Subject: FW: Police warning when driving.!! DONT IGNORE Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:09:00 +1100
We have had it before but always good to be reminded of these sort of things
> BEWARE - Police warning when driving.!! DONT IGNORE > Worth Passing On! This is happening now! > Sad, especially if you are inclined to 'help' people... > > While driving on a rural end of the roadway on > Thursday morning, I saw an infant car seat on the side of the road with a > blanket draped over it. For whatever reason, I did not stop, even though I > had all kinds of thoughts running through my head. But when I got to my > destination, I called the Police and they were going to check it out. > But,this is what the Police advised even before they went out there to > check.... > "There are several things to be aware of ...gangs and thieves are now plotting different ways to get a person (mostly women)to stop their vehicle and get out of the car. > > "There is a gang initiation reported by local Police where gangs are placing a car seat by the road...with a > fake baby in it...waiting for a woman, of course, to stop and check on the > abandoned baby. "Note that the location of this car seat is > usually beside a wooded or grassy (field) area and the person -- W
oman -- > will be dragged into the woods, beaten and raped, and usually left for > dead. > If it's a man, they're usually beaten and robbed and maybe left for dead, > too. > > DO NOT STOP FOR ANY REASON!!! > > DIAL 0-0-0 AND REPORT WHAT YOU SAW, BUT > DON'T EVEN SLOW DOWN. > > "IF YOU ARE DRIVING AT NIGHT AND EGGS ARE > THROWN AT YOUR WINDSCREEN, DO NOT STOP TO CHECK THE CAR,
DO NOT OPERATE THE WIPER AND DO NOT SPRAY ANY WATER BECAUSE EGGS MIXED WITH WATER BECOME MILKY AND BLOCK YOUR VISION UP TO 92.5%, AND YOU ARE THEN FORCED TO STOP > BESIDE THE ROAD AND BECOME A VICTIM OF THESE CRIMINALS. > > THIS IS A NEW TECHNIQUE USED BY GANGS, SO > PLEASE INFORM YOUR FRIENDS AND RELATIVES. > > THESE ARE DESPERATE TIMES AND THESE ARE > UNSAVOURY INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL TAKE DESPERATE MEASURES TO GET WHAT THEY > WANT." - Usually your Money or other valuables including your CAR... !!! > > Please talk to your loved ones about this. > This is a new tactic used. Please be safe. > > Get started NOW -- SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ALL > YOUR FRIENDS AND LOVED ONES TO BE CAREFUL AND AWARE OF EVERYTHING AROUND > THEM SO AS NOT TO BECOME A VICTIM. > > George Brown > Technical Officer Surveillance > > Telephone: (08) 9172 8827 Fax: (08) 91721095 > Email: george.brown@mainroads.wa.gov.au > www.mainroads.wa.gov.au
valnrob said
01:37 PM Dec 22, 2011
Thanks for that, a good reminder on safety when travelling. Yes I have seen this before but like a lot of other things we forget easily.
Vic said
01:39 PM Dec 22, 2011
It is false, but that is not to say it couldn't happen, see;
You should really check these claims before sending them on of psoting them on forums. The 2 links about are an ideal way to find out if it is a hoax or genuine.
valnrob said
01:49 PM Dec 22, 2011
Even if it is a hoax, we should be aware things can happen like that. Can't be too careful in this day and age. Not meaning that we should be running scared but just be aware.
Boroma577 said
01:55 PM Dec 22, 2011
valnrob wrote:
Even if it is a hoax, we should be aware things can happen like that. Can't be too careful in this day and age.
Oh I totally agree Val...it is always good to be aware and to be reminded of that....but these sorts of hoaxes distress some people and that is what I get upset about.
jimbo said
02:08 PM Dec 22, 2011
Good warning ken..Being an old codger like me I have heard it and seen some strange goings on in my day's as a truck driver.......Conditions after Carbon Tax joke and other price rises is forcing the crimal element too do this......No excuses But they are not doing it too buy boats and new cars and jewels..It's too buy drugs which were allowed to get bye years and years ago by Corruption of ppeople in posistion of power at them times And that mY friend Takes in three main bodies
ken thomas said
03:10 PM Dec 22, 2011
At least is not a hoax that will infect my computer The criminal element are thinking up new ways to get at us and if any of these make as think a bit more about safety then no harm done Ken
Delta18 said
03:13 PM Dec 22, 2011
Whenever you get an email that states ".....send this on to ALL your friends & relations" you can be 99.9% sure it is a hoax designed to scare people and clog the email system.
Cheers Neil
rockylizard said
03:56 PM Dec 22, 2011
Gday...
Fully appreciate that 'snopes' website shows it is a bit of a furphy - but I speak from experience.
Driving from Castlemaine to Daylesford in Victoria nine years ago I saw a vehicle stopped on the side of the road, bonnet up, lady standing beside and she waved - asking for assistance.
So I did the 'smart' thing - slowed down, drove a bit past, put the car into reverse (for the lights to show the car and lady I had passed), it all seemed OK, so I reversed back to the lady and the car.
I got out and walked toward her, asking what the problem was. Next thing, three blokes came out of the bush and gave me a fair thumping, left me on the ground and when I regained some sense I realised my car was gone and the lady and her car.
I flagged down another vehicle, took me to Daylesford and I reported it to police. My vehicle was found in Bendigo two days later and all my stuff had been taken out of it, stereo taken out, driving lights removed etc. Car was not damaged but I was missing stuff - and feeling really unwell and somewhat annoyed.
So - even though the "baby carrier with blanket" may be a furphy - I NEVER stop of a night to assist ANYONE these days. I take note of vehicle, person, circumstances etc and report it to police in next town - let them worry about it.
Cheers
John
Boroma577 said
04:17 PM Dec 22, 2011
rockylizard wrote: I NEVER stop of a night to assist ANYONE these days. I take note of vehicle, person, circumstances etc and report it to police in next town - let them worry about it.
I am pretty much the same John and I have to say it is a bit sad that we as a people have come to this in order to protect ourselves.
Disappointing that you had to endure such a nasty bashing, personal attack and theft of property etc when trying to assist someone you thought was in distress.
Unfortunately I think it is all going to get worse with time as well.
Happywanderer said
04:52 PM Dec 22, 2011
Whether its a hoax or not, it proves to be careful and trust no one.
Dunco said
05:12 PM Dec 22, 2011
I know it is a hoax, but me being me...I would HAVE to stop if I saw a baby in a seat on the side of the road !!!
But with a baseball bat
And same goes with someone throwing reggs at my car !!!!
jimricho said
05:20 PM Dec 22, 2011
Yes Folks you're right! It's another attempt at using this forum to spread alarmist and misleading information.
It took me less than 10 seconds to do a google search to establish this.
Those who (mis)use the forum for this purpose have never heard the fable of the boy who cried wolf.
davkar said
05:38 PM Dec 22, 2011
This report is about a year or two old now it is not new trick. Well put jimricho
Regards
Firefly said
05:45 PM Dec 22, 2011
jimricho wrote:
Yes Folks you're right! It's another attempt at using this forum to spread alarmist and misleading information.
It took me less than 10 seconds to do a google search to establish this.
Those who (mis)use the forum for this purpose have never heard the fable of the boy who cried wolf.
Who is mis using the forum this time Jim?
The evil poster who thought he might be doing some one a favour?
Mis using this forum is using the tone you do on members Jim. Its offensive and un necessary.
Please someone, give Jim the google award, he is a pro.
Rip and Rosie said
05:51 PM Dec 22, 2011
There is a real warning out, however. Its for the Gloucester/Barrington Tops area.
The police are blitzing the area looking for a bloke who has been hiding there after possibly 2 murders.
Naden search prompts tourist warning
Gloucester Mayor Geoff Slack is urging holiday-makers to take care, as the search for fugitive Malcolm Naden shifts to dense terrain in the Barrington Tops, north of Newcastle.
38-year-old Naden has been on the run for six years and is wanted over the alleged murder of a woman, and the disappearance of another in Dubbo.
He is also accused of shooting a police officer near his make-shift campsite near Nowendoc, as the search closed in two weeks ago.
The command post has now moved to Gloucester and Councillor Slack says people need to be cautious.
"We as usual are expecting quite a lot of people to come up over the holiday period to the beautiful Barrington Tops and the Gloucester Tops," he said.
"We just ask people to be careful, keep an eye out, try not to come up on your own.
"A little group is probably better and if you do see something suspicious please report it immediately to the police."
Councillor Slack says Naden's already been blamed for several local robberies.
"The reports have been coming probably for a couple of years now that somebody and they suspect that it is him has been helping himself to some isolated properties to food, sleeping bags and that sort of thing.
"Yes, he's been in the area for three or four years now and hopefully they'll find him."
goinsoon said
05:54 PM Dec 22, 2011
How many times has this story have to appear, there is one also about the hitch hiker who has a bike chain wrapped around his hand when you stop to pick him up.
jimbo said
05:58 PM Dec 22, 2011
I see the need to carry a little pistol.........A little 38 would do Only issued to them that can handle it and is registered......All Grey Nomads have too have one Gotta be 50 and over..........Gee gotta fight fire with fire....... Bye gee we are shackeled somewhat.in this country.......It's so different with all these different cultures.. don't give a rats arse if they harm us like they did too rockylizard........Anybody remember the weekend warrior (CMF) I was in it for six years and the the 38 was a ripper to stop an attack...Had plenty of practise
jimricho said
06:40 PM Dec 22, 2011
After reading Rip and Rosie's post I rest my case about the boy that cried wolf. The Naden search story is very real and has had quite a bit of media attention and for good reason. This is very much a genuine warning to anyone travelling the Thunderbolts Way.
When people use emails or forums to spread misinformation it dilutes the value of genuine information such as that in Rip and Rosie's post.
_wombat_ said
07:57 PM Dec 22, 2011
valnrob wrote:
Even if it is a hoax, we should be aware things can happen like that. Can't be too careful in this day and age. Not meaning that we should be running scared but just be aware.
valnrob,
love that avatar, but why is the lady opening the door sticking two fingers up at me?
Dunco said
08:36 PM Dec 22, 2011
jimbo wrote:
I see the need to carry a little pistol.........A little 38 would do Only issued to them that can handle it and is registered......All Grey Nomads have too have one Gotta be 50 and over..........Gee gotta fight fire with fire....... Bye gee we are shackeled somewhat.in this country.......It's so different with all these different cultures.. don't give a rats arse if they harm us like they did too rockylizard........Anybody remember the weekend warrior (CMF) I was in it for six years and the the 38 was a ripper to stop an attack...Had plenty of practise
Jimbo, firearms are not the answer. I was speaking with a little jockingly regarding the baseball bat in my post above......
Our answer to these issues...if they occur....is common sense.
And to date, twice around AUS with MANY MANY other trips, one being to Perth and back to Sydney...I have NEVER had an issue where a weapon would need to be used.
We are in the luckiest country in the world. Learn to enjoy and don't be paranoid out there is my answer
-- Edited by Dunco on Thursday 22nd of December 2011 08:38:06 PM
valnrob said
09:40 PM Dec 22, 2011
_wombat_ wrote:
valnrob wrote:
Even if it is a hoax, we should be aware things can happen like that. Can't be too careful in this day and age. Not meaning that we should be running scared but just be aware.
valnrob,
love that avatar, but why is the lady opening the door sticking two fingers up at me?
OMG!!!!! Is she ??? I thought she was waving. Will have to get new set of glasses !!
ChiChi1 said
10:33 PM Dec 22, 2011
goinsoon wrote:
How many times has this story have to appear, there is one also about the hitch hiker who has a bike chain wrapped around his hand when you stop to pick him up.
This actually happened on the Hay Plains to my husband about 40 yrs ago. Stopped to pick up a hitchhiker. He recconned that the bloke must have lost his fingers when he shut the door on him and took off.
goinsoon said
10:47 PM Dec 22, 2011
ChiChi1 wrote:
goinsoon wrote:
How many times has this story have to appear, there is one also about the hitch hiker who has a bike chain wrapped around his hand when you stop to pick him up.
This actually happened on the Hay Plains to my husband about 40 yrs ago. Stopped to pick up a hitchhiker. He recconned that the bloke must have lost his fingers when he shut the door on him and took off.
My mother in law also says it happener to her and FIL on the Pacific highway near Taree about 40 years ago
tonyd said
11:56 PM Dec 22, 2011
Jimbo, I'm with you, with one small adjustment. Drop the .38, which is a bit small. A .357 magnum stops scrotes far more effectively, and at longer ranges. Has a good effect on vehicles, too. The engine blocks are never the same again. Yeah, they kick a bit, but use the double-handed grip and all will be well (not at the receiving end!). Cheers, Tony
bill12 said
04:40 AM Dec 23, 2011
All we need is dirty harry to come on the trips with us. I reckon it would be classic to say"Come on- make my day" to some slimebag as you whip out your .44 magnum. When in doubt, don,t stop.If you camp with lots of people, you are usually safe. I am also military trained, and carry a hardwood hammer handle under the front seat, and I don,t pick up hitchhikers. Bill
Dunco said
08:49 AM Dec 23, 2011
Come on guys, this is Australia, not the USA.
I carried a gun for 27 years and only had to take it out of its holster ONCE. And I worked in some pretty bad areas ....I was also a weapons instructor for 15 years, with Glocks, .38, Heckler & Koch Machine guns, AR 15's, shotguns etc...
I think we should get off this bit about using weapons against an "alleged" bad guy as this is very silly stuff. Guns don't kill people....PEOPLE kill people and with talk like this I can see why. Very sad.
My last bit on this subject as it is getting like another forum............which I hope does NOT happen.
Gerty Dancer said
09:04 AM Dec 23, 2011
Dunco wrote:
Come on guys, this is Australia, not the USA.
I carried a gun for 27 years and only had to take it out of its holster ONCE. And I worked in some pretty bad areas ....I was also a weapons instructor for 15 years, with Glocks, .38, Heckler & Koch Machine guns, AR 15's, shotguns etc...
I think we should get off this bit about using weapons against an "alleged" bad guy as this is very silly stuff. Guns don't kill people....PEOPLE kill people and with talk like this I can see why. Very sad.
My last bit on this subject as it is getting like another forum............which I hope does NOT happen.
I agree absolutely Dunco!
ken thomas said
11:54 AM Dec 23, 2011
The post was put on the forum in good faith and not for scaremungering,or misusing the forum but if we get blasted for what we think is the right thing for travellers,then maybe real info will not be posted. Ken
have just been sent this email from WA very scary
Ken
Subject: FW: Police warning when driving.!! DONT IGNORE
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:09:00 +1100
> Worth Passing On! This is happening now!
> Sad, especially if you are inclined to 'help' people...
>
> While driving on a rural end of the roadway on
> Thursday morning, I saw an infant car seat on the side of the road with a
> blanket draped over it. For whatever reason, I did not stop, even though I
> had all kinds of thoughts running through my head. But when I got to my
> destination, I called the Police and they were going to check it out.
> But,this is what the Police advised even before they went out there to
> check....
>
"There are several things to be aware of ...gangs and thieves are now plotting different ways to get a person (mostly women)to stop their vehicle and get out of the car.
>
> "There is a gang initiation reported by local Police where gangs are placing a car seat by the road...with a
> fake baby in it...waiting for a woman, of course, to stop and check on the
> abandoned baby. "Note that the location of this car seat is
> usually beside a wooded or grassy (field) area and the person -- W
> will be dragged into the woods, beaten and raped, and usually left for
> dead.
> If it's a man, they're usually beaten and robbed and maybe left for dead,
> too.
>
> DO NOT STOP FOR ANY REASON!!!
>
> DIAL 0-0-0 AND REPORT WHAT YOU SAW, BUT
> DON'T EVEN SLOW DOWN.
>
> "IF YOU ARE DRIVING AT NIGHT AND EGGS ARE
> THROWN AT YOUR WINDSCREEN, DO NOT STOP TO CHECK THE CAR,
> BESIDE THE ROAD AND BECOME A VICTIM OF THESE CRIMINALS.
>
> THIS IS A NEW TECHNIQUE USED BY GANGS, SO
> PLEASE INFORM YOUR FRIENDS AND RELATIVES.
>
> THESE ARE DESPERATE TIMES AND THESE ARE
> UNSAVOURY INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL TAKE DESPERATE MEASURES TO GET WHAT THEY
> WANT." - Usually your Money or other valuables including your CAR... !!!
>
> Please talk to your loved ones about this.
> This is a new tactic used. Please be safe.
>
> Get started NOW -- SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ALL
> YOUR FRIENDS AND LOVED ONES TO BE CAREFUL AND AWARE OF EVERYTHING AROUND
> THEM SO AS NOT TO BECOME A VICTIM.
>
> George Brown
> Technical Officer Surveillance
>
> Telephone: (08) 9172 8827 Fax: (08) 91721095
> Email: george.brown@mainroads.wa.gov.au
> www.mainroads.wa.gov.au
It is false, but that is not to say it couldn't happen, see;
http://www.snopes.com/crime/gangs/carseat.asp
This just another hoax which changes countries to suit....see
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/infant-car-seat-gang-warning.shtml
or Snopes http://www.snopes.com/crime/gangs/carseat.asp
You should really check these claims before sending them on of psoting them on forums. The 2 links about are an ideal way to find out if it is a hoax or genuine.
Oh I totally agree Val...it is always good to be aware and to be reminded of that....but these sorts of hoaxes distress some people and that is what I get upset about.
Good warning ken..Being an old codger like me I have heard it and seen some strange goings on in my day's as a truck driver.......Conditions after Carbon Tax joke and other price rises is forcing the crimal element too do this......No excuses But they are not doing it too buy boats and new cars and jewels..It's too buy drugs which were allowed to get bye years and years ago by Corruption of ppeople in posistion of power at them times And that mY friend Takes in three main bodies
The criminal element are thinking up new ways to get at us and if any of these make as think a bit more about safety then no harm done
Ken
Whenever you get an email that states ".....send this on to ALL your friends & relations" you can be 99.9% sure it is a hoax designed to scare people and clog the email system.
Cheers Neil
Gday...
Fully appreciate that 'snopes' website shows it is a bit of a furphy - but I speak from experience.
Driving from Castlemaine to Daylesford in Victoria nine years ago I saw a vehicle stopped on the side of the road, bonnet up, lady standing beside and she waved - asking for assistance.
So I did the 'smart' thing - slowed down, drove a bit past, put the car into reverse (for the lights to show the car and lady I had passed), it all seemed OK, so I reversed back to the lady and the car.
I got out and walked toward her, asking what the problem was. Next thing, three blokes came out of the bush and gave me a fair thumping, left me on the ground and when I regained some sense I realised my car was gone and the lady and her car.
I flagged down another vehicle, took me to Daylesford and I reported it to police. My vehicle was found in Bendigo two days later and all my stuff had been taken out of it, stereo taken out, driving lights removed etc. Car was not damaged but I was missing stuff - and feeling really unwell and somewhat annoyed.
So - even though the "baby carrier with blanket" may be a furphy - I NEVER stop of a night to assist ANYONE these days. I take note of vehicle, person, circumstances etc and report it to police in next town - let them worry about it.
Cheers
John
I am pretty much the same John and I have to say it is a bit sad that we as a people have come to this in order to protect ourselves.
Disappointing that you had to endure such a nasty bashing, personal attack and theft of property etc when trying to assist someone you thought was in distress.
Unfortunately I think it is all going to get worse with time as well.
I know it is a hoax, but me being me...I would HAVE to stop if I saw a baby in a seat on the side of the road !!!
But with a baseball bat
And same goes with someone throwing reggs at my car !!!!
It took me less than 10 seconds to do a google search to establish this.
Those who (mis)use the forum for this purpose have never heard the fable of the boy who cried wolf.
Regards
Who is mis using the forum this time Jim?
The evil poster who thought he might be doing some one a favour?
Mis using this forum is using the tone you do on members Jim. Its offensive and un necessary.
Please someone, give Jim the google award, he is a pro.
There is a real warning out, however. Its for the Gloucester/Barrington Tops area.
The police are blitzing the area looking for a bloke who has been hiding there after possibly 2 murders.
Naden search prompts tourist warning
Gloucester Mayor Geoff Slack is urging holiday-makers to take care, as the search for fugitive Malcolm Naden shifts to dense terrain in the Barrington Tops, north of Newcastle.
38-year-old Naden has been on the run for six years and is wanted over the alleged murder of a woman, and the disappearance of another in Dubbo.
He is also accused of shooting a police officer near his make-shift campsite near Nowendoc, as the search closed in two weeks ago.
The command post has now moved to Gloucester and Councillor Slack says people need to be cautious.
"We as usual are expecting quite a lot of people to come up over the holiday period to the beautiful Barrington Tops and the Gloucester Tops," he said.
"We just ask people to be careful, keep an eye out, try not to come up on your own.
"A little group is probably better and if you do see something suspicious please report it immediately to the police."
Councillor Slack says Naden's already been blamed for several local robberies.
"The reports have been coming probably for a couple of years now that somebody and they suspect that it is him has been helping himself to some isolated properties to food, sleeping bags and that sort of thing.
"Yes, he's been in the area for three or four years now and hopefully they'll find him."
How many times has this story have to appear, there is one also about the hitch hiker who has a bike chain wrapped around his hand when you stop to pick him up.
When people use emails or forums to spread misinformation it dilutes the value of genuine information such as that in Rip and Rosie's post.
valnrob,
love that avatar, but why is the lady opening the door sticking two fingers up at me?
Jimbo, firearms are not the answer. I was speaking with a little jockingly regarding the baseball bat in my post above......
Our answer to these issues...if they occur....is common sense.
And to date, twice around AUS with MANY MANY other trips, one being to Perth and back to Sydney...I have NEVER had an issue where a weapon would need to be used.
We are in the luckiest country in the world. Learn to enjoy and don't be paranoid out there is my answer
-- Edited by Dunco on Thursday 22nd of December 2011 08:38:06 PM
OMG!!!!! Is she ??? I thought she was waving. Will have to get new set of glasses !!
This actually happened on the Hay Plains to my husband about 40 yrs ago. Stopped to pick up a hitchhiker. He recconned that the bloke must have lost his fingers when he shut the door on him and took off.
My mother in law also says it happener to her and FIL on the Pacific highway near Taree about 40 years ago
Cheers, Tony
I carried a gun for 27 years and only had to take it out of its holster ONCE. And I worked in some pretty bad areas ....I was also a weapons instructor for 15 years, with Glocks, .38, Heckler & Koch Machine guns, AR 15's, shotguns etc...
I think we should get off this bit about using weapons against an "alleged" bad guy as this is very silly stuff. Guns don't kill people....PEOPLE kill people and with talk like this I can see why. Very sad.
My last bit on this subject as it is getting like another forum............which I hope does NOT happen.
I agree absolutely Dunco!
Ken