Great place, love it. Like all the other places that have been renamed it'll always be known as Ben Boyd. For example Gariwerd is still known as The Grampians to almost everyone. We love eating the oysters off the ocean rocks at Sal****er Creek.
Edit: The forum doesn't seem to like the missing letters.
-- Edited by 86GTS on Wednesday 9th of November 2022 10:44:53 AM
yobarr said
01:02 PM Nov 9, 2022
86GTS wrote:
Great place, love it. Like all the other places that have been renamed it'll always be known as Ben Boyd. For example Gariwerd is still known as The Grampians to almost everyone. We love eating the oysters off the ocean rocks at Sal****er Creek.
Edit: The forum doesn't seem to like the missing letters. -- Edited by 86GTS on Wednesday 9th of November 2022 10:44:53 AM
Seems the missing letters form an unacceptable word. "Salt Water" solves that problem! Cheers
msg said
10:32 PM Nov 9, 2022
How do you pronounce it?
shakey55 said
07:49 AM Nov 10, 2022
Just like Ayers Rock
Kebbin said
08:40 AM Nov 10, 2022
I have not come across a politician yet that deserves to have a landmark named after them but here in Australia we have done exactly that, I would suggest that in the past is was done for favour.
Ben Boyd was not only a Politician but a Slaver Entrepreneur to boot, ah the good 'ole days hey what.
Whenarewethere said
08:49 AM Nov 10, 2022
In the 1980s we got off the train at Otford. Walked to Era Beach, stayed in a friend's hut. We walked the coast track to Bundeena. Got ferry, then back on train to Circular Quay & ferry to Manly.
Sun rise Era Beach on film (transparency)
We will be a bit slower doing the coastal walk today!
Whenarewethere said
09:13 AM Nov 10, 2022
86GTS wrote:
The forum doesn't seem to like the missing letters.
The simplest way to get around this issue is to bold half the supposedly rude word.
Then click in the html tab & change strong & /strong to span & /span.
Saltwater > Saltwater
it doesn't like the combination of letters Saltwater within a word.
Look at the HTML (top right corner) tab on this post to see how to get around the problem.
Then you can write any rude word like cockatoo or Cocklebiddy. You may even need to buy a cock valve for plumbing which is a technical description for precise clarification.
-- Edited by Whenarewethere on Thursday 10th of November 2022 09:19:56 AM
Mike Harding said
01:28 PM Nov 10, 2022
I'm not usually a fan of these name changes which attempt to tipex out history but Ben Boyd was a particularly unpleasant character according to Wikipedia so, in this case, I'm pleased to see him go.
----
Salt.water - coc.katoo
If I notice the word contains such I usually just insert a period - humans can effortlessly filter it but the machine is too stupid to understand.
Who the hell ever wrote naughty word filtering software without understanding the concept of delimiting characters or strings should have his keyboard confiscated and subsequently inserted into his sal****er!
Mike Harding said
01:50 PM Nov 10, 2022
Kebbin wrote:
I have not come across a politician yet that deserves to have a landmark named after them
Oh... I think there are quite a few. Off the top of my head:
Mahatma Gandhi
Nelson Mandela
Winston Churchill
Aneurin Bevan
Herbert Hoover
Lech Walesa
Kemal Ataturk
Boris Yeltsin
Thomas Paine
....
86GTS said
10:04 AM Nov 11, 2022
Are they going to change the names of Boydtown, East Boyd, Twofold Bay, Green Cape, Disaster Bay etc.etc?
I doubt it.
Meredith said
05:31 PM Nov 11, 2022
86GTS wrote:
Are they going to change the names of Boydtown, East Boyd, Twofold Bay, Green Cape, Disaster Bay etc.etc? I doubt it.
There are already plans underway to rename Boydtown. Personally I agree with Mike, I'm pleased to see him go.
86GTS said
06:38 PM Nov 11, 2022
Same thing is happening in Gippsland VIC.
Scottish settlers like MacMillan killed many aborigines.
Place names are being changed & monuments relocated or got rid of altogether
Magnarc said
12:37 PM Nov 12, 2022
They can change as many place names as they like but, they cannot change History, it is what it is.
Cuppa said
05:17 PM Nov 12, 2022
Magnarc wrote:
They can change as many place names as they like but, they cannot change History, it is what it is.
Unfortunately these things are never simple. Australia's history post colonisation was changed & is currently in the process of changing again. What happened cannot change, but what is remembered & believed about what happened is a whole different ball game.
86GTS said
07:32 PM Nov 12, 2022
The danger is that if we change every location in Australia back to its first nations peoples original name we'll be completely lost as will the current generation of first nations people.
-- Edited by 86GTS on Saturday 12th of November 2022 07:34:48 PM
Cuppa said
09:15 PM Nov 12, 2022
At least the new name Beowa NP is one that's not too hard for us to get our tongues around compared to some.
KevinJ said
10:27 AM Nov 13, 2022
If we bury bad history like we are, we are bound to commit the same mistakes in the future because we will have no baseline to work from.
Cuppa said
12:16 PM Nov 13, 2022
KevinJ wrote:
If we bury bad history like we are, we are bound to commit the same mistakes in the future because we will have no baseline to work from.
Absolutely, but we humans seem to be very good at going around in circles & making the same mistakes over & over & will no doubt continue to do so. Amazes me how often advice/thinking is 'no good looking back, only forwards', because that is exactly the thinking which ensures the mistake cycle will continue.
Problems don't go away with time, they hang around & keep re-surfacing in many ways until they are addressed & resolved - even from generation to generation.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Sunday 13th of November 2022 12:17:09 PM
KevinJ said
12:20 PM Nov 13, 2022
The reason history repeats itself is because so many people didn't listen the first time.
Mike Harding said
12:33 PM Nov 13, 2022
KevinJ wrote:
If we bury bad history like we are, we are bound to commit the same mistakes in the future because we will have no baseline to work from.
A very fair point and the reason Auschwitz Concentration Camp has been retained.
Plain Truth said
08:16 PM Nov 13, 2022
The name change doesn't bother us.It is a great Park one of our favourites .
StewG said
02:02 PM Nov 14, 2022
Changing the names of places to recognise the original aboriginal names is in my view a worthy thing to do. Some colonisers/usurpers did adopt the local names for areas and some named places for their themselves, their sponsors or to curry favour. Some of those place names are named for less than meritorious people. That fact alone is not a reason for change, but if an aboriginal alternative is available, why not make a change. Australia has been occupied for many tens of thousands of years and the least that the current and future generations can do is try to preserve, absorb and understand that history. Renaming is a small step in that direction.
Ben Boyd National Park, now has a new name.
Great place, love it.
Like all the other places that have been renamed it'll always be known as Ben Boyd.
For example Gariwerd is still known as The Grampians to almost everyone.
We love eating the oysters off the ocean rocks at Sal****er Creek.
Edit: The forum doesn't seem to like the missing letters.
-- Edited by 86GTS on Wednesday 9th of November 2022 10:44:53 AM
Seems the missing letters form an unacceptable word. "Salt Water" solves that problem! Cheers
Ben Boyd was not only a Politician but a Slaver Entrepreneur to boot, ah the good 'ole days hey what.
In the 1980s we got off the train at Otford. Walked to Era Beach, stayed in a friend's hut. We walked the coast track to Bundeena. Got ferry, then back on train to Circular Quay & ferry to Manly.
Sun rise Era Beach on film (transparency)
We will be a bit slower doing the coastal walk today!
The simplest way to get around this issue is to bold half the supposedly rude word.
Then click in the html tab & change strong & /strong to span & /span.
Saltwater > Saltwater
it doesn't like the combination of letters Saltwater within a word.
Look at the HTML (top right corner) tab on this post to see how to get around the problem.
Then you can write any rude word like cockatoo or Cocklebiddy. You may even need to buy a cock valve for plumbing which is a technical description for precise clarification.
-- Edited by Whenarewethere on Thursday 10th of November 2022 09:19:56 AM
I'm not usually a fan of these name changes which attempt to tipex out history but Ben Boyd was a particularly unpleasant character according to Wikipedia so, in this case, I'm pleased to see him go.
----
Salt.water - coc.katoo
If I notice the word contains such I usually just insert a period - humans can effortlessly filter it but the machine is too stupid to understand.
Who the hell ever wrote naughty word filtering software without understanding the concept of delimiting characters or strings should have his keyboard confiscated and subsequently inserted into his sal****er!
Oh... I think there are quite a few. Off the top of my head:
Mahatma Gandhi
Nelson Mandela
Winston Churchill
Aneurin Bevan
Herbert Hoover
Lech Walesa
Kemal Ataturk
Boris Yeltsin
Thomas Paine
....
I doubt it.
There are already plans underway to rename Boydtown. Personally I agree with Mike, I'm pleased to see him go.
Scottish settlers like MacMillan killed many aborigines.
Place names are being changed & monuments relocated or got rid of altogether
They can change as many place names as they like but, they cannot change History, it is what it is.
Unfortunately these things are never simple. Australia's history post colonisation was changed & is currently in the process of changing again. What happened cannot change, but what is remembered & believed about what happened is a whole different ball game.
The danger is that if we change every location in Australia back to its first nations peoples original name we'll be completely lost as will the current generation of first nations people.
-- Edited by 86GTS on Saturday 12th of November 2022 07:34:48 PM
If we bury bad history like we are, we are bound to commit the same mistakes in the future because we will have no baseline to work from.
Absolutely, but we humans seem to be very good at going around in circles & making the same mistakes over & over & will no doubt continue to do so. Amazes me how often advice/thinking is 'no good looking back, only forwards', because that is exactly the thinking which ensures the mistake cycle will continue.
Problems don't go away with time, they hang around & keep re-surfacing in many ways until they are addressed & resolved - even from generation to generation.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Sunday 13th of November 2022 12:17:09 PM
The reason history repeats itself is because so many people didn't listen the first time.
A very fair point and the reason Auschwitz Concentration Camp has been retained.
The name change doesn't bother us.It is a great Park one of our favourites .