This is a fascinating podcast of a couple's ordeal with hoons at a campsite. You must listen to it!
The only problem I have with the podcast is the quietness of the host compared to the loudness of the guest speakers.
peter67 said
10:52 AM Nov 11, 2021
Yes, difficult to hear him. I feel very sorry for that couple camp hosting at Cosy Corner, what a nightmare that turned in to. The local yobbo's responsible should be hung drawn and quartered.
Seaeagle63 said
12:00 PM Nov 11, 2021
I met Julie & Steve in Carnarvon early Sept this year. Julie related this story to me whilst sitting around the campfire. I was horrified to hear what had happened to them. Julie also put me on to this website site. Wherever you are Julie & Steve I hope you are enjoying yourselves. Stay safe and keep on travelling.
Blues Man said
12:05 PM Nov 11, 2021
I feel so sorry for Julie & Steve .What a great podcast.
Unfortunately there will always be w@nkers in this world and the best thing to do is avoid them and simply move on, some S&J could not really do.
Such stories, although rare, are part of the reason why I think firearms for personal protection should be legal in this country.
In the bush you need to be your own law.
Magnarc said
12:38 PM Nov 11, 2021
Mike wrote;
Such stories, although rare, are part of the reason why I think firearms for personal protection should be legal in this country.
In the bush you need to be your own law.
Whilst that experience was an absolute nightmare for those people I can't help but wonder,
Arm the innocent, arm the offenders also Mike?
-- Edited by Magnarc on Thursday 11th of November 2021 12:41:02 PM
Mike Harding said
01:08 PM Nov 11, 2021
Magnarc wrote:
Whilst that experience was an absolute nightmare for those people I can't help but wonder,
Arm the innocent, arm the offenders also Mike?
Test and licence people to carry a firearm for self defence - we already do that for hunting/target firearms, security guards etc. and that works well.
People such as the fire bombers in the podcast *know* their victims are defenceless, they may have a slightly different concept of whether such a violent action was wise if they thought they may be shot whilst burning others to the ground.
As things stand currently in Australia: we are all totally defenceless when in the bush and I really hope that is not what my friends Russell and Carol discovered.
Derek Barnes said
03:15 PM Nov 11, 2021
Rather than arming yourself with weapons I think a better strategy would be to arm yourself with automatic video cameras and make it clear that everything is being recorded. That way the potential offenders may think better about attacking the innocent and being identified to police.
Violence will only ever breed more violence.
-- Edited by Derek Barnes on Thursday 11th of November 2021 03:16:47 PM
Possum3 said
03:38 PM Nov 11, 2021
Derek Barnes wrote:
Rather than arming yourself with weapons I think a better strategy would be to arm yourself with automatic video cameras and make it clear that everything is being recorded. That way the potential offenders may think better about attacking the innocent and being identified to police.
In my experience; when "civilians" are videoing persons with criminal intent, the party with the camera/phone is then attacked more ferociously when the offenders attempt to confiscate the recording device.
It is better to not antagonise vicious thugs and be compliant to demands, if unable to safely extract yourself.
Although the above is recommended actions, I do agree with Mike regarding firearm ownership and use.
Bicyclecamper said
01:31 PM Nov 12, 2021
I run camera on my bike these days due to two rear accidents up in QLD, and although I gave details of the perps and their rego, the police wanted video evidence. My camera is in place on the dog trailer, and you really cannot discern it. I also don't tell anybody that they are being recorded, even if you are supposed to. Have had one very close call from QLD trucky in NSW recorded, and he was booked for it. So camera's can help. Just don't make it obvious that you are recording them.
Mike Harding said
05:38 PM Nov 12, 2021
Bicyclecamper wrote:
So camera's can help. Just don't make it obvious that you are recording them.
"OK constable we have a lead... it seems he took a photograph of them before they killed him."
orid said
07:35 PM Nov 12, 2021
Cops should have taken names and addresses ,especially if this low life mob were threatening to come back for revenge
Blues Man said
09:31 AM Nov 13, 2021
orid wrote:
Cops should have taken names and addresses ,especially if this low life mob were threatening to come back for revenge
Maybe they did but unless there is substantial evidence the cops can't do too much .
He said , she said , is not good enough.
I reckon campsites that have caretakers should have CCTV also.
orid said
12:17 PM Nov 13, 2021
Well Im sure that if one or both poor people had died in the fire , there woul have been 100 detectives there plus 100 other police ,,and the culprits would have been found if they had names and addresses or not , but because no one hurt , too hard box
Barry Jordan said
01:32 PM Nov 17, 2021
Magnarc wrote:
Mike wrote;
Such stories, although rare, are part of the reason why I think firearms for personal protection should be legal in this country.
In the bush you need to be your own law.
Whilst that experience was an absolute nightmare for those people I can't help but wonder,
Arm the innocent, arm the offenders also Mike?
-- Edited by Magnarc on Thursday 11th of November 2021 12:41:02 PM
With gun makes me level with the others. thay can not bully me as now. And we need to
be learnt guns to defend our country. We are all pussies now.
Blues Man said
01:45 PM Nov 17, 2021
As i have always said every child above the age of 12yrs should learn to use a firearm safely and responsibly .
Wanda said
02:56 PM Nov 17, 2021
Thats just what we need, more guns.!!!!!! We all, well some, winge about not wanting to become like America, guns seem to sort all their problems out don't they..........NOT!!!! Since when did guns solve any problem anywhere I can't believe some of these posts here, bloody rednecks
Unfortunately there will always be w@nkers in this world and the best thing to do is avoid them and simply move on, some S&J could not really do.
Such stories, although rare, are part of the reason why I think firearms for personal protection should be legal in this country.
In the bush you need to be your own law.
Works really well in America MH, NOT.
I have always thought of you as one of those "w@nkers", but I am now certain your actually far worse than one of them
Please, please stay in the forest
Mike Harding said
05:13 PM Nov 17, 2021
Do you have an anger management problem Wanda?
Wanda said
05:33 PM Nov 17, 2021
No, only with you, do you have mental issues Mike!
Mike Harding said
06:16 PM Nov 17, 2021
Is it so wrong, Wanda, that others see the world differently than you?
yobarr said
06:26 PM Nov 17, 2021
Mike Harding wrote:
Is it so wrong, Wanda, that others see the world differently than you?
It certainly is clear to me that some people see the world differently from the way others see the same world? C'est la vie.Cheers
Bicyclecamper said
08:32 PM Nov 17, 2021
J..us , I am getting sick and tired of people picking on other people, someone starts it, sometimes the receiver, walks away, sometimes after copping flak they fire back, but whatever is happening here on all these chat forums, it is getting me down. Argumentative people, I am suggesting if you want to throw flak at someone, do it thru the PM/DM system. We've all had a terrible 2 years, everybody is under the gun at work, and everybody is throwing flak at everybody else everywhere else, FFS, grow up. I come here for enjoyment, to relax and unwind, not to be spat on or see same done to others. I can see the writing on the wall for me, to avoid the various Chat sections of forums. PLEASE PEOPLE IF NOT FOR YOURSELVES, THEN FOR ME, TRY AND KEEP IT CIVIL.
What a frightening ordeal to have to go through!
This is a fascinating podcast of a couple's ordeal with hoons at a campsite. You must listen to it!
The only problem I have with the podcast is the quietness of the host compared to the loudness of the guest speakers.
I feel so sorry for Julie & Steve .What a great podcast.
Wrong Place, Wrong Time
Poor people.
Unfortunately there will always be w@nkers in this world and the best thing to do is avoid them and simply move on, some S&J could not really do.
Such stories, although rare, are part of the reason why I think firearms for personal protection should be legal in this country.
In the bush you need to be your own law.
Mike wrote;
Such stories, although rare, are part of the reason why I think firearms for personal protection should be legal in this country.
In the bush you need to be your own law.
Whilst that experience was an absolute nightmare for those people I can't help but wonder,
Arm the innocent, arm the offenders also Mike?
-- Edited by Magnarc on Thursday 11th of November 2021 12:41:02 PM
Test and licence people to carry a firearm for self defence - we already do that for hunting/target firearms, security guards etc. and that works well.
People such as the fire bombers in the podcast *know* their victims are defenceless, they may have a slightly different concept of whether such a violent action was wise if they thought they may be shot whilst burning others to the ground.
As things stand currently in Australia: we are all totally defenceless when in the bush and I really hope that is not what my friends Russell and Carol discovered.
Rather than arming yourself with weapons I think a better strategy would be to arm yourself with automatic video cameras and make it clear that everything is being recorded. That way the potential offenders may think better about attacking the innocent and being identified to police.
Violence will only ever breed more violence.
-- Edited by Derek Barnes on Thursday 11th of November 2021 03:16:47 PM
In my experience; when "civilians" are videoing persons with criminal intent, the party with the camera/phone is then attacked more ferociously when the offenders attempt to confiscate the recording device.
It is better to not antagonise vicious thugs and be compliant to demands, if unable to safely extract yourself.
Although the above is recommended actions, I do agree with Mike regarding firearm ownership and use.
"OK constable we have a lead... it seems he took a photograph of them before they killed him."
Maybe they did but unless there is substantial evidence the cops can't do too much .
He said , she said , is not good enough.
I reckon campsites that have caretakers should have CCTV also.
With gun makes me level with the others. thay can not bully me as now. And we need to
be learnt guns to defend our country. We are all pussies now.
As i have always said every child above the age of 12yrs should learn to use a firearm safely and responsibly .
Thats just what we need, more guns.!!!!!!
We all, well some, winge about not wanting to become like America, guns seem to sort all their problems out don't they..........NOT!!!!
Since when did guns solve any problem anywhere
I can't believe some of these posts here, bloody rednecks
Works really well in America MH, NOT.
I have always thought of you as one of those "w@nkers", but I am now certain your actually far worse than one of them
Please, please stay in the forest
Do you have an anger management problem Wanda?
Is it so wrong, Wanda, that others see the world differently than you?
It certainly is clear to me that some people see the world differently from the way others see the same world? C'est la vie.Cheers