I live in WA and I am purchasing a brand new caravan in NSW, so it won't be licensed in NSW (I will have a 5 day travel permit). As we intend to pick up the caravan and travel up the East Coast, is it possible to license the caravan in WA while we are interstate? Any advise would be much appreciated.
Mein said
08:28 PM Jun 22, 2023
How is the number plate going to get to NSW from a WA Department of Transport office?
IF it were me, I would send the van purchase documents and receipt, together with a copy of my WA driver licence and copy of secondary I.D. by urgent / priority mail to a friend or relative in WA for them to undertake the registration process on my behalf and then post the number plate to me in NSW.
Possum3 said
09:37 PM Jun 22, 2023
A solicitor may be able to effect the registration for you, but you will need some way of obtaining plate before expiry of travel permit.
Personally, I would never go touring with a brand new caravan - there are too many horror stories of things going wrong with brand new vans. Check the horror list on Lemon Caravans and RV's Facebook site.
Dhutime said
11:16 PM Jun 22, 2023
I could be wrong but I believe that the van will have to be inspected and passed in WA for it to have WA plates . At least that is what we had to do with a used caravan.
Greg 1 said
02:19 AM Jun 23, 2023
To license a new van in WA you have to have it inspected by an authorised WA inspection centre.
This makes doing what you want to do almost impossible as you can only bring it back to WA on movement permits which give you limited time.
You cannot register it in NSW as you are not a resident.
Note too that WA does not recognise other States movement permits, so unless you have a WA one as well, the moment you cross the WA border you are towing an unregistered van with all the penalties that can be applied if pulled over.
It is a real pain in the nether regions as you used to be able to get it registered in the State of purchase, have a holiday and reregister it in WA when you got home but the State muppets have put paid to that.
I have been through this very process with our current van so know the ropes. The only hope you might have is to approach the Dept of Transport well before you travel to NSW and see if they might offer a solution. Government wheels grind slowly so give yourself plenty of time. Don't go in a few days before and expect a result. You might get it but allowing plenty of time is a wise move.
Gundog said
07:28 AM Jun 23, 2023
Simple solution was done by a mate who purchased a new van in Tassie, he is a Queenslander and like most states they are little pain in the butt to deal with.
His solution was the dealer registered the van in their name and then signed a transfer of ownership, so he able to continue to wander around for 5 months before getting back to Qld.
Cuppa said
08:33 AM Jun 23, 2023
If you know anyone in Qld (or possibly NSW?) who is willing to sign a form giving you permission to use their address as a 'garaging address' you can register it in that state. Later when you return to your home state it will need to be inspected prior to registration there. At least that is the process I intend to follow with the purchase of a used vehicle in Qld & later transferring registraion to Vic. I suspect that may be how Gundog's mate's dealer did things (ie. provided a garaging address?)
Be very careful doing that.
I tried that tack of getting the new van registered in Victoria first by the dealer and then transferred to me but that doesn't work with a new van.
The moment it is transferred it is considered unregistered as you are not a resident and WA does not recognise the registration.
They have it well sown up.
You can do that and be blissfully unaware that you are towing what is considered to be an unregistered vehicle.
Been there tried that.
Granty said
12:58 PM Jun 23, 2023
I think you will need to register it in NSW first then when you get home to WA you will need to put it over the pit and re register it. You should get a rebate on your NSW rego. Also that way you can take your time coming home.
yobarr said
02:18 PM Jun 23, 2023
Greg 1 wrote:
Be very careful doing that. I tried that tack of getting the new van registered in Victoria first by the dealer and then transferred to me but that doesn't work with a new van. The moment it is transferred it is considered unregistered as you are not a resident and WA does not recognise the registration. They have it well sown up. You can do that and be blissfully unaware that you are towing what is considered to be an unregistered vehicle. Been there tried that.
Good advice Greg. Easiest IMO is, if you have trusted contacts/friends/family in NSW , register and insure it in their name until you get back to WA, then put it over pits, register it and put it in your name. Cheers
Greg 1 said
02:32 PM Jun 23, 2023
Granty, no not unless as yobarr has said, register in someone else's name who is a resident of NSW and then transfer it when home in WA.
You CANNOT register it in your own name as you are not a resident of NSW and certainly WA does not recognise this, so once over the border you are towing an unregistered van.
WA doesn't even recognise other States movement permits so bringing home a van from the east requires movement permits from both the Eastern States and WA.
I have been through all of this with our last van. Very frustrating I know but that's the brave new world we are forced to live in.
Possum3 said
02:32 PM Jun 23, 2023
Note, stamp duty and registration costs are astronomical in N.S.W., so too is Insurance on an NSW registered van.
Pen n pep said
06:49 PM Jun 23, 2023
Thanks to everyone for your help in this, will have to contact DoT here WA. Thanks again.
DMaxer said
08:40 AM Jun 24, 2023
Hi Pen n Pep. I am sure you will enjoy your new caravan and I hope you have many happy travels.
Most of the advice given to you is well meaning but totally incorrect. The best course of action is to go into your local version of the Motor Registry and just tell them what you intend to do regarding your purchase and east coast travel. They will give you the correct advice and then all you have to do is just follow it. It might be expensive and not what you wanted to do but one does not have the choice of obeying only the rules, regulations and laws that suit.
The advice that you should find a friend or family member and register and insure the van in their name is stupid but worse still, criminal. It would involve you and the participating friend or family member first of all making false declarations and thereby committing fraud in attempting to dud the State out of money it should be receiving. Should you have an accident and try to make a claim, do you really think insurance companies are that stupid they would not be suspicious of an interstate driver driving someone's new caravan. Any claim would involve further false declarations by not only yourself but the friend or family member and a further attempt at fraud.
People go to gaol for making false declarations about who was the driver in speeding camera offences so what do you think would happen in the above scenario.
Do it correctly and enjoy your trip. The States all have their own version of a caravan park for those who try to dud the system.
Cuppa said
09:58 AM Jun 24, 2023
I think you are correct that the best way forward is for the OP to enquire with the relevant roads authority Dmaxer.
When I was previously looking to buy and register a vehicle in Qld (I have a Vic licence) I could find nothing helpful online at all. A phone call to Qld Roads dept resulted in "Oh that's easy, you just need 'Form F440D' (Qld Garaging address Statement).
NSW may be different but I'd suggest that it is highly likely that this will not be the first time someone has been in the position of the OP, & that there will be a legal & acceptable way to do what is required.
Quite possible that the WA roads authority may be similarly helpful.
It seems that such things are often not 'advertised' but when specifically asked there are solutions.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Saturday 24th of June 2023 10:00:08 AM
woolman said
11:47 AM Jun 24, 2023
My solution was to have licenced by dealer with your email as contact for renewals. When next in WA have the van inspected and change address. No additional stamp duty is paid.
I found that WA would not accept an inspection from other than a WA registered inspection sites, even with a new van.
Neil
yobarr said
12:10 PM Jun 24, 2023
DMaxer wrote:
Hi Pen n Pep. I am sure you will enjoy your new caravan and I hope you have many happy travels.
Most of the advice given to you is well meaning but totally incorrect. The best course of action is to go into your local version of the Motor Registry and just tell them what you intend to do regarding your purchase and east coast travel. They will give you the correct advice and then all you have to do is just follow it. It might be expensive and not what you wanted to do but one does not have the choice of obeying only the rules, regulations and laws that suit.
The advice that you should find a friend or family member and register and insure the van in their name is stupid but worse still, criminal. It would involve you and the participating friend or family member first of all making false declarations and thereby committing fraud in attempting to dud the state out of money it should be receiving. Should you have an accident and try to make a claim, do you really think insurance companies are that stupid they would not be suspicious of an interstate driver driving someone elses new caravan. Any claim would involve further false declarations by not only yourself but the friend or family member and a further attempt at fraud.
People go to gaol for making false declarations about who was the driver in speeding camera offences so what do you think would happen in the above scenario.
Do it correctly and enjoy your trip. The States all have their own version of a caravan park for those who try to dud the system.
Very interesting assertions above. If I have a WA licence and wish to buy an $80,000 van in NSW, surely there is nothing illegal or fraudulent in me putting $80,000 into the bank account of my good mate Bob, who then buys the van in his name, insures it in his name, and then "loans" the van to me. Off I go, touring Australia.
When I get back to WA Bob then decides to sell the van to me, gives me a receipt, cancels the insurance, and Bobs your Uncle.
Would be interested to learn what "false declarations" are involved here? How does this "dud the State out of money it should be receiving"?
As far as the insurance company being "suspicious of an interstate driver driving someone elses new caravan", what on Earth do you believe to be amiss here?. Are you suggesting that if I buy a new van in WA and Bob drives his NSW registered car to pick the van from Perth to tow to NSW, then that would be seen as "suspicious"?
Certainly if there are "proper" ways of buying a van interstate then I would be interested to hear of them, but Cuppa's experience is similar to one that I had when I bought a Landcruiser in NSW, but couldn't register there because I hold a Qld licence.
Trying to deal with two different Motor Registries to determine the best course of action was an exercise in futility.
Putting the registration and insurance in a friends name solved that problem. Job done. Cheers.
DMaxer said
12:16 PM Jun 24, 2023
If you did it that way then it probably would not be a problem. There would be duty to pay on the transfer of ownership. However, if the motive is to defraud the state from revenue it should or would have collected then it is fraud. It would then follow that the insurance would be voided. All that chicanery just to save a few bob that one is required to pay.
However Yobarr, that is not the scenario you first mentioned. Like most things, when you are called out, you then rearrange the narrative to to suit your new position.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Saturday 24th of June 2023 12:35:19 PM
yobarr said
12:37 PM Jun 24, 2023
DMaxer wrote:
If you did it that way then it probably would not be a problem. There would be duty to pay on the transfer of ownership.
However Yobarr, that is not the scenario you first mentioned. Like most things, when you are called out, you then rearrange the narrative to to suit your new position.
Indeed! Perhaps you would be kind enough to reveal in what way you believe that this is "not the scenario you first mentioned". Apart from my second post providing enough detail for even the slowest of learners to understand, the post below seems to give the exact same advice.
No need to complicate a relatively simple procedure, surely, as we are only trying to help a fellow GN. Cheers
In Qld at least, it is not necessary to get a vehicle registered in someone elses name if your driving licence is from another state & you have permission to use a Qld address as a garaging address. You can obtain a CRN in Queensland by providing proof of identity (your out of state Driver's licence). Your licence must be shown in person - a copy or photo is not acceptable. In my case I was able to present my identity documents (Drivers Licence/Passport/Medicare Card) at a Police Station, & that was considered acceptable by Qld Roads dept. Normally the CRN (Customer Reference Number) in Qld is the same as that on a person's Queensland licence, but in my case a CRN was generated without a licence being issued.
NSW may or may not have similar. Asking the NSW authority is the easiest way once (& if) you can secure a Qld address.
I live in WA and I am purchasing a brand new caravan in NSW, so it won't be licensed in NSW (I will have a 5 day travel permit). As we intend to pick up the caravan and travel up the East Coast, is it possible to license the caravan in WA while we are interstate? Any advise would be much appreciated.
How is the number plate going to get to NSW from a WA Department of Transport office?
IF it were me, I would send the van purchase documents and receipt, together with a copy of my WA driver licence and copy of secondary I.D. by urgent / priority mail to a friend or relative in WA for them to undertake the registration process on my behalf and then post the number plate to me in NSW.
Personally, I would never go touring with a brand new caravan - there are too many horror stories of things going wrong with brand new vans. Check the horror list on Lemon Caravans and RV's Facebook site.
This makes doing what you want to do almost impossible as you can only bring it back to WA on movement permits which give you limited time.
You cannot register it in NSW as you are not a resident.
Note too that WA does not recognise other States movement permits, so unless you have a WA one as well, the moment you cross the WA border you are towing an unregistered van with all the penalties that can be applied if pulled over.
It is a real pain in the nether regions as you used to be able to get it registered in the State of purchase, have a holiday and reregister it in WA when you got home but the State muppets have put paid to that.
I have been through this very process with our current van so know the ropes. The only hope you might have is to approach the Dept of Transport well before you travel to NSW and see if they might offer a solution. Government wheels grind slowly so give yourself plenty of time. Don't go in a few days before and expect a result. You might get it but allowing plenty of time is a wise move.
Simple solution was done by a mate who purchased a new van in Tassie, he is a Queenslander and like most states they are little pain in the butt to deal with.
His solution was the dealer registered the van in their name and then signed a transfer of ownership, so he able to continue to wander around for 5 months before getting back to Qld.
www.support.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/formsdat.nsf/forms/QF4408/$file/F4408_CFD.pdf
Good advice Greg. Easiest IMO is, if you have trusted contacts/friends/family in NSW , register and insure it in their name until you get back to WA, then put it over pits, register it and put it in your name. Cheers
Thanks to everyone for your help in this, will have to contact DoT here WA. Thanks again.
Hi Pen n Pep. I am sure you will enjoy your new caravan and I hope you have many happy travels.
Most of the advice given to you is well meaning but totally incorrect. The best course of action is to go into your local version of the Motor Registry and just tell them what you intend to do regarding your purchase and east coast travel. They will give you the correct advice and then all you have to do is just follow it. It might be expensive and not what you wanted to do but one does not have the choice of obeying only the rules, regulations and laws that suit.
The advice that you should find a friend or family member and register and insure the van in their name is stupid but worse still, criminal. It would involve you and the participating friend or family member first of all making false declarations and thereby committing fraud in attempting to dud the State out of money it should be receiving. Should you have an accident and try to make a claim, do you really think insurance companies are that stupid they would not be suspicious of an interstate driver driving someone's new caravan. Any claim would involve further false declarations by not only yourself but the friend or family member and a further attempt at fraud.
People go to gaol for making false declarations about who was the driver in speeding camera offences so what do you think would happen in the above scenario.
Do it correctly and enjoy your trip. The States all have their own version of a caravan park for those who try to dud the system.
I think you are correct that the best way forward is for the OP to enquire with the relevant roads authority Dmaxer.
When I was previously looking to buy and register a vehicle in Qld (I have a Vic licence) I could find nothing helpful online at all. A phone call to Qld Roads dept resulted in "Oh that's easy, you just need 'Form F440D' (Qld Garaging address Statement).
NSW may be different but I'd suggest that it is highly likely that this will not be the first time someone has been in the position of the OP, & that there will be a legal & acceptable way to do what is required.
Quite possible that the WA roads authority may be similarly helpful.
It seems that such things are often not 'advertised' but when specifically asked there are solutions.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Saturday 24th of June 2023 10:00:08 AM
My solution was to have licenced by dealer with your email as contact for renewals. When next in WA have the van inspected and change address. No additional stamp duty is paid.
I found that WA would not accept an inspection from other than a WA registered inspection sites, even with a new van.
Neil
Very interesting assertions above. If I have a WA licence and wish to buy an $80,000 van in NSW, surely there is nothing illegal or fraudulent in me putting $80,000 into the bank account of my good mate Bob, who then buys the van in his name, insures it in his name, and then "loans" the van to me. Off I go, touring Australia.
When I get back to WA Bob then decides to sell the van to me, gives me a receipt, cancels the insurance, and Bobs your Uncle.
Would be interested to learn what "false declarations" are involved here? How does this "dud the State out of money it should be receiving"?
As far as the insurance company being "suspicious of an interstate driver driving someone elses new caravan", what on Earth do you believe to be amiss here?. Are you suggesting that if I buy a new van in WA and Bob drives his NSW registered car to pick the van from Perth to tow to NSW, then that would be seen as "suspicious"?
Certainly if there are "proper" ways of buying a van interstate then I would be interested to hear of them, but Cuppa's experience is similar to one that I had when I bought a Landcruiser in NSW, but couldn't register there because I hold a Qld licence.
Trying to deal with two different Motor Registries to determine the best course of action was an exercise in futility.
Putting the registration and insurance in a friends name solved that problem. Job done. Cheers.
If you did it that way then it probably would not be a problem. There would be duty to pay on the transfer of ownership. However, if the motive is to defraud the state from revenue it should or would have collected then it is fraud. It would then follow that the insurance would be voided. All that chicanery just to save a few bob that one is required to pay.
However Yobarr, that is not the scenario you first mentioned. Like most things, when you are called out, you then rearrange the narrative to to suit your new position.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Saturday 24th of June 2023 12:35:19 PM
Indeed! Perhaps you would be kind enough to reveal in what way you believe that this is "not the scenario you first mentioned". Apart from my second post providing enough detail for even the slowest of learners to understand, the post below seems to give the exact same advice.
No need to complicate a relatively simple procedure, surely, as we are only trying to help a fellow GN. Cheers
NSW may or may not have similar. Asking the NSW authority is the easiest way once (& if) you can secure a Qld address.
Spot on, dont listen to all the know alls