Or a total idiot.
His insurance would cover absolutely nothing there I'd think?.
Barboots said
11:35 PM Jun 28, 2017
Best think again then. Not saying it's a great idea, but if not heavily loaded internally this could easily be legal and therefore insurable.
Radar said
11:44 PM Jun 28, 2017
If my guess is right, the tow vehicle is a Landrover, has a very high tow rating along with a very good towball rating.
Then with out guessing the caravan is a Jayco unless doctored up a with couple of extra water tanks throw in extra frig or two, nay they are general lighter then some most caravans.
Before anyone said its sitting low. Landrover have auto ride height. It sitting down until the motor starts.
Its legal.
-- Edited by Radar on Wednesday 28th of June 2017 11:47:39 PM
Yuglamron said
07:27 AM Jun 29, 2017
Reckon Europe has it right. Towed vehicle be it Caravan whatever can only be 80% of the weight of the Tug.
Here the Industry are talking about Four Ton vans.................................
Dougwe said
08:24 AM Jun 29, 2017
I can't be 100% sure but I think I have seen that posted on the forum as someones rig, Paul. I have had a quick look around but can't find it.
You haven't bought a new tug recently have you
SouthernComfort said
09:08 AM Jun 29, 2017
It's Range Rover Sport. Tow cap 3500kgs, ball load 250kgs. Looks to me like a 2011/12ish model. Can't see the problem.
banjo said
10:58 AM Jun 29, 2017
Maybe not sensible but totally legal. As said above Range Rover Sport.
aussie_paul said
11:07 AM Jun 29, 2017
Legal does NOT mean safe
Aussie Paul.
Aus-Kiwi said
01:01 PM Jun 29, 2017
Hey speak for yourself !! Lol
DAVEY123 said
05:00 PM Jun 29, 2017
If its the 4.4 CDI Range Rover (i used to work at factory ) its 740 Nm and 250 K watt . might be OK.
-- Edited by DAVEY123 on Thursday 29th of June 2017 05:03:09 PM
El Gringo said
05:48 PM Jun 29, 2017
Different to the old days, this is a pic from our 4 week holiday in 1969 towing a 30' van behind out stock standard Mk2 Zephyr.
BUT. Roads were nowhere near so busy. traffic more "lazy".
The whole world travelled at a different speed.
MY first van was a 28ft behind Land Rover in 'late '63 (UK)
20\25mph was usual when towing.
AND NOBODY WHINGED.
Unfortunately..... We all looking for the angels nowadays.
Aus-Kiwi said
08:24 PM Jun 29, 2017
Yea we had bad roads here too !! Lol
montie said
08:59 PM Jun 29, 2017
aussie_paul wrote:
Legal does NOT mean safe
Aussie Paul.
Dead right.
It is my opinion, in the interest of safe towing that the loaded weight of the tug should exceed the loaded van by at least 10%.
Not a legal requirement......but not safe either.
Montie
The Belmont Bear said
09:05 PM Jun 29, 2017
If that's a Range Rover Sport and has the towing specs quoted, the van looks like it's a 25' Jayco Sterling with a slide out, the weights quoted on used caravan sites for this van are around 2200kg tare, 2700/2800 ATM so why would it not be legal ? In terms of safety I would rather own this rig than the one pictured below from the 60s even if as Macca suggested there was less traffic on the roads. The Zephyr had virtually no safety features to protect it's passengers, the suspension was probably stock standard, the van's suspension was basic and it wouldn't have had anything like a WDH, electric braking or sway control to help control the load - to top it all off the roads in Australia were utter crap. I doubt there were towing courses available in the 60s and it would have been highly unlikely that the authorities would have pulled you over and checked your weights .. compared to the past maybe we are not in quite as bad a situation as some people like to make out.
Eaglemax said
10:58 PM Jun 29, 2017
Poor old Zephyr. A 2.5 litre 6 cylinder towing that old girl...lol. 2nd gear all the way I guess. Friend of mine had a Ford Ranch wagon towing a 28FT Franklin. About 50ft rig. Quite a site.
Aus-Kiwi said
11:20 PM Jun 29, 2017
There wasn't much better around at the time !
SouthernComfort said
08:24 AM Jun 30, 2017
Not sure what road conditions have to do with it. The RR's ability wouldn't be an issue, it's a mule and more than capable of hauling that Jayco and no less so than Prado, Pajero etc. I think once again we're being led (by some) into the world of "if it's not in the magic 4 it's not up to the job"
-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Friday 30th of June 2017 08:29:18 AM
macka17 said
11:28 AM Jun 30, 2017
Nothing to do with the "Magic 4" Tony.
I've got a D-Max 2010. but did have 2 x patrols prior to,
It's ALL to do with SENSIBLE Weight ratios and lengths.
Long van. Short tug. Equates to LOTS of leverage from behind.
Can make tyre grip on roads rather tenuous at times.
Weights. Read on here Posts galore.
Sensible SAFE loads equate to as near 1\2 ton as possible MORE weight in tug than van.
Nearer the half ton the better.
Mine is 3t rated,with 2 ton van.
These people with the BIG. Heavy vans.
Regardless of weight figures stated on paper.
WILL have lots of problems when they do FINALLY
get their act together regarding weight scales and checks.
NONE of the current veh's sold over the counter can safely tow these huge vans being rolled out now. and getting bigger.
IF BOTH LOADED...
Once weight added, It negates t'other tow capabilities with 99% of them.
There will be a lot of small trucks and licences being changed.
OR. More sensibly. LOTS of huge vans in dealers yards.
NOT able to sell.
The correct way to go.
There's no NEED for those bloody things.
Ideal long term tourer for 2. = around 6.5 mtr semi OFFroad.
General vanning.
16ft to 18ft. Preferably full height and Tandem with largest ones.
I hate ducking and banging head in doorway.
Semi OFF, RTeason being that they built stronger. Actual BOLTS in them
Not just staples and glue.
And NEVER buy a van with PINE frame. Even the treated pine.
Meranti MINIMUM.
Pine is good for firewood at best.
SouthernComfort said
03:18 PM Jun 30, 2017
macka17 wrote:
.......Pine is good for firewood at best.
So long as it's not treated mate, that'd be a life shortener!
Desert Dweller said
07:47 PM Jun 30, 2017
It looks marginally OK to me. More worrying was a Subaru Forrester with 2 large fishing canoes on top towing a dual axle van that would have weighed at least 2,000kg that we saw a few days ago. Duck for cover, it's getting dangerous out there!
landy said
09:54 PM Jun 30, 2017
Eaglemax wrote:
Poor old Zephyr. A 2.5 litre 6 cylinder towing that old girl...lol. 2nd gear all the way I guess. Friend of mine had a Ford Ranch wagon towing a 28FT Franklin. About 50ft rig. Quite a site.
If memory serves me and I'm not mistaken the old Zephyr was only a three speed box to start with.
SouthernComfort said
08:05 AM Jul 1, 2017
landy wrote:
Eaglemax wrote:
Poor old Zephyr. A 2.5 litre 6 cylinder towing that old girl...lol. 2nd gear all the way I guess. Friend of mine had a Ford Ranch wagon towing a 28FT Franklin. About 50ft rig. Quite a site.
If memory serves me and I'm not mistaken the old Zephyr was only a three speed box to start with.
Yes, three on the tree. The Mk 3 Zephyr came with four on the tree, and Mk4 had four on the floor (Mk4 was never imported/sold in AU). Apologies for the useless trivia!
msg said
06:26 PM Jul 1, 2017
Not sure, but the MK2 Zephyr would have been quite old in 1969. My husband had one in about 1967. It wasn't young then. Dad used to tow a caravan with a soft top Vauxhall. Slept the six of us. More trivia.
landy said
10:25 PM Jul 1, 2017
Nothing wrong with a bit of trivia. Just got to check and see if it is allowed in Techies corner.
landy said
10:32 PM Jul 1, 2017
Mark 2 Zepher ran from 1956 to 1962 according to Wikipedia.
SouthernComfort said
09:32 AM Jul 2, 2017
landy wrote:
Mark 2 Zepher ran from 1956 to 1962 according to Wikipedia.
Such good cars, strong as an Ox. Always loved Zephyr's, and especially the luxury model Zodiac - that was the pinnacle!
Big Mal said
08:32 AM Jul 3, 2017
Change the camera angle and it will look totally okay..................................................I saw a Kluger towing a 20ft van down in Vic, mate and I were amazed.
Holdens apart from the big Block Chevvy one.
were all underpowered, Gutless. terrible seat comfort, vehicles.
After the old HQ.
No good to tow with that one.,
but lovely 149 donk. Smooth as.
Same as those Toyota 4wd,s. Ute and wagon.
Till they put 4 valves in the 100 head. Then brought out the V8,
they were all sewing machines.
Gutless as. Standard.
That's why you couldn't kill them.
They wouldn't go anywhere to start with. chuckle.
It doesn't quite look right to me.
Aussie Paul.
Or a total idiot.
His insurance would cover absolutely nothing there I'd think?.
If my guess is right, the tow vehicle is a Landrover, has a very high tow rating along with a very good towball rating.
Then with out guessing the caravan is a Jayco unless doctored up a with couple of extra water tanks throw in extra frig or two, nay they are general lighter then some most caravans.
Before anyone said its sitting low. Landrover have auto ride height. It sitting down until the motor starts.
Its legal.
-- Edited by Radar on Wednesday 28th of June 2017 11:47:39 PM
Reckon Europe has it right. Towed vehicle be it Caravan whatever can only be 80% of the weight of the Tug.
Here the Industry are talking about Four Ton vans.................................
I can't be 100% sure but I think I have seen that posted on the forum as someones rig, Paul. I have had a quick look around but can't find it.
You haven't bought a new tug recently have you
Legal does NOT mean safe
Aussie Paul.
If its the 4.4 CDI Range Rover (i used to work at factory ) its 740 Nm and 250 K watt . might be OK.
-- Edited by DAVEY123 on Thursday 29th of June 2017 05:03:09 PM
Different to the old days, this is a pic from our 4 week holiday in 1969 towing a 30' van behind out stock standard Mk2 Zephyr.
Cheers,
BUT. Roads were nowhere near so busy. traffic more "lazy".
The whole world travelled at a different speed.
MY first van was a 28ft behind Land Rover in 'late '63 (UK)
20\25mph was usual when towing.
AND NOBODY WHINGED.
Unfortunately..... We all looking for the angels nowadays.
Dead right.
It is my opinion, in the interest of safe towing that the loaded weight of the tug should exceed the loaded van by at least 10%.
Not a legal requirement......but not safe either.
Montie
If that's a Range Rover Sport and has the towing specs quoted, the van looks like it's a 25' Jayco Sterling with a slide out, the weights quoted on used caravan sites for this van are around 2200kg tare, 2700/2800 ATM so why would it not be legal ? In terms of safety I would rather own this rig than the one pictured below from the 60s even if as Macca suggested there was less traffic on the roads. The Zephyr had virtually no safety features to protect it's passengers, the suspension was probably stock standard, the van's suspension was basic and it wouldn't have had anything like a WDH, electric braking or sway control to help control the load - to top it all off the roads in Australia were utter crap. I doubt there were towing courses available in the 60s and it would have been highly unlikely that the authorities would have pulled you over and checked your weights .. compared to the past maybe we are not in quite as bad a situation as some people like to make out.
Not sure what road conditions have to do with it. The RR's ability wouldn't be an issue, it's a mule and more than capable of hauling that Jayco and no less so than Prado, Pajero etc. I think once again we're being led (by some) into the world of "if it's not in the magic 4 it's not up to the job"
-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Friday 30th of June 2017 08:29:18 AM
I've got a D-Max 2010. but did have 2 x patrols prior to,
It's ALL to do with SENSIBLE Weight ratios and lengths.
Long van. Short tug. Equates to LOTS of leverage from behind.
Can make tyre grip on roads rather tenuous at times.
Weights. Read on here Posts galore.
Sensible SAFE loads equate to as near 1\2 ton as possible MORE weight in tug than van.
Nearer the half ton the better.
Mine is 3t rated,with 2 ton van.
These people with the BIG. Heavy vans.
Regardless of weight figures stated on paper.
WILL have lots of problems when they do FINALLY
get their act together regarding weight scales and checks.
NONE of the current veh's sold over the counter can safely tow these huge vans being rolled out now. and getting bigger.
IF BOTH LOADED...
Once weight added, It negates t'other tow capabilities with 99% of them.
There will be a lot of small trucks and licences being changed.
OR. More sensibly. LOTS of huge vans in dealers yards.
NOT able to sell.
The correct way to go.
There's no NEED for those bloody things.
Ideal long term tourer for 2. = around 6.5 mtr semi OFFroad.
General vanning.
16ft to 18ft. Preferably full height and Tandem with largest ones.
I hate ducking and banging head in doorway.
Semi OFF, RTeason being that they built stronger. Actual BOLTS in them
Not just staples and glue.
And NEVER buy a van with PINE frame. Even the treated pine.
Meranti MINIMUM.
Pine is good for firewood at best.
So long as it's not treated mate, that'd be a life shortener!
If memory serves me and I'm not mistaken the old Zephyr was only a three speed box to start with.
Yes, three on the tree. The Mk 3 Zephyr came with four on the tree, and Mk4 had four on the floor (Mk4 was never imported/sold in AU). Apologies for the useless trivia!
Such good cars, strong as an Ox. Always loved Zephyr's, and especially the luxury model Zodiac - that was the pinnacle!
Equal to our Falcon. Fairmont, and Fairlane.
Best tractor on the road was the old Valiants.
but you had to tow a tanker behind it.
Holdens apart from the big Block Chevvy one.
were all underpowered, Gutless. terrible seat comfort, vehicles.
After the old HQ.
No good to tow with that one.,
but lovely 149 donk. Smooth as.
Same as those Toyota 4wd,s. Ute and wagon.
Till they put 4 valves in the 100 head. Then brought out the V8,
they were all sewing machines.
Gutless as. Standard.
That's why you couldn't kill them.
They wouldn't go anywhere to start with. chuckle.