I'm no expert, how can a talkfest change the problem.
Gundog said
09:30 AM Apr 29, 2024
I'm seriously confused after the rallies on the weekend to get governments to change society to protect women from Aholes killing their partners.
No amount of new laws can render a solution for the problem, the red cloud of fury prevents these low lifes to consider anything other than their perceive right to extract revenge.
At first I considered this tobe a 21st centuary problem, but in reality this is a historical problem. These crimes are quickly broadcast over all types of media we all become aware of these sad events, where in the past that was a one night story on the 6 0'Çlock news.
No grandstanding talkfest can find the solution, unfortunatly we only hear the grim heart breaking loss of another mother, daughter, sister, wife or girlfriend. But what we need is a taskforce of specialist investigators to gather the backstory on every murder of this type for the last 5 or 10 years to see if there a common thread to these senseless killings.
Joda said
09:44 AM Apr 29, 2024
Totally agree, I think it relates back to the upbringing of boys in the family home, My father treated women with old school respect, if me or my brother did anything to upset our mother He soon taught us to have RESPECT for women, it has to start in the family home, might sound old fashioned but it worked!
Craig1 said
10:13 AM Apr 29, 2024
There was an extensive enquiry and collation of these incidents/ deaths etc done in 2019, BUT, it has been shelved into the too hard basket. Pollies need to get off their acres and actual read it and do something
Greg 1 said
11:53 AM Apr 29, 2024
Gundog is right.
There is no way changing laws or anything else authorities can really do.
It has to be attitudinal change that comes from within the parental scope in bringing up young men.
The general lack of respect for others seems to have gone to new heights in today's society, particularly towards women.
Several times I had to pull young guys up at work in the way that they spoke to their wives, girlfriends and female work colleagues.
I also think that meth use has a bit to do with it as it is now very widespread and makes people ultra aggressive.
It really is a scourge that there is few answers as usually DM occurs behind closed doors and many victims are fearful in reporting it.
dorian said
01:38 PM Apr 29, 2024
The Government hasn't yet decided whether it's an emergency or a crisis. Apparently these two scenarios are treated very differently. No doubt the Cabinet will consult the dictionary when it next convenes and then we'll have a Plan.
I reckon you are spot on with the meth use when it comes to domestic violence, well I guess also violence in general.
I often scan the NSW Lawlink pages to see who is appearing in court locally.
Would not hazard a guess what percentage is AVO related and also would not hazard a guess what societal group make up the largest chunk of that. The AVO levels in my rural town can be quite staggering at times and it is often the same surnames, families etc that appear.
There is definitely one common denominator - drugs.
It is unknown if the local girl's death (nearby Forbes) that has sparked this recent round of protests had a male partner involved in that area and not ALL domestic violence acts involve drugs of course.
It would be interesting to see the stats on it though.
As to solutions, well, locally there seems to be an age old culture of certain groups that seem to continually bash their women.
How one curbs that age old culture is the $60,000 question.
I am in favour of ankle bracelets for perpetrators that fit the bill for one to be attached e.g. the "violent" types.
Although I am told they don't always work, some crims are simply too smart for ankle brace;lets, but they may still be of some assistance.
They certainly DID NOT work recently when some youths from Bourke, two of whom had ankle bracelets on wrecked a servo here 200 miles away from Bourke with a locally stolen car. The usual daily event that takes place here.
So ankle bracelets might not be ideal, but hey, if they save one poor lady's life, then so be it, they are worth it.
The other one mooted are the emergency buttons in use for ladies at threat.
My 96 year old mum has one of those seniors persons alarm pendants.
I may end up with one myself in the not too distant future as my Leukaemia and other medical complaints kick in over time.
I am very impressed with the pendant system that my mum has (she still lives alone with some DVA care, mum is gold card) and I think it also would be of some advantage if a lady with AVO issues was confronted with a barred offender.
These are two basic solutions toward saving SOME lives and I am sure there are other strategies that could be implemented.
Corndoggy said
02:31 PM Apr 29, 2024
We are so soft on our response to crime of all sorts today. Commit a crime and your out on bail to commit another crime to get out on bail again. Lack of being taught respect has gone out the door. Youth crime increases every hour, never mind day. Population growth has to mean more crime can be expected, it relates back to a percentage figure. The old mental heath caused it is increasing, no where near enough support for this, that is if someone will seek it. The old days of having some, what I'll call fear of the reprisals of committing crime has gone.
Maybe what we need is to go back to some old time deterants. Build more prisions, not hotel prisions. A place you don't want to visit. Hold registrars, magistrates and judges accountable for their decisions for their decisions to release someone back into the population that then commit serious crimes suck as murder, some time within weeks of being released. Reset all previous sentences as not to be used as precidents. Set and stick to maximum sentance time periods. None of this 15 years but out on 10 for good behaviour and less 2 years for time served. Then anyone that kills someone and without any doubt, it was murder 100%, no one can say it wasn't done, the chair. 415 volts arm to arm or a rope that can do multiple that need it.. Why we keep murders for so long, that is if they get that long, baffles me. Not only have they taken someone's life and the distress of others over that, we now keep them costing us millions of dollars going well into double if not triple figures, each one.
What we can't do that.
Until we have a deterant that is a real deterant, one that does put fear into people, expect more of what is becoming normal.
And all your protests will not come to much if how we deal with those that seriously break the law does not seriously change.
Hard way to look at it. Its a hard thing to fix. But to me, someone that takes someone else's life and it's murder, does not desirve to breath.
But no need to worry, this will never ever come to pass. The slap on the wrist will just get lighter and lighter.
Gundog said
03:13 PM Apr 29, 2024
Corndoggy what you are suggesting is similar to what the ruling class will arrive at, but that will not save one life.
How does someone in an impaired sense of judgement consider the ramifications of their actions when fuse has been lit.
Each and every one of the recent murders of women needs to analyzed about the circumstances that caused the situation, not just immediate time period but all prior events prior and after break up of the relationship.
Note this is not a recent thing, it's been happening a hundred years or more.
dogbox said
04:08 PM Apr 29, 2024
Gundog wrote:
Corndoggy what you are suggesting is similar to what the ruling class will arrive at, but that will not save one life.
How does someone in an impaired sense of judgement consider the ramifications of their actions when fuse has been lit.
Each and every one of the recent murders of women needs to analyzed about the circumstances that caused the situation, not just immediate time period but all prior events prior and after break up of the relationship.
Note this is not a recent thing, it's been happening a hundred years or more.
i wonder how much influence social media and internet dating sites has in the recent headlines, about women victims, are we just hearing more of it or have the statistics always been this high an we have turned a blind eye/ear to it?
Izabarack said
06:17 PM Apr 29, 2024
A Talkfest does at least bring visability to the problem. Australian of the Year Rosie Batty has used her appointment to good measure. Locking perpertrators of DV away is often a case of action only after some serious incidence has occured. Action in the form of consequences immediately after even a minor incident seems to work, to some extent. In Qld, as single incident of reported DV is sufficient to have the perpetrator removed from the home or house and the target of the violence can then obtain a Restraning Order. Locking perpertrators away seems make already hardened attitutes even worse.
Re the visability thing - I have left several FB sites due to the expressed hatred of women and ex partners. One site, oriented around services and entitlments for ex Military personnel is particularly bad as there are regulat posts screaming hatred towards ex partners in particular. The thing that concerns me is that the posts are often tolerated as others join in and the fools pump each other up. When you exist in the company of a disfunctional peer group, attitudes do not change. Prison for DV offenders only puts them in company of like minded people and is not likly to rehabilitate anyone.
Corndoggy said
07:59 PM Apr 29, 2024
A talkfest is what they do best. Even if it is only **** they talk.
-- Edited by Corndoggy on Monday 29th of April 2024 07:59:56 PM
DMaxer said
07:53 AM Apr 30, 2024
Why stop there. If a person is involved in a motor vehicle accident where someone is injured or killed due to his or her negligence or intoxication, then whoever allowed him or her to pass the driving test should also face the same sentence. That will fix things.
AndyCap100 said
10:36 AM Apr 30, 2024
Just my 2c worth.We live in NZ,been here allmost 30yrs.I have noticed ,particularly the last 10 yrs that a lot of NZ women are extremely butch,masculine in the way they dress,present themselves ,swear and generally like to think and act like blokes.All this woke crap etc ,gender neutral crap etc.
So its not suprising ,however wrong ,that they get treated like blokes.Say the wrong thing ,act aggressive, so they get a smack.
Yes its not right ,but whats wrong with if your born a woman,act like a lady for f---s sake.
Ive had women swear at me here for holding a door open for them,and wonder why i then call them a bitch!!
Rock on people ,enjoy ur day
Andy.
dogbox said
02:20 PM Apr 30, 2024
DMaxer wrote:
Why stop there. If a person is involved in a motor vehicle accident where someone is injured or killed due to his or her negligence or intoxication, then whoever allowed him or her to pass the driving test should also face the same sentence. That will fix things.
do you really think like that? if a person passes their driving assessment it means they have reached a level of competence that they can operate a motor vehicle unsupervised they then become responsible for their actions.
a person applying for bail will go before a person who decides if a person should be granted bail, that person who makes that decision would have a lot of information before them as to the persons history, the prosecution can also object to bail. please explain how a person with a lengthy criminal history involving violence would get bail?
DMaxer said
02:32 PM Apr 30, 2024
Have you ever heard of satire, Dogbox?
In answer to your question just two brief points to consider. Firstly, the presumption of innocence. Secondly, bail is related to whether a person charged will appear or not. Not whether they are guilty or innocent. The overwhelming statistics indicate people on bail do appear and dont offend whilst on bail. Those that do have bail revoked.
No system is perfect. Why not ask yourself why did the prosecution agree to bail or why didnt they seek to overturn the granting of bail if it was that obvious as to what would happen.
Childcare worker and mother Molly Ticehurst, 28, was found dead in a Forbes home early on Monday morning.
Her former partner Daniel Billings, 29, was later arrested more than an hour away in Fifield, north of Condobolin.
The Orange Local Court on Tuesday heard Mr Billings was on bail for charges including rape, stalking and intimidation when the alleged murder took place.
Court documents showed he was previously accused of raping Ms Ticehurst on three separate occasions, intimidating her on three separate occasions and wilfully damaging her property, including a car window and a pedestal fan.
The documents also showed Mr Billings was charged with aggravated cruelty against a 12-week-old dachshund puppy.
Magistrate David Day told the court Mr Billings was already accused of "three serious indictable offences" when the alleged murder took place.
He said the previous charges were in relation to the same woman found dead on Monday morning.
DMaxer said
06:44 AM May 1, 2024
I read he was granted bail by a court registrar in an out of court hours bail hearing. One wonders whether his history was made available at that time or whether it was just a total mistake by all involved. In any event that poor women was badly let down.
Gundog said
07:57 AM May 1, 2024
Talkfest day today, I expect a word salad response full of platitudes, after the events fllowing eachways carryon and in the days following, his wezel words has showen that he is worse than the other bloke.
Where's the other 483 domestic violence support workers promised in 2021.
peter67 said
08:49 AM May 1, 2024
This mornings news featured an article on A1 chatbot services, and comments about the effects on mental well being by Professor Pearson. He talks about subscribers to a chatbot called Replika who offer an A1 companion on the phone who is always on your side, no matter what the problem. This morphed into 'erotic role-play' and bought out the darker side of some Replika clients. When the maker toned down these elements people who had fallen in love with their chatbot freaked out.
They had groups of male clients bragging to each other about how trashy they could treat the virtual girl slaves aka chatbot. Reminds me of that science fiction movie Westworld.
ps, is deep image fakery on the net going to make reality much harder to see? in the current climate with arguments about how many genders there are, we already seem to be losing our grasp on reality.
Edit; sorry if that's a bit off thread but surely people being awful to a chatbot will have some basis in real life feelings to others, and how they treat them.
-- Edited by peter67 on Wednesday 1st of May 2024 08:54:29 AM
dogbox said
08:50 AM May 1, 2024
DMaxer wrote:
I read he was granted bail by a court registrar in an out of court hours bail hearing. One wonders whether his history was made available at that time or whether it was just a total mistake by all involved. In any event that poor women was badly let down.
if in my previous life as a driver of heavy vehicles, I could be/ was expected to know the rules regulation in all states and territories (in regards to my job) should I be in breach in any of those rules and regulation I could be fined or worst case find myself in jail, I would be held accountable so I avoided making errors/mistakes to the best of my ability, or paid the price. (ignorance is not an excuse/defense)
I wonder if the registrar lost any sleep over his decision to grant bail to a known violent offender and if the information was not available at the time, why would he grant bail without the information, could he have been pressured from above? (no place or resources to deal with offender?)
Gundog said
08:31 AM May 2, 2024
Just as I thought the talkfest delivered nothing but a word salad of BS and some extra cash over 10 years and when you break it down to a per year amount its bugger all.
No agreement on the way forward about bail laws for DV offenders, but we will have a national meeting of police cheifs and they another national talkfest in the quarter.
Nothing about prevenataive plans to understand the route cause of these DV perps, but we will look at a way to use age verification to prevent children seeing porn.
P--- P--- P---------- .
dogbox said
09:51 AM May 2, 2024
there have been women's refuges for as long as I can remember, if they had proper funding and were readily available maybe some of these women could remove them selves from the toxic environment, then we sort out how we(society)deal with the persons who think they can solve their issues with violence.
I think the first issues should be to identify who may be at risk and from who. information from schools, hospitals, doctors ect ect ect as done now for children at risk by family services may identify potential victims but it could be a very grey area as to how you determine who is at risk
the issues may not be as clear as some people think, I have heard stories of people going to the aide of a women who was supposedly at risk only to have the person they thought they were assisting turn on them.
if a women is at risk she almost has to go into a witness protection system because until we find away to deal with the offender (would not want to violate their rights) they could track them down an they could be at risk again, even worst if kids are involved.
DMaxer said
10:20 AM May 2, 2024
The Commonwealth Government can only pass legislation that it is empowered to do under the Constitution. Criminal matters, bail laws, domestic violence (except for tax, customs, immigration etc) are the domain of the states and territories. The Federal Government can request or suggest but any legislative change can only be done by the states or territories.
By calling in police chiefs and state ministers a unified approach may be possible and these people can then take the suggestions and agreements back to their respective state or territory and perhaps legislation in that state or territory will then follow,
dogbox said
12:05 PM May 2, 2024
as mentioned it becomes a talkfest, what we need is leadership/action from our leaders not talk.
if the federal government puts up cash to fund change then let hope the money is not used up by the bureaucracy an there is nothing left in the end to fund the changes.
unified approach!! they can't even agree on unified road rules how are they going to get something as complex as this to be unified even with all states of the same political persuasion.
Gundog said
12:38 PM May 2, 2024
dogbox wrote:
as mentioned it becomes a talkfest, what we need is leadership/action from our leaders not talk.
if the federal government puts up cash to fund change then let hope the money is not used up by the bureaucracy an there is nothing left in the end to fund the changes.
unified approach!! they can't even agree on unified road rules how are they going to get something as complex as this to be unified even with all states of the same political persuasion.
Great post dogbox
we saw how national cabinet worked during covid say one thing and then go off and do their own thing.
Magnarc said
12:47 PM May 2, 2024
I'm no expert, how can a talkfest change the problem.
It can't Gundog.
DMaxer said
01:28 PM May 2, 2024
I think everyone can do their bit by calling out inappropriate behaviour towards others.
Surely we dont need to wait for politicians to spell out how we as a society need to act.
rmoor said
03:36 PM May 2, 2024
As John McEnroe said - "You can't be serious".
One could only expect a similar response from the Labor Caucus to that of the Alice Springs debacle. Just throw a heap of money at it and little changes.
It was only to be expected they would come up with such a dingbat policy of throw a billion dollars at it, implement it in 2025 and not NOW and give each Domestic Violence victim 5 grand each.
What is that for - funeral expenses?
Our local D.V. perpetrators and some of their partners will love this and rort it in the same way the baby bonus was rorted, the free $500 ACER laptop computers and incur around $24,000 of unpaid HECS debt and every other "government initiative" that fill the local poker machines in our region.
there was a former police officer by the name of Hurley on Q & A a few nights ago who tore shreds off the 3 weak pollies on the panel (Bolt sides of politics, one is no better than the other). He had attended 1,362 domestic violence events and had a 10 year old boy die in his arms from a D. V. attack. He tore strips off those goons and accused them of politiking recent events to their own advantage. He was right.
These are the people that have to be at the forefront of solutions and the drongos in Parliament have to finally start listening to those at the coalface. Alas, will that happen?
I believe emergency pendants and ankle bracelets are a start, but there must be more strategies available other than just putting 5 grand in the bank account of a victim - really????
dogbox said
04:28 PM May 2, 2024
i do hope they do not intend to hand out $5000.00 in spendable currency?
$5000.00 towards emergency accommodation, food, transportation, clothes ect ect could be paid as vouchers/debit card with limitations (no alcohol/tobacco/cash) to remove them from immediate harm then work out how best to protect them from further harm which may mean relocation and basically going into hiding.
rmoor said
04:46 PM May 2, 2024
Why should a lady have to walk away from her support network. Leave the family home, abandon her job, move her children from their friends and just get a lousy 5 grand from Air Bus Albo and his merry band of misfits with little or no idea how to tackle any societal situation thrown their way so far. I understand it is the role of the states but we have Labor in place in just about every state, arc them up with some stern words that lead to stern actions and stop pussyfooting around like they are now.
Lock the animals up that are giving them grief.
Problem solved.
We are way too soft on perpetrators in our society. They constantly get a rails run.
I'm seriously confused after the rallies on the weekend to get governments to change society to protect women from Aholes killing their partners.
No amount of new laws can render a solution for the problem, the red cloud of fury prevents these low lifes to consider anything other than their perceive right to extract revenge.
At first I considered this tobe a 21st centuary problem, but in reality this is a historical problem. These crimes are quickly broadcast over all types of media we all become aware of these sad events, where in the past that was a one night story on the 6 0'Çlock news.
No grandstanding talkfest can find the solution, unfortunatly we only hear the grim heart breaking loss of another mother, daughter, sister, wife or girlfriend. But what we need is a taskforce of specialist investigators to gather the backstory on every murder of this type for the last 5 or 10 years to see if there a common thread to these senseless killings.
www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2024/apr/29/australia-news-live-male-violence-online-misogyny-anthony-albanese-women-safety-yoorook-terrorism-attacks
I reckon you are spot on with the meth use when it comes to domestic violence, well I guess also violence in general.
I often scan the NSW Lawlink pages to see who is appearing in court locally.
Would not hazard a guess what percentage is AVO related and also would not hazard a guess what societal group make up the largest chunk of that. The AVO levels in my rural town can be quite staggering at times and it is often the same surnames, families etc that appear.
There is definitely one common denominator - drugs.
It is unknown if the local girl's death (nearby Forbes) that has sparked this recent round of protests had a male partner involved in that area and not ALL domestic violence acts involve drugs of course.
It would be interesting to see the stats on it though.
As to solutions, well, locally there seems to be an age old culture of certain groups that seem to continually bash their women.
How one curbs that age old culture is the $60,000 question.
I am in favour of ankle bracelets for perpetrators that fit the bill for one to be attached e.g. the "violent" types.
Although I am told they don't always work, some crims are simply too smart for ankle brace;lets, but they may still be of some assistance.
They certainly DID NOT work recently when some youths from Bourke, two of whom had ankle bracelets on wrecked a servo here 200 miles away from Bourke with a locally stolen car. The usual daily event that takes place here.
So ankle bracelets might not be ideal, but hey, if they save one poor lady's life, then so be it, they are worth it.
The other one mooted are the emergency buttons in use for ladies at threat.
My 96 year old mum has one of those seniors persons alarm pendants.
I may end up with one myself in the not too distant future as my Leukaemia and other medical complaints kick in over time.
I am very impressed with the pendant system that my mum has (she still lives alone with some DVA care, mum is gold card) and I think it also would be of some advantage if a lady with AVO issues was confronted with a barred offender.
These are two basic solutions toward saving SOME lives and I am sure there are other strategies that could be implemented.
Maybe what we need is to go back to some old time deterants. Build more prisions, not hotel prisions. A place you don't want to visit. Hold registrars, magistrates and judges accountable for their decisions for their decisions to release someone back into the population that then commit serious crimes suck as murder, some time within weeks of being released. Reset all previous sentences as not to be used as precidents. Set and stick to maximum sentance time periods. None of this 15 years but out on 10 for good behaviour and less 2 years for time served. Then anyone that kills someone and without any doubt, it was murder 100%, no one can say it wasn't done, the chair. 415 volts arm to arm or a rope that can do multiple that need it.. Why we keep murders for so long, that is if they get that long, baffles me. Not only have they taken someone's life and the distress of others over that, we now keep them costing us millions of dollars going well into double if not triple figures, each one.
What we can't do that.
Until we have a deterant that is a real deterant, one that does put fear into people, expect more of what is becoming normal.
And all your protests will not come to much if how we deal with those that seriously break the law does not seriously change.
Hard way to look at it. Its a hard thing to fix. But to me, someone that takes someone else's life and it's murder, does not desirve to breath.
But no need to worry, this will never ever come to pass. The slap on the wrist will just get lighter and lighter.
Corndoggy what you are suggesting is similar to what the ruling class will arrive at, but that will not save one life.
How does someone in an impaired sense of judgement consider the ramifications of their actions when fuse has been lit.
Each and every one of the recent murders of women needs to analyzed about the circumstances that caused the situation, not just immediate time period but all prior events prior and after break up of the relationship.
Note this is not a recent thing, it's been happening a hundred years or more.
i wonder how much influence social media and internet dating sites has in the recent headlines, about women victims, are we just hearing more of it or have the statistics always been this high an we have turned a blind eye/ear to it?
A Talkfest does at least bring visability to the problem. Australian of the Year Rosie Batty has used her appointment to good measure. Locking perpertrators of DV away is often a case of action only after some serious incidence has occured. Action in the form of consequences immediately after even a minor incident seems to work, to some extent. In Qld, as single incident of reported DV is sufficient to have the perpetrator removed from the home or house and the target of the violence can then obtain a Restraning Order. Locking perpertrators away seems make already hardened attitutes even worse.
Re the visability thing - I have left several FB sites due to the expressed hatred of women and ex partners. One site, oriented around services and entitlments for ex Military personnel is particularly bad as there are regulat posts screaming hatred towards ex partners in particular. The thing that concerns me is that the posts are often tolerated as others join in and the fools pump each other up. When you exist in the company of a disfunctional peer group, attitudes do not change. Prison for DV offenders only puts them in company of like minded people and is not likly to rehabilitate anyone.
A talkfest is what they do best. Even if it is only **** they talk.
-- Edited by Corndoggy on Monday 29th of April 2024 07:59:56 PM
So its not suprising ,however wrong ,that they get treated like blokes.Say the wrong thing ,act aggressive, so they get a smack.
Yes its not right ,but whats wrong with if your born a woman,act like a lady for f---s sake.
Ive had women swear at me here for holding a door open for them,and wonder why i then call them a bitch!!
Rock on people ,enjoy ur day
Andy.
do you really think like that? if a person passes their driving assessment it means they have reached a level of competence that they can operate a motor vehicle unsupervised they then become responsible for their actions.
a person applying for bail will go before a person who decides if a person should be granted bail, that person who makes that decision would have a lot of information before them as to the persons history, the prosecution can also object to bail. please explain how a person with a lengthy criminal history involving violence would get bail?
Why was this guy granted bail?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-23/man-charged-murdering-young-woman-forbes-faces-court/103756950
Childcare worker and mother Molly Ticehurst, 28, was found dead in a Forbes home early on Monday morning.
Her former partner Daniel Billings, 29, was later arrested more than an hour away in Fifield, north of Condobolin.
The Orange Local Court on Tuesday heard Mr Billings was on bail for charges including rape, stalking and intimidation when the alleged murder took place.
Court documents showed he was previously accused of raping Ms Ticehurst on three separate occasions, intimidating her on three separate occasions and wilfully damaging her property, including a car window and a pedestal fan.
The documents also showed Mr Billings was charged with aggravated cruelty against a 12-week-old dachshund puppy.
Magistrate David Day told the court Mr Billings was already accused of "three serious indictable offences" when the alleged murder took place.
He said the previous charges were in relation to the same woman found dead on Monday morning.
Talkfest day today, I expect a word salad response full of platitudes, after the events fllowing eachways carryon and in the days following, his wezel words has showen that he is worse than the other bloke.
Where's the other 483 domestic violence support workers promised in 2021.
This mornings news featured an article on A1 chatbot services, and comments about the effects on mental well being by Professor Pearson. He talks about subscribers to a chatbot called Replika who offer an A1 companion on the phone who is always on your side, no matter what the problem. This morphed into 'erotic role-play' and bought out the darker side of some Replika clients. When the maker toned down these elements people who had fallen in love with their chatbot freaked out.
They had groups of male clients bragging to each other about how trashy they could treat the virtual girl slaves aka chatbot. Reminds me of that science fiction movie Westworld.
ps, is deep image fakery on the net going to make reality much harder to see? in the current climate with arguments about how many genders there are, we already seem to be losing our grasp on reality.
Edit; sorry if that's a bit off thread but surely people being awful to a chatbot will have some basis in real life feelings to others, and how they treat them.
-- Edited by peter67 on Wednesday 1st of May 2024 08:54:29 AM
if in my previous life as a driver of heavy vehicles, I could be/ was expected to know the rules regulation in all states and territories (in regards to my job) should I be in breach in any of those rules and regulation I could be fined or worst case find myself in jail, I would be held accountable so I avoided making errors/mistakes to the best of my ability, or paid the price. (ignorance is not an excuse/defense)
I wonder if the registrar lost any sleep over his decision to grant bail to a known violent offender and if the information was not available at the time, why would he grant bail without the information, could he have been pressured from above? (no place or resources to deal with offender?)
Just as I thought the talkfest delivered nothing but a word salad of BS and some extra cash over 10 years and when you break it down to a per year amount its bugger all.
No agreement on the way forward about bail laws for DV offenders, but we will have a national meeting of police cheifs and they another national talkfest in the quarter.
Nothing about prevenataive plans to understand the route cause of these DV perps, but we will look at a way to use age verification to prevent children seeing porn.
P--- P--- P---------- .
I think the first issues should be to identify who may be at risk and from who. information from schools, hospitals, doctors ect ect ect as done now for children at risk by family services may identify potential victims but it could be a very grey area as to how you determine who is at risk
the issues may not be as clear as some people think, I have heard stories of people going to the aide of a women who was supposedly at risk only to have the person they thought they were assisting turn on them.
if a women is at risk she almost has to go into a witness protection system because until we find away to deal with the offender (would not want to violate their rights) they could track them down an they could be at risk again, even worst if kids are involved.
The Commonwealth Government can only pass legislation that it is empowered to do under the Constitution. Criminal matters, bail laws, domestic violence (except for tax, customs, immigration etc) are the domain of the states and territories. The Federal Government can request or suggest but any legislative change can only be done by the states or territories.
By calling in police chiefs and state ministers a unified approach may be possible and these people can then take the suggestions and agreements back to their respective state or territory and perhaps legislation in that state or territory will then follow,
if the federal government puts up cash to fund change then let hope the money is not used up by the bureaucracy an there is nothing left in the end to fund the changes.
unified approach!! they can't even agree on unified road rules how are they going to get something as complex as this to be unified even with all states of the same political persuasion.
Great post dogbox
we saw how national cabinet worked during covid say one thing and then go off and do their own thing.
I'm no expert, how can a talkfest change the problem.
It can't Gundog.
One could only expect a similar response from the Labor Caucus to that of the Alice Springs debacle. Just throw a heap of money at it and little changes.
It was only to be expected they would come up with such a dingbat policy of throw a billion dollars at it, implement it in 2025 and not NOW and give each Domestic Violence victim 5 grand each.
What is that for - funeral expenses?
Our local D.V. perpetrators and some of their partners will love this and rort it in the same way the baby bonus was rorted, the free $500 ACER laptop computers and incur around $24,000 of unpaid HECS debt and every other "government initiative" that fill the local poker machines in our region.
there was a former police officer by the name of Hurley on Q & A a few nights ago who tore shreds off the 3 weak pollies on the panel (Bolt sides of politics, one is no better than the other). He had attended 1,362 domestic violence events and had a 10 year old boy die in his arms from a D. V. attack. He tore strips off those goons and accused them of politiking recent events to their own advantage. He was right.
These are the people that have to be at the forefront of solutions and the drongos in Parliament have to finally start listening to those at the coalface. Alas, will that happen?
I believe emergency pendants and ankle bracelets are a start, but there must be more strategies available other than just putting 5 grand in the bank account of a victim - really????
$5000.00 towards emergency accommodation, food, transportation, clothes ect ect could be paid as vouchers/debit card with limitations (no alcohol/tobacco/cash) to remove them from immediate harm then work out how best to protect them from further harm which may mean relocation and basically going into hiding.
Lock the animals up that are giving them grief.
Problem solved.
We are way too soft on perpetrators in our society. They constantly get a rails run.
It is wrong.