When riding a bicycle about a caravan park, do helmets have to be worn? the roadways may not be gazetted.
If so, does the park management have any responsibility regarding enforcing that rule?
-- Edited by iana on Friday 28th of October 2022 10:39:11 AM
Ivan 01 said
11:52 AM Oct 28, 2022
My guess would be that the wearing of a bike helmet is more than likely not compulsory by law in most caravan parks but in saying that I think that concussion can happen anywhere.
Then there may be a park with bike tracks for children so in this case I would say they would be compulsory.
It is probably easier just to wear them.
TravellerBob said
12:03 PM Oct 28, 2022
I would say that Yes you would be required to wear a hemet while cycling in a caravan park as you are in a public place. It also would not be the responsibility of the park manager to enforce the wearing of helmets.
A caravan park is not a gazzeted road but the road rules would still apply as it is a public place. Just like a car parking area at a shopping centre.
Mike Harding said
01:14 PM Oct 28, 2022
I suspect most caravan parks are private property and their roads are not gazetted therefore the road rules don't apply although I have a vague recollection alcohol limits for driving may?
Of course the owner of private property may impose almost any terms he wishes for its use.
I can't imagine park management have any "responsibility" for enforcement of laws but of course they can enforce their own rules by kicking you out if you will not conform.
I have this issue very occasionally with radio antennas - the park owner in Eden (NSW) maintained someone may strangle themselves on my antenna wire - I responded only if they were 8' tall, suicidal, drunk and stupid but he wasn't having it so I took down the antenna and left the next day. I really don't think these things are worth getting into conflict about, just walk the bike to the park entrance and then ride it without a helmet.
Bob: Some (most?) shopping centre car parks *are* gazetted at the request of centre owners specifically in order that road rules may be applied; speed, invalid parking and the like.
Edit: typo.
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Friday 28th of October 2022 01:15:39 PM
Plain Truth said
02:07 PM Oct 28, 2022
Holiday Haven Caravan Parks,have a Helmet policy.I am sure most do.
Australian Standards are not laws. Which is a significant part of the reason you are required to pay a substantial sum for the privilege of seeing what they say! Don't get me started on that one!
rgren2 said
02:30 PM Oct 28, 2022
iana wrote:
When riding a bicycle about a caravan park, do helmets have to be worn? the roadways may not be gazetted.
If so, does the park management have any responsibility regarding enforcing that rule?
-- Edited by iana on Friday 28th of October 2022 10:39:11 AM
Why wouldnt you wear one?
Magnarc said
02:41 PM Oct 28, 2022
You can still fall off a bike in a park laws or no laws. Wear the helmet, shouldn't even be a point for discussion.
TravellerBob said
03:04 PM Oct 28, 2022
Mike
I think that you will find that you are required to wear a hemet when riding a bike in a public place not just on a gazzetted road,
A caravan park , even if it is on private land is regarded as a public place.
The basic definition of a public place that I was taught was the a public place is any place that is open and used by the public on the payment of money or otherwise.
Also whilst on holiday a few years ago on the midnorth coast of NSW I was staying in a caravan park and observed the local police routinely patrolling the park . One night they stopped a car and breath tested tehe driver and took him away,
I spoke with the driver the next day and he had been charged with lower PCA, He was not a happy bloke, He had only driven from his campsite at the far end of the park to the shower block and was heading back to his camp when stopped.
Mike Harding said
03:25 PM Oct 28, 2022
TravellerBob wrote:
I think that you will find that you are required to wear a hemet when riding a bike in a public place not just on a gazzetted road, A caravan park , even if it is on private land is regarded as a public place.
A caravan park, generally, is certainly not a public place - that's why they can kick you out if they don't like you.
I don't ride a bike but if I did I wouldn't wear a helmet 'cause:
I got through my childhood without one
They're a pain to carry and organise
You look like a prat
I don't wrap myself in cotton wool
They're not significantly effective (I did Google it)
If you really want to maximise safety then wear a full face motorcycle helmet on your push bike - but you won't... will you :)
Take a risk people! Put a bit of spice into your life - go on, you can do it... we don't have much time left anyway
----
Vehicle wise; my most exhilarating experience has been riding a motorcycle at high speed in shorts and shirt on a warm day, no crash helmet... and worth every risk the cotton-woolers eschew :)
thomas01 said
03:57 PM Oct 28, 2022
It is quite obvious that nobody needs a bike helmet, until they do. When and where will that day be???
People can and do die from hitting their head on the ground when falling over. It can happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime.
You only look like a "prat" when you are lying on a bed in a hospital or mortuary with your head split open. Just wear it and be a role model for others.
Stay safe.
Robert.
Whenarewethere said
04:35 PM Oct 28, 2022
You are not required to wear a helmet if you ride a unicycle.
Whenarewethere said
04:45 PM Oct 28, 2022
Mike Harding wrote:
I got through my childhood without one
Same here,
I my school days I can't recall any students having a head injury.
In Europe I ride a bike without a helmet. In Australia I don't ride a bike.
Most caravan parks require you to wear a helmet if you ride a bicycle or scooter in the park. This is so that when you fall off your bike and break your skull while not wearing a helmet, you cant hold the park owner responsible. It is not the responsibility of the park owner to police it though.
Ivan 01 said
06:10 PM Oct 28, 2022
What did one helmet say to the other
I'll stay here, you go on a head.
Radar said
08:46 PM Oct 28, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
What did one helmet say to the other
I'll stay here, you go on a head.
Giggle, giggle, giggle.
gold dandelion said
12:57 AM Oct 29, 2022
I think it is a bit like WDH or whatever the weight thing is, your preference, what makes you comfortable. I ride fairly consistently and reasonable distances, sometimes around towns, mostly along train tracks and don't wear a helmet. I am happy with taking a punt. definitely wouldn't wear one around a caravan park, then again if I put my seat belt on while chugging around a park I might wear a helmet.
Possum3 said
06:43 AM Oct 29, 2022
Reminds me of old saying; "$10 Helmet = $10 Head".
-- Edited by Possum3 on Saturday 29th of October 2022 06:44:00 AM
Kebbin said
10:18 AM Oct 29, 2022
DMax would probably know for certain but as far as I understand it if a road is open to the public and has roads or tracks that are for the purpose of driving/riding then it is a road and Police can enter and fine anyone that breaks said laws.
iana said
11:39 AM Oct 29, 2022
I posted the question, with the idea of finding out what others made of the law. I live in a lifestyle village, and it sounded if OHS issues were going to (and still may) be raised. I noticed that most residents who rode bikes were not wearing helmets.
In order to understand the rules, I looked up the laws on the net. The statement I found says helmets must be worn on all roads and pathways, an earlier enquiry I made about the road markings in the village, brought the response was from management, was that the roads were not gazetted, so the road rules don't apply.
So then relating that statement against the WA bike rule, "What is a road, or a pathway". So, I put the question up on this forum. It appears that the ruling is confusing (as seen from the posts), and the persons who write these rules and regulations should go back and complete their education.
I shall drop my thoughts on the subject, as at the moment there appears to be no clear ruling.
We ourselves have bikes and helmets, I haven't ridden them yet, it was a bit of a shock getting back on a bike, not having ridden for thirty years or so.
Mike Harding said
01:53 PM Oct 29, 2022
iana wrote:
I posted the question, with the idea of finding out what others made of the law.
Almost certainly, details of this area of law will vary from state to state.
When riding a bicycle about a caravan park, do helmets have to be worn? the roadways may not be gazetted.
If so, does the park management have any responsibility regarding enforcing that rule?
-- Edited by iana on Friday 28th of October 2022 10:39:11 AM
Then there may be a park with bike tracks for children so in this case I would say they would be compulsory.
It is probably easier just to wear them.
I would say that Yes you would be required to wear a hemet while cycling in a caravan park as you are in a public place. It also would not be the responsibility of the park manager to enforce the wearing of helmets.
A caravan park is not a gazzeted road but the road rules would still apply as it is a public place. Just like a car parking area at a shopping centre.
I suspect most caravan parks are private property and their roads are not gazetted therefore the road rules don't apply although I have a vague recollection alcohol limits for driving may?
Of course the owner of private property may impose almost any terms he wishes for its use.
I can't imagine park management have any "responsibility" for enforcement of laws but of course they can enforce their own rules by kicking you out if you will not conform.
I have this issue very occasionally with radio antennas - the park owner in Eden (NSW) maintained someone may strangle themselves on my antenna wire - I responded only if they were 8' tall, suicidal, drunk and stupid but he wasn't having it so I took down the antenna and left the next day. I really don't think these things are worth getting into conflict about, just walk the bike to the park entrance and then ride it without a helmet.
Bob: Some (most?) shopping centre car parks *are* gazetted at the request of centre owners specifically in order that road rules may be applied; speed, invalid parking and the like.
Edit: typo.
-- Edited by Mike Harding on Friday 28th of October 2022 01:15:39 PM
Holiday Haven Caravan Parks,have a Helmet policy.I am sure most do.
Australian Standards are not laws. Which is a significant part of the reason you are required to pay a substantial sum for the privilege of seeing what they say! Don't get me started on that one!
Why wouldnt you wear one?
You can still fall off a bike in a park laws or no laws. Wear the helmet, shouldn't even be a point for discussion.
Mike
I think that you will find that you are required to wear a hemet when riding a bike in a public place not just on a gazzetted road,
A caravan park , even if it is on private land is regarded as a public place.
The basic definition of a public place that I was taught was the a public place is any place that is open and used by the public on the payment of money or otherwise.
Also whilst on holiday a few years ago on the midnorth coast of NSW I was staying in a caravan park and observed the local police routinely patrolling the park . One night they stopped a car and breath tested tehe driver and took him away,
I spoke with the driver the next day and he had been charged with lower PCA, He was not a happy bloke, He had only driven from his campsite at the far end of the park to the shower block and was heading back to his camp when stopped.
A caravan park, generally, is certainly not a public place - that's why they can kick you out if they don't like you.
Bike helmets
----
I don't ride a bike but if I did I wouldn't wear a helmet 'cause:
I got through my childhood without one
They're a pain to carry and organise
You look like a prat
I don't wrap myself in cotton wool
They're not significantly effective (I did Google it)
If you really want to maximise safety then wear a full face motorcycle helmet on your push bike - but you won't... will you :)
Take a risk people! Put a bit of spice into your life - go on, you can do it... we don't have much time left anyway
----
Vehicle wise; my most exhilarating experience has been riding a motorcycle at high speed in shorts and shirt on a warm day, no crash helmet... and worth every risk the cotton-woolers eschew :)
People can and do die from hitting their head on the ground when falling over. It can happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime.
You only look like a "prat" when you are lying on a bed in a hospital or mortuary with your head split open. Just wear it and be a role model for others.
Stay safe.
Robert.
You are not required to wear a helmet if you ride a unicycle.
Same here,
I my school days I can't recall any students having a head injury.
In Europe I ride a bike without a helmet. In Australia I don't ride a bike.
https://www.cnet.com/science/brain-surgeon-theres-no-point-wearing-cycle-helmets/
Most caravan parks require you to wear a helmet if you ride a bicycle or scooter in the park. This is so that when you fall off your bike and break your skull while not wearing a helmet, you cant hold the park owner responsible. It is not the responsibility of the park owner to police it though.
What did one helmet say to the other
I'll stay here, you go on a head.
Giggle, giggle, giggle.
Reminds me of old saying; "$10 Helmet = $10 Head".
-- Edited by Possum3 on Saturday 29th of October 2022 06:44:00 AM
In order to understand the rules, I looked up the laws on the net. The statement I found says helmets must be worn on all roads and pathways, an earlier enquiry I made about the road markings in the village, brought the response was from management, was that the roads were not gazetted, so the road rules don't apply.
So then relating that statement against the WA bike rule, "What is a road, or a pathway". So, I put the question up on this forum. It appears that the ruling is confusing (as seen from the posts), and the persons who write these rules and regulations should go back and complete their education.
I shall drop my thoughts on the subject, as at the moment there appears to be no clear ruling.
We ourselves have bikes and helmets, I haven't ridden them yet, it was a bit of a shock getting back on a bike, not having ridden for thirty years or so.
Almost certainly, details of this area of law will vary from state to state.