index)!
Lost that argument along time ago, but every tyre that I designed from then on included a max load in the tyre.
Hi Di,
Not an expert like some, but have been recommended Double Coin tyres by a local tyre shop. They are mainly truck and bus tyres, for steer or trailer wheels, long k's and good for fuel and Chinese made.(good or bad)
Not sure about load rating, maybe Fast Eddie can comment, but are reasonably priced. A lot of trucks out there using them.
Cheers Bob
-- Edited by Bobdown on Tuesday 28th of September 2021 10:07:05 PM
Hi Bob.
Double Coin have been in the Aust market for probably over 20 years, but truck tyres were not my game.
I consulted with a mate that is an expert in truck tyres. He advises that despite being Chinese tyres, Double Coin have more recently upped their game technically and have now released truck products that are quite good and certainly good value for money.
@gdayjr may have more info or knowledge about truck tyres than me.
Hope this helps.
I ran a big truck store for Bridgestone Australia in the 90s.
We were told not to buy Double Coin, or fit them, but they were just so cheap.
They have been in Australia for a good 30 yrs now, and are still a big selling brand.
When the big companies work out the cost of a truck tyre, it is done over its entire life.
That usually involves the mileage as a new tyre, then also the cost of at least one, sometimes two recaps.
That is worked out as cents per kilometre.
The major brands still work out as cheap over the life of the tyre, but Double Coin were the first of the Chinese companies to guarantee two recaps on the case.
I still try and replace the tyres on my vehicles with the same brand that was on the vehicle from new.