A timely warning to those heading out with gensets and fuel in jerry cans for other purposes.
This can also happen when filling the genset of bike etc, from a jerry can still in the ute of in a can holder the sloshing around in the can also sets up that static field and that Nono second when the hose / nozzle comes within contact contact range of the tanks remaining fuel vapor and it's all over red rover.
Irrespective if you feel that this is a lot of tripe or not please play it safe and but the can onto the ground before you transfer fuel in either direction .
Have a happy and safe Christmas
-- Edited by Wombat 280 on Saturday 19th of December 2009 11:12:47 AM
-- Edited by Wombat 280 on Saturday 19th of December 2009 11:14:35 AM
yep but ground "yourself" first and no nylon shirts or trousers!
Rolly said
01:42 PM Dec 19, 2009
Incidentally, your moniker, Mr. Wombat, is that "Wombat to a 'T'" by any chance?
Wombat 280 said
03:24 PM Dec 19, 2009
It a story steeped in history from a bygone era. Can't really lay claim to the other
Rolly said
05:04 PM Dec 19, 2009
Nothing to do with the L188 Freighters that Reggie Ansett used to pollute the skies with?
ibbo said
09:20 PM Dec 19, 2009
Or even"Roots,Eats and Leaves".LOL.Cheers Ibbo.
Disco Duck said
05:56 PM Dec 23, 2009
The big problem with being Idiot Proof Wombat, is that as soon as you make something idiot proof........someone else will come up with a better class of idiot!!
jimricho said
06:32 PM Dec 23, 2009
Anyone who's been involved in fuelling aircraft is well familiar with the procedure of earthing the aircraft to the fuel pump with a "static" cable and connecting a static wire from the fuel nozzle to the aircraft before opening the fuel cap.
The issue of static electricity and refilling gerry cans is definitely NOT a lot of tripe.
-- Edited by jimricho on Wednesday 23rd of December 2009 05:39:11 PM
jimricho said
06:35 PM Dec 23, 2009
Disco Duck wrote:
The big problem with being Idiot Proof Wombat, is that as soon as you make something idiot proof........someone else will come up with a better class of idiot!!
I find the problem that when I try to prove how smart I am is that unfortunately I often succeed
Disco Duck said
12:36 PM Dec 24, 2009
Yep....I know about fuelling aircraft Jimricho. I used to do it in Ceduna and my son is a refueller at Adelaide airport. I also used to have a country fuel agency and have attended numerous training sessions. I have seen all the safety movies.
dave06 said
12:44 PM Dec 24, 2009
yep so when are they going to make it mandatory to have an "earth" line on motor vehicles when filling, it only makes sense!
Rolly said
02:46 PM Dec 24, 2009
dave06 wrote:
yep so when are they going to make it mandatory to have an "earth" line on motor vehicles when filling, it only makes sense!
Only to those with the sense to use it, dave0.
The instruction to touch the nozzle of the pump to the metal surrounding the car's filler neck seems to be generally ignored too.
The nozzle and hose have an earthing capacity built in, so as to act as an "earth" line.
This whole matter of static electricity is almost totally ignored or unrecognised by most people.
dave06 said
03:11 PM Dec 24, 2009
yes in some cases this is the problem, the nozzle aproaching the filler, little spark jumps across and the rest is history
I always grab the window surround as I exit and then make a point of touching the side of the car before I bring the nozzle over to the filler
I was watching a bloke a fair while ago he was hitting the side of the nozzle against the filler cap trying to dislodge the last drops, I just watched in amazement, some fellers have no idea
PeterD said
11:26 PM Dec 25, 2009
Some time back I chanced upon a USA site that detailed most of the service station fires over a period. They were back in the days when you could lock the nozzle on and walk away whilst they were filling. In nearly all the cases the fire resulted after someone had been back in the car to do some paperwork or similar. Whilst getting in and/or out they built up a static electricity charge. When they returned and reached for the nozzle this static charge discharged to the nozzle and that is when the fire started.
That is why we now have the locking device on the hand pieces of the bowsers disabled today. Diesel fuel is less flammable so that is why their nozzles may still have the trigger locks still available.
Basil Faulty said
01:24 PM Dec 27, 2009
ibbo wrote:
Or even"Roots,Eats and Leaves".LOL.Cheers Ibbo.
Ibbo I hate to appear pedantic but it is eats, roots and leaves.... Used to do as much of it as I could get away with....
jimricho said
07:19 AM Dec 29, 2009
PeterD wrote:
Some time back I chanced upon a USA site that detailed most of the service station fires over a period. They were back in the days when you could lock the nozzle on and walk away whilst they were filling. In nearly all the cases the fire resulted after someone had been back in the car to do some paperwork or similar. Whilst getting in and/or out they built up a static electricity charge. When they returned and reached for the nozzle this static charge discharged to the nozzle and that is when the fire started.
That is why we now have the locking device on the hand pieces of the bowsers disabled today. Diesel fuel is less flammable so that is why their nozzles may still have the trigger locks still available.
I believe that this is where the fallacy about mobile phones causing service station fires comes from. The "some paperwork or similar" was to use the mobile.
jimricho said
07:21 AM Dec 29, 2009
Basil Faulty wrote:
ibbo wrote:
Or even"Roots,Eats and Leaves".LOL.Cheers Ibbo.
Ibbo I hate to appear pedantic but it is eats, roots and leaves.... Used to do as much of it as I could get away with....
Does this mean you're a vegetarian too??? (dooooh!)
Disco Duck said
03:50 PM Dec 29, 2009
The Duck is Safer!!........just got to change the rest of you heathens!!
Basil Faulty said
05:43 PM Dec 29, 2009
Disco Duck wrote:
The Duck is Safer!!........just got to change the rest of you heathens!!
You bastard, you have been talking to my MIL. She told me on Xmas day I was a heathen, I corrected her and told her I was agnostic, she screamed at me with spittle effects ( just to get her point across) that I was a heathen and was not getting a present this year.... Everyone else scattered during this diatribe leaving me and her alone with the fruit mince tarts.... Then at 4:00 she asks me ever so nicely could I drive her to Church and was really hurt when I said that I was not going to make a hypocrit of myself and she could call a cab....
This can also happen when filling the genset of bike etc, from a jerry can still in the ute of in a can holder the sloshing around in the can also sets up that static field and that Nono second when the hose / nozzle comes within contact contact range of the tanks remaining fuel vapor and it's all over red rover.
Irrespective if you feel that this is a lot of tripe or not please play it safe and but the can onto the ground before you transfer fuel in either direction .
Have a happy and safe Christmas
-- Edited by Wombat 280 on Saturday 19th of December 2009 11:12:47 AM
-- Edited by Wombat 280 on Saturday 19th of December 2009 11:14:35 AM
Incidentally, your moniker, Mr. Wombat, is that "Wombat to a 'T'" by any chance?
Nothing to do with the L188 Freighters that Reggie Ansett used to pollute the skies with?
The issue of static electricity and refilling gerry cans is definitely NOT a lot of tripe.
-- Edited by jimricho on Wednesday 23rd of December 2009 05:39:11 PM
I find the problem that when I try to prove how smart I am is that unfortunately I often succeed
The instruction to touch the nozzle of the pump to the metal surrounding the car's filler neck seems to be generally ignored too.
The nozzle and hose have an earthing capacity built in, so as to act as an "earth" line.
This whole matter of static electricity is almost totally ignored or unrecognised by most people.
Used to do as much of it as I could get away with....
Everyone else scattered during this diatribe leaving me and her alone with the fruit mince tarts....
Then at 4:00 she asks me ever so nicely could I drive her to Church and was really hurt when I said that I was not going to make a hypocrit of myself and she could call a cab....