Hi off to cape york soon, is it ok to put a gas bottle in cabin of the ute or in the ute tub part that has a canopy but houses my dual battery system. thanks.
RickJ said
11:43 AM Apr 24, 2023
cobberdog wrote:
Hi off to cape york soon, is it ok to put a gas bottle in cabin of the ute or in the ute tub part that has a canopy but houses my dual battery system. thanks.
I would hazard a guess that you may not be asking if you didnt have a safety concern.
peter67 said
11:55 AM Apr 24, 2023
Not while you are sleeping. If there's a leak at night the gas is a non irritant and will not wake you up by making you cough, just put you to sleep forever.
Bobdown said
11:56 AM Apr 24, 2023
cobberdog wrote:
Hi off to cape york soon, is it ok to put a gas bottle in cabin of the ute or in the ute tub part that has a canopy but houses my dual battery system. thanks.
Gas should be stored in a separate section/container vented at the bottom thru the floor as well. Some front boots of vans used to have a small space sectioned off and vented.
yobarr said
12:13 PM Apr 24, 2023
Bobdown wrote:
cobberdog wrote:
Hi off to cape york soon, is it ok to put a gas bottle in cabin of the ute or in the ute tub part that has a canopy but houses my dual battery system. thanks.
Gas should be stored in a separate section/container vented at the bottom thru the floor as well. Some front boots of vans used to have a small space sectioned off and vented.
As Bob says, a vent through the floor is critical. When I bought my van there were two batteries in the front boot, along with two gas bottles. However, there was a dividing wall, sealed on 3 sides, between batteries and gas bottles, as well as a 2" hole in the floor of the gas bottle compartment. On the door was a recent Gas Safety Compliance certificate, or whatever it's called!
Can't check what it was actually called as I discarded all gas appliances when I installed a Solar system and a Diesel Heater to heat both van and water, scraping the sticker off door in the process.
Peter's comment about not sleeping in the back of the ute with gas bottles is pertinent.
You could wake up dead. Cheers
Mike Harding said
12:58 PM Apr 24, 2023
It's always better to have a gas bottle well vented, just in case of a leak, having said that I've carried disconnected gas bottles in enclosed vehicles over some decades with never an issue. I've also carried containers of petrol in the same manner. If I were to sleep in the vehicle I would probably move petrol and gas outside for the night.
Safety and common sense are important but the world is not full of exploding gas cylinders.
Cuppa said
01:27 PM Apr 24, 2023
As well as leaking, gas cylinders can vent if they become too hot especially if they have been a bit overfilled - & it does happen! One spark in an enclosed space & kaboom! We have a rear canopy but I chose to get an external gas bottle carrier made which bolts to the vehicle's chassis because I have electronics inside the canopy. Seeings that like us you have batteries & charging gear inside your canopy I'd play it safe. There was a ute which burned on the Cape last year because something in the rear moved & shorted out the batteries. They lost the ute. If it had been a canopy with a venting or leaking lp gas cylinder it's a pretty good bet they would have lost their lives too.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Monday 24th of April 2023 01:29:54 PM
When transporting gas in vehicle a bung should be inserted in aperture, most gas refillers will not even fill a bottle without a bung.
Even then gas should be carried in suitable fixture on caravan, never in an enclosed space.
yobarr said
02:37 PM Apr 24, 2023
Cuppa wrote:
As well as leaking, gas cylinders can vent if they become too hot especially if they have been a bit overfilled - & it does happen! One spark in an enclosed space & kaboom! We have a rear canopy but I chose to get an external gas bottle carrier made which bolts to the vehicle's chassis because I have electronics inside the canopy. Seeings that like us you have batteries & charging gear inside your canopy I'd play it safe. There was a ute which burned on the Cape last year because something in the rear moved & shorted out the batteries. They lost the ute. If it had been a canopy with a venting or leaking lp gas cylinder it's a pretty good bet they would have lost their lives too.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Monday 24th of April 2023 01:29:54 PM
Cuppa, I noticed that you use a DO35. Well done.
When I was building my canopy I installed a gas bottle in the same way you have, but the gas inspector said "naughty boy" because it was too close to exhaust pipe heat.
Mind you, I have an exhaust pipe on each side (V8) so I was advised to put the bottle on the roof rack atop the canopy. Strange?
At that point I decided it all was too hard, and discarded the whole gas setup, preferring to rely on campfires or the 240 volt system in the back of the car.
However, only 180ah of Lithium in the car has limitations too! Cheers
cobberdog said
02:47 PM Apr 24, 2023
Thanks for the replies, i was hoping that the new gas bottlles that have now added a shut-off valve could have been 100% safe. Will get a roof rack and g/b holder.
Cuppa said
02:51 PM Apr 24, 2023
yobarr wrote:
Cuppa wrote:
As well as leaking, gas cylinders can vent if they become too hot especially if they have been a bit overfilled - & it does happen! One spark in an enclosed space & kaboom! We have a rear canopy but I chose to get an external gas bottle carrier made which bolts to the vehicle's chassis because I have electronics inside the canopy. Seeings that like us you have batteries & charging gear inside your canopy I'd play it safe. There was a ute which burned on the Cape last year because something in the rear moved & shorted out the batteries. They lost the ute. If it had been a canopy with a venting or leaking lp gas cylinder it's a pretty good bet they would have lost their lives too.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Monday 24th of April 2023 01:29:54 PM
Cuppa, I noticed that you use a DO35. Well done.
When I was building my canopy I installed a gas bottle in the same way you have, but the gas inspector said "naughty boy" because it was too close to exhaust pipe heat.
Mind you, I have an exhaust pipe on each side (V8) so I was advised to put the bottle on the roof rack atop the canopy. Strange?
At that point I decided it all was too hard, and discarded the whole gas setup, preferring to rely on campfires or the 240 volt system in the back of the car.
However, only 180ah of Lithium in the car has limitations too! Cheers
My single exhaust is on the other side of the vehicle. If doing something like I have is not possible it doesn't leave many options other than on a roof rack, (mind you I have no room for one of those, my solar takes up most of the roof). My second DO35. I replaced a MK 1 with a Mk 3 after damaging the MK 1 by inadvertantly having the 'yoke' upside down & then jack knifing the rig to get myself out of a very tight spot at the Menindee lakes. It was still useable but the 'yoke was splayed apart too much. Manufacturer said it was only good for the bin. Mk 3 is far better.
Hi off to cape york soon, is it ok to put a gas bottle in cabin of the ute or in the ute tub part that has a canopy but houses my dual battery system. thanks.
I would hazard a guess that you may not be asking if you didnt have a safety concern.
Gas should be stored in a separate section/container vented at the bottom thru the floor as well. Some front boots of vans used to have a small space sectioned off and vented.
As Bob says, a vent through the floor is critical. When I bought my van there were two batteries in the front boot, along with two gas bottles. However, there was a dividing wall, sealed on 3 sides, between batteries and gas bottles, as well as a 2" hole in the floor of the gas bottle compartment. On the door was a recent Gas Safety Compliance certificate, or whatever it's called!
Can't check what it was actually called as I discarded all gas appliances when I installed a Solar system and a Diesel Heater to heat both van and water, scraping the sticker off door in the process.
Peter's comment about not sleeping in the back of the ute with gas bottles is pertinent.
You could wake up dead. Cheers
It's always better to have a gas bottle well vented, just in case of a leak, having said that I've carried disconnected gas bottles in enclosed vehicles over some decades with never an issue. I've also carried containers of petrol in the same manner. If I were to sleep in the vehicle I would probably move petrol and gas outside for the night.
Safety and common sense are important but the world is not full of exploding gas cylinders.
As well as leaking, gas cylinders can vent if they become too hot especially if they have been a bit overfilled - & it does happen! One spark in an enclosed space & kaboom! We have a rear canopy but I chose to get an external gas bottle carrier made which bolts to the vehicle's chassis because I have electronics inside the canopy. Seeings that like us you have batteries & charging gear inside your canopy I'd play it safe. There was a ute which burned on the Cape last year because something in the rear moved & shorted out the batteries. They lost the ute. If it had been a canopy with a venting or leaking lp gas cylinder it's a pretty good bet they would have lost their lives too.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Monday 24th of April 2023 01:29:54 PM
Even then gas should be carried in suitable fixture on caravan, never in an enclosed space.
Cuppa, I noticed that you use a DO35. Well done.
When I was building my canopy I installed a gas bottle in the same way you have, but the gas inspector said "naughty boy" because it was too close to exhaust pipe heat.
Mind you, I have an exhaust pipe on each side (V8) so I was advised to put the bottle on the roof rack atop the canopy. Strange?
At that point I decided it all was too hard, and discarded the whole gas setup, preferring to rely on campfires or the 240 volt system in the back of the car.
However, only 180ah of Lithium in the car has limitations too! Cheers
My single exhaust is on the other side of the vehicle. If doing something like I have is not possible it doesn't leave many options other than on a roof rack, (mind you I have no room for one of those, my solar takes up most of the roof). My second DO35. I replaced a MK 1 with a Mk 3 after damaging the MK 1 by inadvertantly having the 'yoke' upside down & then jack knifing the rig to get myself out of a very tight spot at the Menindee lakes. It was still useable but the 'yoke was splayed apart too much. Manufacturer said it was only good for the bin. Mk 3 is far better.