Get OFL fitted to your gas bottle or buy new bottle with OFL fitted. With OFL you can refill your own gas bottles 9kG $9 cheapest $15.50 most expensive paid. Gen around $10.50
Ignatius
Duckster said
09:33 AM Oct 28, 2011
If you get OFL fitted to your bottle or buy new bottle with OFL fitted refill your own bottle. 9kg refill $9 to $15.50. Gen pay about $10.50 regional and $13 rural areas. Most paid $15.50
Ignatius
-- Edited by Duckster on Friday 28th of October 2011 09:34:28 AM
Happywanderer said
09:42 AM Oct 28, 2011
What is OFL Duckster??
Duckster said
09:47 AM Oct 28, 2011
OFL Over Fill Limiting valve. Prevents gas bottle from overfilling. Took the new bottles to test station and had OFL fitted.
traveling bob said
10:05 AM Oct 28, 2011
If you have OFL fitted how do you know how much gas you are being charged for when you get it filled?
cannylass said
02:59 PM Oct 28, 2011
We find B B galore quite reasonable in south Nowra
cannylass said
03:03 PM Oct 28, 2011
Just asked hubby and BBgalore in south Nowra$22
Goanna said
03:10 PM Oct 28, 2011
BP SALT ASH Port Stephens NSW, 9kg fill $19.95....Cheers.
Ron and Shirley said
04:30 PM Oct 28, 2011
Duckster wrote:
Get OFL fitted to your gas bottle or buy new bottle with OFL fitted. With OFL you can refill your own gas bottles 9kG $9 cheapest $15.50 most expensive paid. Gen around $10.50
Ignatius
Sounds like you are paying "Autogas" price for your gas.
Is it legal to fill 9kg domestic gas bottles from the vehicle gas pumps at the servo?
delapan said
04:41 PM Oct 28, 2011
NO NO NO, i believe her in vic $50,000 fine if caught, gary
goinsoon said
04:46 PM Oct 28, 2011
NO NO NO also!! highly illegal and it is a different gas mixture
Ma said
04:54 PM Oct 28, 2011
Ron and Shirley wrote:
Duckster wrote:
Get OFL fitted to your gas bottle or buy new bottle with OFL fitted. With OFL you can refill your own gas bottles 9kG $9 cheapest $15.50 most expensive paid. Gen around $10.50
Ignatius
Sounds like you are paying "Autogas" price for your gas.
Is it legal to fill 9kg domestic gas bottles from the vehicle gas pumps at the servo?
While it might not be quite legal, I have it from a reliable source that it is the same gas in the bowser that they fill up your bottles with.
The servos can charge more for the refills.
goinsoon said
05:29 PM Oct 28, 2011
Ma wrote:
Ron and Shirley wrote:
Duckster wrote:
Get OFL fitted to your gas bottle or buy new bottle with OFL fitted. With OFL you can refill your own gas bottles 9kG $9 cheapest $15.50 most expensive paid. Gen around $10.50
Ignatius
Sounds like you are paying "Autogas" price for your gas.
Is it legal to fill 9kg domestic gas bottles from the vehicle gas pumps at the servo?
While it might not be quite legal, I have it from a reliable source that it is the same gas in the bowser that they fill up your bottles with.
The servos can charge more for the refills.
Elaine, I have done some checking up on this, firstly it is highly illegal with huge fines up to $40,000.00
Autogas is a mixture of propane and butane to increase octane rating.
Cyl lpg is propane
It is not only illegal to use autogas in portable cylinders but very dangerous
Duckster said
05:35 PM Oct 28, 2011
With OFL fitted gas bottle cannot be overfilled
Perfectly legal with 10 mins training and get a certificate from gas company
Autogas is the same gas fill up bulk cylinders for filling bottles
Happywanderer said
05:52 PM Oct 28, 2011
So there is a difference between the two? I don't like using gas anyway so would hate to think the wrong one had been put in my gas bottle.
Duckster said
06:19 PM Oct 28, 2011
Interesting but rubbish. How come we dont get killed in our campervan in Europe where we use butane, propane butane mix or propane all on the same appliances. Gas regulators and jets internationally are now referred to for universal gas. Australia & NZ have ratified the universal gas standard. Asked Dometic and Swift Appliances if changes were needed with gas mix. Said no changes were necessary. Brought back a Truma automatic change over regulator from Germany and marked universal gas. Post on the UK and German forums and they will kill themselves laughing about killing people with carbon monoxide from burning butane or butane propane mix.
How come thousands are not dying using autogas? Every grey nomad with LPG vehicle has a tap to draw off liquid to fill 9kg bottles. Personally know 20 with adapters to fill 9kg bottles with autogas and amazing all alive and well.
Duckster said
06:23 PM Oct 28, 2011
Happywanderer wrote:
So there is a difference between the two? I don't like using gas anyway so would hate to think the wrong one had been put in my gas bottle.
Some of the servos refill 9kg bottle from the pump or refill their filler bottles from the pump. Same tanker fills up autogas fills up bulk bottle to fill small gas bottles
Happywanderer said
06:24 PM Oct 28, 2011
Thanks Duckster, that clarifies the situation. In plainspeak which I can understand.
Duckster said
06:32 PM Oct 28, 2011
These decisions by New Zealand have resulted in agreement by GTRC members to work proactively to progress mutual recognition of regulations relating to use of gas appliances across Australia and New Zealand, where possible. Initial discussions focussed on the mutual recognition of regulations relating to natural gas appliances. For LPG appliances, mutual recognition is not straightforward. It is proposed to allow for mutual recognition of LPG appliances tested to operate safely on universal LPG, and permanently exempt those LPG appliances not tested to operate safely on universal LPG and flueless cabinet heaters
New South Wales Ministry of Energy and Utilities and Office of Fair Trading NSW; South Australia Office of the Technical Regulator; Western Australia Energy Safety WA; Queensland Department of Mines and Energy; Tasmania Workplace Standards Tasmania; Northern Territory NT WorkSafe; Australian Capital Territory ACT Planning and Land Authority; New Zealand Energy Safety, Ministry of Economic Development.
goinsoon said
06:48 PM Oct 28, 2011
At this stage and with the stoves currently available, I would rather listen to qualified experts who strongly advise against using propane/butane mixture in stoves, but people here can listen to self claimed experts on different forums including this one and make their olwn minds up.
Me I will pay the small difference and buy the correct stuff avoid the penalties and styay safe
-- Edited by goinsoon on Friday 28th of October 2011 06:48:38 PM
Ma said
06:48 PM Oct 28, 2011
Sorry I opened a can of worms here but it's better to be informed or at least to hear all sides of the cube and then make our own informed decisions
Ron and Shirley said
06:49 PM Oct 28, 2011
Duckster wrote:
With OFL fitted gas bottle cannot be overfilled
Perfectly legal with 10 mins training and get a certificate from gas company
Autogas is the same gas fill up bulk cylinders for filling bottles
Well that puts a different slant on your original posts, as it is not for the average Caravanner with no gas certification. Maybe things are different around Albury re service stations allowing you to fill your 9kg bottle, LOL.
Yes Gary and Goingsoon, I was fully aware what you have posted is the case.
However David just needed enough rope. His follow ups have confirmed, which I have seen before on other Forums.
Soon we will get the Mac Coupler story, LOL.
HW just pay your moneys at the Camping stores, and the servos that fill from the large bottles, and all will be well. Rip off, most definitely, but why take the risk playing with gas.
Something I copied from another forum some time ago
Firstly the Autogas issue - the gas you want in your van has to be a MINIMUM of 97% Propane (it will have a small amount of Butane & Isobutanes in it). The autogas product doesn't have to comply to this requirement. The Butane & Isobutanes don't burn as cleanly (produce some Carbon Monoxide) which is fine coming out the exhaust of a car, but not so good coming off your stove. I'm not saying that autogas isn't 97% Propane, but it doesn't have to be, so it's a pretty big gamble to take.
Happywanderer said
06:52 PM Oct 28, 2011
Oh I do Ron and Shirley. I will always go to the proper place to fill my bottle. Was just querying all the different angles on this subject, there is so many different point of views.
ChiChi1 said
08:45 PM Oct 28, 2011
So, with those cheap stoves with the butane gas canisters, its a no no to use them inside the van. Must be outdoors.
pauline said
08:48 PM Oct 28, 2011
Good question ChiChi
gubby said
10:56 AM Oct 29, 2011
The Health Risk
(Australian) LPG gas appliances are specifically designed to burn pure propane at the temperature that ensures the complete combustion that is vital to ensure to prevent the otherwise generation of deadly carbon monoxide: this temperature varies from gas to gas. Most Autogas contains butane and that butane has sufficiently different chemical characteristics as to preclude complete combustion in an appliance intended to run on propane. There is thus a very real risk of carbon monoxide gas being generated. (European LPG is a mixture of propane and butane, but the associated appliances are designed accordingly).
The AIPs Safety and Standards Officer, Stephen Reynolds confirms that the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning is very real. He told The Wanderer that [Australian] appliances are approved for propane . . . but Autogas generally contains butane. Appliances run on this will not have pure combustion. . . this will affect different appliances variously. . . but some become virtual carbon monoxide generators.
The only too real dangers of carbon monoxide poisoning have been stressed in The Wanderer from time to time. It is not something to mess with even low levels are particularly dangerous for older people and even more so for those with high blood pressure. Australian data is not available but it kills over 30,000 Americans each year. Most were campers and RV users who misused gas appliances. The Insurance Risk
Substituting Autogas for bottled LPG has serious insurance implications. The practice is illegal and almost all insurance policies explicitly exclude cover for any accident that is a consequence of illegal action.
Gary Hughes of Ken Tame and Associates advises The Wanderer that because purchasing Autogas for domestic use is an illegal activity, any accident, injury or death that may occur as a result of this type of activity would probably invalidate most insurance policies, including compulsory third party insurance. Could such gas substitution be subsequently detected? You bet: the insurance industry is well aware of this practice: the content of your gas bottle is the first thing the investigator will check.
Just Re-iterating what has already been said.... Duckster this is not rubbish.....
You are condoning a deadly practice....
-- Edited by gubby on Saturday 29th of October 2011 11:00:42 AM
Happywanderer said
11:23 AM Oct 29, 2011
Thanks gubby, good to hear from you again with your sensible advice. Looking forward to seeing Marion and your good self at Greens. Do you think you will be able to make it for a couple of days?
Gerty Dancer said
02:04 PM Oct 29, 2011
gubby wrote:
To the ones that claim there is no difference, would you sit in a caravan with the exhaust of a vehicle running on Autogas connected into the van.... That is what you are doing if you burn autogas in your stove....
Not to mention the sickening smell of rotten egg gas, often detected when near a car fuelled by Autogas.
goinsoon said
04:13 PM Oct 29, 2011
Thanks Gubby for the backup, there are too many self claimed experts around, I would rather go by the advice from qualified experts who agree with the stance that we both take and that is two different gases, use each for what they are intended and all will be well.
gubby said
08:26 PM Oct 29, 2011
Hi HW still hoping to get too Greens, will know for sure shortly, let you know as soon as possible.
Goinsoon, I just can't believe how some people can give advice on things that can seriously effect peoples lives....
Get OFL fitted to your gas bottle or buy new bottle with OFL fitted. With OFL you can refill your own gas bottles 9kG $9 cheapest $15.50 most expensive paid. Gen around $10.50
Ignatius
If you get OFL fitted to your bottle or buy new bottle with OFL fitted refill your own bottle. 9kg refill $9 to $15.50. Gen pay about $10.50 regional and $13 rural areas. Most paid $15.50
Ignatius
-- Edited by Duckster on Friday 28th of October 2011 09:34:28 AM
OFL Over Fill Limiting valve. Prevents gas bottle from overfilling. Took the new bottles to test station and had OFL fitted.
Just asked hubby and BBgalore in south Nowra$22
BP SALT ASH Port Stephens NSW, 9kg fill $19.95....Cheers.
Sounds like you are paying "Autogas" price for your gas.
Is it legal to fill 9kg domestic gas bottles from the vehicle gas pumps at the servo?
NO NO NO, i believe her in vic $50,000 fine if caught, gary
NO NO NO also!! highly illegal and it is a different gas mixture
While it might not be quite legal, I have it from a reliable source that it is the same gas in the bowser that they fill up your bottles with.
The servos can charge more for the refills.
Elaine, I have done some checking up on this, firstly it is highly illegal with huge fines up to $40,000.00
Autogas is a mixture of propane and butane to increase octane rating.
Cyl lpg is propane
It is not only illegal to use autogas in portable cylinders but very dangerous
With OFL fitted gas bottle cannot be overfilled
Perfectly legal with 10 mins training and get a certificate from gas company
Autogas is the same gas fill up bulk cylinders for filling bottles
Interesting but rubbish. How come we dont get killed in our campervan in Europe where we use butane, propane butane mix or propane all on the same appliances. Gas regulators and jets internationally are now referred to for universal gas. Australia & NZ have ratified the universal gas standard. Asked Dometic and Swift Appliances if changes were needed with gas mix. Said no changes were necessary. Brought back a Truma automatic change over regulator from Germany and marked universal gas. Post on the UK and German forums and they will kill themselves laughing about killing people with carbon monoxide from burning butane or butane propane mix.
How come thousands are not dying using autogas? Every grey nomad with LPG vehicle has a tap to draw off liquid to fill 9kg bottles. Personally know 20 with adapters to fill 9kg bottles with autogas and amazing all alive and well.
Some of the servos refill 9kg bottle from the pump or refill their filler bottles from the pump. Same tanker fills up autogas fills up bulk bottle to fill small gas bottles
These decisions by New Zealand have resulted in agreement by GTRC members to
work proactively to progress mutual recognition of regulations relating to use of gas
appliances across Australia and New Zealand, where possible. Initial discussions
focussed on the mutual recognition of regulations relating to natural gas appliances.
For LPG appliances, mutual recognition is not straightforward. It is proposed to allow
for mutual recognition of LPG appliances tested to operate safely on universal LPG,
and permanently exempt those LPG appliances not tested to operate safely on
universal LPG and flueless cabinet heaters
New South Wales Ministry of Energy and Utilities and Office of Fair Trading NSW;
South Australia Office of the Technical Regulator;
Western Australia Energy Safety WA;
Queensland Department of Mines and Energy;
Tasmania Workplace Standards Tasmania;
Northern Territory NT WorkSafe;
Australian Capital Territory ACT Planning and Land Authority;
New Zealand Energy Safety, Ministry of Economic Development.
At this stage and with the stoves currently available, I would rather listen to qualified experts who strongly advise against using propane/butane mixture in stoves, but people here can listen to self claimed experts on different forums including this one and make their olwn minds up.
Me I will pay the small difference and buy the correct stuff avoid the penalties and styay safe
-- Edited by goinsoon on Friday 28th of October 2011 06:48:38 PM
Sorry I opened a can of worms here but it's better to be informed or at least to hear all sides of the cube and then make our own informed decisions
Well that puts a different slant on your original posts, as it is not for the average Caravanner with no gas certification. Maybe things are different around Albury re service stations allowing you to fill your 9kg bottle, LOL.
Yes Gary and Goingsoon, I was fully aware what you have posted is the case.
However David just needed enough rope. His follow ups have confirmed, which I have seen before on other Forums.
Soon we will get the Mac Coupler story, LOL.
HW just pay your moneys at the Camping stores, and the servos that fill from the large bottles, and all will be well. Rip off, most definitely, but why take the risk playing with gas.
Something I copied from another forum some time ago
Firstly the Autogas issue - the gas you want in your van has to be a MINIMUM of 97% Propane (it will have a small amount of Butane & Isobutanes in it). The autogas product doesn't have to comply to this requirement. The Butane & Isobutanes don't burn as cleanly (produce some Carbon Monoxide) which is fine coming out the exhaust of a car, but not so good coming off your stove. I'm not saying that autogas isn't 97% Propane, but it doesn't have to be, so it's a pretty big gamble to take.
Was just querying all the different angles on this subject, there is so many different point of views.
The Health Risk
(Australian) LPG gas appliances are specifically designed to burn pure propane at the temperature that ensures the complete combustion that is vital to ensure to prevent the otherwise generation of deadly carbon monoxide: this temperature varies from gas to gas. Most Autogas contains butane and that butane has sufficiently different chemical characteristics as to preclude complete combustion in an appliance intended to run on propane. There is thus a very real risk of carbon monoxide gas being generated. (European LPG is a mixture of propane and butane, but the associated appliances are designed accordingly).
The AIPs Safety and Standards Officer, Stephen Reynolds confirms that the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning is very real. He told The Wanderer that [Australian] appliances are approved for propane . . . but Autogas generally contains butane. Appliances run on this will not have pure combustion. . . this will affect different appliances variously. . . but some become virtual carbon monoxide generators.
The only too real dangers of carbon monoxide poisoning have been stressed in The Wanderer from time to time. It is not something to mess with even low levels are particularly dangerous for older people and even more so for those with high blood pressure. Australian data is not available but it kills over 30,000 Americans each year. Most were campers and RV users who misused gas appliances. The Insurance Risk
Substituting Autogas for bottled LPG has serious insurance implications. The practice is illegal and almost all insurance policies explicitly exclude cover for any accident that is a consequence of illegal action.
Gary Hughes of Ken Tame and Associates advises The Wanderer that because purchasing Autogas for domestic use is an illegal activity, any accident, injury or death that may occur as a result of this type of activity would probably invalidate most insurance policies, including compulsory third party insurance. Could such gas substitution be subsequently detected? You bet: the insurance industry is well aware of this practice: the content of your gas bottle is the first thing the investigator will check.
Just Re-iterating what has already been said.... Duckster this is not rubbish.....
You are condoning a deadly practice....
-- Edited by gubby on Saturday 29th of October 2011 11:00:42 AM
Looking forward to seeing Marion and your good self at Greens. Do you think you will be able to make it for a couple of days?
Not to mention the sickening smell of rotten egg gas, often detected when near a car fuelled by Autogas.
Thanks Gubby for the backup, there are too many self claimed experts around, I would rather go by the advice from qualified experts who agree with the stance that we both take and that is two different gases, use each for what they are intended and all will be well.
Hi HW still hoping to get too Greens, will know for sure shortly, let you know as soon as possible.
Goinsoon, I just can't believe how some people can give advice on things that can seriously effect peoples lives....