It is so true~Why! Oh Why!do ordinary people turn into utter pigs when it comes too camping.We noticed it at Greens Lake.So unfortunateMy belief is that some use it because tip fees are way too high and that the greedy councils have bought it on themselves.Just Yesterday a Mattress was dumped in the Aldi Parking areaThat wouldnt have happened a few years ago.I fear for the future of the free camping.And yet it can be beaten The Pigs I meanStart taking number plates of the young Hoons that do itRangers and Council workersshould patrol more often than sitting in offices getting a fat arse....
How say you all?
Jimbo
aussietraveller said
04:17 PM Jan 13, 2012
Hi Jimbo
Its not just Shopping centres and free camp sites its also along tracks in the bush and national parks often Trailer loads we all have the responsibility to report dumpers it just needs number plate and one phone call.
cannylass said
04:23 PM Jan 13, 2012
A lot of the time its the back packers to we saw the state of parts of Mindle beach in Darwin was the back packers were living in the vans. and car.s rubbish bins were over flowing rubbish all over the ground absolutely a disgrace rubbish on the grass I could go on and on where the back packers have been and spoilt what was some of the great place, Home Hill is one of those places to.
Gerty Dancer said
04:43 PM Jan 13, 2012
Yeah, I agree. I'd have no hesitation to dob in a dumper or hoon if I could see their number plate. It would make camping a scary experience, having all that around you. Different subject I know, but we have trouble with hoons in our street, they all think this is Summernats Street. If we or any of the residents call the police, by the time they arrive the mongrels are gone, only to return an hour later for more burn-outs..
jimbo said
05:13 PM Jan 13, 2012
At Greens Lake I told a young mob of trail bikers that the rangers where doing a patrol tomorrow in unmaked cars....This time it worked...Them hat was there with me know the spot I mean Down the end right of the toilet block
the rocket said
05:18 PM Jan 13, 2012
that's funny. glad it worked. rocket n strop
_wombat_ said
05:43 PM Jan 13, 2012
jimbo, the problem with dobbing is the local council ranger will say, sorry we have to see them ourselves, otherwise its deemed to be hearsay, what a load of crap council's are.
dazren said
07:25 PM Jan 13, 2012
In victoria. we do have anti-litter laws, and i believe that any citizen can report litter or rubbish dumping, there is a Hotline No' to ring, but you must fill out a form with all relevant information, Time, Place, Reg No etc, etc, the goverment body will send the offender a fine, However if they deny the offence they are taken to court, and it is expected that you will attend to give evidence which [ as i can understand ] not many would be willing to do
dazren
animalcarer said
07:32 PM Jan 13, 2012
Yep this chicky can real grumpy when I come across gross dirty pigs, the worst was round tennant creek, and Elliott. Its so upsetting when you pull up somewhere nice and rubbish is lying around, babies disposable nappies, flies everywhere. Saw some council workers the other day about 6 all standing around and having the longest smoko break on record.
rockylizard said
07:58 PM Jan 13, 2012
Gday...
Yep - gits my dander up as well. However, this is not a new phenomenon. It was happening in the 60s, quite probably before, and as we all know, definitely since.
It is part of human nature (the part I abhor). It is not just stuff as detailed above. Walk ANYWHERE in the bush, no matter how isolated or hard to get to and there will be Coke bottles, chip packets, cigarette butts, plastic bottles, take-away papers etc etc etc.
Way back in the 1980s when I first went to Uluru (Ayers Rock) we climbed to the cairn on the top - there were heaps of drink bottles, papers etc all over the place. They can carry 'em up full but can't carry 'em home empty.
Dunno the answer - been the bane of my life for as long as I can remember.
(down orf me soap box now - silly grumpy old man )
Cheers
John
woody said
08:23 PM Jan 13, 2012
well it's happening more and more in Van Parks too, people bring a half a house with them and leave half of that behind when they check out. I am a groundsman and they leave mattresses and BBq's etc , things that wont fit in the bins and , guess what?????? I have to find a way to get rid of THEIR S3HIT. I am so over these people that think the world is their oyster. What ever happened to good ole Aussie behaviour, we have these bronzed Anzacs that put babies nappies down the toilet and block up the whole Parks Sewwr , geez do they do that at home .... I don't think so
Yep i am becoming a grump too mate
-- Edited by woody on Friday 13th of January 2012 08:25:01 PM
bill12 said
09:56 PM Jan 13, 2012
If you see these people doing this , have some courage and go up to them and say would you do this to your home.most of them , usually say they are are ashamed, and do the right thing.Then you get the assole , who want to fight you for saying the right thing.A couple of pics with the phone camera puts them off, usually.I always carry a hardwood hammer handle for the others..........( also a shotgun for recalcitrants). You should NEVER be scared of doing the right thing. Bill
Cruising Granny said
09:57 PM Jan 13, 2012
Ban the damned disposable nappies and get back to the real cotton ones. They end up much cheaper over the 2 years the kid is in them, and they're not hard to wash. I don't know why they sell nappy soaker when no one soaks nappies. We didn't have all these fancy things when our kids were babies. We didn't even have nappy liners, and when they were available I didn't use them. I just washed the nappies and hung them out at night. The night air removed the rest of the stains and they were always white. The world seems to be everyone's toilet, not just the bloke's. Truck stops have lots of "wet spots" and it can be stinky in the morning air when I wake up next to th truck. It's worse when I wake up next to a pile of human excrement. I use a dunny digger when I take the "rolls" for a run. I bury my waste. On the last trip we pulled into a truck parking bay north of Roma. Bewdy, I thought, a toilet - an enviro long drop. But Oh no! Someone had ripped the hinges off the door, and everyone else had used every corner but the seat provided. The stench was horrific. I don't know who has to maintain these things, but they have my sympathy. Do people live like this at home, or do they just turn feral when they leave the gate? Yeah, I know, some do. It's hard to be proud to be a human when I see this stuff.
Geoff n Jen said
10:00 PM Jan 13, 2012
Gerty Dancer wrote:
Yeah, I agree. I'd have no hesitation to dob in a dumper or hoon if I could see their number plate. It would make camping a scary experience, having all that around you. Different subject I know, but we have trouble with hoons in our street, they all think this is Summernats Street. If we or any of the residents call the police, by the time they arrive the mongrels are gone, only to return an hour later for more burn-outs..
Haven't you always longed to own one of those spike thingies the police throw on the road in front of their cars to flatten all their tyres
Geoff n Jen said
10:02 PM Jan 13, 2012
Cruising Granny wrote:
Ban the damned disposable nappies and get back to the real cotton ones. They end up much cheaper over the 2 years the kid is in them, and they're not hard to wash. I don't know why they sell nappy soaker when no one soaks nappies. We didn't have all these fancy things when our kids were babies. We didn't even have nappy liners, and when they were available I didn't use them. I just washed the nappies and hung them out at night. The night air removed the rest of the stains and they were always white. The world seems to be everyone's toilet, not just the bloke's. Truck stops have lots of "wet spots" and it can be stinky in the morning air when I wake up next to th truck. It's worse when I wake up next to a pile of human excrement. I use a dunny digger when I take the "rolls" for a run. I bury my waste. On the last trip we pulled into a truck parking bay north of Roma. Bewdy, I thought, a toilet - an enviro long drop. But Oh no! Someone had ripped the hinges off the door, and everyone else had used every corner but the seat provided. The stench was horrific. I don't know who has to maintain these things, but they have my sympathy. Do people live like this at home, or do they just turn feral when they leave the gate? Yeah, I know, some do. It's hard to be proud to be a human when I see this stuff.
They sell nappy soak t put in our loo's don't they
animalcarer said
08:49 AM Jan 14, 2012
Yep Bill, its always good to carry a DONT ARGUE in the van.
_wombat_ said
08:51 AM Jan 14, 2012
CG part quote:
"Someone had ripped the hinges off the door, and everyone else had used every corner but the seat provided. The stench was horrific. I don't know who has to maintain these things, but they have my sympathy."
Mrs W and looked into becoming DEC camp ground supervisors, when we received the paperwork one of the jobs was to keep the toilet's clean at camp grounds that had them, for this reason only the paperwork went into the rubbish bin.
valnrob said
09:55 AM Jan 14, 2012
Garbage problems are everywhere, some people just don't give a damn. Most of the rest areas we pulled up in (Vic) and probably every state, had rubbish left behind but the worse thing I noticed being female was the used toilet paper littering the ground. Come on women folk, doesn't take much to take a plastic bag with you and put your tinkle paper in and dispose of with your car or van garbage. Have a bit of pride in yourselves!!
_wombat_ said
09:58 AM Jan 14, 2012
valnrob wrote:
Garbage problems are everywhere, some people just don't give a damn. Most of the rest areas we pulled up in (Vic) and probably every state, had rubbish left behind but the worse thing I noticed being female was the used toilet paper littering the ground. Come on women folk, doesn't take much to take a plastic bag with you and put your tinkle paper in and dispose of with your car or van garbage. Have a bit of pride in yourselves!!
I think most people do the right thing but once again the one's that don't get noticed more because of the rubbish they leave behind
jimbo said
11:01 AM Jan 14, 2012
I am of a Generation that did not Dob in anybody......But now. I am going to Protect my Interest ( Free Camping)
Please remember that the councils and their Price structure is one reason behind this.......I have had this discussion with a Council Member and He agree's with me Very Rare.....But this bloke always gets shouted down
rodandjean said
02:08 PM Jan 14, 2012
What do campers do with washing up water which contains fat and small pieces of vegetable matter most times.I have seen some places where people have parked and left grey water waste and during hot weather bring the blowflies around. I cannot understand why caravan manufacturers don't put grey water tanks on like motorhomes,I have had 2 vans now and both have grey water tanks so I can truly say I leave no trace.
Ma said
02:18 PM Jan 14, 2012
We ALWAYS wipe off plates and wipe out any pans etc., with paper towel before they are washed. No bits and pieces going down our drainage hose.
jimbo said
05:05 PM Jan 14, 2012
As This is the only site I look at. (Because it has all I need) Do the other Caravan Clubs and Others have opinions about this very serious problem
ozi2 said
06:24 PM Jan 14, 2012
_wombat_ wrote:
jimbo, the problem with dobbing is the local council ranger will say, sorry we have to see them ourselves, otherwise its deemed to be hearsay, what a load of crap council's are.
True, true, Wombat and then they quote the "privacy act"....and then the courts dont won't to know about it. All the onus and cost is imposed on the person doing the right thing.
DellieMay said
11:02 PM Jan 14, 2012
Ditto , MA. Cheers Dellie
03_troopy said
10:09 AM Jan 15, 2012
jimbo wrote:
As This is the only site I look at. (Because it has all I need) Do the other Caravan Clubs and Others have opinions about this very serious problem
I don't know. Check out some other sites...
But seriously, yes the tissues left behind bushes everywhere you go, even around the King's Canyon Rim walk they are everywhere. As for dobbing in dumpers, a couple of times we have reported piles of houshold rubbish dumped around local bush and beach spots and let the council know that there were envelopes and paperwork with person's names and addresses on them. Whether the council followed it up who knows, but it p*sses me right off seeing such places littered with someones garbage just because they are too lazy or too stupid to do the right thing.
The Headlines in our G/N is disturbing......
It is so true~ Why! Oh Why! do ordinary people turn into utter pigs when it comes too camping.We noticed it at Greens Lake.So unfortunateMy belief is that some use it because tip fees are way too high and that the greedy councils have bought it on themselves.Just Yesterday a Mattress was dumped in the Aldi Parking areaThat wouldnt have happened a few years ago.I fear for the future of the free camping.And yet it can be beaten The Pigs I meanStart taking number plates of the young Hoons that do itRangers and Council workers should patrol more often than sitting in offices getting a fat arse....
How say you all?
Jimbo
Hi Jimbo
Its not just Shopping centres and free camp sites its also along tracks in the bush and national parks often Trailer loads we all have the responsibility to report dumpers it just needs number plate and one phone call.
Different subject I know, but we have trouble with hoons in our street, they all think this is Summernats Street. If we or any of the residents call the police, by the time they arrive the mongrels are gone, only to return an hour later for more burn-outs..
that's funny. glad it worked. rocket n strop
jimbo, the problem with dobbing is the local council ranger will say, sorry we have to see them ourselves, otherwise its deemed to be hearsay, what a load of crap council's are.
In victoria. we do have anti-litter laws, and i believe that any citizen can report litter or rubbish dumping, there is a Hotline No' to ring, but you must fill out a form with all relevant information, Time, Place, Reg No etc, etc, the goverment body will send the offender a fine, However if they deny the offence they are taken to court, and it is expected that you will attend to give evidence which [ as i can understand ] not many would be willing to do
dazren
Its so upsetting when you pull up somewhere nice and rubbish is lying around, babies disposable nappies, flies everywhere.
Saw some council workers the other day about 6 all standing around and having the longest smoko break on record.
Gday...
Yep - gits my dander up as well. However, this is not a new phenomenon. It was happening in the 60s, quite probably before, and as we all know, definitely since.
It is part of human nature (the part I abhor). It is not just stuff as detailed above. Walk ANYWHERE in the bush, no matter how isolated or hard to get to and there will be Coke bottles, chip packets, cigarette butts, plastic bottles, take-away papers etc etc etc.
Way back in the 1980s when I first went to Uluru (Ayers Rock) we climbed to the cairn on the top - there were heaps of drink bottles, papers etc all over the place. They can carry 'em up full but can't carry 'em home empty.
Dunno the answer - been the bane of my life for as long as I can remember.
(down orf me soap box now - silly grumpy old man
)
Cheers
John
well it's happening more and more in Van Parks too, people bring a half a house with them and leave half of that behind when they check out.
I am a groundsman and they leave mattresses and BBq's etc , things that wont fit in the bins and , guess what?????? I have to find a way to get rid of THEIR S3HIT. I am so over these people that think the world is their oyster. What ever happened to good ole Aussie behaviour, we have these bronzed Anzacs that put babies nappies down the toilet and block up the whole Parks Sewwr , geez do they do that at home .... I don't think so
Yep i am becoming a grump too mate
-- Edited by woody on Friday 13th of January 2012 08:25:01 PM
I don't know why they sell nappy soaker when no one soaks nappies.
We didn't have all these fancy things when our kids were babies. We didn't even have nappy liners, and when they were available I didn't use them. I just washed the nappies and hung them out at night. The night air removed the rest of the stains and they were always white.
The world seems to be everyone's toilet, not just the bloke's. Truck stops have lots of "wet spots" and it can be stinky in the morning air when I wake up next to th truck. It's worse when I wake up next to a pile of human excrement.
I use a dunny digger when I take the "rolls" for a run. I bury my waste.
On the last trip we pulled into a truck parking bay north of Roma. Bewdy, I thought, a toilet - an enviro long drop. But Oh no!
Someone had ripped the hinges off the door, and everyone else had used every corner but the seat provided. The stench was horrific.
I don't know who has to maintain these things, but they have my sympathy.
Do people live like this at home, or do they just turn feral when they leave the gate? Yeah, I know, some do.
It's hard to be proud to be a human when I see this stuff.
Haven't you always longed to own one of those spike thingies the police throw on the road in front of their cars to flatten all their tyres
They sell nappy soak t put in our loo's don't they
Yep Bill, its always good to carry a DONT ARGUE in the van.
CG part quote:
"Someone had ripped the hinges off the door, and everyone else had used every corner but the seat provided. The stench was horrific.
I don't know who has to maintain these things, but they have my sympathy."
Mrs W and looked into becoming DEC camp ground supervisors, when we received the paperwork one of the jobs was to keep the toilet's clean at camp grounds that had them, for this reason only the paperwork went into the rubbish bin.
I think most people do the right thing but once again the one's that don't get noticed more because of the rubbish they leave behind
Please remember that the councils and their Price structure is one reason behind this.......I have had this discussion with a Council Member and He agree's with me Very Rare.....But this bloke always gets shouted down
We ALWAYS wipe off plates and wipe out any pans etc., with paper towel before they are washed. No bits and pieces going down our drainage hose.
As This is the only site I look at. (Because it has all I need) Do the other Caravan Clubs and Others have opinions about this very serious problem
True, true, Wombat and then they quote the "privacy act"....and then the courts dont won't to know about it. All the onus and cost is imposed on the person doing the right thing.
Cheers Dellie
I don't know. Check out some other sites...
But seriously, yes the tissues left behind bushes everywhere you go, even around the King's Canyon Rim walk they are everywhere. As for dobbing in dumpers, a couple of times we have reported piles of houshold rubbish dumped around local bush and beach spots and let the council know that there were envelopes and paperwork with person's names and addresses on them. Whether the council followed it up who knows, but it p*sses me right off seeing such places littered with someones garbage just because they are too lazy or too stupid to do the right thing.