AdBlue shortage most of it comes from China. Surprise surprise! Pissing in your tank will only give you 2% urea, you need 32%.
Luckily I'm petrol.
Tony Bev said
11:41 PM Dec 3, 2021
It is a bit of a worry, for those with modern RV's, who like to travel long distance
Not to mention the truckies, and possible lack of freight movements
All is not lost, I read that the first in command of the trucking industry, has alerted the second in command of the country, of this urgent problem
A spokesman for the second in command of the country, has said that he is monitoring the situation
Whenarewethere said
08:20 AM Dec 4, 2021
Reading up on AdBlue I was quite surprised how much is required, about 3 - 6% of your diesel. Also only has a shelf life of 12 months, so don't buy too much, & cars won't start if they run out.
Aus-Kiwi said
12:49 PM Dec 6, 2021
I think if things get bad youll find theres ways of running without urea ! Yep this is what happens when we go to cheapest option ! Some in high places cannot see that !!! Particularly ACT !! Over the last 20 or so years !
dabbler said
04:25 PM Dec 6, 2021
Urea production in Australia has doubled in the last 20yrs and stands at about 0.5M tonne/year. Less than half is used by agriculture who import 1.7M tonnes of the 1.9M tonnes they use. You can't blame politicians when the people actually using stuff just want the cheapest they can source even though more and more is available domestically.
Aus-Kiwi said
05:19 PM Dec 6, 2021
Tax the crap out of locals !!
Rob Driver said
05:44 PM Dec 6, 2021
For those with more than an interest which involves the humour of pissing in a tank, there are ways and means to continue to use your diesel equipment.
This is just another example of we, as the general population, accepting something for the reason of saving the planet that is controlled by someone who has us all by the gonads with supply and price. It amazes me how a government will introduce pollution specifications and make it law but when the system fails through supply or any other reason then fitting a bi pass system so that consumer may use his vehicle or equipment is illegal.
I guess this little piece of equipment will become popular. Just dont tell anyone you have one. Without shopping I see on some sites that they can be as cheap as 99 pounds in Britain.
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Monday 6th of December 2021 05:47:04 PM
dabbler said
09:12 PM Dec 6, 2021
Government didn't specify AdBlue or DEF. Some manufacturers decided it was an easy way to meet emissions targets while some went a totally different direction. Those people requiring AdBlue can take their vehicle manufacturer to task. FWIW, without emissions controls, we'd be far worse off than we are now. You can argue the point but you can't argue the facts. Our cities and towns in particular, are far more healthy and pleasant places than they would be otherwise and it took government legislation to force manufacturing change.
Ger08 said
12:35 AM Dec 7, 2021
dabbler wrote:
Government didn't specify AdBlue or DEF. Some manufacturers decided it was an easy way to meet emissions targets while some went a totally different direction. Those people requiring AdBlue can take their vehicle manufacturer to task. FWIW, without emissions controls, we'd be far worse off than we are now. You can argue the point but you can't argue the facts. Our cities and towns in particular, are far more healthy and pleasant places than they would be otherwise and it took government legislation to force manufacturing change.
Perfectly articulated and accurate
travelyounger said
01:48 AM Dec 7, 2021
Whenarewethere wrote:
AdBlue shortage most of it comes from China. Surprise surprise! Pissing in your tank will only give you 2% urea, you need 32%.
Luckily I'm petrol.
Maybe it is a wake up call relying on other countries for basic energy needs.Like a recent post on the grey nomads forum about Australia having no fuel making industry and only a three month supply if something happens.Our so called leaders wanting to pick a fight with China over the origins of the virus this shortage of adblue might only be the start of things to come.Someone up their needs to start thinking about national security because I dont think batteries and solar will be much help if we are drawn into a conflict
cheers
travelyounger said
04:51 AM Dec 7, 2021
Rob Driver wrote:
For those with more than an interest which involves the humour of pissing in a tank, there are ways and means to continue to use your diesel equipment.
This is just another example of we, as the general population, accepting something for the reason of saving the planet that is controlled by someone who has us all by the gonads with supply and price. It amazes me how a government will introduce pollution specifications and make it law but when the system fails through supply or any other reason then fitting a bi pass system so that consumer may use his vehicle or equipment is illegal.
I guess this little piece of equipment will become popular. Just dont tell anyone you have one. Without shopping I see on some sites that they can be as cheap as 99 pounds in Britain.
Government didn't specify AdBlue or DEF. Some manufacturers decided it was an easy way to meet emissions targets while some went a totally different direction. Those people requiring AdBlue can take their vehicle manufacturer to task. FWIW, without emissions controls, we'd be far worse off than we are now. You can argue the point but you can't argue the facts. Our cities and towns in particular, are far more healthy and pleasant places than they would be otherwise and it took government legislation to force manufacturing change.
Totally agree that governments world wide only accepted the method of correcting exhaust emissions. Engine manufacturers came up with the solution ,be it good or bad.
So once there are millions of vehicles world wide that wont be able to be operated legally due to a belligerent country which will either control the world or be removed from future blackmail and covert control situations, the consumer finds it illegal to operate their vehicles.
Many of you on here think I am against improving air quality and if the truth be told I am not against it at all.
What I have been saying in many previous posts on different topics on here is that a government will jump in and follow blindly with new methods with absolutely no regard for repercussions or unforseen failures. Introducing new regulations, that are set by other people has been and will continue to be a problem when the take up of that system is interrupted by lack of supply of parts or raw materials.
Simple situation is that thousands of trucks every year cart Urea to farms as fertiliser. We need Urea to make Adblue but apparently we shut the plant that makes it to rely on getting it from China and including the raw material.
When, we as a country made this regulation to make us all feel warm and fuzzy did anyone stop and think for one moment that this will be a problem to all farmers let alone all diesel operators when the National supply of Urea is cut off. Woah!! Back the truck up, we have plenty of Urea for farming but cant cart it.
Not only farmers of course but when Mum goes to Colesworths and there is no Corn Flakes available it is because the government made it illegal to operate the $200,000 prime mover without Adblue.
I have said this before, none of these new regulations to accept someone elses systems have been thought out to the fullest extent.
This is not a new thing happening, emission control in vehicles goes back into the mid *70s in Australia.
A simple example was the current Chrysler Valiant at the time had a basic method to improve C02 emissions from the exhaust.
Actually what they did was fit a temperature sensitive switch or solenoid which controlled the vacuum to the distributor to advance or retard the ignition timing dependant on engine temperature. This wasnt the only method built into the system by Chrysler but for all intents and purposes it worked for the improvement of the C02 readings over a set time period.
Well we may all guess what happened. This little pi$$ ant switch failed en mass and because it was illegal to operate the vehicle with the switch disconnected there were many hundreds of vehicles parked up for an extended period until these solenoid switches became available.
Is this fair to the consumer? NO.
Did any Government in the world care? NO
Did Australia learn from this? NO
I dont even think that this is funny when a similar situation is now happening 45 years later.
So when those who insist we all adopt what might seem to be good world practice can you please stop and think of all the potential problems and the financial penalties that will come about when it didnt work like the promoters and sale executives all tell us in those beautifully directed and produced brain washing videos.
At present the transport industry could be the industry that carrys the majority of the costs just so they can stay up and running.
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Tuesday 7th of December 2021 09:02:38 AM
Rob Driver said
09:40 AM Dec 7, 2021
travelyounger wrote:
Rob Driver wrote:
For those with more than an interest which involves the humour of pissing in a tank, there are ways and means to continue to use your diesel equipment.
This is just another example of we, as the general population, accepting something for the reason of saving the planet that is controlled by someone who has us all by the gonads with supply and price. It amazes me how a government will introduce pollution specifications and make it law but when the system fails through supply or any other reason then fitting a bi pass system so that consumer may use his vehicle or equipment is illegal.
I guess this little piece of equipment will become popular. Just dont tell anyone you have one. Without shopping I see on some sites that they can be as cheap as 99 pounds in Britain.
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Monday 6th of December 2021 05:47:04 PM
Apparently the PM has the power to keep things going if we run out of adblue. Deleting the adblue or remapping the engine is being considered.
Cheers
Yes John, but isnt it always the way that no one wants to act until those concerned are forced to experience the angst of a failure of a government to correctly and accurately assess all aspects, both good and bad, of these new methods of emission control.
It just seems that whenever it involves vehicles our government is happy to force on all of us any system which is presented on a glossy brochure or video produced by the very people that stand to make the money from the new system.
As I have said before, we, Aus, do not need to rush in and follow on blindly because another country or worse, a manufacturer, says it is good.
Aus-Kiwi said
10:42 AM Dec 7, 2021
Well if you have an older VW diesel ? Its more the larger vehicles !! I find water injection keep my engine clean . They bring these EPA things in then it takes a few years to sort it out ! Look what happened when we stopped using leaded fuel. Our vehicles where terrible for a few years . Trouble is short trips dont help
. More so on diesels !! Nomads tend to drive long then heaps of short trips !!
Buzz Lightbulb said
11:47 AM Dec 7, 2021
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
I think if things get bad youll find theres ways of running without urea ! Yep this is what happens when we go to cheapest option ! Some in high places cannot see that !!! Particularly ACT !! Over the last 20 or so years !
@Aus-Kiwi,
I'm finding it a bit difficult to understand what you're trying to say.
By the 'cheapest option', do you mean that someone in 'high places' 'particularly ACT' decided to import ad blue rather than have it made here in Australia? If so, I have a bone to pick with that. If not, please ignore the following:
I have lived in the ACT and it's a really nice place to live. Especially when parliament is NOT sitting. There are very few federal politicians who represent and live in the ACT. The rest live out in the rest of Australia. The rest of Australia, not the ACT, voted in those politicians.
If you look at the politicians who are accused of rape, misogyny, travel rorts and other undesirable actions, you will see that most, if not all, come from outside of the ACT.
It's not the ACT that causes the problems. It's in parliament house where the undesirable decisions are made by politicians that are not ACTarians but unfortunately, come from outside of the ACT.
So please be more accurate in where your accusations are directed.
Rob Driver said
12:55 PM Dec 7, 2021
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
I think if things get bad youll find theres ways of running without urea ! Yep this is what happens when we go to cheapest option ! Some in high places cannot see that !!! Particularly ACT !! Over the last 20 or so years !
@Aus-Kiwi,
I'm finding it a bit difficult to understand what you're trying to say.
By the 'cheapest option', do you mean that someone in 'high places' 'particularly ACT' decided to import ad blue rather than have it made here in Australia? If so, I have a bone to pick with that. If not, please ignore the following:
I have lived in the ACT and it's a really nice place to live. Especially when parliament is NOT sitting. There are very few federal politicians who represent and live in the ACT. The rest live out in the rest of Australia. The rest of Australia, not the ACT, voted in those politicians.
If you look at the politicians who are accused of rape, misogyny, travel rorts and other undesirable actions, you will see that most, if not all, come from outside of the ACT.
It's not the ACT that causes the problems. It's in parliament house where the undesirable decisions are made by politicians that are not ACTarians but unfortunately, come from outside of the ACT.
So please be more accurate in where your accusations are directed.
Once again, most of this has nothing to do with the Adblue shortage in Australia.
But on your off topic rant on politicians. Your so called experience in Canberra and working within govt circles would have displayed to you that Parliament is elected by the people. The parliament has to consist of those representatives from all over Australia and together with those members who do come from the ACT, all vote in the parliament.
Your ravings of alleged crimes currently being investigated in the ACT appear to involve politicians both from the senate and the lower house and,
surprise, surprise, Parliamentary staffers. Do these staffers come from the ACT. No wait a minute, we dont care. We hope one of those involved is not you.
Collo said
06:49 PM Dec 7, 2021
No Urea.....how about Hydrogen???
I'm with Andrew Forrest on this....sooner the better.
Collo.
Aus-Kiwi said
07:52 PM Dec 7, 2021
We cant talk politics. So ACT is my stealth way around politics!! Often an engine left to run on bad tune is WORSE ! Than having the unsatisfactory system !! When deleting it ! It still runs !! These system are often fitted to cover a wide range of engine tune . It could be disconnected and TUNED and still be EPA friendly !! A friend has spent close to $20,000 keeping his German Audi diesel going . Almost more than its worth ! I would have used Sea Foam !!
The dealers dont care !! They are making a killing $$$
Rob Driver said
08:40 PM Dec 7, 2021
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
We cant talk politics. So ACT is my stealth way around politics!! Often an engine left to run on bad tune is WORSE ! Than having the unsatisfactory system !! When deleting it ! It still runs !! These system are often fitted to cover a wide range of engine tune . It could be disconnected and TUNED and still be EPA friendly !! A friend has spent close to $20,000 keeping his German Audi diesel going . Almost more than its worth ! I would have used Sea Foam !! The dealers dont care !! They are making a killing $$$
Have to completely agree with you AK.
If I can go back to the post about the Valiant in 1976 the Australian requirement to comply was to have the engine run at a designated RPM on a Dyno for a nominated time with a C02 probe stuck up the exhaust. In those days it was easy for engine manufacturers to just fit tricky little solenoids and switches which reset mixture and ignition timing which then in turn cut the C0 emissions. All very good until any part of the system failed, then to drive the vehicle was illegal.
It was easy to tune those engines to comply by modifying internals and add ons like the type and brand of carburettor etc.
Apparently 45 years later we have still have a problem. Manufacturers are ruling governments with these emission requirements by promoting and fitting the cheapest system that their engineers can come up with and then ensuring that consumers pay for it in purchasing, operating and repairing these vehicles.
The improvement in the ICE has been incredible in extracting both power and fuel economy since we started being concerned about engine emissions.
Having said all of that, the biggest improvement was not so much with the engine but the switch to eliminate Leaded Petrol in petrol engines.
This is why the air is cleaner in most cities of the modern world today. If we carried on with NG in trucks and industrial engines that we would be streets ahead today as well but it did not suit governments as the cash cow was not a big one.
I know, I know, you climate greenies dont agree but you cant see the Forrest for the trees, no pun intended.
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Tuesday 7th of December 2021 08:46:19 PM
dabbler said
11:23 PM Dec 7, 2021
I'm not defending China but the reality is they're far from the only source of urea in the world and have only just become the largeet player. They have doubled their urea production in the last 15-20 yrs and have only become a net exporter of urea in the last few years. They now represent about 35% of world urea exports and are also facing a shortage, that's why they've slowed or stopped urea exports.
Two years ago, Russia was the world's largest producer and exporter of urea. Their production hasn't slowed, China has just outpaced them.
India has never been a net exporter and is the world's largest importer of urea. In fact despite being one of the top urea producing countries ten years ago with their production still increasing about 9% per annum, their consumption is increasing about 10% per annum. India imports about half of China's urea export.
In 2020-21 four other countries (Russia, Qatar, Egypt and Saudi Arabia) export more urea in total than China and they have also slowed or stopped export in order to protect their domestic supply. The simple fact is urea has multiple uses and consumption has outstripped production just about everywhere in the world.
The world's urea export trade is about 10-12% of world production. The other 88-90% is used and traded domestically and was never available for import by Australia or any other country.
I've used a bit of rounding in my figures for ease of explanation but the scales of magnitude are well represented and all the figures come from published reports. If you're interested, don't look for automotive reports because AdBlue urea requirements are miniscule compared to agriculture and manufacturing so the stories we're seeing are 6 to 12 months late and skim over the details. Australian agriculture bodies and economists were informing members about the urea shortage in the first half of this year.
Rob Driver said
08:24 AM Dec 8, 2021
Hi dabbler,
Thank you for a great explanation of the status of Urea and its supply and availability.
My annoyance is not the use of Urea although there is probably other methods of improving diesel emissions, but more with the fact that if Adblue becomes unavailable then it renders the equipment that rely on it, illegal.
Your explanation certainly explains how fragile supply might be so it is doubly annoying that those who approve these systems do not have the foresight to even anticipate a problem when supply becomes limited or restricted.
Our government needs a more crosscut of secondary and trade tertiary representatives that might see what is going on and anticipate problems, rather than fill the parliament with those with mainly a legal background.
Buzz Lightbulb said
11:44 AM Dec 8, 2021
Rob Driver wrote:
......
Do these staffers come from the ACT.
They usually come with the politicians entourage.
norto said
12:24 PM Dec 8, 2021
I wonder if the Chinese saw the opportunity to become a "disrupter" some time ago as the world became more reliant on Urea.
They play a long game
Craig1 said
01:48 PM Dec 8, 2021
Well, we will now be well down the que, no official representation at the Winter Games, just announced.
yobarr said
01:53 PM Dec 8, 2021
Craig1 wrote:
Well, we will now be well down the que, no official representation at the Winter Games, just announced.
Hi Craig. "Well down the queue" you say.Heard we had been just been invited to join the Far Queue? Cheers
Clarky 1 said
03:14 PM Dec 8, 2021
norto wrote:
I wonder if the Chinese saw the opportunity to become a "disrupter" some time ago as the world became more reliant on Urea. They play a long game
I think you got that spot on norto
Aus-Kiwi said
08:49 AM Dec 9, 2021
Yes like they stop buying iron ore . Next they are buying the mines here ! When the mine companies are doing it tough !!
gdayjr said
10:34 AM Dec 9, 2021
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Well if you have an older VW diesel ? Its more the larger vehicles !! I find water injection keep my engine clean . They bring these EPA things in then it takes a few years to sort it out ! Look what happened when we stopped using leaded fuel. Our vehicles where terrible for a few years . Trouble is short trips dont help . More so on diesels !! Nomads tend to drive long then heaps of short trips !!
I know people that are already fooling the vehicles electronics to get around this.
Better not get caught doing it though the fines are pretty big.
AdBlue shortage most of it comes from China. Surprise surprise! Pissing in your tank will only give you 2% urea, you need 32%.
Luckily I'm petrol.
Not to mention the truckies, and possible lack of freight movements
All is not lost, I read that the first in command of the trucking industry, has alerted the second in command of the country, of this urgent problem
A spokesman for the second in command of the country, has said that he is monitoring the situation
Reading up on AdBlue I was quite surprised how much is required, about 3 - 6% of your diesel. Also only has a shelf life of 12 months, so don't buy too much, & cars won't start if they run out.
For those with more than an interest which involves the humour of pissing in a tank, there are ways and means to continue to use your diesel equipment.
This is just another example of we, as the general population, accepting something for the reason of saving the planet that is controlled by someone who has us all by the gonads with supply and price.
It amazes me how a government will introduce pollution specifications and make it law but when the system fails through supply or any other reason then fitting a bi pass system so that consumer may use his vehicle or equipment is illegal.
I guess this little piece of equipment will become popular. Just dont tell anyone you have one. Without shopping I see on some sites that they can be as cheap as 99 pounds in Britain.
www.cardiag.com/adblue-emulators-scr-systems/
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Monday 6th of December 2021 05:47:04 PM
Perfectly articulated and accurate
Maybe it is a wake up call relying on other countries for basic energy needs.Like a recent post on the grey nomads forum about Australia having no fuel making industry and only a three month supply if something happens.Our so called leaders wanting to pick a fight with China over the origins of the virus this shortage of adblue might only be the start of things to come.Someone up their needs to start thinking about national security because I dont think batteries and solar will be much help if we are drawn into a conflict
cheers
Apparently the PM has the power to keep things going if we run out of adblue. Deleting the adblue or remapping the engine is being considered.
Cheers
Totally agree that governments world wide only accepted the method of correcting exhaust emissions. Engine manufacturers came up with the solution ,be it good or bad.
So once there are millions of vehicles world wide that wont be able to be operated legally due to a belligerent country which will either control the world or be removed from future blackmail and covert control situations, the consumer finds it illegal to operate their vehicles.
Many of you on here think I am against improving air quality and if the truth be told I am not against it at all.
What I have been saying in many previous posts on different topics on here is that a government will jump in and follow blindly with new methods with absolutely no regard for repercussions or unforseen failures. Introducing new regulations, that are set by other people has been and will continue to be a problem when the take up of that system is interrupted by lack of supply of parts or raw materials.
Simple situation is that thousands of trucks every year cart Urea to farms as fertiliser. We need Urea to make Adblue but apparently we shut the plant that makes it to rely on getting it from China and including the raw material.
When, we as a country made this regulation to make us all feel warm and fuzzy did anyone stop and think for one moment that this will be a problem to all farmers let alone all diesel operators when the National supply of Urea is cut off.
Woah!! Back the truck up, we have plenty of Urea for farming but cant cart it.
Not only farmers of course but when Mum goes to Colesworths and there is no Corn Flakes available it is because the government made it illegal to operate the $200,000 prime mover without Adblue.
I have said this before, none of these new regulations to accept someone elses systems have been thought out to the fullest extent.
This is not a new thing happening, emission control in vehicles goes back into the mid *70s in Australia.
A simple example was the current Chrysler Valiant at the time had a basic method to improve C02 emissions from the exhaust.
Actually what they did was fit a temperature sensitive switch or solenoid which controlled the vacuum to the distributor to advance or retard the ignition timing dependant on engine temperature. This wasnt the only method built into the system by Chrysler but for all intents and purposes it worked for the improvement of the C02 readings over a set time period.
Well we may all guess what happened. This little pi$$ ant switch failed en mass and because it was illegal to operate the vehicle with the switch disconnected there were many hundreds of vehicles parked up for an extended period until these solenoid switches became available.
Is this fair to the consumer? NO.
Did any Government in the world care? NO
Did Australia learn from this? NO
I dont even think that this is funny when a similar situation is now happening 45 years later.
So when those who insist we all adopt what might seem to be good world practice can you please stop and think of all the potential problems and the financial penalties that will come about when it didnt work like the promoters and sale executives all tell us in those beautifully directed and produced brain washing videos.
At present the transport industry could be the industry that carrys the majority of the costs just so they can stay up and running.
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Tuesday 7th of December 2021 09:02:38 AM
Yes John, but isnt it always the way that no one wants to act until those concerned are forced to experience the angst of a failure of a government to correctly and accurately assess all aspects, both good and bad, of these new methods of emission control.
It just seems that whenever it involves vehicles our government is happy to force on all of us any system which is presented on a glossy brochure or video produced by the very people that stand to make the money from the new system.
As I have said before, we, Aus, do not need to rush in and follow on blindly because another country or worse, a manufacturer, says it is good.
. More so on diesels !! Nomads tend to drive long then heaps of short trips !!
@Aus-Kiwi,
I'm finding it a bit difficult to understand what you're trying to say.
By the 'cheapest option', do you mean that someone in 'high places' 'particularly ACT' decided to import ad blue rather than have it made here in Australia? If so, I have a bone to pick with that. If not, please ignore the following:
I have lived in the ACT and it's a really nice place to live. Especially when parliament is NOT sitting. There are very few federal politicians who represent and live in the ACT. The rest live out in the rest of Australia. The rest of Australia, not the ACT, voted in those politicians.
If you look at the politicians who are accused of rape, misogyny, travel rorts and other undesirable actions, you will see that most, if not all, come from outside of the ACT.
It's not the ACT that causes the problems. It's in parliament house where the undesirable decisions are made by politicians that are not ACTarians but unfortunately, come from outside of the ACT.
So please be more accurate in where your accusations are directed.
Once again, most of this has nothing to do with the Adblue shortage in Australia.
But on your off topic rant on politicians.
Your so called experience in Canberra and working within govt circles would have displayed to you that Parliament is elected by the people.
The parliament has to consist of those representatives from all over Australia and together with those members who do come from the ACT, all vote in the parliament.
Your ravings of alleged crimes currently being investigated in the ACT appear to involve politicians both from the senate and the lower house and,
surprise, surprise, Parliamentary staffers. Do these staffers come from the ACT. No wait a minute, we dont care. We hope one of those involved is not you.
No Urea.....how about Hydrogen???
I'm with Andrew Forrest on this....sooner the better.
Collo.
The dealers dont care !! They are making a killing $$$
Have to completely agree with you AK.
If I can go back to the post about the Valiant in 1976 the Australian requirement to comply was to have the engine run at a designated RPM on a Dyno for a nominated time with a C02 probe stuck up the exhaust. In those days it was easy for engine manufacturers to just fit tricky little solenoids and switches which reset mixture and ignition timing which then in turn cut the C0 emissions. All very good until any part of the system failed, then to drive the vehicle was illegal.
It was easy to tune those engines to comply by modifying internals and add ons like the type and brand of carburettor etc.
Apparently 45 years later we have still have a problem. Manufacturers are ruling governments with these emission requirements by promoting and fitting the cheapest system that their engineers can come up with and then ensuring that consumers pay for it in purchasing, operating and repairing these vehicles.
The improvement in the ICE has been incredible in extracting both power and fuel economy since we started being concerned about engine emissions.
Having said all of that, the biggest improvement was not so much with the engine but the switch to eliminate Leaded Petrol in petrol engines.
This is why the air is cleaner in most cities of the modern world today.
If we carried on with NG in trucks and industrial engines that we would be streets ahead today as well but it did not suit governments as the cash cow was not a big one.
I know, I know, you climate greenies dont agree but you cant see the Forrest for the trees, no pun intended.
-- Edited by Rob Driver on Tuesday 7th of December 2021 08:46:19 PM
Two years ago, Russia was the world's largest producer and exporter of urea. Their production hasn't slowed, China has just outpaced them.
India has never been a net exporter and is the world's largest importer of urea. In fact despite being one of the top urea producing countries ten years ago with their production still increasing about 9% per annum, their consumption is increasing about 10% per annum. India imports about half of China's urea export.
In 2020-21 four other countries (Russia, Qatar, Egypt and Saudi Arabia) export more urea in total than China and they have also slowed or stopped export in order to protect their domestic supply. The simple fact is urea has multiple uses and consumption has outstripped production just about everywhere in the world.
The world's urea export trade is about 10-12% of world production. The other 88-90% is used and traded domestically and was never available for import by Australia or any other country.
I've used a bit of rounding in my figures for ease of explanation but the scales of magnitude are well represented and all the figures come from published reports. If you're interested, don't look for automotive reports because AdBlue urea requirements are miniscule compared to agriculture and manufacturing so the stories we're seeing are 6 to 12 months late and skim over the details. Australian agriculture bodies and economists were informing members about the urea shortage in the first half of this year.
Thank you for a great explanation of the status of Urea and its supply and availability.
My annoyance is not the use of Urea although there is probably other methods of improving diesel emissions, but more with the fact that if Adblue becomes unavailable then it renders the equipment that rely on it, illegal.
Your explanation certainly explains how fragile supply might be so it is doubly annoying that those who approve these systems do not have the foresight to even anticipate a problem when supply becomes limited or restricted.
Our government needs a more crosscut of secondary and trade tertiary representatives that might see what is going on and anticipate problems, rather than fill the parliament with those with mainly a legal background.
They usually come with the politicians entourage.
They play a long game
Hi Craig. "Well down the queue" you say.Heard we had been just been invited to join the Far Queue? Cheers
I think you got that spot on norto
I know people that are already fooling the vehicles electronics to get around this.
Better not get caught doing it though the fines are pretty big.