Independent Senetor Nick Xenophonhas has offered his legal firms services for free of charge to the Brighton Caravan Park residents to represent them in the battle going on regarding the council wanting the people to move out from living there in there park homes .
The council has plans to erect new up market cabins (20 ) twelve where these people live.Some have spent over $120.000 on some of these places.
There is also plans for twelve new eco type tents and an up grade to the kiosk.
Would I ever buy a park home /retirement home in a caravan park ,not on your sweet Nelly after reading all this.
This is not a private owner doing this to these people,this is their own local council.
Helena said
01:37 PM Jul 10, 2013
I really don't think they stand much chance of staying there as it happened at Christies Beach a few years ago and people had been living there permanently for years. Like you Herbie wouldn't even think about it. Helena.
Wombat 280 said
05:47 PM Jul 10, 2013
It's so called progress from a business perspective. I night in a cabin drags in $160 PN a powered site drags in $30.00 PN . None of these parks ever set out with a business plan to be a community charity . With residents having land rental costs of around $5000-6000 per year to live on a block of land they will never own and controlled by life style rules dictated by others , I fail to see the attraction of living in a residential park .
GaryKelly said
06:43 PM Jul 10, 2013
Food for thought. I have a bro and sis in law living in a "mobile" home in a residential park south of Newcastle. They own the home but not the land, for which they pay $100 a week rental. So far so good. I think it would be safer and cheaper to live in a caravan that could easily be moved to another park if the rules changed.
NeilandRaine said
07:25 PM Jul 10, 2013
The magic part of this is "The Council". Look at Lake Macquarie and Wyong Shire council parks, they have been and allowed to make any changes they want.
If you are a private operator it is virtually impossible to get permission to change the colour of the toilet doors.
The law to protecting owners of onsite accommodation has gone way to far. I know of a case a bloke got drunk every night and wanted to fight someone different.
It took 4 months to move him out thanks to the tribunals
Tomzys said
03:45 AM Jul 12, 2013
Heard the Gawler CP in SA want to get rid of the perm residents I believe thats owned by the Council.I by pass these CP
Golddetectornomad said
10:08 AM Jul 13, 2013
When I was involved with selling Caravan Parks the first hint there is to be a sale/re-development/closure was when the "permanent" residents received notices to vacate usually about 6 months in advance to try and keep it all as low key as possible, excepting of course for those folk who rightly expected they were "permanents" when they had occupied their sites for many years and invariably capitalised the site they don't actually own or even have Licence to Occupy . A Licence to Occupy would at least give a measure of protection. To the potential Developer these "permanents" represent a real problem and they invariably try and get round any Residential Status that might have been attached under long occupancy of the site, further compounded by previous owners invariably referring to these sites/occupiers as "permanents" to the occupiers themselves for a long period.... Well prior to any re-development hand being shown the appointed new Managers were invariably advised to refer to these areas as "temporary resident sections"........ The critical point if considering "purchasing" in one of these CP's is any Licence to Occupy Agreement...i.e. how long granted, how are rental increases determined, is the 'Licence to Occupy' registered in any way. Do occupiers/purchases retain these rights if ownership changes. The greater your capital investment in the "dwelling" the greater your risk you will have to accept whatever Management deems is prudent usually in their interests and not yours. Always seek your own Independent Legal advice and take copy of any proposed Agreement before proceeding. After many years as a Bank Manager and Certified Business Sale Manager and Registered Land Agent/Mortgage Broker mainly based in S.A...I personally would never entertain the idea of "purchasing" anything in a Caravan Park per se.....Strata Titles,Company Shares, or Community Titles in Residential Parks are not what I am referring to, I am referring to the so called ""Mobile Homes" with various often elaborate Annexes in Caravan Parks...... As one wry Developer who was attempting to get rid of ""permanents" in a CP he had purchased to develop as a Residential Estate in prime position on the Sea foreshore put to me without the slightest hint of compassion for those affected....."You go in on wheels and you go out on wheels"....... It can be heart breaking to those who had hoped to enjoy their later, and most vulnerable years, in a site they had enjoyed for many years alwys paying their "rentals" and trusting that they would be "looked after'...........but when Ownership changes...............you may find you have little or no control over your future...............just my considered thoughts based on my own Business experiences............................... Hoo Roo.
P.S. The former Evanston Gardens Caravan Park in Gawler long ago changed by osmosis from a conventional travellers Caravan Park to a substantial Mobile Home Residential site with I believe not one overnight Van site now offered.....happening in other places as well.......come on farmers set up secure fenced sites with all weather access adjacent to all Towns and City's throughout this great Land, Australia, and to hell with the uncertainty's offered by Big Business Ownerships.......Fully self contained rigs no longer require elaborate and often over capitalised facilities offered by CP's.....its not rocket science.....you just need to lobby respective Councils with the needs of a new and ever increasing demographic group "...travelling Grey Nomads"....
-- Edited by Golddetectornomad on Saturday 13th of July 2013 10:16:45 AM
Roving-Dutchy said
11:38 PM Jul 13, 2013
I believe that our local council Wyong Shire was forced by the State government to change their parks from mainly holiday permanents to allocating much larger area for tourists, some of these holiday permanents have been in the family for generations and can no longer be sold to anyone that is not already an owner in the park and cannot be passed on to another family member when the present lessee dies.
The holiday permanents were usually in prime positions in the park and were usually occupied only at Christmas and Easter in most cases these permanents have been moved to the back of the parks and the prime sites are now available for tourists. This seems to be a change for the better.
Cheers
David
Cruising Granny said
12:39 AM Jul 14, 2013
I prefer the lifestyle of a van park to the 'burbs. At least I know who my neighbours are and we look after each other. And if they misbehave, they're out.
In the 'burbs you have no idea who your neighbours REALLY are, who their visitors are, unless you choose to have a chat. Hmmmm....
The park I live in north of Adelaide is intending to expand to include cabin park facilities. They no longer accommodate "permanents", but we are long-termers.
The park at Evanston Gardens was Levi Park, and I had intentions of setting my van up there when I returned to SA, but the cabins had taken over.
Park owners might charge $140 per night for a cabin, but the overheads are much higher. First they have to purchase and move the cabins in, set them up with power and plumbing. Furniture is next, and then there is cleaning and maintenance.
While it might seem like "slow money", the low maintenance and overheads of a modern park are much easier to provide.
I've stayed in parks where no one seems to care about anything but the entrance fee.
I stayed in a park in Carnarvon where they swept the pad before you set up camp, even before you arrived.
The Brighton Park has been a issue for a long time, but I think ultimately, the Council will win, if that's what you call it.
I feel for the tenants who have made the park their home, made friends, and invested in their "camp". Will they be compensated to relocate?
Will the Council buy them out? I doubt it.
The only option for these people, some of them elderly, will be state housing units, of which there are currently not enough.
It's an ugly situation to put these people in by bullying them out of their homes and neighbourhood.
Independent Senetor Nick Xenophonhas has offered his legal firms services for free of charge to the Brighton Caravan Park residents to represent them in the battle going on regarding the council wanting the people to move out from living there in there park homes .
The council has plans to erect new up market cabins (20 ) twelve where these people live.Some have spent over $120.000 on some of these places.
There is also plans for twelve new eco type tents and an up grade to the kiosk.
Would I ever buy a park home /retirement home in a caravan park ,not on your sweet Nelly after reading all this.
This is not a private owner doing this to these people,this is their own local council.
If you are a private operator it is virtually impossible to get permission to change the colour of the toilet doors.
The law to protecting owners of onsite accommodation has gone way to far. I know of a case a bloke got drunk every night and wanted to fight someone different.
It took 4 months to move him out thanks to the tribunals
When I was involved with selling Caravan Parks the first hint there is to be a sale/re-development/closure was when the "permanent" residents received notices to vacate usually about 6 months in advance to try and keep it all as low key as possible, excepting of course for those folk who rightly expected they were "permanents" when they had occupied their sites for many years and invariably capitalised the site they don't actually own or even have Licence to Occupy . A Licence to Occupy would at least give a measure of protection. To the potential Developer these "permanents" represent a real problem and they invariably try and get round any Residential Status that might have been attached under long occupancy of the site, further compounded by previous owners invariably referring to these sites/occupiers as "permanents" to the occupiers themselves for a long period.... Well prior to any re-development hand being shown the appointed new Managers were invariably advised to refer to these areas as "temporary resident sections"........
The critical point if considering "purchasing" in one of these CP's is any Licence to Occupy Agreement...i.e. how long granted, how are rental increases determined, is the 'Licence to Occupy' registered in any way. Do occupiers/purchases retain these rights if ownership changes. The greater your capital investment in the "dwelling" the greater your risk you will have to accept whatever Management deems is prudent usually in their interests and not yours.
Always seek your own Independent Legal advice and take copy of any proposed Agreement before proceeding.
After many years as a Bank Manager and Certified Business Sale Manager and Registered Land Agent/Mortgage Broker mainly based in S.A...I personally would never entertain the idea of "purchasing" anything in a Caravan Park per se.....Strata Titles,Company Shares, or Community Titles in Residential Parks are not what I am referring to, I am referring to the so called ""Mobile Homes" with various often elaborate Annexes in Caravan Parks......
As one wry Developer who was attempting to get rid of ""permanents" in a CP he had purchased to develop as a Residential Estate in prime position on the Sea foreshore put to me without the slightest hint of compassion for those affected....."You go in on wheels and you go out on wheels".......
It can be heart breaking to those who had hoped to enjoy their later, and most vulnerable years, in a site they had enjoyed for many years alwys paying their "rentals" and trusting that they would be "looked after'...........but when Ownership changes...............you may find you have little or no control over your future...............just my considered thoughts based on my own Business experiences...............................
Hoo Roo.
P.S. The former Evanston Gardens Caravan Park in Gawler long ago changed by osmosis from a conventional travellers Caravan Park to a substantial Mobile Home Residential site with I believe not one overnight Van site now offered.....happening in other places as well.......come on farmers set up secure fenced sites with all weather access adjacent to all Towns and City's throughout this great Land, Australia, and to hell with the uncertainty's offered by Big Business Ownerships.......Fully self contained rigs no longer require elaborate and often over capitalised facilities offered by CP's.....its not rocket science.....you just need to lobby respective Councils with the needs of a new and ever increasing demographic group "...travelling Grey Nomads"....
-- Edited by Golddetectornomad on Saturday 13th of July 2013 10:16:45 AM
I believe that our local council Wyong Shire was forced by the State government to change their parks from mainly holiday permanents to allocating much larger area for tourists, some of these holiday permanents have been in the family for generations and can no longer be sold to anyone that is not already an owner in the park and cannot be passed on to another family member when the present lessee dies.
The holiday permanents were usually in prime positions in the park and were usually occupied only at Christmas and Easter in most cases these permanents have been moved to the back of the parks and the prime sites are now available for tourists. This seems to be a change for the better.
Cheers
David
In the 'burbs you have no idea who your neighbours REALLY are, who their visitors are, unless you choose to have a chat. Hmmmm....
The park I live in north of Adelaide is intending to expand to include cabin park facilities. They no longer accommodate "permanents", but we are long-termers.
The park at Evanston Gardens was Levi Park, and I had intentions of setting my van up there when I returned to SA, but the cabins had taken over.
Park owners might charge $140 per night for a cabin, but the overheads are much higher. First they have to purchase and move the cabins in, set them up with power and plumbing. Furniture is next, and then there is cleaning and maintenance.
While it might seem like "slow money", the low maintenance and overheads of a modern park are much easier to provide.
I've stayed in parks where no one seems to care about anything but the entrance fee.
I stayed in a park in Carnarvon where they swept the pad before you set up camp, even before you arrived.
The Brighton Park has been a issue for a long time, but I think ultimately, the Council will win, if that's what you call it.
I feel for the tenants who have made the park their home, made friends, and invested in their "camp". Will they be compensated to relocate?
Will the Council buy them out? I doubt it.
The only option for these people, some of them elderly, will be state housing units, of which there are currently not enough.
It's an ugly situation to put these people in by bullying them out of their homes and neighbourhood.