Anyway Terry, this is my final post on this thread.
Hmmm........ seems we can't trust anything you post eh :lol:
T1 Terry
T1 Terry said
02:40 PM Oct 22, 2019
For those who were interested in the mis information about EV charging stations overloading the local transformer or grid supply, thought this might be of interest e-station.com.au/dynamic_load_balancing/
T1 Terry
EDIT: Another one that I found in my email histories https://e-station.com.au/ it was a sales pitch to service stations to not get caught out with the move to electric vehicles. Buried in the sales pitch was this link so I thought I'd share it as well
-- Edited by T1 Terry on Tuesday 22nd of October 2019 02:49:53 PM
T1 Terry said
01:32 PM Nov 5, 2019
Knight loves to quote this site, so here is quote from that site that kills a lot of his arguments www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/voltage-rise-solar/%20weekly%20newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=getresponse
A long read but towards the end they mention the disparity in the financial costings because the fossil fuel generator do not have to cover the cost of the health issues they create. Delhi is one of India's larger cities and has been in the news lately with air quality equivalent to smoking 30 to 40 cigarettes a day that all the children, adults and elderly have no choice but breathe. Bad enough adults with a smoking habit that bad, but children and the elderly? Air pollution from burning any fossil fuel is still air pollution, yet those making money from causing that health destroying air pollution don't have to contribute towards the cost and are being subsidised by the govt in Australia to do it.
The other point is one Knight raised about there not being enough solar to recharge a larger electric vehicle fleet. This shots that nonsense down big time, there is too much electricity generated during the day causing the grid voltage to rise to the point the grid tie solar inverter has to dial back or shut down completely. That excess in the grid could be soaked up by multiple batteries, including electric vehicles, then be available for use when the grid voltage problem is over and the load exceeds generation capacity.
We don't need more coal or gas fired generation, we need more batteries linked into the grid to soak up this excess and smooth out the supply.
T1 Terry
Whenarewethere said
02:28 PM Nov 5, 2019
I still remember as a kid (no Alzheimer's disease yet) by the time we are Grey Nomads every household will have a nuclear reactor in the back garden.
The way electricity prices are going the more economical it will be for people to get off the grid. The are are a lot of houses around the country, with a bit of upgrading of their solar a few will get off the grid, then a few more, a few more & a few more.......
T1 Terry said
03:21 PM Nov 5, 2019
Whenarewethere wrote:
I still remember as a kid (no Alzheimer's disease yet) by the time we are Grey Nomads every household will have a nuclear reactor in the back garden.
The way electricity prices are going the more economical it will be for people to get off the grid. The are are a lot of houses around the country, with a bit of upgrading of their solar a few will get off the grid, then a few more, a few more & a few more.......
The number of inquiries we get each week from people who want to go off the grid would cause the whole electrical distribution network to do a sudden rethink on just what they are doing now and what they will need to do to still be supplying household power in 10 yrs time. If their only customers are those who can't go off grid because they are renting or in public housing, the cost per household to maintain their crazy poles and wires charges they have now would not be financially possible to support over the long term. They couldn't pass the costs onto industry because they will quick smart tell them where to go and go off grid themselves, or simply shut up shop.
There was talk about our fearless leader planning to impose a mandatory requirement for all households and building blocks that the poles and wires came within X distance, had to pay whether they used it or not, much like the water and sewerage charges. The part they stuffed up is they sold off the poles and wires to private enterprise and it is constitutionally illegal for a govt of any size to force anyone to buy or pay a private enterprise, they can only do that if it is a govt enterprise. The selling off all the stuff the tax payer paid for has now gone full circle and will bite them on the butt.
T1 Terry
PetenSue said
06:57 PM Nov 5, 2019
I realise this isnt the flavour of this thread, but I grew up off the electricity grid. The closest thing we had to the electricity grid was a big old Caterpillar engine driving a generator. I can remember(no oldtimer disease) it had a 10 000 litre fuel tank!! It ran from 6 am to 8 pm. I remember helping my father changing the oil in it after lights out. Regards Pete
T1 Terry said
01:16 PM Nov 6, 2019
PetenSue wrote:
I realise this isnt the flavour of this thread, but I grew up off the electricity grid. The closest thing we had to the electricity grid was a big old Caterpillar engine driving a generator. I can remember(no oldtimer disease) it had a 10 000 litre fuel tank!! It ran from 6 am to 8 pm. I remember helping my father changing the oil in it after lights out. Regards Pete
They are now replacing these are the primary power provider and it becomes the back up generator. Solar and lithium batteries have come so far now that the generator is just too expensive to run and maintain. The cost of 10,000 ltrs of fuel will buy a lot of solar, how often was the tank refilled?
T1 Terry
PetenSue said
06:25 PM Nov 6, 2019
Hi Terry, this was back in the 70s. Have no idea how long 10 000 litres would have lasted. Im guessing 20 litres per hour?? It was such a big tank because the fuel truck couldnt get there in wet weather. Back then diesel would have been maybe 20 cents a litre. But you are right, most places are on solar now. There was no option back then. Regards Pete
Well that's ok, you keep kidding yourself.
Hmmm........ seems we can't trust anything you post eh :lol:
T1 Terry
For those who were interested in the mis information about EV charging stations overloading the local transformer or grid supply, thought this might be of interest e-station.com.au/dynamic_load_balancing/
T1 Terry
EDIT: Another one that I found in my email histories https://e-station.com.au/ it was a sales pitch to service stations to not get caught out with the move to electric vehicles. Buried in the sales pitch was this link so I thought I'd share it as well
-- Edited by T1 Terry on Tuesday 22nd of October 2019 02:49:53 PM
A long read but towards the end they mention the disparity in the financial costings because the fossil fuel generator do not have to cover the cost of the health issues they create. Delhi is one of India's larger cities and has been in the news lately with air quality equivalent to smoking 30 to 40 cigarettes a day that all the children, adults and elderly have no choice but breathe. Bad enough adults with a smoking habit that bad, but children and the elderly? Air pollution from burning any fossil fuel is still air pollution, yet those making money from causing that health destroying air pollution don't have to contribute towards the cost and are being subsidised by the govt in Australia to do it.
The other point is one Knight raised about there not being enough solar to recharge a larger electric vehicle fleet. This shots that nonsense down big time, there is too much electricity generated during the day causing the grid voltage to rise to the point the grid tie solar inverter has to dial back or shut down completely. That excess in the grid could be soaked up by multiple batteries, including electric vehicles, then be available for use when the grid voltage problem is over and the load exceeds generation capacity.
We don't need more coal or gas fired generation, we need more batteries linked into the grid to soak up this excess and smooth out the supply.
T1 Terry
I still remember as a kid (no Alzheimer's disease yet) by the time we are Grey Nomads every household will have a nuclear reactor in the back garden.
The way electricity prices are going the more economical it will be for people to get off the grid. The are are a lot of houses around the country, with a bit of upgrading of their solar a few will get off the grid, then a few more, a few more & a few more.......
The number of inquiries we get each week from people who want to go off the grid would cause the whole electrical distribution network to do a sudden rethink on just what they are doing now and what they will need to do to still be supplying household power in 10 yrs time. If their only customers are those who can't go off grid because they are renting or in public housing, the cost per household to maintain their crazy poles and wires charges they have now would not be financially possible to support over the long term. They couldn't pass the costs onto industry because they will quick smart tell them where to go and go off grid themselves, or simply shut up shop.
There was talk about our fearless leader planning to impose a mandatory requirement for all households and building blocks that the poles and wires came within X distance, had to pay whether they used it or not, much like the water and sewerage charges. The part they stuffed up is they sold off the poles and wires to private enterprise and it is constitutionally illegal for a govt of any size to force anyone to buy or pay a private enterprise, they can only do that if it is a govt enterprise. The selling off all the stuff the tax payer paid for has now gone full circle and will bite them on the butt.
T1 Terry
They are now replacing these are the primary power provider and it becomes the back up generator. Solar and lithium batteries have come so far now that the generator is just too expensive to run and maintain. The cost of 10,000 ltrs of fuel will buy a lot of solar, how often was the tank refilled?
T1 Terry