Naturopathy is becoming more prevalent today than ever. Having had a good experience with one I thought Id share this. There are many others available, but just putting this one out there.
"Perhaps the best insight into the medical knowledge of a naturopath can be gained from the following statement by Dr. Wood in a letter to the American Mercury, August, 1950: "If atmospheric bacteria bring about disease as claimed by the medical profession, then why is it millions of Indians . . . bathe daily in the filthy Ganges river, a river teeming with billions of germs? . . . To my knowledge, there has never been a serious epidemic outbreak of any disease." To which Dr. Joseph Wassersug politely replied by pointing out that the death rate from infectious diseases in India is higher than almost anywhere else in the world, and that deadly epidemics of cholera, in some cases great enough to become world-wide, have been directly traced to bathing festivals in the Ganges. There is no indication, however, that this newly gained knowledge of India has induced naturopaths to stop flushing colons and pocketbooks."
-- Edited by dorian on Sunday 4th of September 2022 08:47:58 AM
Sandi Rogers said
07:03 PM Mar 1, 2023
The above quote 'There is no indication, however, that this newly gained knowledge of India has induced naturopaths to stop flushing colons and pocketbooks." is somewhat negative and incorrect as there are very few natural medicine practitioners who use colonics. Yes they are out there yet in small numbers. having been in clinical practice and as an educator for more than 40 years I certainly disagree with colonics. If we were intended to have our bowel flushed our creator, whomever that is (avoid debates about where we all came from) we would have been made with a funnel coming out of our head and evrey time it rained we would have an urge to get out into the weather for a flush.
Please do not put all natuopaths in one basket. I ask ' what do you think our communities would be like in relation to disease and illness if every natural medicine practitioenrs closed their doors'? The thought is horrifying to consider. So let us be respectful of the occupation.
Santa said
06:11 PM Mar 9, 2023
Naturopathy = quackery
Naturopathy, or naturopathic medicine, is a form of alternative medicine.[1] A wide array of pseudoscientific practices branded as "natural", "non-invasive", or promoting "self-healing" are employed by its practitioners, who are known as naturopaths. Difficult to generalize, these treatments range from outright quackery, like homeopathy, to widely accepted practices like certain forms of psychotherapy.[2][3][4] The ideology and methods of naturopathy are based on vitalism and folk medicine rather than evidence-based medicine, although practitioners may use techniques supported by evidence.[5][6][7]
Naturopathic practitioners commonly recommend against following modern medical practices, including but not limited to medical testing, drugs, vaccinations, and surgery.[8][9][10][11] Instead, naturopathic practice relies on unscientific notions, often leading naturopaths to diagnoses and treatments that have no factual merit.[12][13]
Naturopathy is considered by the medical profession to be ineffective and harmful, raising ethical issues about its practice.[12][14][15] In addition to condemnations and criticism from the medical community, such as the American Cancer Society,[16] naturopaths have repeatedly been denounced as and accused of being charlatans and practicing quackery.[12][17][18][19][20][21]
Naturopaths frequently campaign for legal recognition in the United States. Naturopathy is illegal in two U.S. states and tightly regulated in many others. Some states have lax regulations, however, and may allow naturopaths to perform minor surgery or even prescribe drugs. While some schools exist for naturopaths, and some jurisdictions allow such practitioners to call themselves doctors, the lack of accreditation, scientific medical training, and quantifiable positive results means they lack the competency of true medical doctors.
Possum3 said
06:41 PM Mar 9, 2023
Santa wrote:
Naturopathy = quackery
Some people still believe this fraud - I have witnessed several old comrades refuse surgery, chemo therapy and palliative care on the advice from these charlatans.
Money grubbing witches in my opinion.
Santa said
11:41 AM Mar 10, 2023
Some years ago I had a good friend diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, a rolfing practitioner in country NSW assured him he could cure his condition, my friend refused conventional medical treatment and underwent treatment by the rolfing guy, within 3 months he was dead.
I know the prognosis for pancreatic cancer is poor, however suspect conventional medicine may have given him a little more time, guess we will never know.
I feel sorry for people who receive a terminal diagnosis and are made outrageous promises by quacks, obviously they are desperate.
"Rolfing is a type of deep tissue manipulation that aims to relieve tension and treat medical conditions. Proponents state that it reorganizes connective tissue, or fascia, resulting in health benefits. However, there is a lack of evidence to support this claim.
Fascia is a type of tissue that surrounds muscles, nerves, and organs. The inventor of Rolfing, Dr. Ida Rolf, believed that working with this tissue could correct misalignments, which she viewed as the cause of various health problems."
I am a sceptic about most alternative therapies, but take the view that if the recipients are happy with the results they get that is all well & good.
All too often myself or my wife have taken the positive recommendations from others for this or that therapy & wasted our money. I might add - only those involving physical manipulation. Never the more, in our minds' bizarre ones. like crystal healing or stranger.
I also consider that many of these therapies are all about 'repeat business' - like the chiropractic with his little mechanical 'clicker' I once saw regularly until I accepted that my wife's name for him was probably accurate - 'Come-back Bill' she called him.
In hindsight he was never going to fix what was later diagnosed as an arthritic/neurological condition, & the manipulations whilst useful for many, only aggravated my neural-foraminal stenosis.
There was one stand out exception. To this day I remain very sceptical, & cannot explain the almost miraculous impact of a single session therapy I went to because I was desperate & the chap was both highly recommended & had a very solid reputation in the town we lived near. I was suffering disabling back pain & had been for some time. Friends recommended I see the chap in town who was a Bowen Therapist. I learned that in part his reputation came from two things mainly. 1. He was blind from birth & thus had a greater sense of 'touch' as a result, & 2. He regularly cured young babies of colic, & did so for no charge. Local mothers swore by him, supported by the local maternal & child health nurses.
I was intrigued enough to give a shot.
Half the session was him questioning me about my symptoms & their history. Quite appropriate.
But when he got me to lay down & he did his thing, I recall laying there thinking this is quite ridiculous, he's hardly doing anything. His 'massage' was no more than the lightest 'touch', no pressure applied.
When he finished he told me that my symptoms would improve, but that I should expect them to get worse before they got better. I thought he was full of bullsh*t & left thinking I had wasted my money.
The drive home was around 30 minutes. 5 minutes from home I was overcome by pain & had to stop for 15 minutes or so before I could continue. By the time I got home all pain & discomfort had gone & my body felt more comfortable than it had in weeks. And it lasted! I don't believe it was 'auto-suggestion' because I was so sceptical, but even if it was ....it worked!
Naturopathy is becoming more prevalent today than ever. Having had a good experience with one I thought Id share this. There are many others available, but just putting this one out there.
https://melaniejane.com.au/
https://quackwatch.org/?s&_sf_s=Naturopathy
Medical Cults: Naturopathy (Martin Gardner, December 20, 2008):
https://quackwatch.org/naturopathy/hx/gardner/
"Perhaps the best insight into the medical knowledge of a naturopath can be gained from the following statement by Dr. Wood in a letter to the American Mercury, August, 1950: "If atmospheric bacteria bring about disease as claimed by the medical profession, then why is it millions of Indians . . . bathe daily in the filthy Ganges river, a river teeming with billions of germs? . . . To my knowledge, there has never been a serious epidemic outbreak of any disease." To which Dr. Joseph Wassersug politely replied by pointing out that the death rate from infectious diseases in India is higher than almost anywhere else in the world, and that deadly epidemics of cholera, in some cases great enough to become world-wide, have been directly traced to bathing festivals in the Ganges. There is no indication, however, that this newly gained knowledge of India has induced naturopaths to stop flushing colons and pocketbooks."
-- Edited by dorian on Sunday 4th of September 2022 08:47:58 AM
Please do not put all natuopaths in one basket. I ask ' what do you think our communities would be like in relation to disease and illness if every natural medicine practitioenrs closed their doors'? The thought is horrifying to consider. So let us be respectful of the occupation.
Naturopathy, or naturopathic medicine, is a form of alternative medicine.[1] A wide array of pseudoscientific practices branded as "natural", "non-invasive", or promoting "self-healing" are employed by its practitioners, who are known as naturopaths. Difficult to generalize, these treatments range from outright quackery, like homeopathy, to widely accepted practices like certain forms of psychotherapy.[2][3][4] The ideology and methods of naturopathy are based on vitalism and folk medicine rather than evidence-based medicine, although practitioners may use techniques supported by evidence.[5][6][7]
Naturopathic practitioners commonly recommend against following modern medical practices, including but not limited to medical testing, drugs, vaccinations, and surgery.[8][9][10][11] Instead, naturopathic practice relies on unscientific notions, often leading naturopaths to diagnoses and treatments that have no factual merit.[12][13]
Naturopathy is considered by the medical profession to be ineffective and harmful, raising ethical issues about its practice.[12][14][15] In addition to condemnations and criticism from the medical community, such as the American Cancer Society,[16] naturopaths have repeatedly been denounced as and accused of being charlatans and practicing quackery.[12][17][18][19][20][21]
Naturopaths frequently campaign for legal recognition in the United States. Naturopathy is illegal in two U.S. states and tightly regulated in many others. Some states have lax regulations, however, and may allow naturopaths to perform minor surgery or even prescribe drugs. While some schools exist for naturopaths, and some jurisdictions allow such practitioners to call themselves doctors, the lack of accreditation, scientific medical training, and quantifiable positive results means they lack the competency of true medical doctors.
Some years ago I had a good friend diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, a rolfing practitioner in country NSW assured him he could cure his condition, my friend refused conventional medical treatment and underwent treatment by the rolfing guy, within 3 months he was dead.
I know the prognosis for pancreatic cancer is poor, however suspect conventional medicine may have given him a little more time, guess we will never know.
I feel sorry for people who receive a terminal diagnosis and are made outrageous promises by quacks, obviously they are desperate.
"Rolfing is a type of deep tissue manipulation that aims to relieve tension and treat medical conditions. Proponents state that it reorganizes connective tissue, or fascia, resulting in health benefits. However, there is a lack of evidence to support this claim.
Fascia is a type of tissue that surrounds muscles, nerves, and organs. The inventor of Rolfing, Dr. Ida Rolf, believed that working with this tissue could correct misalignments, which she viewed as the cause of various health problems."
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/rolfing
All too often myself or my wife have taken the positive recommendations from others for this or that therapy & wasted our money. I might add - only those involving physical manipulation. Never the more, in our minds' bizarre ones. like crystal healing or stranger.
I also consider that many of these therapies are all about 'repeat business' - like the chiropractic with his little mechanical 'clicker' I once saw regularly until I accepted that my wife's name for him was probably accurate - 'Come-back Bill' she called him.
In hindsight he was never going to fix what was later diagnosed as an arthritic/neurological condition, & the manipulations whilst useful for many, only aggravated my neural-foraminal stenosis.
There was one stand out exception. To this day I remain very sceptical, & cannot explain the almost miraculous impact of a single session therapy I went to because I was desperate & the chap was both highly recommended & had a very solid reputation in the town we lived near. I was suffering disabling back pain & had been for some time. Friends recommended I see the chap in town who was a Bowen Therapist. I learned that in part his reputation came from two things mainly. 1. He was blind from birth & thus had a greater sense of 'touch' as a result, & 2. He regularly cured young babies of colic, & did so for no charge. Local mothers swore by him, supported by the local maternal & child health nurses.
I was intrigued enough to give a shot.
Half the session was him questioning me about my symptoms & their history. Quite appropriate.
But when he got me to lay down & he did his thing, I recall laying there thinking this is quite ridiculous, he's hardly doing anything. His 'massage' was no more than the lightest 'touch', no pressure applied.
When he finished he told me that my symptoms would improve, but that I should expect them to get worse before they got better. I thought he was full of bullsh*t & left thinking I had wasted my money.
The drive home was around 30 minutes. 5 minutes from home I was overcome by pain & had to stop for 15 minutes or so before I could continue. By the time I got home all pain & discomfort had gone & my body felt more comfortable than it had in weeks. And it lasted! I don't believe it was 'auto-suggestion' because I was so sceptical, but even if it was ....it worked!