Regional Queenslanders say electric vehicles worth it for fuel savings
dorian said
02:49 PM Jun 10, 2024
Regional Queenslanders say electric vehicles worth it for fuel savings but challenges remain:
He paid $72,000 for his EV and has driven 70,000 kilometres in the 18 months he's owned it.
"If I'd done that same 70,000 kilometres in our old LandCruiser that would have been about an extra $35,000 just in diesel," Mr Mayne said.
"If we keep it three years ... we'll have paid for the cost in fuel savings alone."
Gundog said
04:03 PM Jun 10, 2024
dorian wrote:
Regional Queenslanders say electric vehicles worth it for fuel savings but challenges remain:
He paid $72,000 for his EV and has driven 70,000 kilometres in the 18 months he's owned it.
"If I'd done that same 70,000 kilometres in our old LandCruiser that would have been about an extra $35,000 just in diesel," Mr Mayne said.
"If we keep it three years ... we'll have paid for the cost in fuel savings alone."
Sounds like a furpy to me, its not like the comparison is like for like. A $100000 plus LC V a 72k EV.
Then chuck in the mix the resale value of the EV with 140,000 kms would be less than 20k, where the cruiser would likely be around 75% resale value.
The figures are a bit rubbery driving an average of 160k a day, and no recharging cost, even if its being charged at home then a home charger, house battery and solar panels arnt for free, otherwise the home power bill would be massive.
Aussie1 said
05:27 PM Jun 10, 2024
Yep, more rubbish by Greenies for Mug's to to get excited about.
Are We Lost said
06:12 PM Jun 10, 2024
dorian wrote:"If I'd done that same 70,000 kilometres in our old LandCruiser that would have been about an extra $35,000 just in diesel," Mr Mayne said.
Has anyone realised this is about 50c per kilometre? At around $2 per litre the consumption works out to about 25 litres per 100 km. That would not be reasonable for LC unless towing and working it hard. I doubt the EV would have been doing that. Fuel is more expensive in remote locations but not that much.
Then as Gundog mentioned, a $35,000 saving in fuel would be offset by the higher depreciation.
Dorian did you not incliude a link because you knew it was a rubbish article?
The EV is a Tesla. Comparing driving economy with a Land Cruiser is hardly a reasonable comparison. And then, from the article:
"previously he said the trip to Brisbane would cost him $1,200 in fuel". The article says he lives 40km from Springsure QLD. Current fuel price at Springsure is $2.09, and under $2 for most of the trip. The return distance to Brisbane is 1700km (including that 40km). So at $2 per litre that would be 600 litres of fuel which gives a fuel economy of 35 litres per 100km. Does anyone get fuel economy like that.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Monday 10th of June 2024 06:59:23 PM
Meredith said
08:47 PM Jun 10, 2024
Are We Lost wrote:
"previously he said the trip to Brisbane would cost him $1,200 in fuel". The article says he lives 40km from Springsure QLD. Current fuel price at Springsure is $2.09, and under $2 for most of the trip. The return distance to Brisbane is 1700km (including that 40km). So at $2 per litre that would be 600 litres of fuel which gives a fuel economy of 35 litres per 100km. Does anyone get fuel economy like that.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Monday 10th of June 2024 06:59:23 PM
Sounds ridiculous, with our LC 200 we average 21 litres per 100km towing our almost 3 ton van and sitting on just under 100kph, not towing we average around 13 driving at the speed limit.
dorian said
07:45 AM Jun 11, 2024
Are We Lost wrote:
Dorian did you not incliude a link because you knew it was a rubbish article?
I goofed. I always try to supply original references. I don't know what happened there.
I did wonder about the $0.50 per km figure, but I don't drive a 4WD, so I had no insight into this.
As for comparing his LandCruiser against a Tesla, I guess he's intimating that you don't need a LandCruiser for what he does. Still, he should have compared the EV against a regular sedan or ute.
I agree that the article is flawed, and that the figures are indeed questionable.
Edit: After 18 months, that fellow has nearly exhausted his basic warranty and used up about half of the warranty on his battery. It seems that after about 4 years he'll end up with a car that's worth nothing because the battery needs to be replaced. He may still come out ahead, though. He can just keep driving the car until he runs it into the ground.
The Tesla Model S battery warranty and Tesla Model X battery warranty are the same: eight years or 240,000km, whichever comes first, with minimum 70 per cent retention of battery capacity over the warranty period.
The Tesla Model 3 battery warranty: The Model 3 Standard Range is eight years or 160,000km, whichever comes first, with minimum 70 per cent retention of battery capacity over the warranty period. The Model 3 Long Range and Model 3 Performance: eight years or 192,000km, whichever comes first, with minimum 70 per cent retention of battery capacity over the warranty period.
Tesla also have a Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty (that covers your vehicle for four years or 80,000km, whichever comes first) and a Supplemental Restraint System Limited Warranty (covers your vehicle for five years or 100,000km, whichever comes first).
-- Edited by dorian on Tuesday 11th of June 2024 08:03:12 AM
vince56 said
08:52 AM Jun 11, 2024
I believe the whole EV thing is politically driven and will crash back to earth once realistic people run the world.
My wife has a VW Golf 2.0 diesel wagon, averages 4.4 l/100kms, 3.2 on the highway, no stopping to charge, over 100kw of power, has done 200,000 kms so far and not a spanner needed, compare that car!
Gundog said
09:22 AM Jun 11, 2024
More holes in the numbers because of reality, distance between Springsure and Brisbane depending on Route 750-825km, therefore even with a Tesla3 LR it would require a substancial recharge to complete the Journey, even the advertised LR range at 600k is suspect perhaps more like 4-500k depending on conditions.
I understand the logistics and needs to complete a regular journey, for almost 2 years our 2300k trip from NQ to Brisbane every 3 monts. Costing us at worst $480 for fuel, this bloke would need to be making the return journey every 2 weeks so there would have to be a cost to recharge at least one time in each direction, which would extend the travel time for 9 hours to maybe 12 hours unless a tesla super charger was available.
We are not comparing apples with apples, sounds like this bloke is trying justify buying an EV when it dosnt stack up.
Dick0 said
10:21 AM Jun 11, 2024
Always read the fine print on anything supporting EV's.
Regional Queenslanders say electric vehicles worth it for fuel savings but challenges remain:
He paid $72,000 for his EV and has driven 70,000 kilometres in the 18 months he's owned it.
"If I'd done that same 70,000 kilometres in our old LandCruiser that would have been about an extra $35,000 just in diesel," Mr Mayne said.
"If we keep it three years ... we'll have paid for the cost in fuel savings alone."
Sounds like a furpy to me, its not like the comparison is like for like. A $100000 plus LC V a 72k EV.
Then chuck in the mix the resale value of the EV with 140,000 kms would be less than 20k, where the cruiser would likely be around 75% resale value.
The figures are a bit rubbery driving an average of 160k a day, and no recharging cost, even if its being charged at home then a home charger, house battery and solar panels arnt for free, otherwise the home power bill would be massive.
Has anyone realised this is about 50c per kilometre? At around $2 per litre the consumption works out to about 25 litres per 100 km. That would not be reasonable for LC unless towing and working it hard. I doubt the EV would have been doing that. Fuel is more expensive in remote locations but not that much.
Then as Gundog mentioned, a $35,000 saving in fuel would be offset by the higher depreciation.
Dorian did you not incliude a link because you knew it was a rubbish article?
Edit: Actually I found the article on ABC News.
ABC: Regional Queenslander saves on fuel with EV
The EV is a Tesla. Comparing driving economy with a Land Cruiser is hardly a reasonable comparison. And then, from the article:
"previously he said the trip to Brisbane would cost him $1,200 in fuel". The article says he lives 40km from Springsure QLD. Current fuel price at Springsure is $2.09, and under $2 for most of the trip. The return distance to Brisbane is 1700km (including that 40km). So at $2 per litre that would be 600 litres of fuel which gives a fuel economy of 35 litres per 100km. Does anyone get fuel economy like that.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Monday 10th of June 2024 06:59:23 PM
Sounds ridiculous, with our LC 200 we average 21 litres per 100km towing our almost 3 ton van and sitting on just under 100kph, not towing we average around 13 driving at the speed limit.
I goofed. I always try to supply original references. I don't know what happened there.
I did wonder about the $0.50 per km figure, but I don't drive a 4WD, so I had no insight into this.
As for comparing his LandCruiser against a Tesla, I guess he's intimating that you don't need a LandCruiser for what he does. Still, he should have compared the EV against a regular sedan or ute.
I agree that the article is flawed, and that the figures are indeed questionable.
Edit: After 18 months, that fellow has nearly exhausted his basic warranty and used up about half of the warranty on his battery. It seems that after about 4 years he'll end up with a car that's worth nothing because the battery needs to be replaced. He may still come out ahead, though. He can just keep driving the car until he runs it into the ground.
https://www.carsguide.com.au/ev/advice/electric-car-battery-warranties-explained-83133
The Tesla Model S battery warranty and Tesla Model X battery warranty are the same: eight years or 240,000km, whichever comes first, with minimum 70 per cent retention of battery capacity over the warranty period.
The Tesla Model 3 battery warranty: The Model 3 Standard Range is eight years or 160,000km, whichever comes first, with minimum 70 per cent retention of battery capacity over the warranty period. The Model 3 Long Range and Model 3 Performance: eight years or 192,000km, whichever comes first, with minimum 70 per cent retention of battery capacity over the warranty period.
Tesla also have a Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty (that covers your vehicle for four years or 80,000km, whichever comes first) and a Supplemental Restraint System Limited Warranty (covers your vehicle for five years or 100,000km, whichever comes first).
-- Edited by dorian on Tuesday 11th of June 2024 08:03:12 AM
My wife has a VW Golf 2.0 diesel wagon, averages 4.4 l/100kms, 3.2 on the highway, no stopping to charge, over 100kw of power, has done 200,000 kms so far and not a spanner needed, compare that car!
More holes in the numbers because of reality, distance between Springsure and Brisbane depending on Route 750-825km, therefore even with a Tesla3 LR it would require a substancial recharge to complete the Journey, even the advertised LR range at 600k is suspect perhaps more like 4-500k depending on conditions.
I understand the logistics and needs to complete a regular journey, for almost 2 years our 2300k trip from NQ to Brisbane every 3 monts. Costing us at worst $480 for fuel, this bloke would need to be making the return journey every 2 weeks so there would have to be a cost to recharge at least one time in each direction, which would extend the travel time for 9 hours to maybe 12 hours unless a tesla super charger was available.
We are not comparing apples with apples, sounds like this bloke is trying justify buying an EV when it dosnt stack up.
Always read the fine print on anything supporting EV's.