Anyone have a Saturn tv antenna on the van if so does it work ok? Agro
goldcoaster said
06:07 AM Nov 27, 2011
Yes, we have one.Excellent reception. We removed the wineguard wings and attached it to the wineguard mast. Some locations we don't even have to put mast up. Very happy with it. Also it can come with 3g connection for better service, we opted out as we already have a 3g aerial.
Dougwe said
07:07 AM Nov 27, 2011
Hi Kevin, I have a Saturn but have only used it 4 times, 2 had good reception and 2 no reception but I was aware of poor or no reception in the area I was headed before I headed off. The area was surrounded by very thick trees etc and also a large hill behind me. I too opted out of the 3g connection as have a separate 3g aerial.
Dougwe said
07:10 AM Nov 27, 2011
goldcoaster wrote:
Yes, we have one.Excellent reception. We removed the wineguard wings and attached it to the wineguard mast. Some locations we don't even have to put mast up. Very happy with it. Also it can come with 3g connection for better service, we opted out as we already have a 3g aerial.
Hi Michael, I am not sure what you mean by having a Saturn but removed the wineguard wings, I must be missing something here but that's not hard for me these days.
goinsoon said
12:13 AM Nov 28, 2011
What do you mean "wineguard wings" on a saturn antenna, they are two different brands
goldcoaster said
06:12 AM Nov 28, 2011
sorry guy's,the saturn can be attached to the existing wineguard wind up mast not to the aerial. just remove the wineguard aerial top assembly(aluminium wings and receiver) on your mast. the only other thing you have to do is mount a bracket for support of the saturn when it lays down. it doesn't lay flat like the wineguard.it sits up about 200mm on the bracket,hasn't been a problem for us. when you buy one ask for the kit to replace your old wineguard.
jimricho said
07:36 AM Nov 28, 2011
I don't have hands on experience with either aerial but it seems the Saturn's mixed polarisation (that's just fancy techie talk for ability to receive both horizontal and vertical transmissions) would be a big advantage over the Winegard.
Duckster said
09:40 PM Nov 28, 2011
goldcoaster wrote:
Yes, we have one.Excellent reception. We removed the wineguard wings and attached it to the wineguard mast. Some locations we don't even have to put mast up. Very happy with it. Also it can come with 3g connection for better service, we opted out as we already have a 3g aerial.
Glad to hear Saturn have 1 happy customer. You must be the only 1.
Duckster said
09:45 PM Nov 28, 2011
jimricho wrote:
I don't have hands on experience with either aerial but it seems the Saturn's mixed polarisation (that's just fancy techie talk for ability to receive both horizontal and vertical transmissions) would be a big advantage over the Winegard.
Great in theory, in practice doesn't work. Any so called omni directional aerial is a disaster as the reception pattern is cardoid. Only TV to have is a Yagi type that does both horizontal and vertical polarisation. You need 'arms' to recieve the uV and you cannot amplify nothing. Unfortunately Saturn or anybody else cannot change the laws of physics.
-- Edited by Duckster on Monday 28th of November 2011 09:48:15 PM
jimricho said
07:17 AM Nov 29, 2011
Thanks Duckster, As I said I don't have hands on experience with this particular antenna, but my comment was related to its polarisation rather than its pick up pattern. Looking at one I had assumed its pattern would be bi-directional, but you say cardioid (perhaps depending on the polarisation) and you may be more familiar with the antenna than I am. But either way not omni directional and thus has to be swung to the correct direction to get best reception.
I agree that a Yagi (or phased array) would perform better than a simple dipole (Antennas 101!) which the Saturn (and Winegard too) appears to be.
I find that many folks are unfamiliar with the fact that the "TV waves" that are transmitted are sometimes horizontal, sometimes vertical, depending on the location, (deliberate use of layman's language for the benefit of non-technical people reading this post) and that the antenna may have to be "flipped" from a horizontal position to a vertical position, ie so the "cross pieces" (again deliberate use of layman's language) are vertical instead of the more normal horizontal. It's my understanding that this can't be done with a Winegard unless the attachment point to the mast is modified. (Again I'm not familiar with the specifics here)
I also point out that many caravanners/RVers have unrealistic expectations from a simple antenna in poor signal areas.
I am familiar with mixed and circular polarisation transmission antennas and these work fine, including omnidirectional ("side-mount") antennas.
-- Edited by jimricho on Tuesday 29th of November 2011 07:30:36 AM
goinsoon said
06:38 PM Nov 30, 2011
Well, I bit the bullet and fitted a wingman to our wineguard we have used it a Jimboomba and Bribie and found at least a 50% improvement in reception with a much clearer picture on digital and no signal drop out
-- Edited by goinsoon on Wednesday 30th of November 2011 06:40:12 PM
Anyone have a Saturn tv antenna on the van if so does it work ok? Agro
Hi Kevin, I have a Saturn but have only used it 4 times, 2 had good reception and 2 no reception but I was aware of poor or no reception in the area I was headed before I headed off. The area was surrounded by very thick trees etc and also a large hill behind me. I too opted out of the 3g connection as have a separate 3g aerial.
Hi Michael, I am not sure what you mean by having a Saturn but removed the wineguard wings, I must be missing something here but that's not hard for me these days.
What do you mean "wineguard wings" on a saturn antenna, they are two different brands
just remove the wineguard aerial top assembly(aluminium wings and receiver) on your mast.
the only other thing you have to do is mount a bracket for support of the saturn when it lays down.
it doesn't lay flat like the wineguard.it sits up about 200mm on the bracket,hasn't been a problem for us.
when you buy one ask for the kit to replace your old wineguard.
Glad to hear Saturn have 1 happy customer. You must be the only 1.
Great in theory, in practice doesn't work. Any so called omni directional aerial is a disaster as the reception pattern is cardoid. Only TV to have is a Yagi type that does both horizontal and vertical polarisation. You need 'arms' to recieve the uV and you cannot amplify nothing. Unfortunately Saturn or anybody else cannot change the laws of physics.
-- Edited by Duckster on Monday 28th of November 2011 09:48:15 PM
Thanks Duckster, As I said I don't have hands on experience with this particular antenna, but my comment was related to its polarisation rather than its pick up pattern. Looking at one I had assumed its pattern would be bi-directional, but you say cardioid (perhaps depending on the polarisation) and you may be more familiar with the antenna than I am. But either way not omni directional and thus has to be swung to the correct direction to get best reception.
I agree that a Yagi (or phased array) would perform better than a simple dipole (Antennas 101!) which the Saturn (and Winegard too) appears to be.
I find that many folks are unfamiliar with the fact that the "TV waves" that are transmitted are sometimes horizontal, sometimes vertical, depending on the location, (deliberate use of layman's language for the benefit of non-technical people reading this post) and that the antenna may have to be "flipped" from a horizontal position to a vertical position, ie so the "cross pieces" (again deliberate use of layman's language) are vertical instead of the more normal horizontal. It's my understanding that this can't be done with a Winegard unless the attachment point to the mast is modified. (Again I'm not familiar with the specifics here)
I also point out that many caravanners/RVers have unrealistic expectations from a simple antenna in poor signal areas.
I am familiar with mixed and circular polarisation transmission antennas and these work fine, including omnidirectional ("side-mount") antennas.
-- Edited by jimricho on Tuesday 29th of November 2011 07:30:36 AM
Well, I bit the bullet and fitted a wingman to our wineguard we have used it a Jimboomba and Bribie and found at least a 50% improvement in reception with a much clearer picture on digital and no signal drop out
-- Edited by goinsoon on Wednesday 30th of November 2011 06:40:12 PM