What is the long term scenario of a tire after a puncture plug
Brodie Allen said
04:06 PM Sep 4, 2024
Two things - Long term after a plug fix
Long term after an aerosol can fix
What is the law for insurance coverage/long term life?
B
Possum3 said
04:46 PM Sep 4, 2024
It is always advisable to have a "sleeve" put in by a tyre company after plugging, at earliest opportunity.
The repair of tyres isn't able to "qualified" by any means, so the "Law" doesn't come into it per say - Although regulations state tyres most be in good repair and condition. Regarding insurance - they are all Bastards when it come to pay out and they will move heaven and earth to minimise pay outs.
Peter_n_Margaret said
05:39 PM Sep 4, 2024
They are both considered to be short term emergency repairs.
Neither would pass the "good repair and condition" test by any authority (including insurance), so if a proper and permanent repair is not performed as soon as possible, then you would be "on your own".
Personally, I would never use the aerosol muck because it would make a proper repair more difficult, or impossible.
Cheers,
Peter
rgren2 said
07:35 PM Sep 4, 2024
60000km on a Cooper that was plugged. Never had a problem, and yes, was used at low pressure and towing the van. Tyres were rotated regularly and I lost track of which tyre it was. Only found out when new tyres were purchased, aerosol, nah, wouldnt go there unless it was the only thing available to get out of trouble.
Plugged 5 times in the outback. Still used those tyres for years.
When I was waiting to get new tyres at a major retailer. They were plugging a tyre for a customer. Drilled a hole through the puncture point to make it easier to plug it & put it back on the customers car.
Next time I will use a drill as it is hard work pushing a plug in a tyre. A bit easier on the outward stroke. Other than the drill I couldn't really see any difference.
P.S. they pumped up my tyres to 45psi. I had a go at them for that. They said everyone wants that pressure. I said my car says 32psi.
They did offer to let them down, I said I will do it myself. 45psi was not the most pleasant of rides home!
Brodie Allen said
09:14 AM Sep 5, 2024
I remember some years ago a tire left for repair to a slow leak was returned
to me with a $65 bill.
Upon enquiry they said that they were not allowed to plug anymore - they had
to put an internal patch on the carcass.
Wonder what the rules are now?
B
dogbox said
09:21 AM Sep 5, 2024
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
They are both considered to be short term emergency repairs.
Neither would pass the "good repair and condition" test by any authority (including insurance), so if a proper and permanent repair is not performed as soon as possible, then you would be "on your own".
Personally, I would never use the aerosol muck because it would make a proper repair more difficult, or impossible.
Cheers,
Peter
have to agree with peter, better to get repaired properly than risk a failure which usually happens at the worst place /time
Aussie1 said
09:50 AM Sep 5, 2024
dogbox wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
They are both considered to be short term emergency repairs.
Neither would pass the "good repair and condition" test by any authority (including insurance), so if a proper and permanent repair is not performed as soon as possible, then you would be "on your own".
Personally, I would never use the aerosol muck because it would make a proper repair more difficult, or impossible.
Cheers,
Peter
have to agree with peter, better to get repaired properly than risk a failure which usually happens at the worst place /time
X2
Peter_n_Margaret said
10:13 AM Sep 5, 2024
And no one will repair any sidewall damage.
Cheers,
Peter
rgren2 said
11:05 AM Sep 5, 2024
They use a patch with a plug built into the patch.
Big Mal said
02:04 PM Sep 11, 2024
Tyre shops will use a internal patch which has a tail pulled through the puncture ...........................
I have used plugs many times, thats the core plug inserted with glue into the puncture from outside then reinflated, over the last 40 yrs many of my Fourbies and Trucks have had them used and while I did read the warnings regarding plugs they all did many miles with no issues, in fact one tyre was only a couple of hundred kms into its life and that plug caused no drama for the next probably 70K kms until they all got changed again, of course some tyres were thrown as the puncture was large and tread and belt possibly damaged a lot which would cause things to delaminate/bubble so were dumped ASAP..... Staked from a cattle grid is always a stuffed tyre, might need 3 plugs to get back to town....lol,lol......
Goop like Slime has saved me many tyre changes out bush, the tiny slow leak stakes from thorns and things, in the morning you see little green dots over the tyres but its not good if you want a internal patch done ............ saved many a tyre change in morning and tyre repair of an evening until I rip the side wall then its spanner time..
Jaahn said
08:09 PM Sep 15, 2024
Hmm a comment from a person who has twice worked in a tire place years ago over the years and did repairs on radial truck tires too, which also included sidewall repairs. Michelin supplied suitable rema Tip top patches and instructions, including approved limitations. I do not believe I ever had a comeback on repairs I did.
I am not recommending people do their own repairs but just providing factual information. A problem is that not everyone can evaluate the direction of the hole and then fit a plug correctly into it. Did someone say they saw a shop drill out the hole to make it easier to fit a plug ??? Hmm not happy with that approach. I do and have fitted some plugs in tubeless tires in recent years. I check the plug after for sealing properly and if so (as always) have never done more to the repair which lasted till the tire was replaced.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Sunday 15th of September 2024 08:15:38 PM
-- Edited by Jaahn on Sunday 15th of September 2024 08:21:20 PM
dogbox said
09:08 AM Sep 16, 2024
Jaahn wrote:
Hmm a comment from a person who has twice worked in a tire place years ago over the years and did repairs on radial truck tires too, which also included sidewall repairs. Michelin supplied suitable rema Tip top patches and instructions, including approved limitations. I do not believe I ever had a comeback on repairs I did.
I am not recommending people do their own repairs but just providing factual information. A problem is that not everyone can evaluate the direction of the hole and then fit a plug correctly into it. Did someone say they saw a shop drill out the hole to make it easier to fit a plug ??? Hmm not happy with that approach. I do and have fitted some plugs in tubeless tires in recent years. I check the plug after for sealing properly and if so (as always) have never done more to the repair which lasted till the tire was replaced.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Sunday 15th of September 2024 08:15:38 PM
-- Edited by Jaahn on Sunday 15th of September 2024 08:21:20 PM
would drilling the hole out be any different to reaming the hole out?
Whenarewethere said
03:58 PM Sep 16, 2024
The plug was done by BJTM, watched the entire process while waiting for my new tyres. Drilled with air tool, then plugged. It was through tread, that is the only place I have put plugs.
I personally think reaming would do less damage, & that's what I have done to date. But it is hard work getting the sticky plug into the tyre (ARB kit).
rgren2 said
10:22 PM Sep 16, 2024
Whenarewethere wrote:
The plug was done by BJTM, watched the entire process while waiting for my new tyres. Drilled with air tool, then plugged. It was through tread, that is the only place I have put plugs.
I personally think reaming would do less damage, & that's what I have done to date. But it is hard work getting the sticky plug into the tyre (ARB kit).
The plug was done by BJTM, watched the entire process while waiting for my new tyres. Drilled with air tool, then plugged. It was through tread, that is the only place I have put plugs.
I personally think reaming would do less damage, & that's what I have done to date. But it is hard work getting the sticky plug into the tyre (ARB kit).
would drilling the hole out be any different to reaming the hole out ?
My opinion ! You do need to find the original hole and direction to ensure you are really plugging it. Doing that with a blunt scewer type tool(small phillips screwdriver !) by hand might be the most reliable way if the screw is not still in there. Then you can ream it by hand to feel that you are not actually making a new hole ? Putting a power tool into a tire-fitters hands to do it looks a bit risky to me, but properly done would be OK.
The plug is hard to put in and should be covered with goop which is essential as it acts as a lubricant as well as a sealant aid after fitting. Hmm there are reasons why the trade is reluctant to do this these days I guess. Good workers are hard to find !
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Tuesday 17th of September 2024 04:58:17 PM
-- Edited by Jaahn on Tuesday 17th of September 2024 04:59:12 PM
Whenarewethere said
05:05 PM Sep 17, 2024
Other than one puncture, every one were bloody screws. Hardly serious damage to the tyre, just a long term nagging irritant, but with TPMS one can fix the problem at a more convenient & or safer time.
Constantly picking up tek screws on my walks around local streets.
The only saving grace it that I have seen two trades vehicles changing tyres, probably screwed themselves.
But they won't have any ability to put two & two together.
agent13 said
07:11 PM Oct 9, 2024
Over the years I have repaired 4 tyres on various motorbikes using Tip Top repair kits. They were the sticky composite thread type kits. All these repairs were carried out by the side of the road. And all repairs lasted until the end of life of the tyres without any problems. All the repairs were in the tread section of the tyre. You should not plug a puncture in the sidewall as the plug might be compromised by flexing of the sidewall.
I have never used aerosol can repair methods. The sticky plugs are simple to use and done properly they are reliable.
As far as guarantees and insurance cover I don't know. In this risk adverse world I am sure the 'experts' will weigh in with advice. I manage my own risks.
P.S. The bikes were loaded for traveling, run at high speed (at times) and over all types of road surfaces.
-- Edited by agent13 on Wednesday 9th of October 2024 07:11:58 PM
-- Edited by agent13 on Wednesday 9th of October 2024 07:13:57 PM
Brodie Allen said
12:38 PM Oct 14, 2024
Whenarewethere wrote:
Constantly picking up tek screws on my walks around local streets.
The only saving grace it that I have seen two trades vehicles changing tyres, probably screwed themselves.
But they won't have any ability to put two & two together.
Good one, WAWT. Doesnt seem too many have picked it up!
Got a slow leak years ago from a FROG BONE! Evidently not that uncommon
in the region where we were!!
B
-- Edited by Brodie Allen on Monday 14th of October 2024 12:38:45 PM
Big Mal said
12:58 PM Oct 16, 2024
My best was a truck tyre that had a flat, it rattled when I pulled it off, once I popped the tyre off found a large bolt inside, and a good thumb sized hole in tread, this is where my training kicked in and I pronounced the tyre well and truly stuffed ............ Thankfully the new tyre wasn't coming out of my pocket....................
Many moons back my Hinda got a flat and I pulled out a can of instant tyre and squirted it in, did a fantastic job and got me to work instead of stuck out in the boonies ........... downside was new tyre and tube as the brick I hit broke it besides the goop wouldn't allow a repair anyway.
I have hand and air reamers for cleaning out the puncture before slipping a sticky core in the hole but folk do need to have some decent instruction and practical to carry out most repairs just to make things safe for all ..... My tyre levers, rubber mallet and stuff stay at home now if I need to go that far its the Tool Box in a phone now.... still carry a box of plugs,glue and my compressor, the places I travel at times its you or nobody ................
Im still looking for the fella who dropped a box of nails on the road once, 10 wheels on prime mover and 8 looked like Porcupines............
Two things - Long term after a plug fix
Long term after an aerosol can fix
What is the law for insurance coverage/long term life?
B
The repair of tyres isn't able to "qualified" by any means, so the "Law" doesn't come into it per say - Although regulations state tyres most be in good repair and condition. Regarding insurance - they are all Bastards when it come to pay out and they will move heaven and earth to minimise pay outs.
Neither would pass the "good repair and condition" test by any authority (including insurance), so if a proper and permanent repair is not performed as soon as possible, then you would be "on your own".
Personally, I would never use the aerosol muck because it would make a proper repair more difficult, or impossible.
Cheers,
Peter
Plugged 5 times in the outback. Still used those tyres for years.
When I was waiting to get new tyres at a major retailer. They were plugging a tyre for a customer. Drilled a hole through the puncture point to make it easier to plug it & put it back on the customers car.
Next time I will use a drill as it is hard work pushing a plug in a tyre. A bit easier on the outward stroke. Other than the drill I couldn't really see any difference.
P.S. they pumped up my tyres to 45psi. I had a go at them for that. They said everyone wants that pressure. I said my car says 32psi.
They did offer to let them down, I said I will do it myself. 45psi was not the most pleasant of rides home!
to me with a $65 bill.
Upon enquiry they said that they were not allowed to plug anymore - they had
to put an internal patch on the carcass.
Wonder what the rules are now?
B
have to agree with peter, better to get repaired properly than risk a failure which usually happens at the worst place /time
X2
Cheers,
Peter
They use a patch with a plug built into the patch.
I have used plugs many times, thats the core plug inserted with glue into the puncture from outside then reinflated, over the last 40 yrs many of my Fourbies and Trucks have had them used and while I did read the warnings regarding plugs they all did many miles with no issues, in fact one tyre was only a couple of hundred kms into its life and that plug caused no drama for the next probably 70K kms until they all got changed again, of course some tyres were thrown as the puncture was large and tread and belt possibly damaged a lot which would cause things to delaminate/bubble so were dumped ASAP..... Staked from a cattle grid is always a stuffed tyre, might need 3 plugs to get back to town....lol,lol......
Goop like Slime has saved me many tyre changes out bush, the tiny slow leak stakes from thorns and things, in the morning you see little green dots over the tyres but its not good if you want a internal patch done ............ saved many a tyre change in morning and tyre repair of an evening until I rip the side wall then its spanner time..
Hmm a comment from a person who has twice worked in a tire place years ago over the years and did repairs on radial truck tires too, which also included sidewall repairs. Michelin supplied suitable rema Tip top patches and instructions, including approved limitations. I do not believe I ever had a comeback on repairs I did.
I note that Rema Tip Top still have a full catalogue of items to plug and patch and repair tubeless tires in their current catalogue, including sidewall patches. https://www.rema-tiptop.com/fileadmin/data/common/downloads/catalogues/TT18058_Katalog_TRM_2018-19_EN_001-148_Final.pdf
I am not recommending people do their own repairs but just providing factual information. A problem is that not everyone can evaluate the direction of the hole and then fit a plug correctly into it. Did someone say they saw a shop drill out the hole to make it easier to fit a plug ??? Hmm not happy with that approach. I do and have fitted some plugs in tubeless tires in recent years. I check the plug after for sealing properly and if so (as always) have never done more to the repair which lasted till the tire was replaced.
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Sunday 15th of September 2024 08:15:38 PM
-- Edited by Jaahn on Sunday 15th of September 2024 08:21:20 PM
would drilling the hole out be any different to reaming the hole out?
The plug was done by BJTM, watched the entire process while waiting for my new tyres. Drilled with air tool, then plugged. It was through tread, that is the only place I have put plugs.
I personally think reaming would do less damage, & that's what I have done to date. But it is hard work getting the sticky plug into the tyre (ARB kit).
They use an air powered reaming bit.
My opinion ! You do need to find the original hole and direction to ensure you are really plugging it. Doing that with a blunt scewer type tool(small phillips screwdriver !) by hand might be the most reliable way if the screw is not still in there. Then you can ream it by hand to feel that you are not actually making a new hole ? Putting a power tool into a tire-fitters hands to do it looks a bit risky to me, but properly done would be OK.
The plug is hard to put in and should be covered with goop which is essential as it acts as a lubricant as well as a sealant aid after fitting. Hmm there are reasons why the trade is reluctant to do this these days I guess. Good workers are hard to find !
Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Tuesday 17th of September 2024 04:58:17 PM
-- Edited by Jaahn on Tuesday 17th of September 2024 04:59:12 PM
Other than one puncture, every one were bloody screws. Hardly serious damage to the tyre, just a long term nagging irritant, but with TPMS one can fix the problem at a more convenient & or safer time.
Constantly picking up tek screws on my walks around local streets.
The only saving grace it that I have seen two trades vehicles changing tyres, probably screwed themselves.
But they won't have any ability to put two & two together.
Over the years I have repaired 4 tyres on various motorbikes using Tip Top repair kits. They were the sticky composite thread type kits. All these repairs were carried out by the side of the road. And all repairs lasted until the end of life of the tyres without any problems. All the repairs were in the tread section of the tyre. You should not plug a puncture in the sidewall as the plug might be compromised by flexing of the sidewall.
I have never used aerosol can repair methods. The sticky plugs are simple to use and done properly they are reliable.
As far as guarantees and insurance cover I don't know. In this risk adverse world I am sure the 'experts' will weigh in with advice. I manage my own risks.
P.S. The bikes were loaded for traveling, run at high speed (at times) and over all types of road surfaces.
-- Edited by agent13 on Wednesday 9th of October 2024 07:11:58 PM
-- Edited by agent13 on Wednesday 9th of October 2024 07:13:57 PM
Good one, WAWT. Doesnt seem too many have picked it up!
Got a slow leak years ago from a FROG BONE! Evidently not that uncommon
in the region where we were!!
B
-- Edited by Brodie Allen on Monday 14th of October 2024 12:38:45 PM
Many moons back my Hinda got a flat and I pulled out a can of instant tyre and squirted it in, did a fantastic job and got me to work instead of stuck out in the boonies ........... downside was new tyre and tube as the brick I hit broke it besides the goop wouldn't allow a repair anyway.
I have hand and air reamers for cleaning out the puncture before slipping a sticky core in the hole but folk do need to have some decent instruction and practical to carry out most repairs just to make things safe for all ..... My tyre levers, rubber mallet and stuff stay at home now if I need to go that far its the Tool Box in a phone now.... still carry a box of plugs,glue and my compressor, the places I travel at times its you or nobody ................
Im still looking for the fella who dropped a box of nails on the road once, 10 wheels on prime mover and 8 looked like Porcupines............
Seen recently on the Canning Stock Route
Cheers,
Peter