Earlier on in the thread I asked the question "how will becoming a republic make the day to day lives better ?"
So I will define the question more clearly " how with becoming a republic benefit Me"
And supplementary question "how much are you prepared to Pay for the Change"
I dont expect a clear or sensible answer, because there is no answer because it's all about the vibe.
Santa said
11:23 AM May 7, 2023
Gundog wrote:
Earlier on in the thread I asked the question "how will becoming a republic make the day to day lives better ?"
So I will define the question more clearly " how with becoming a republic benefit Me"
And supplementary question "how much are you prepared to Pay for the Change"
I dont expect a clear or sensible answer, because there is no answer because it's all about the vibe.
It won't benefit me Graham, nor will it benefit the vast majority of Australians, it will however come at enormous cost, probably OK as it will benefit those among us who are still willing to work (big boost to the economy)
Of course there would be a psychological benefit to them that harbour a hatred of the Monarchy, I suspect that deep down these republicans would like to see a repeat of the overthrow of the Romanov dynasty and the consequent murder of Czar Nicholas and his family, life under the Czar may not have been ideal, however what followed was a debacle, the results have carried over to the current era, with one murderous leader after another.
God Save The King
deverall11 said
11:32 AM May 7, 2023
Correct it's all about the vibe. The vibe being to let go of mother's apron strings and be us. Let go of what reminds us this country was invaded by monarchs. Let go of the feeling of being a colony of Britain. Still belong to the Commonwealth but not under the 'ruling' of Britain. This might be hard for the hard line monarchs but you are in Australia now. Just like immigrants who move to Australia for a better life want to still call their country of origin home. Australia is home. Will it make the day to day life better, most likely for First Peoples and Torres Strait islanders. Maybe not so for those who have strong ties to the British monarch, be it because this is where they came from, this is where their families are etc...
NOT MY KING
-- Edited by deverall11 on Sunday 7th of May 2023 11:33:20 AM
Gundog said
12:20 PM May 7, 2023
deverall11 wrote:
Correct it's all about the vibe.
The vibe being to let go of mother's apron strings and be us. Let go of what reminds us this country was invaded by monarchs.
Let go of the feeling of being a colony of Britain. We let go those apron strings in 1901
Still belong to the Commonwealth but not under the 'ruling' of Britain. We further removed the link with with the Westminister Act in 1942 and the Australa Act in 1986
This might be hard for the hard line monarchs but you are in Australia now. I have been in Australia all my life, with no ties to Britian
Just like immigrants who move to Australia for a better life want to still call their country of origin home. Australia is home.
Will it make the day to day life better, most likely for First Peoples and Torres Strait islanders.
Maybe not so for those who have strong ties to the British monarch, be it because this is where they came from, this is where their families are etc... My Heritage is Australian, British, American and Spanish
NOT MY KING Is my King and Colonel in Chief of my Corps and The Govener General is my Commander in Chief
Oh you havn't said how much you are prepared to pay to become a republic
-- Edited by Gundog on Sunday 7th of May 2023 12:21:54 PM
dorian said
12:50 PM May 7, 2023
Santa wrote:
God Save The King
Why?
Please explain to me why you are a monarchist. What can Charles Windsor do for you? What have his forbears done for you?
Cuppa said
01:42 PM May 7, 2023
Having been raised 'knowing my place', & tugging my forelock to the landed gentry.
I always wondered why us, the commoners were expected to swear allegiance to the the monarch, indeed why some folk had the birthright to consider themselves superior to others.
If allegiance is to be sworn I feel it should be the monarch swearing allegiance to the people not the other way around.
dorian said
01:50 PM May 7, 2023
As usual, The Shovel is right on.
Lucky There Isn't a Cost-Of-Living Crisis, Otherwise Parading About With a Diamond Encrusted Orb Might Look Out of Touch:
Gundog,
Are you serious or delusional?
Let go of the feeling of being a colony of Britain. We let go those apron strings in 1901
So why are still tied to the Chuck & co?
You want to cherish a king who married a princess who he could not hang on to and got tied up with some one who looks like
a hat full of A$$holes?
Still belong to the Commonwealth but not under the 'ruling' of Britain. We further removed the link with with the Westminister Act in 1942 and the Australa Act in 1986
Australian parliament is based on Westminster. Wikipedia says:The Westminster system or Westminster model is a type of parliamentary government that incorporates a series of procedures for operating a legislature. This concept was first developed in England.
Maybe not so for those who have strong ties to the British monarch, be it because this is where they came from, this is where their families are etc... My Heritage is Australian, British, American and Spanish.
From your comments you sound more British and the others.
Will it make the day to day life better, most likely for First Peoples and Torres Strait islanders. No comments or are you afraid of being PC or maybe even racists?
NOT MY KING Is my King and Colonel in Chief of my Corps and The Govener General is my Commander in Chief. NOT MY KING referred to a comment made
by SANTA. Are you still in the armed forces even at your age? The position of Governor General could be the same as president of Australia.
What costs are you talking about? Maybe $AUD190 millions to become a republic.?!
Possum3 said
02:50 PM May 7, 2023
Cuppa wrote:
If allegiance is to be sworn I feel it should be the monarch swearing allegiance to the people not the other way around.
Had you have watched the ceremony, you would have noted that is what he in fact did.
dogbox said
02:58 PM May 7, 2023
dorian wrote:
As usual, The Shovel is right on.
Lucky There Isn't a Cost-Of-Living Crisis, Otherwise Parading About With a Diamond Encrusted Orb Might Look Out of Touch:
maybe we should cancel all the football games, the rock concerts, fireworks, stage productions ect ect ect. then they poor people doing it tuff will have to find something else to complain about
just think of all the people who would be earning a quid as result of the rich strutting around looking like dandies, that money would go home to feed the kids, pay the mortgage and all the rest . how many foreigners would have traveled to the UK to be part of/witness the event i will bet that there would hardly be a spare hotel/bed n breakfast room available anywhere near London.
Cuppa said
03:08 PM May 7, 2023
Possum3 wrote:
Cuppa wrote:
If allegiance is to be sworn I feel it should be the monarch swearing allegiance to the people not the other way around.
Had you have watched the ceremony, you would have noted that is what he in fact did.
If we had a TV (or indeed internet at the time - as is usual it went out with the rain) I may have had a peek, but if that's what he did I'll give him a 'star' for that. What it actually means beyond words is yet to be seen. I'm not holding my breath.
dogbox said
03:09 PM May 7, 2023
Cuppa wrote:
Having been raised 'knowing my place', & tugging my forelock to the landed gentry.
I always wondered why us, the commoners were expected to swear allegiance to the the monarch, indeed why some folk had the birthright to consider themselves superior to others.
If allegiance is to be sworn I feel it should be the monarch swearing allegiance to the people not the other way around.
i suppose it is like a pecking order, pretty common all though the animal world. with us some people float to the top an the rest of use settle to our own level
Cuppa said
03:13 PM May 7, 2023
dogbox wrote:
Cuppa wrote:
Having been raised 'knowing my place', & tugging my forelock to the landed gentry.
I always wondered why us, the commoners were expected to swear allegiance to the the monarch, indeed why some folk had the birthright to consider themselves superior to others.
If allegiance is to be sworn I feel it should be the monarch swearing allegiance to the people not the other way around.
i suppose it is like a pecking order, pretty common all though the animal world. with us some people float to the top an the rest of use settle to our own level
Ha ha, anyone might think that in the UK's 'pecking order' it is possible for anyone to move class - 'to rise above their station. No- one 'floats to the top' without being born into the
'right' dynasties. Here it's more about wealth which enables a little bit more movement.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Sunday 7th of May 2023 03:13:56 PM
dogbox said
04:07 PM May 7, 2023
Cuppa wrote:
dogbox wrote:
Cuppa wrote:
Having been raised 'knowing my place', & tugging my forelock to the landed gentry.
I always wondered why us, the commoners were expected to swear allegiance to the the monarch, indeed why some folk had the birthright to consider themselves superior to others.
If allegiance is to be sworn I feel it should be the monarch swearing allegiance to the people not the other way around.
i suppose it is like a pecking order, pretty common all though the animal world. with us some people float to the top an the rest of us settle to our own level
Ha ha, anyone might think that in the UK's 'pecking order' it is possible for anyone to move class - 'to rise above their station. No- one 'floats to the top' without being born into the
'right' dynasties. Here it's more about wealth which enables a little bit more movement.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Sunday 7th of May 2023 03:13:56 PM
yes, the English gentry! (Other than royalty and those connected who are wealthy beyond our understanding) are slowly being infiltrated/diluted by the new wealthy climbing the social ladder, old estates being tax to the point of having to be broken up, new uncultured landowners moving in. a chance for many to float to the top
Warren-Pat_01 said
08:50 PM May 7, 2023
Well I watched it & loved the music (Handel's). And the antics of a couple of the grandchildren proved that Diana achieved a less dogmatic way of bringing kids up regardless as to who their parents were.
Security was overdone. A lot of hoo-hah but a lot of history being made too. TV wasn't around when Elizabeth was crowned - we had to go to the pictures to see her "show" on Cinesound Movietone News.
Regardless of whether we support a Monachy or Republic, there are enough nasty presidential characters in the world to support something that is more stable, bearing in mind that a few centuries ago, King Charles' ancestors were not so nice either. There was a comment in our newspaper that Harry was lucky that The Tower of London was not still operational!
Earlier on in the thread I asked the question "how will becoming a republic make the day to day lives better ?"
So I will define the question more clearly " how with becoming a republic benefit Me"
And supplementary question "how much are you prepared to Pay for the Change"
I dont expect a clear or sensible answer, because there is no answer because it's all about the vibe.
It won't benefit me Graham, nor will it benefit the vast majority of Australians, it will however come at enormous cost, probably OK as it will benefit those among us who are still willing to work (big boost to the economy)
Of course there would be a psychological benefit to them that harbour a hatred of the Monarchy, I suspect that deep down these republicans would like to see a repeat of the overthrow of the Romanov dynasty and the consequent murder of Czar Nicholas and his family, life under the Czar may not have been ideal, however what followed was a debacle, the results have carried over to the current era, with one murderous leader after another.
God Save The King
Correct it's all about the vibe. The vibe being to let go of mother's apron strings and be us.
Let go of what reminds us this country was invaded by monarchs. Let go of the feeling of being
a colony of Britain. Still belong to the Commonwealth but not under the 'ruling' of Britain.
This might be hard for the hard line monarchs but you are in Australia now.
Just like immigrants who move to Australia for a better life want to still call their country
of origin home. Australia is home.
Will it make the day to day life better, most likely for First Peoples and Torres Strait islanders.
Maybe not so for those who have strong ties to the British monarch, be it because this is where
they came from, this is where their families are etc...
NOT MY KING
-- Edited by deverall11 on Sunday 7th of May 2023 11:33:20 AM
Oh you havn't said how much you are prepared to pay to become a republic
-- Edited by Gundog on Sunday 7th of May 2023 12:21:54 PM
Why?
Please explain to me why you are a monarchist. What can Charles Windsor do for you? What have his forbears done for you?
I always wondered why us, the commoners were expected to swear allegiance to the the monarch, indeed why some folk had the birthright to consider themselves superior to others.
If allegiance is to be sworn I feel it should be the monarch swearing allegiance to the people not the other way around.
As usual, The Shovel is right on.
Lucky There Isn't a Cost-Of-Living Crisis, Otherwise Parading About With a Diamond Encrusted Orb Might Look Out of Touch:
https://theshovel.com.au/2023/05/07/king-charles-coronation-cost-of-living-diamond-orb/
Are you serious or delusional?
Let go of the feeling of being a colony of Britain. We let go those apron strings in 1901
So why are still tied to the Chuck & co?
You want to cherish a king who married a princess who he could not hang on to and got tied up with some one who looks like
a hat full of A$$holes?
Still belong to the Commonwealth but not under the 'ruling' of Britain. We further removed the link with with the Westminister Act in 1942 and the Australa Act in 1986
Australian parliament is based on Westminster. Wikipedia says:The Westminster system or Westminster model is a type of parliamentary government that incorporates a series of procedures for operating a legislature. This concept was first developed in England.
Maybe not so for those who have strong ties to the British monarch, be it because this is where they came from, this is where their families are etc... My Heritage is Australian, British, American and Spanish.
From your comments you sound more British and the others.
Will it make the day to day life better, most likely for First Peoples and Torres Strait islanders. No comments or are you afraid of being PC or maybe even racists?
NOT MY KING Is my King and Colonel in Chief of my Corps and The Govener General is my Commander in Chief. NOT MY KING referred to a comment made
by SANTA. Are you still in the armed forces even at your age? The position of Governor General could be the same as president of Australia.
What costs are you talking about? Maybe $AUD190 millions to become a republic.?!
Had you have watched the ceremony, you would have noted that is what he in fact did.
maybe we should cancel all the football games, the rock concerts, fireworks, stage productions ect ect ect. then they poor people doing it tuff will have to find something else to complain about
just think of all the people who would be earning a quid as result of the rich strutting around looking like dandies, that money would go home to feed the kids, pay the mortgage and all the rest . how many foreigners would have traveled to the UK to be part of/witness the event i will bet that there would hardly be a spare hotel/bed n breakfast room available anywhere near London.
If we had a TV (or indeed internet at the time - as is usual it went out with the rain) I may have had a peek, but if that's what he did I'll give him a 'star' for that. What it actually means beyond words is yet to be seen. I'm not holding my breath.
i suppose it is like a pecking order, pretty common all though the animal world.
with us some people float to the top an the rest of use settle to our own level
Ha ha, anyone might think that in the UK's 'pecking order' it is possible for anyone to move class - 'to rise above their station. No- one 'floats to the top' without being born into the
'right' dynasties. Here it's more about wealth which enables a little bit more movement.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Sunday 7th of May 2023 03:13:56 PM
yes, the English gentry! (Other than royalty and those connected who are wealthy beyond our understanding) are slowly being infiltrated/diluted by the new wealthy climbing the social ladder, old estates being tax to the point of having to be broken up, new uncultured landowners moving in.
a chance for many to float to the top
Security was overdone. A lot of hoo-hah but a lot of history being made too. TV wasn't around when Elizabeth was crowned - we had to go to the pictures to see her "show" on Cinesound Movietone News.
Regardless of whether we support a Monachy or Republic, there are enough nasty presidential characters in the world to support something that is more stable, bearing in mind that a few centuries ago, King Charles' ancestors were not so nice either. There was a comment in our newspaper that Harry was lucky that The Tower of London was not still operational!