As of tomorrow I'm an independent, accredited oversize pilot. I'm escorting a bulldozer D9 from Tailem Bend to Adelaide, wide, high and heavy. Well, a neighbour put me in contact with the haulier who needs a pilot. My former boss has gone underground with my pay for 3 month's work. So I'm putting the word out that I'm an independent operator. Next month I'm upgrading my accreditation to work in WA, so there'll be no stopping me.
Firefly said
10:53 PM Jun 14, 2011
What an ass Chris.
More power to you girl, kick butt mate.
gubby said
11:05 PM Jun 14, 2011
Congratulations and all the best on becoming independant CG..
Maybe you could divert that bulldozer to dig up the mongrel who went underground with your pay....
Helena said
06:55 AM Jun 15, 2011
Sorry to hear that Chris I hope you eventually find him and get your pay that you deserve good luck with going it alone take care. Helena.
jimricho said
07:05 AM Jun 15, 2011
Sad to hear you've been done like that Chris, I don't like your chances getting your money, there's probably a whole bunch of creditors on his tail ahead of you. Maybe you should contact the Tax Office to check where you stand. He may have claimed to have paid you, also a good chance to dob him in.
Try to "sus" out any future contractors, there's more where he comes from.
Do you have any documentation, especially his ABN. Don't deal with anyone who doesn't have or won't give you their ABN. Don't do any "cashies" that's a recipe for trouble.
Seek advice from your accountant, if you don't have one you should if you're doing contract work.
-- Edited by jimricho on Wednesday 15th of June 2011 07:23:12 AM
vkgreenie said
10:17 AM Jun 15, 2011
Gidday Chris
Mongrels, that's a kind word I can use for the low life who rip people off.
We contract for the work we do. We have a registered partnership, and an ABN number.
Before we take on any "tour of duty" we have both parties sign off on our terms and conditions. We invoice the owners who have contracted us on a weekly basis, (that's in the agreement) and fees go into our bank account with 24 hours of invoice.
No payment we would simply lock the joint up and leave the keys with the cops. Luckily that has never happened. The agreement scares them enough.
Even when we have worked for wages, a written agreement is in place, or a letter of offer.
That's the thing now, without a paper trail, the dodgy brothers will excel.
Hope that helps Chris and good luck.
Cheers & beers
Landfall said
10:55 AM Jun 15, 2011
Good luck Chris,
There is nothing that upsets me more than to be "let down" by someone who doesn't honour their responsibilities.
When I have had a client who is struggling, I always ask them to give me their intended payment plan. I then go on to tellthem to be sure that they can honour it, because if they do not do the right thing, look out, no mercy!
Have been let down very few times in the past 30 years.
I hope everything works out well for you, good on you.
Not too sure about the "oversize pilot" didn't know you could fly an airplane?
Dusty
Happywanderer said
03:51 PM Jun 15, 2011
Bad news CG. The buggers. Its not fair, you did right by them and get nothing in return. Hope you eventually get that sorted and in the future they are all good guys you find work with.
dazren said
04:46 PM Jun 15, 2011
Makes me bloody angry to hear that, the tax office may be the best option for you, it may not get you your money, but will put the bastard in the tax spotlight and hopefully cause him grief. with these sort of people there is no reasonable legal recourse to assist us Little people,
Where i worked about 25 years ago, one of my customers who had a small engineering business, had a cashflow problem, needed about 30,000 dollars to keep business running,
he had be chasing a client who owed him over 60,000 $ but just would not pay, he had a history in the industry, of not paying until he was on the courts doorstep, then he would make a offer to settle for a lesser sum.
My customers daughter was married to a member of one of the bigger bikie clubs ???
he took it on his own back to see if he could help his father in law out of his financal difficulty. One sunday morning at about 5am 7 or 8 Harley Davidsons pulled up outside the clients house. only two knocked on the door, when he answered, they Politely explained the difficulties his father in law was having. and if only he would pay the outstanding debt then his F.I.L. would be able to keep the doors open, and not have to put off his staff .
WELL !! i don't know why but the following friday debt was paid in full by Bank cheque !!
every time i hear of a story like yours i like to think back to those days. it makes me feel good ?? So you do all you can to get your money from that pric [ oops penis dazren
gordon_adl said
04:53 PM Jun 15, 2011
Not sure what to say. Congrats on going it alone but man o'man it really sucks what has happened.
Sheba said
06:02 PM Jun 15, 2011
Hope you can track the mongrel down Chris. Shame you don't have a Pic. to display on the 'Net.
Cheers,
Sheba.
jimricho said
06:27 PM Jun 15, 2011
Landfall wrote:
Not too sure about the "oversize pilot" didn't know you could fly an airplane?
Dusty
That would have been an accurate description of me back in the days when I held a licence
-- Edited by jimricho on Thursday 16th of June 2011 06:22:44 AM
Travel Bug said
08:13 PM Jun 15, 2011
Hi Chris,
I have had a really cr*p day....but you have had a far worse one you poor bugger.
So sorry to hear about your pay problem. Hope Karma gets him big time!!!!
I wish you clear sailing as an independent.
Keep on smiling kiddo!
Cheers. Pam.
davkar said
09:21 PM Jun 15, 2011
Hi Chris We wish you well, good luck mate. Regards
Gerty Dancer said
09:29 PM Jun 15, 2011
How can he get away with that? This means you've worked voluntarily for 3 months!GRRR!
Good luck as an independant Granny, no middle men to rip you off!
Cruising Granny said
10:21 PM Jun 15, 2011
Wow! Thanks everyone! Your support is overwhelming. An "escort pilot" does not fly hookers to outback mining camps. I've sent him accounts to his email address as agreed. I've set it up to receipt, and I can't say what happened to the previous editions, but he hasn't opened the email with the latest statement. I've only done 4 jobs for him since March, but one of them was to Moranbah in Qld, @ $1.20 per km. It's not hard to go it alone. I don't want to be flat out, but consistent work would be good. I'm doing a mail out to heavy transport mobs and other pilot managers who may need extra helpers in a pinch. Once the reputation is out there among those in the trade, it only takes word of mouth and slip out a few business cards and posters and the work will come. It's a great network. It can get really busy out of Adelaide with stuff going to Roxby Downs, mines all over Oz, wind farm towers and turbines, houses and portable accommodation (dongas), heavy machinery, mining equipment, heavy machinery and large structures go all over the country. The rat boss is out and about, but not answering his phone or opening his emails. His day will come. He's getting a bad reputation for poaching work from other pilots and not paying his bills, so the noose is getting tighter. Just let "Bucket Mouth Thiel" loose on the job, and his days are numbered. Thanks for the advice everyone. I have had businesses based on sub-contract before, but I've never had a problem getting the cash I've worked for, no matter how little it was. As a "freelance journo" the emphasis is on FREE, but even the pittance was paid on time by the media I sold my work to. Once again, thank you for your support. I really feel encouraged.
Vic said
08:32 AM Jun 16, 2011
Yeh good luck with that bit of excreta Chris........what goes around comes around I believe......hope he comes good eventually, might do so out of fear of you, to get you off his back (we hope) lol !!
Esmeralda said
12:34 PM Jun 16, 2011
Hey Chris, can you check with the companies you worked for to see that they have paid him (the worm) I know it is a long shot but you never know also it will alert them to his "ethics" (or lack thereof). Apart from that is their any point trying to contact the Department of Labour & Industry or whatever they are called now?? Ombudsman??
Mary said
08:56 PM Jun 16, 2011
Hi CG,Did the bloke give you any business details eg an Australian Business Number ABN?
If he is earning anything interesting the tax folk are always interested.They may be good allies especially if he is doing dodgy dealings.ie not disclosing earnings.
Don't know what happened with the font! sorry about the bold type
Cheers,
Mary
Cruising Granny said
09:41 PM Jun 16, 2011
That's alright Mary, I know you weren't yelling at me. I do have an ABN for him, but I don't know how far I can go checking with the ATO. Checking the haulage mob will probably be a waste of time as that would be confidential. He gets the work and farms it out, and the deal is between him and them. I'm the last in line on the transport "food chain". We're usually an after-thought even though they can't go anywhere without us. Funny game. Yeah I reckon Karma will get 'im or other transport mobs he's p!ssed off. The old going 'round, comin' 'round works good for me.
DellieMay said
02:25 PM Jun 17, 2011
I'm a believer of Karma too Chris.. You go get him!!! Congratulations on going it alone. Cheers Dellie
shep said
09:03 PM Jun 17, 2011
Well done CG good for you ....go girl
we are travelling QLD.... at Rubyvale gem hunting !!!! LOL ..... I have not been on GN's for a while I have got a great photo of a red rose for the photo comp and one of a stop light in the middle of this road to nowhere
I was pleased to hear a ladies voice at the helm of a BIG convey of a BIG MINE TRUCK on the back roads to Blackwater QLD via Biloela ...and a guy came on the two way and had a shot at her for calling all the truckies over off the roads and her work mates ..(male) gave it to him it was was SO good and i thought of you .......
so go girl .....
Cruising Granny said
10:49 PM Jun 17, 2011
I was out that way between Barcy and Emerald on the way to Moranbah last month, escorting a steel structure from Port Adelaide. I sometimes get a cheeky bugger telling me to get back in the kitchen or to get off the radio all together, as I instruct the truck driver of what might give him grief. Someone always comes back and tells them off because, "She's working, and you're not!" Oh, there's always some colourful language associated with that mouthful, but I'm too much of a lady to write it here. (And if you believe that you've been out in the bush too long) I never claim to be a lady, but I am all woman though. It's reassuring how much respect is out there in trucky land for the girls in the industry. I always say I can't demand respect, I have to earn it, and in this business I'm earning it well.
milo said
12:33 AM Jun 18, 2011
hi chris, sorry you got ripped off, that sucks.. i belive alot in karma.... good luck...
glassies said
03:59 PM Jun 18, 2011
we own our own business here on the sunny coast weve been ripped off several times only to see the people go and start up again in a different name until the government does something about these mongrels things will never change.
we paid a company debt collector absolutely hopeless ,cost us $850.00 and they have done zilch for us never again will we waste our money on that .
but yep we are owed a few thousand round about ten all up ide say but we know we will never get it ,we did get one payment and that was through me going to the court house you can file for small claims now for about fifty bucks they serve them with paperwork for anything up to 25,000 we got our money before it had to go any further.
it was not alot of money either but i took great pride in doing what i did especialy since the people were running an organisation that is run on donations and charity money, and still do run it ,word is spreading in the town and people are starting to realize now dont give them an account and if you are a septic tanker (which we had ) sold it in october last year dont empty there tank because they dont pay .
Cruising Granny said
09:41 PM Jun 18, 2011
That leaves them in deep doo and serves them right for not paying their bills. Now that's karma of monumental proportions. I believe in karma and I'm sure he'll get his eventually. Sometimes it takes years. Sometimes it only takes a short time. Keep the faith folks.
I'm escorting a bulldozer D9 from Tailem Bend to Adelaide, wide, high and heavy.
Well, a neighbour put me in contact with the haulier who needs a pilot.
My former boss has gone underground with my pay for 3 month's work.
So I'm putting the word out that I'm an independent operator.
Next month I'm upgrading my accreditation to work in WA, so there'll be no stopping me.
What an ass Chris.
More power to you girl, kick butt mate.
Congratulations and all the best on becoming independant CG..
Maybe you could divert that bulldozer to dig up the mongrel who went underground with your pay....
Sad to hear you've been done like that Chris, I don't like your chances getting your money, there's probably a whole bunch of creditors on his tail ahead of you. Maybe you should contact the Tax Office to check where you stand. He may have claimed to have paid you, also a good chance to dob him in.
Try to "sus" out any future contractors, there's more where he comes from.
Do you have any documentation, especially his ABN. Don't deal with anyone who doesn't have or won't give you their ABN. Don't do any "cashies" that's a recipe for trouble.
Seek advice from your accountant, if you don't have one you should if you're doing contract work.
-- Edited by jimricho on Wednesday 15th of June 2011 07:23:12 AM
Gidday Chris
Mongrels, that's a kind word I can use for the low life who rip people off.
We contract for the work we do. We have a registered partnership, and an ABN number.
Before we take on any "tour of duty" we have both parties sign off on our terms and conditions. We invoice the owners who have contracted us on a weekly basis, (that's in the agreement) and fees go into our bank account with 24 hours of invoice.
No payment we would simply lock the joint up and leave the keys with the cops. Luckily that has never happened. The agreement scares them enough.
Even when we have worked for wages, a written agreement is in place, or a letter of offer.
That's the thing now, without a paper trail, the dodgy brothers will excel.
Hope that helps Chris and good luck.
Cheers & beers
Good luck Chris,
There is nothing that upsets me more than to be "let down" by someone who doesn't honour their responsibilities.
When I have had a client who is struggling, I always ask them to give me their intended payment plan. I then go on to tellthem to be sure that they can honour it, because if they do not do the right thing, look out, no mercy!
Have been let down very few times in the past 30 years.
I hope everything works out well for you, good on you.
Not too sure about the "oversize pilot" didn't know you could fly an airplane?
Dusty
Where i worked about 25 years ago, one of my customers who had a small engineering business, had a cashflow problem, needed about 30,000 dollars to keep business running,
he had be chasing a client who owed him over 60,000 $ but just would not pay, he had a history in the industry, of not paying until he was on the courts doorstep, then he would make a offer to settle for a lesser sum.
My customers daughter was married to a member of one of the bigger bikie clubs ???
he took it on his own back to see if he could help his father in law out of his financal difficulty. One sunday morning at about 5am 7 or 8 Harley Davidsons pulled up outside the clients house. only two knocked on the door, when he answered, they Politely explained the difficulties his father in law was having. and if only he would pay the outstanding debt then his F.I.L. would be able to keep the doors open, and not have to put off his staff .
WELL !! i don't know why but the following friday debt was paid in full by Bank cheque !!
every time i hear of a story like yours i like to think back to those days. it makes me feel good ?? So you do all you can to get your money from that pric [ oops penis dazren
Hope you can track the mongrel down Chris. Shame you don't have a Pic. to display on the 'Net.
Cheers,
Sheba.
That would have been an accurate description of me back in the days when I held a licence
-- Edited by jimricho on Thursday 16th of June 2011 06:22:44 AM
Hi Chris,
I have had a really cr*p day....but you have had a far worse one you poor bugger.
So sorry to hear about your pay problem. Hope Karma gets him big time!!!!
I wish you clear sailing as an independent.
Keep on smiling kiddo!
Cheers. Pam.
We wish you well, good luck mate.
Regards
Good luck as an independant Granny, no middle men to rip you off!
An "escort pilot" does not fly hookers to outback mining camps.
I've sent him accounts to his email address as agreed. I've set it up to receipt, and I can't say what happened to the previous editions, but he hasn't opened the email with the latest statement.
I've only done 4 jobs for him since March, but one of them was to Moranbah in Qld, @ $1.20 per km.
It's not hard to go it alone. I don't want to be flat out, but consistent work would be good. I'm doing a mail out to heavy transport mobs and other pilot managers who may need extra helpers in a pinch. Once the reputation is out there among those in the trade, it only takes word of mouth and slip out a few business cards and posters and the work will come. It's a great network.
It can get really busy out of Adelaide with stuff going to Roxby Downs, mines all over Oz, wind farm towers and turbines, houses and portable accommodation (dongas), heavy machinery, mining equipment, heavy machinery and large structures go all over the country.
The rat boss is out and about, but not answering his phone or opening his emails. His day will come. He's getting a bad reputation for poaching work from other pilots and not paying his bills, so the noose is getting tighter.
Just let "Bucket Mouth Thiel" loose on the job, and his days are numbered.
Thanks for the advice everyone. I have had businesses based on sub-contract before, but I've never had a problem getting the cash I've worked for, no matter how little it was.
As a "freelance journo" the emphasis is on FREE, but even the pittance was paid on time by the media I sold my work to.
Once again, thank you for your support. I really feel encouraged.
Hi CG,Did the bloke give you any business details eg an Australian Business Number ABN?
If he is earning anything interesting the tax folk are always interested.They may be good allies especially if he is doing dodgy dealings.ie not disclosing earnings.
Don't know what happened with the font! sorry about the bold type
Cheers,
Mary
I do have an ABN for him, but I don't know how far I can go checking with the ATO.
Checking the haulage mob will probably be a waste of time as that would be confidential. He gets the work and farms it out, and the deal is between him and them. I'm the last in line on the transport "food chain". We're usually an after-thought even though they can't go anywhere without us. Funny game.
Yeah I reckon Karma will get 'im or other transport mobs he's p!ssed off. The old going 'round, comin' 'round works good for me.
Cheers Dellie
we are travelling QLD.... at Rubyvale gem hunting !!!! LOL ..... I have not been on GN's for a while
I have got a great photo of a red rose for the photo comp 
and one of a stop light in the middle of this road to nowhere
I was pleased to hear a ladies voice at the helm of a BIG convey of a BIG MINE TRUCK on the back roads to Blackwater QLD via Biloela ...and a guy came on the two way and had a shot at her
for calling all the truckies over off the roads and her work mates ..(male) gave it to him 
it was was SO good and i thought of you .......
so go girl .....
I sometimes get a cheeky bugger telling me to get back in the kitchen or to get off the radio all together, as I instruct the truck driver of what might give him grief.
Someone always comes back and tells them off because, "She's working, and you're not!" Oh, there's always some colourful language associated with that mouthful, but I'm too much of a lady to write it here. (And if you believe that you've been out in the bush too long) I never claim to be a lady, but I am all woman though.
It's reassuring how much respect is out there in trucky land for the girls in the industry. I always say I can't demand respect, I have to earn it, and in this business I'm earning it well.
go and start up again in a different name until the government does something about these mongrels things
will never change.
we paid a company debt collector absolutely hopeless ,cost us $850.00 and they have done zilch for us never again
will we waste our money on that .
but yep we are owed a few thousand round about ten all up ide say but we know we will never get it ,we did get
one payment and that was through me going to the court house you can file for small claims now for about fifty bucks
they serve them with paperwork for anything up to 25,000 we got our money before it had to go any further.
it was not alot of money either but i took great pride in doing what i did especialy since the people were running
an organisation that is run on donations and charity money, and still do run it ,word is spreading in the town and people
are starting to realize now dont give them an account and if you are a septic tanker (which we had ) sold it in october last year
dont empty there tank because they dont pay .
I believe in karma and I'm sure he'll get his eventually. Sometimes it takes years. Sometimes it only takes a short time.
Keep the faith folks.