Not sure that it actually Cooks FR. More a warmer I think. I looked at them a while ago. Will see if I can find more info. to post.
This is a post from another Forum.
" We used one of the DS ones in the back of the Patrol when we went on our 4 week trip and found it to be fantastic. There are 4 of us and it had no trouble heating the pies or chiko rolls etc for all of us. We put them in frozen when we stopped for morning tea, then rotated them about an hour and half later and about another hour later we were eating extremely hot tucker."
Product Features
Handy 12-volt portable stove
Warms food to 300 degrees
Can be used to heat most kinds of pre-cooked food
Plugs into most 12V lighter-type sockets
Ideal for stews, beans, chops, rice meals, hot dishes/goulash and more
This portable, lightweight, 12 volt oven can cook, bake and warm foods while you travel. Simply load the Travel Buddy up with pies, pasties, sausage rolls, ...
Cheers, Sheba.
-- Edited by Sheba on Sunday 1st of April 2012 09:03:35 AM
Dougwe said
02:34 PM Apr 1, 2012
How does it work FR. Maybe a couple of extra pics might cure the curiosity.
Fried Rice said
03:53 PM Apr 1, 2012
I've spent time on the net with this Sheba and I'm reasonably satisfied with what can be found there. I'm more looking for someone with personal experience of the item.
Hopefully I might find that at its' temprature of 150deg one might be able to "slow cook" a small roast or??
Here's a pic of a similar unit, brand unknown.. the DS model has same depth in both top and bottom halves.. the heat is all applied from the bottom tray.Thanks Sheba and Dougwe for your interest..
BTW I saw your edit Sheba.. that's the kind of info I seek.
I guess for $34 (at DS just now) you can't go far wrong.
One of the reasons for undertaking this project was to provide a better stove but equally is was my attempt to be able to cook dinner legally during total fire ban days in Victoria.
(See Exploroz post 39298)
While there are a couple of alternatives, I came to the conclusion that a generator setup driving 240v appliances was an overkill for a tent camping setup out of the back of the car. This especially as its hard to get 240v appliances now that consume under a 1000w , making a large generator necessary.
12V stoves are available from about $30 at Dick Smith to hundreds of dollars for stainless steel versions however all I have seen or reviewed have been just barely adequate because there elements are less than 100w and hence simply take to long to cook.
We have one labeled "Burton" from a camping store and its typical of a range of these things that all look like they came out of the same Chinese factory.
It takes 35min or more to heat up a couple of already thawed out pies or pasties.
This project is about how I modified my stove to get more out of it.
Being into electronics I have often solved these issues by simply increasing the voltage with a 12-15v convertor or similar. In this project I also considered using resistors as supplementary heating elements by gluing them with high temp glue next to the existing element.
However in the end I choose a different path which costs about $30 and is probably a lot easier to implement for non-electronics people. This approach provides a significant performance boost.
Whilst sitting under an apple tree and having a serious ponder about the stove, an apple fell from the tree and hit the stove on the top lid. (give me some slack here!) I glanced again at the stove and then it dawned. This stove probably consisted of two almost identical halves. One half, the base, has a metal tray heated by an element and cable, and the top half just has a metal tray blank of the same dimensions. Certainly the moldings and food trays look the same. If this was true then perhaps I could buy a second unit, and take off its heated tray half and mate it with the heated half I already had, such that both the top and base halves would then have heating elements.
Instantly, I would have doubled the heating power, and this, in effect is what we did with success.
CONSTRUCTION ------------- Unfortunately you can't just get the bottom half off one stove and attach it to the first because the top and base plastic moldings are different because they incorporate opposite halves of a hinging mechanism. What has to be done is to remove the heated metal tray from one stove and substitute it for the non-heated top tray in the other unit. This turns out to be dead easy as the trays are held in by just a push together rubber seal around the top lip. It takes all of 10 seconds to remove the rubber seal with a screwdriver, lift up the metal tray and then cut off the 12v power lead attached.
You have to connect the 12v power between the new top half to the power in the other base half and I did this by drilling holes in the back of the black plastic cases in each and fitting rubber grommets (Jaycar Cat. HP0702). On the electrical side, you just get about 300mm of the twin flex lead you cut off and wire/solder it across the existing elements leads in the base, then pass the wire out of the base thru the grommet and run it back thru the grommet into the new top half. Doesn't matter which way you connect the wires as the heating elements attached to the base of the trays are electrically isolated from the trays. I used a bit of heaksink over the connections to insulate them.
An alternate approach to paralleling the wires would be to just run the two existing leads with plugs attached to each stove half. This could give you the option of having a two speed stove, but would require two power sockets unless you came up with a switch arrangement.
With the two trays now connected, you could just pop them back into there respective cases halves however I decide to go one better. When disassembling the unit, you will notice that they use insulating pads, a sort of semi-rigid fibre glass batt. These fitted poorly in mine but now with 2 sets I had more material. I cut up the second set and placed the bits into both halves of the new stove to make a proper fit. Further the original stoves had no insulation down the sides. I sliced the batts into 10mm thick wafers and put a piece down every side of both halves (8 extra pieces).
Adding the insulation made it tricker to push the metal tray sections back in with the rubber seal, you really need 3 hands, but with use of screwdriver I got it all reassembled correctly, once I realized that the rubber seal has lips which should go over the metal tray edges when re-fitting.
PERFORMANCE ----------- The elements in these stoves are thermostatically controlled at 150c, so the maximum temperature is no greater. Shorter cooking time comes from the fact that the long warmup time is reduced, the stove tends to have 150c all around it, not just at the bottom, and the heat coming from the top and sides tends to bake things not just heat. However heating from the top is not as effective as bottom heating where food is in direct contact with a hot surface.
My tests on pasties were that the cooking time was reduced from 35min to 25min with better heat distribution thru the food. The cooking time is not much quicker in my oven at home unless set to burn, as heat still has to get thru the food.
An unexpected bonus with this stove came when I realized that by leaving it open I could actually cook 2 seperate dishes at once. This requires alfoil over each to keep the heat in and of course takes us back to 40min cooking time - still two elements in the same size package is great. Well I thought it was as I cooked up rice in one tray and mixed frozen vegies in the other tray for tea the other night. But I think the family may have thought mum could have done better seeing as we were actually at home.
POWER REQUIREMENTS -------------------- The unit probably takes no more total power to cook as its still thermostat controlled, and perhaps even less, however it can draw double the current at (16 amps max) and your fuses need to be checked.
My "Burton" unit came with heavy power leads and a poor plug with a 15amp internal fuse. I used this initially, still with its 15amp fuse, however I consider the 12v cig lighter plug inadequate and changed it to one of those "lion brand" versions which have 4 copper contact points and no inline fuse. If sticking with an inline fuse it really should be 20-25amp. I use a separately wired 12V (6mm sq copper) accessory lead in my car fused at 30amps.
My Dick Smith stove had an undersized 12v power cable and I did not use it except for the 300mm section to run between the two heated element sections.
SOME NOTES ------------ The 12V electrical wires should be keep on the outside of the insulation and not touching the metal trays.
My stoves where branded differently (Burton & Dick Smith) but they are the same moldings.
CONCLUSION ---------- We were very pleased with the result achieved for about 3hrs effort and while this stove is no substitute for the gas stuff its faster and better performance means it is now acceptable. It is legal to use on total fire ban days. The unexpected bonus of cooking two seperate foods without taking more gear is really useful. Combining this with the ability to begin heating food in the car before we get back to camp and hence take less off-battery power has meant that a previously marginal device has become a useful camping accessory.
Robin Miller 10/11/2006
P.S. Exploroz does make make it easy to post projects , however the project is on our Yahoo site as a word document with pictures.
Site Link
Fried Rice said
05:04 PM Apr 1, 2012
Oh Yeah, Sheba!! Will you do that for me please
I agree with someone else who responded to that... "A big effort to take 5 or 10 minutes off a heating time of around 1/2 hour."
Thanks for follow up.
Are you an Exploroz subscriber?
FR
Sheba said
06:03 PM Apr 1, 2012
Fried Rice wrote:
Are you an Exploroz subscriber?
FR
Used to be FR. Only go looking occasionally these days. Hope that was useful. Wanted to find out for myself as well, but I enjoy trying to find things. Still not sure if I'll get one or not.
Cheers,
Sheba.
Fried Rice said
07:41 PM Apr 1, 2012
In stock now at DS stores.. currently on special @ $34 a pop.
You'll come across one soon; Warwick..Dalby..Toowoomba..Ipswich, all listed in the DS website Marj.
FR
-- Edited by Fried Rice on Sunday 1st of April 2012 07:42:14 PM
jimricho said
07:58 PM Apr 1, 2012
I'm not familiar with these per se but keep in mind you never get something for nothing or a lot for a little, in this case a lot of heat for very little power. These units are 120 watts. Compare that with a normal oven or turbo oven that has a wattage of ten to twenty times that (or more). Even a microwave with all their magic has a power output of 800 - 1000 watts.
That said, it may be useful as long as one recognises its limitations and doesn't expect the impossible from it.
Fried Rice said
08:09 PM Apr 1, 2012
The Travel Buddy reads well, Sheba.
A bit bigger than the DS model; space in our wee campervan is at a premium. I have asked them for a price.. not shown on their page.
Is that a bit "sus"; they do invite you to order!
FR
Fried Rice said
08:12 PM Apr 1, 2012
Good day Jim..
An interesting aspect of these is that they will heat (or slow cook?) while we're rolling along.. a useful benefit while we have very limited cooking space on our hotplate. (no microwave space, nor do we want one).thanks for input
FR
Patto44 said
12:18 AM Apr 2, 2012
DS has free delivery on the cooker at the moment. Think I might order one.
Cheers Patto.
jimricho said
01:04 AM Apr 2, 2012
Fried Rice wrote:
Good day Jim..
An interesting aspect of these is that they will heat (or slow cook?) while we're rolling along.. a useful benefit while we have very limited cooking space on our hotplate. (no microwave space, nor do we want one).thanks for input
FR
Could well be very useful in your circumstances while on the move.
Keep in mind the current drawdown (10 amps) on the battery (main or house) would make it impractical when pulled up. Not trying to be a "wet blanket" here, just mentioning these things so folks reading this thread don't have an unrealistic expectation of it.
Jim
Mary said
02:23 AM Apr 2, 2012
I have had one of the Dick Smith ones for some time.It's compact and handy for those times when on the road longer than anticipated.Some group trips often get into camp late.I carry some home cooked frozen meals which can be popped in the Ds oven and one arrives at campsite with a steaming hot roast dinner to be enjoyed immediately.No setting up just enjoy with a nice glass of wine and into bed. They do draw a lot of current so best used while on the move for a hot meal on arrival.I bought mine after a recommendation from a truck driver friend.Can be used to reheat anything,keep the fish and chips warm,enjoy a pie for lunch etc.Cheap,compact and works well Cheers, Mary
Happywanderer said
02:35 AM Apr 2, 2012
I would be interested in getting one of those too. Think they would be great for heating up TV dinners and other frozen meals. Are they in the shops at Dick Smith or just online.
Fried Rice said
02:37 AM Apr 2, 2012
Thanks for the first hand report Mary.. just the sort of info we seek.
There's a very good chance we'll get one, just waiting on feedback from manufacturer of "Travel Buddy"; the issues with it are size and price so we'll see.
Fried Rice
Happywanderer said
02:54 AM Apr 2, 2012
Thanks FR, will have a look as I go through Dalby.
Fried Rice said
04:20 PM Apr 2, 2012
Are yer hungry or aren't yer??.....
fr
-- Edited by Fried Rice on Monday 2nd of April 2012 04:21:01 PM
Sheba said
04:26 PM Apr 2, 2012
Fried Rice wrote:
The Travel Buddy reads well, Sheba.
A bit bigger than the DS model; space in our wee campervan is at a premium. I have asked them for a price.. not shown on their page.
Is that a bit "sus"; they do invite you to order!
FR
Just got this reply from them.
Thank you for your enquiry about the Travel Buddy.
I hope you find the following information helpful.
John
Travel Buddy $190.00 pick up.
For delivery please add
$15 freight for Vic, Tas, NSW, S.A.
$25 freight for QLD, N.T. W.A.
Direct deposits
Bendigo Bank
BSB 633-000
ACC 101104370
Credit card
Phone with details to Crystalair to number below
Cheques made payable to Crystalair/Travel Buddy
Shed 2
94 Nolan St
Cheers,
Sheba.
Fried Rice said
05:48 PM Apr 2, 2012
Thanks Sheba.. he replied to my email as well.
Hmmm... I don't think I could justify six times the price of the Dick Smith item, especially in my circustances where space is a premium and we'll probably never need to cater for more than the two of us.
I'll be off to DS today to buy one before they go "off special"
regds FR
Clyde Camel said
06:57 PM Apr 2, 2012
I've heard that some people out at Bridsville, use it for heating Camel Pies. Disgusting!
Sheba said
12:26 AM Apr 3, 2012
Welcome Clyde, and thanks for the Website.
Cheers,
Sheba.
_wombat_ said
01:29 AM Apr 3, 2012
Clyde Camel wrote:
I've heard that some people out at Bridsville, use it for heating Camel Pies. Disgusting!
Hello all..
Has anyone experience of this item? I have a couple of truckie friends who recommend and would be grateful for any further comment?
It's a neat little unit, small is imporant in our little Trakkadu.
Thanks Fried Rice
Not sure that it actually Cooks FR. More a warmer I think. I looked at them a while ago. Will see if I can find more info. to post.
This is a post from another Forum.
"
We used one of the DS ones in the back of the Patrol when we went on our 4 week trip and found it to be fantastic. There are 4 of us and it had no trouble heating the pies or chiko rolls etc for all of us. We put them in frozen when we stopped for morning tea, then rotated them about an hour and half later and about another hour later we were eating extremely hot tucker."
Product Features
Internal Pic.'s
Here's another one.
Travel Buddy - Portable Reheating Oven
Cheers,
Sheba.
-- Edited by Sheba on Sunday 1st of April 2012 09:03:35 AM
How does it work FR. Maybe a couple of extra pics might cure the curiosity.
I've spent time on the net with this Sheba and I'm reasonably satisfied with what can be found there. I'm more looking for someone with personal experience of the item.
Hopefully I might find that at its' temprature of 150deg one might be able to "slow cook" a small roast or??
Here's a pic of a similar unit, brand unknown.. the DS model has same depth in both top and bottom halves.. the heat is all applied from the bottom tray.Thanks Sheba and Dougwe for your interest..
BTW I saw your edit Sheba.. that's the kind of info I seek.
I guess for $34 (at DS just now) you can't go far wrong.
FR
BETTER 12V STOVE PROJECT
Robin
----------------------------------
One of the reasons for undertaking this project was to provide
a better stove but equally is was my attempt to be able to cook
dinner legally during total fire ban days in Victoria.
(See Exploroz post 39298)
While there are a couple of alternatives, I came to the
conclusion that a generator setup driving 240v appliances
was an overkill for a tent camping setup out of the back of
the car. This especially as its hard to get 240v appliances now that
consume under a 1000w , making a large generator necessary.
12V stoves are available from about $30 at Dick Smith to hundreds of
dollars for stainless steel versions however all I have seen or reviewed
have been just barely adequate because there elements are less than 100w
and hence simply take to long to cook.
We have one labeled "Burton" from a camping store and its typical of a range
of these things that all look like they came out of the same Chinese factory.
It takes 35min or more to heat up a couple of already thawed out pies or pasties.
This project is about how I modified my stove to get more out of it.
Being into electronics I have often solved these issues by simply increasing
the voltage with a 12-15v convertor or similar. In this project I also
considered using resistors as supplementary heating elements by gluing
them with high temp glue next to the existing element.
However in the end I choose a different path which costs about $30 and is
probably a lot easier to implement for non-electronics people.
This approach provides a significant performance boost.
Whilst sitting under an apple tree and having a serious ponder about the
stove, an apple fell from the tree and hit the stove on the top lid.
(give me some slack here!)
I glanced again at the stove and then it dawned.
This stove probably consisted of two almost identical halves.
One half, the base, has a metal tray heated by an element and cable, and
the top half just has a metal tray blank of the same dimensions.
Certainly the moldings and food trays look the same.
If this was true then perhaps I could buy a second unit, and take off its
heated tray half and mate it with the heated half I already had, such that both the
top and base halves would then have heating elements.
Instantly, I would have doubled the heating power, and this, in effect is what
we did with success.
CONSTRUCTION
-------------
Unfortunately you can't just get the bottom half off one stove and attach it
to the first because the top and base plastic moldings are different because
they incorporate opposite halves of a hinging mechanism.
What has to be done is to remove the heated metal tray from one stove and
substitute it for the non-heated top tray in the other unit.
This turns out to be dead easy as the trays are held in by just a push together
rubber seal around the top lip. It takes all of 10 seconds to remove the rubber
seal with a screwdriver, lift up the metal tray and then cut off the 12v
power lead attached.
You have to connect the 12v power between the new top half to the power
in the other base half and I did this by drilling holes in the back of
the black plastic cases in each and fitting rubber grommets (Jaycar Cat. HP0702).
On the electrical side, you just get about 300mm of the twin flex lead
you cut off and wire/solder it across the existing elements leads in the
base, then pass the wire out of the base thru the grommet and run it back
thru the grommet into the new top half.
Doesn't matter which way you connect the wires as the heating elements
attached to the base of the trays are electrically isolated from the trays.
I used a bit of heaksink over the connections to insulate them.
An alternate approach to paralleling the wires would be to just run
the two existing leads with plugs attached to each stove half.
This could give you the option of having a two speed stove, but would require
two power sockets unless you came up with a switch arrangement.
With the two trays now connected, you could just pop them back into there
respective cases halves however I decide to go one better.
When disassembling the unit, you will notice that they use insulating
pads, a sort of semi-rigid fibre glass batt. These fitted poorly in mine
but now with 2 sets I had more material. I cut up the second set and placed
the bits into both halves of the new stove to make a proper fit.
Further the original stoves had no insulation down the sides. I sliced the batts into
10mm thick wafers and put a piece down every side of both halves (8 extra pieces).
Adding the insulation made it tricker to push the metal tray sections back in with the rubber seal, you really need 3 hands, but with use of screwdriver I got it all reassembled correctly, once I realized that the rubber seal has lips which should go over the metal tray edges when re-fitting.
PERFORMANCE
-----------
The elements in these stoves are thermostatically controlled at 150c, so the maximum temperature is no greater. Shorter cooking time comes from the fact that the long warmup time is reduced, the stove tends to have 150c all around it, not just at the bottom, and the heat coming from the top and sides tends to bake things not just heat.
However heating from the top is not as effective as bottom heating where food is in
direct contact with a hot surface.
My tests on pasties were that the cooking time was reduced from 35min to 25min
with better heat distribution thru the food. The cooking time is not much quicker
in my oven at home unless set to burn, as heat still has to get thru the food.
An unexpected bonus with this stove came when I realized that by leaving it open
I could actually cook 2 seperate dishes at once. This requires alfoil over each to
keep the heat in and of course takes us back to 40min cooking time - still two
elements in the same size package is great.
Well I thought it was as I cooked up rice in one tray and mixed
frozen vegies in the other tray for tea the other night.
But I think the family may have thought mum could have done
better seeing as we were actually at home.
POWER REQUIREMENTS
--------------------
The unit probably takes no more total power to cook as its still thermostat
controlled, and perhaps even less, however it can draw double the current at
(16 amps max) and your fuses need to be checked.
My "Burton" unit came with heavy power leads and a poor plug with a 15amp
internal fuse. I used this initially, still with its 15amp fuse, however
I consider the 12v cig lighter plug inadequate and changed it to one of
those "lion brand" versions which have 4 copper contact points and no inline fuse.
If sticking with an inline fuse it really should be 20-25amp.
I use a separately wired 12V (6mm sq copper) accessory lead in my car
fused at 30amps.
My Dick Smith stove had an undersized 12v power cable and I did not use it except
for the 300mm section to run between the two heated element sections.
SOME NOTES
------------
The 12V electrical wires should be keep on the outside of the insulation and not
touching the metal trays.
My stoves where branded differently (Burton & Dick Smith) but they are the same moldings.
CONCLUSION
----------
We were very pleased with the result achieved for about 3hrs effort and while
this stove is no substitute for the gas stuff its faster and better performance
means it is now acceptable. It is legal to use on total fire ban days.
The unexpected bonus of cooking two seperate foods without taking more
gear is really useful.
Combining this with the ability to begin heating food in the car before we get back
to camp and hence take less off-battery power has meant that a previously marginal device has become a useful camping accessory.
Robin Miller
10/11/2006
P.S. Exploroz does make make it easy to post projects , however the
project is on our Yahoo site as a word document with pictures.
Site Link
Oh Yeah, Sheba!! Will you do that for me please
I agree with someone else who responded to that... "A big effort to take 5 or 10 minutes off a heating time of around 1/2 hour."
Thanks for follow up.
Are you an Exploroz subscriber?
FR
Used to be FR. Only go looking occasionally these days. Hope that was useful. Wanted to find out for myself as well, but I enjoy trying to find things. Still not sure if I'll get one or not.
Cheers,
Sheba.
In stock now at DS stores.. currently on special @ $34 a pop.
You'll come across one soon; Warwick..Dalby..Toowoomba..Ipswich, all listed in the DS website Marj.
FR
-- Edited by Fried Rice on Sunday 1st of April 2012 07:42:14 PM
That said, it may be useful as long as one recognises its limitations and doesn't expect the impossible from it.
The Travel Buddy reads well, Sheba.
A bit bigger than the DS model; space in our wee campervan is at a premium. I have asked them for a price.. not shown on their page.
Is that a bit "sus"; they do invite you to order!
FR
Good day Jim..
An interesting aspect of these is that they will heat (or slow cook?) while we're rolling along.. a useful benefit while we have very limited cooking space on our hotplate. (no microwave space, nor do we want one).thanks for input
FR
Cheers
Patto.
Could well be very useful in your circumstances while on the move.
Keep in mind the current drawdown (10 amps) on the battery (main or house) would make it impractical when pulled up. Not trying to be a "wet blanket" here, just mentioning these things so folks reading this thread don't have an unrealistic expectation of it.
Jim
They do draw a lot of current so best used while on the move for a hot meal on arrival.I bought mine after a recommendation from a truck driver friend.Can be used to reheat anything,keep the fish and chips warm,enjoy a pie for lunch etc.Cheap,compact and works well
Cheers,
Mary
Thanks for the first hand report Mary.. just the sort of info we seek.
There's a very good chance we'll get one, just waiting on feedback from manufacturer of "Travel Buddy"; the issues with it are size and price so we'll see.
Fried Rice
Are yer hungry or aren't yer??.....

fr
-- Edited by Fried Rice on Monday 2nd of April 2012 04:21:01 PM
Thank you for your enquiry about the Travel Buddy.
I hope you find the following information helpful.
John
Travel Buddy $190.00 pick up.
For delivery please add
$15 freight for Vic, Tas, NSW, S.A.
$25 freight for QLD, N.T. W.A.
Direct deposits
Bendigo Bank
BSB 633-000
ACC 101104370
Credit card
Phone with details to Crystalair to number below
Cheques made payable to Crystalair/Travel Buddy
Shed 2
94 Nolan St
Cheers,
Sheba.
Thanks Sheba.. he replied to my email as well.
Hmmm... I don't think I could justify six times the price of the Dick Smith item, especially in my circustances where space is a premium and we'll probably never need to cater for more than the two of us.
I'll be off to DS today to buy one before they go "off special"
regds FR
Welcome Clyde, and thanks for the Website.
Cheers,
Sheba.
Camel pie's are nice
