We recently were heading from home in Melbourne to Adelaide and discovered part-way there at the Grampians that there was a serious crack in the part of the chassis supporting the undercarriage. Not wishing to tow any further for safety reasons we stopped in a nearby caravan park. The insurance company has rejected our claim (wear and tear - structural damage) so we need to transport the caravan back to home or to a repairer. Do you have any recent recommendations for caravan transporters and/or vehicle engineers in Melbourne who can help us to retrieve the caravan and get certified repairs done to guarantee trouble free travelling in the future?
Bicyclecamper said
12:09 PM Apr 1, 2024
Are you a member of RACV, or otherwise google is your friend here.
StewG said
01:31 PM Apr 1, 2024
Sadly, I am a member of RACV for over 50 years and RACV Insurance is the insurer of the Caravan. We have had no joy at all with RACV. Roadside Assist (Total Care) curiously refused to transport the van (within Victoria) and RACV Insurance rejected my claim. Duck Duck Go is my search engine of choice and has come up with a list of approved (Vehicle Assessment Signatory Scheme) engineers/repairers, but I'm seeking recommendations. Maybe I'll try Roadside assist again because they refused when I had the (unaccepted) claim with RACV Insurance at the time. This started two weeks ago and has been hindered by Easter and slow moving insurance process.
Gundog said
02:06 PM Apr 1, 2024
Surely a caravan dealership in Horsham could direct you to an engineering workshop, who could carry out the necessary repairs without the added expense of transporting it to your home base.
Either Horsham or Stawell would have a welder who could do the job, depending on the location of the size of the crack, you may be able to tow it to the nearest facility, get some advice if it is safe to do so.
Ps RACV total car package should cover the cost of transportation to the nearest repairer.
Bicyclecamper said
02:10 PM Apr 1, 2024
How old is the van, if it not far out of warranty, maybe you have an avenue there, it shouldn't just crack from normal wear and tear, so it should really be an insurance issue It might be worth contacting the Insurance Council to verify for sure that this sort of issue is really part of the "Normal wear and tear" reason. I have memory of other people getting insurance cover for this type of problem, so I would at lease go back and get them to clarify why they deem it normal wear and tear. And also Racv should be towing it for you.
StewG said
02:59 PM Apr 1, 2024
I am currently in Ballarat and it seems that Roadside Assist will now talk to me since the insurance claim is rejected. The exclusions in the PDS are fairly clear on "wear and tear". I might have a valid claim under warranty if I wanted to beat my head against a brick wall or hire an expensive lawyer; neither of which appeals to me. The van is 7 years old and chassis warranted for 5 years by the manufacturer, JB Caravans. So right now I'm looking at possible repairers in Ballarat. Thanks for your suggestions, Ric and Gundog. I'm feeling somewhat unenthusiastic at present and responses on this forum certainly help to improve my mood.
I don't think so, and as confirmed by StewG the PDS mentions it as an exclusion.
If the crack was caused by hitting something, then that could be deemed an accident and then it should be covered by insurance. However, to me, wear and tear does not fit either. A caravan chassis should not crack with nornal use. So if it is not accidental damage, that would point to either design, workmanship or materials. All of those should be manufacturer responsibilty. If it is not a major repair it is probably not worth pursuing. But if it is, then it would be worth trying the manufacturer. Probably not easy.
StewG said
05:02 PM Apr 1, 2024
To speculate, the crack may have been initiated by hitting a bad pot-hole or through severe corrugated roads. Either way it should not have happened if the design and construction was adequate. The van has never been overloaded because I have weighed it on many trips and kept a rough tally of contents each trip to ensure that it is legal and reasonably balanced. With a maximum permissible payload of 489kg and a typical payload of 350-450kg, it is not overloaded. The crack has started from a weld and progressed up both sides of a box beam. The fact that the crack was hidden by electrical cables prevented early detection during servicing. So I have no way of knowing how long the initial crack existed. It only became obvious when we stopped to re-fuel and friends travelling behind our van said that the off-side wheel was on a funny angle.
Bill B said
05:16 PM Apr 1, 2024
Have you contacted JB to get their view on the matter ?
StewG said
07:25 PM Apr 1, 2024
Contacting JB now.
dogbox said
07:41 PM Apr 1, 2024
if your in touch with a repair company i'm sure they will be able to organize some way to get the job to them. the question would be who would be footing the bill?
StewG said
08:55 PM Apr 1, 2024
Tentatively, RACV Total Care may agree to transport the van to a repairer at no or reduced charge depending on an inspection of the van by Roadside Assist - yet to be arranged because I am two hours drive from the van and it cannot be moved without me being there.
Cassie63 said
06:42 PM Apr 2, 2024
Any welding shop can do the repair. If you have top roadside assistance cover you should be covered.
jegog said
07:30 PM Apr 2, 2024
The warranty was for five years but responsibility does not abruptly end at five years.
Consumer affairs took Apple to court and won because the cost of the product also needs to be taken into account. And the warranty needs to taper down not abruptly end.
Contact consumer affairs for device.
I would think that the manufacturer could be persuaded to cough up for part of the repair.
How do we know that the crack was not there when it was new and just kept propagating.
If it was not there one day and there the next the3n there must be a cause for it to happen.
Whate3ver, this is not fair wear and tear.
Greg 1 said
07:12 PM Apr 3, 2024
That crack has been caused by the poor weld if the other side of the suspension is anything to go by.
It has propergated from the end of the weld in the heat zone.
To repair that it will require a properly designed gusset plate welded over the chassis tube once it has been straightened. The gussets should not have square ends but rather arrow shaped to spread the loads correctly along the rail. An engineer can advise.
Unfortunately chassis manufacturers often employ semi skilled welders to do structural work. A properly trained coded welder would have done a proper job of it instead of the handyman effort on that chassis.
The stresses on independent suspension arms and pickup points can be very high on a heavy van and I often wonder how much engineering is done by a suitably qualified engineer in the design and construction of some of these.
StewG said
09:43 AM Apr 5, 2024
An update:
The manufacturer of the caravan have agreed to repair the failure and RACV have agreed to transport the van to the repairer. I will report back after the various tasks are done. A special Thank You to all posters above. You have given me good advice and information and certainly eased some of the pain. This is the value that the Grey Nomads Forum delivers. Thank you all.
We recently were heading from home in Melbourne to Adelaide and discovered part-way there at the Grampians that there was a serious crack in the part of the chassis supporting the undercarriage. Not wishing to tow any further for safety reasons we stopped in a nearby caravan park. The insurance company has rejected our claim (wear and tear - structural damage) so we need to transport the caravan back to home or to a repairer. Do you have any recent recommendations for caravan transporters and/or vehicle engineers in Melbourne who can help us to retrieve the caravan and get certified repairs done to guarantee trouble free travelling in the future?
Surely a caravan dealership in Horsham could direct you to an engineering workshop, who could carry out the necessary repairs without the added expense of transporting it to your home base.
Either Horsham or Stawell would have a welder who could do the job, depending on the location of the size of the crack, you may be able to tow it to the nearest facility, get some advice if it is safe to do so.
Ps RACV total car package should cover the cost of transportation to the nearest repairer.
I am currently in Ballarat and it seems that Roadside Assist will now talk to me since the insurance claim is rejected. The exclusions in the PDS are fairly clear on "wear and tear". I might have a valid claim under warranty if I wanted to beat my head against a brick wall or hire an expensive lawyer; neither of which appeals to me. The van is 7 years old and chassis warranted for 5 years by the manufacturer, JB Caravans. So right now I'm looking at possible repairers in Ballarat.
Thanks for your suggestions, Ric and Gundog. I'm feeling somewhat unenthusiastic at present and responses on this forum certainly help to improve my mood.
I don't think so, and as confirmed by StewG the PDS mentions it as an exclusion.
If the crack was caused by hitting something, then that could be deemed an accident and then it should be covered by insurance. However, to me, wear and tear does not fit either. A caravan chassis should not crack with nornal use. So if it is not accidental damage, that would point to either design, workmanship or materials. All of those should be manufacturer responsibilty. If it is not a major repair it is probably not worth pursuing. But if it is, then it would be worth trying the manufacturer. Probably not easy.
Consumer affairs took Apple to court and won because the cost of the product also needs to be taken into account. And the warranty needs to taper down not abruptly end.
Contact consumer affairs for device.
I would think that the manufacturer could be persuaded to cough up for part of the repair.
How do we know that the crack was not there when it was new and just kept propagating.
If it was not there one day and there the next the3n there must be a cause for it to happen.
Whate3ver, this is not fair wear and tear.
The manufacturer of the caravan have agreed to repair the failure and RACV have agreed to transport the van to the repairer. I will report back after the various tasks are done. A special Thank You to all posters above. You have given me good advice and information and certainly eased some of the pain. This is the value that the Grey Nomads Forum delivers. Thank you all.