edit, this was at the caravan park right by the shoalhaven bridge , and river..
-- Edited by milo on Sunday 26th of February 2012 04:20:23 PM
Clare46 said
04:37 PM Feb 26, 2012
Ma wrote:
You can always keep in mind an over 55's village when the time comes Milo.
We don't have to put up with any of that sort of rubbish and can go away and not have to worry.
I know you have quite a few years before you reach that age but it's never too soon to do some homework on the subject.
I have to agree with you Ma. I just let the office know I'm going, lock the door and I'm off with out any worries.
-- Edited by Clare46 on Sunday 26th of February 2012 04:38:15 PM
johnq said
11:14 PM Feb 26, 2012
Howard's gun laws missed the target, being aimed as they were at the respectable members of the community without criminal background who are prepared to obtain a licence. Crime by such people is rare. Likewise the use of firearms stolen from licensed owners to commit crime is rare. I don't think there is any record in the last year's stats of a handgun stolen from a private licensed individual being used to commit a crime. I exclude theft from police and security companies.
Gun 'control' is poorly targeted anyhow because the goal should be to reduce violence whatever its nature and cause. The fact is that an offender is going to commit that crime and passing more laws to duplicate already existing laws is nothing but making a show for politicians and bureaucrats who are reluctant to grasp the nettle on the causes of violence - much of which is related to the millions made from drugs, especially drugs involving organised crime.
Nonetheless the community gets scared because any incident almost anywhere in the world that could involve a firearm is sensationalised by the media who want to sell papers or get an audience. Crime involving firearms is miniscule in Australia. It always has been and was dropping and continued to drop in the same fashion before and after Howard's bureaucratic morass of paperwork that passes for gun laws. Similarly 4x4 vehicles attract sensationalised headlines. Who hasn't heard of the accident reported involving a 'four wheel drive' and a cyclist? It turned out that the cyclist wasn't watching where he was going and ran into a stationary softroader. Again, an accident involving a caravan is likely to be reported as though the van was at fault. It is negative stereotyping.
What really annoys police and licensed private owners alike is that Howard's changes managed to sool police onto licensed law-abiding owners who became listed on police computers as 'persons of interest' and subject to random inspections in their home. The nett effect is police in weapons branches polish chairs trying to manage the white elephant gun registry that has never solved a crime nor will ever do so - because it only lists firearms registered by the law abiding licensed owners and not those held by criminals. Not so strangely criminals do not apply for licenses and they do not register their guns and they certainly do not give firearms away in an amnesty. That is why other countries have closed gun registries.
What Cruising granny intimated is right, police say that violent crime is almost invariably "filth on filth" if all can pardon the expression, or the usual problem households of ferals. But even so the incidence of crime involving guns in Australia is tiny and always was.
I don't believe it is easy to get a black market gun. But it is an easy way to feel a hand on your shoulder and spend some time in the pokey. As for the criminal element, they import theirs and will always be able to do that.
Just think though, if all of the citizens who buy recreational drugs -and many if not the majority are middle class professionals and other well paid workers- stopped buying drugs the bottom would fall out of the market overnight and crims would head off elsewhere to ply their 'trade'. Problem solved.
-- Edited by johnq on Sunday 26th of February 2012 11:15:49 PM
-- Edited by johnq on Sunday 26th of February 2012 11:18:14 PM
Dougwe said
11:23 PM Feb 26, 2012
Not good milo, I hope all is ok around that area.
Cruising Granny said
11:59 PM Feb 26, 2012
That's terrible, but it looks personal to me. It also could reflect the quality of the residents in the park. Most of these things are not random. Often related to money, drugs or interloping on another man's territory. (read "woman")
A few months ago we did have a very drunk bloke mooching around the roadhouse next door, threatening bodily harm to anyone who got in his way. The police chopper hovered for hours while they tried to keep him under control on the ground. Scary stuff. The innocent people not the least bit involved in the drama are the ones most affected. Keep you head down Milo. I don't think they're after you unless you have been involved in the issues above.
milo said
12:17 AM Feb 27, 2012
nah , i just try to keep to myself these days, unfortunately , Last year we had a neighbor down my street who apparently had been going around the place trying to stab some one, i think he'd gone off his meds or was on drugs or something, and the house across from me is always having visits from the guys in blue.. I so much miss living on the farm, weekend neighbors who we hardly saw, but knew every one.. We all looked out for each other and kept an eye on things if one were a way.. now days Its so different and town life is so different .. oh well.. if i ever win the lotto id buy another farm again...
Ma said
12:33 AM Feb 27, 2012
You can always keep in mind an over 55's village when the time comes Milo.
We don't have to put up with any of that sort of rubbish and can go away and not have to worry.
I know you have quite a few years before you reach that age but it's never too soon to do some homework on the subject.
Cruising Granny said
12:37 AM Feb 27, 2012
Or move into a well-managed park. They soon remove the "drop-kick" element if they cause trouble. This park has a lot of itinerant workers staying in the cabins. They are mostly young and very well behaved and respectful of their neighbours. It all comes back to management. One drop kick leads to more drop kicks and they're inclined to breed in captivity.
Ma said
12:48 AM Feb 27, 2012
Yes Clare it is good to be able to go away and not have the stress and worry about if you house is safe and your gardens being looked after and your mail collected.
Wouldn't be anywhere else. Was the best move I have made.
Cruising Granny said
01:38 AM Feb 27, 2012
Channel 10 news here in Adelaide has just shown the park in connection with this shooting. Where do they get the guns from? What happened to the gun laws?
milo said
02:55 AM Feb 27, 2012
who knows but if they want it they'll get it...
Antique Pete said
03:05 AM Feb 27, 2012
Hi Ma it is easier to get a illegal gun than a legal one
They only check very few containers coming into the country the dogs can smell drugs but not guns if they have not been fired
It can take a full 12 months to get a pistol legally with full police back ground checks or overnight with a word in the right ear at the right pub.
The legal gun owners get punished for the slightest digression and the crims get a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again
We [gun owners] want anyone who misuses a firearm to be put away for a long time
Cruising Granny said
07:35 AM Feb 27, 2012
You are right John Q. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Adelaide has been the subject of a bikie war. Someone kills or wounds the son of a bikie. The bikie retaliates. The bikie is shot and wounded and lives to carry on the feud. It is all about drugs and other illegal activies behind the shop front of a tatoo parlour or night club. It never ends. It's all about power surges and control. Meanwhile the innocent bystanders and neighbours are subjected to the sights and sounds of all this violence. It really gets vicious, and very little is done about it. Or they get a short jail sentence and live to carry on another day, or the leader's deputies carry on. It's very organised.
Antique Pete said
03:10 PM Feb 27, 2012
I agree with all you wrote, the police in Qld are so tied up with paper work they have no time to do their job
We used to have a R.B.T set up at the top of our road at 10am a couple of times a week I asked a police friend why such a silly time
He said we are less likely to catch anyone one at that time so we can do more tests without the time wasting of processing a drunk
Then the politicians can state that we have done 30,000 drink tests and only caught a small percentage so that proves our polices are working
Dunco said
06:15 PM Feb 27, 2012
Antique Pete wrote:
We used to have a R.B.T set up at the top of our road at 10am a couple of times a week I asked a police friend why such a silly time
He said we are less likely to catch anyone one at that time so we can do more tests without the time wasting of processing a drunk
That is a little over the top I think....Police LIKE to catch drunk drivers !!!
Antique Pete said
03:17 AM Feb 28, 2012
Police do love to catch drunks, politicians love numbers to spruke to us gullible people This was from a high level cop sick of the bull sh##t
I dont belive this, right in my home town..
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/caravan-park-shooting-victim-critical-20120226-1tw3f.html
edit, this was at the caravan park right by the shoalhaven bridge , and river..
-- Edited by milo on Sunday 26th of February 2012 04:20:23 PM
-- Edited by Clare46 on Sunday 26th of February 2012 04:38:15 PM
Howard's gun laws missed the target, being aimed as they were at the respectable members of the community without criminal background who are prepared to obtain a licence. Crime by such people is rare. Likewise the use of firearms stolen from licensed owners to commit crime is rare. I don't think there is any record in the last year's stats of a handgun stolen from a private licensed individual being used to commit a crime. I exclude theft from police and security companies.
Gun 'control' is poorly targeted anyhow because the goal should be to reduce violence whatever its nature and cause. The fact is that an offender is going to commit that crime and passing more laws to duplicate already existing laws is nothing but making a show for politicians and bureaucrats who are reluctant to grasp the nettle on the causes of violence - much of which is related to the millions made from drugs, especially drugs involving organised crime.
Nonetheless the community gets scared because any incident almost anywhere in the world that could involve a firearm is sensationalised by the media who want to sell papers or get an audience. Crime involving firearms is miniscule in Australia. It always has been and was dropping and continued to drop in the same fashion before and after Howard's bureaucratic morass of paperwork that passes for gun laws. Similarly 4x4 vehicles attract sensationalised headlines. Who hasn't heard of the accident reported involving a 'four wheel drive' and a cyclist? It turned out that the cyclist wasn't watching where he was going and ran into a stationary softroader. Again, an accident involving a caravan is likely to be reported as though the van was at fault. It is negative stereotyping.
What really annoys police and licensed private owners alike is that Howard's changes managed to sool police onto licensed law-abiding owners who became listed on police computers as 'persons of interest' and subject to random inspections in their home. The nett effect is police in weapons branches polish chairs trying to manage the white elephant gun registry that has never solved a crime nor will ever do so - because it only lists firearms registered by the law abiding licensed owners and not those held by criminals. Not so strangely criminals do not apply for licenses and they do not register their guns and they certainly do not give firearms away in an amnesty. That is why other countries have closed gun registries.
What Cruising granny intimated is right, police say that violent crime is almost invariably "filth on filth" if all can pardon the expression, or the usual problem households of ferals. But even so the incidence of crime involving guns in Australia is tiny and always was.
I don't believe it is easy to get a black market gun. But it is an easy way to feel a hand on your shoulder and spend some time in the pokey. As for the criminal element, they import theirs and will always be able to do that.
Just think though, if all of the citizens who buy recreational drugs -and many if not the majority are middle class professionals and other well paid workers- stopped buying drugs the bottom would fall out of the market overnight and crims would head off elsewhere to ply their 'trade'. Problem solved.
-- Edited by johnq on Sunday 26th of February 2012 11:15:49 PM
-- Edited by johnq on Sunday 26th of February 2012 11:18:14 PM
Most of these things are not random. Often related to money, drugs or interloping on another man's territory. (read "woman")
A few months ago we did have a very drunk bloke mooching around the roadhouse next door, threatening bodily harm to anyone who got in his way. The police chopper hovered for hours while they tried to keep him under control on the ground. Scary stuff.
The innocent people not the least bit involved in the drama are the ones most affected.
Keep you head down Milo. I don't think they're after you unless you have been involved in the issues above.
Last year we had a neighbor down my street who apparently had been going around the place
trying to stab some one, i think he'd gone off his meds or was on drugs or something, and the house across from me
is always having visits from the guys in blue..
I so much miss living on the farm, weekend neighbors who we hardly saw, but knew every one..
We all looked out for each other and kept an eye on things if one were a way.. now days Its so different and
town life is so different .. oh well.. if i ever win the lotto id buy another farm again...
You can always keep in mind an over 55's village when the time comes Milo.
We don't have to put up with any of that sort of rubbish and can go away and not have to worry.
I know you have quite a few years before you reach that age but it's never too soon to do some homework on the subject.
This park has a lot of itinerant workers staying in the cabins. They are mostly young and very well behaved and respectful of their neighbours.
It all comes back to management. One drop kick leads to more drop kicks and they're inclined to breed in captivity.
Yes Clare it is good to be able to go away and not have the stress and worry about if you house is safe and your gardens being looked after and your mail collected.
Wouldn't be anywhere else. Was the best move I have made.
Where do they get the guns from? What happened to the gun laws?
Hi Ma it is easier to get a illegal gun than a legal one
They only check very few containers coming into the country the dogs can smell drugs but not guns if they have not been fired
It can take a full 12 months to get a pistol legally with full police back ground checks or overnight with a word in the right ear at the right pub.
The legal gun owners get punished for the slightest digression and the crims get a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again
We [gun owners] want anyone who misuses a firearm to be put away for a long time
Adelaide has been the subject of a bikie war. Someone kills or wounds the son of a bikie. The bikie retaliates. The bikie is shot and wounded and lives to carry on the feud.
It is all about drugs and other illegal activies behind the shop front of a tatoo parlour or night club.
It never ends. It's all about power surges and control.
Meanwhile the innocent bystanders and neighbours are subjected to the sights and sounds of all this violence.
It really gets vicious, and very little is done about it. Or they get a short jail sentence and live to carry on another day, or the leader's deputies carry on. It's very organised.
I agree with all you wrote, the police in Qld are so tied up with paper work they have no time to do their job
We used to have a R.B.T set up at the top of our road at 10am a couple of times a week I asked a police friend why such a silly time
He said we are less likely to catch anyone one at that time so we can do more tests without the time wasting of processing a drunk
Then the politicians can state that we have done 30,000 drink tests and only caught a small percentage so that proves our polices are working
That is a little over the top I think....Police LIKE to catch drunk drivers !!!
This was from a high level cop sick of the bull sh##t